00:00:00 --- log: started forth/05.02.20 00:31:16 --- quit: asymptote ("Free the mallocs!") 01:29:11 --- join: Serg[GPRS] (~z@193.201.231.126) joined #forth 01:30:33 --- join: qFox (C00K13S@82-169-140-229-mx.xdsl.tiscali.nl) joined #forth 01:33:08 hi ! 01:33:18 * Serg[GPRS] is begging for help in #xml 01:33:31 what sort of help 01:33:57 i got obscure error w/ concat() 01:34:32

can't find the document being indexed 01:34:44 but gives the right name - 'filename.xml' 01:35:26 syntax matches examples, file surely exists and can be found by full name w/o concat() 01:35:32 where am i wrong ? 01:36:58 what does document(filename.xml) do ? 01:37:59 it extracts header from linked document, for the purpose of (hierarchic) indexing 01:38:10 ok 01:38:24 it already worked w/ full names in index files, but ... 01:38:27 so you're trying to select="(header)/html/h" ? 01:39:23 actually i don't know anythign about xml, just trying to point out where it might look odd ;) 01:39:34 i want '.xml' extension for inclusion of XML src and '.htm' for site generated output, so i truncated .ext and try to concat() the appropriate ones 01:39:37 fresh & ignorant eyes here ;) 01:40:09 i'm trying to select _header_of_another_file_ 01:40:28 and this worked by full name 01:40:32 header contains a file name? 01:40:37 but concat() messed things up 01:40:59 no ! see: 01:41:38 in 'index.xml', we have: ... 01:42:33 in 'myarticle.xml' we have: The bright pathetic header

... text ...

01:43:28 while generating 'index.htm' out of 'index.xml', i need the following: The bright pathetic header 01:43:39 got it ? 01:44:00 k 01:44:41 i can do this w/ fullname (myarticle.xml), but i need to change extension in output 'index.htm' !! 01:46:51 #xml is all asleep, dhamn ! 01:50:02 and my book is at work :(( 01:56:08 the only way i found is to rename my .xml to .htm , but this is ugly and misleading to an xtreme 01:57:38 heh, got to postpone it till i'll have my b00k and g00d inet link 02:27:22 --- join: samc (~sam@203-114-131-54.inspire.net.nz) joined #forth 02:45:33 * Serg[GPRS] bails out to play a little ... 02:45:41 --- quit: Serg[GPRS] ("bails out to play a little ...") 03:08:04 --- mode: ChanServ set +o thinfu 03:23:00 --- join: samc_ (~sam@203-114-131-150.inspire.net.nz) joined #forth 03:25:06 --- quit: saon (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03:30:20 --- quit: samc (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 03:35:33 --- nick: samc_ -> samc 03:37:27 --- join: saon (1000@c-24-129-90-197.se.client2.attbi.com) joined #forth 04:05:46 --- quit: samc (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 05:23:48 --- quit: saon (Remote closed the connection) 05:52:28 --- join: saon (1000@c-24-129-90-197.se.client2.attbi.com) joined #forth 08:23:37 hello folks! 08:24:02 g'morn SeaForth 09:44:04 hi everyone 10:46:47 --- join: Sonarman (~snofs@adsl-67-113-235-53.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) joined #forth 10:50:21 --- join: Herkamire (~jason@h000094d30ba2.ne.client2.attbi.com) joined #forth 10:50:22 --- mode: ChanServ set +o Herkamire 10:51:26 --- join: Serg[GPRS] (~z@193.201.231.126) joined #forth 10:51:49 re 10:52:03 Hi Serg[GPRS] 10:54:41 * Serg[GPRS] has a run of bad luck - useless or dead purchases, tooth abscess ... 10:54:56 :( 10:56:37 pessimistic joke: 10:57:05 Our life is like zebra - white stripe, black stripe ... tail :)) 10:58:25 what are you working on now ? 10:58:36 me - on XML offline web engine 10:59:40 retroforth 8.0 11:00:08 and some rebel articles 11:00:18 aha 11:00:43 maybe i gotta get it and try - someone here said it can call any DLL/SO 11:00:57 .so's aren't supported in 8.0 yet 11:01:22 (I'm still working on getting libdl.so to cooperate with my new FFI) 11:01:34 .dll's are supported easily though 11:02:54 right, because FFI was designed for dll's first ;) 11:03:09 i would like to add zip archive access, but is either too busy or too exhausted to code alot 11:05:01 thinfu: that's because Windows has a slightly cleaner API for loading dynamic libraries 11:05:49 hehe... Win is most scrutinized for obscure/undocumented API 11:09:53 I only use a couple of the API's in retroforth 11:10:26 All of which are well documented, even if the MSDN docs are a bit misleading 11:13:53 couple? 11:14:33 there's multiple API's to dlls? 11:15:26 There are several ways to load a DLL into your apps address space, not all of which work on all versions of Windows 11:16:29 ah i see 11:16:31 bbs; getting food :) 11:40:57 --- quit: Serg[GPRS] () 11:45:48 back 11:49:26 front :) 11:49:29 hello crc :) 11:49:37 front? 11:49:48 opposite of back? 11:49:58 i know, but why did you say it? 11:49:58 * Raystm2 contrarian? 11:50:04 oh 11:50:05 i see 11:50:06 lol 11:50:14 contrarianism is the only way to go :) 11:50:19 front also = attention in a sales crew. 11:50:41 or to move things to the edge of the shelf in a store. 11:50:50 where the label is showing. 11:51:02 Hi Ray 11:51:18 or to ask for the next bell boy in a hotel. 11:51:35 Howdy, crc I see your very busy with email right now :) 11:51:57 Ron and Helmar are just pounding ya :) 11:52:38 * thinfu is still researching & studying & planning the 200GB hdd 11:52:42 been doing it since friday night lol 11:52:52 :) 11:52:53 hehe 11:52:55 at least i've gotten the bios stuff out of the way 11:53:02 still figuring out the multibooting 11:53:09 sharing partitions efficiently 11:53:10 etc 11:53:32 you'll be glad you did this the "long" way i'm sure. 11:53:37 :) 11:53:53 yup 11:54:13 Yup ;) 11:54:58 and when your done your suggestions will hold that much more credibility. 11:55:53 talking to me? 11:56:58 * crc doubts that they will listen to me 11:57:06 btw i'm still debating whether or not i should even install win98.. if i do, it forces me to make the anime partition 136MB minus the size of the win98 partition 11:57:14 what do you guys think? 11:57:28 should i install win98? 11:57:40 Install Win98 under Win4Lin or something like that :) 11:58:29 crc, um, then the speed would be as slow as linux+windows instead of just windowss.. right? 11:58:39 my comp is PII 350mhz with 256mb ram.. 11:58:59 the main reason i guess i sort of want to install win98 is because i'm familiar with that.. 11:59:03 you need a stat that shows the number of potential "Customers" your software development will benifit by the os they use. 11:59:26 Win4Lin is supposed to be as fast as running it natively 11:59:26 MOL (mac on linux) supposedly runs very close to full speed 11:59:31 faster in some cases 12:00:10 so whats win4lin? is that running the os or is that more like wine? 12:00:32 running the OS in parallel to Linux 12:01:01 You actually *install* the real Win98 system before you can run it 12:02:01 ohhh 12:02:33 that doesn't fix the 136GB issue tho ;) 12:02:40 that just makes it more convenient thats all 12:02:44 hmm 12:03:03 unless it has support to be able to recognize linux partitions? 12:03:54 I think it enables you to install Win98 on a Linux partition 12:06:01 dang 12:06:05 this is too exciting 12:06:09 * thinfu busy researching! 12:06:25 * Raystm2 likes exciting things. 12:09:55 hmm 12:10:38 apparently neither win4lin or vmware handle directx/directdraw (looking at an old article tho).. 12:10:51 which would rule out playing computer games to an extent.. 12:12:14 not that i really play computer games.. but its nice to have the choice ;) 12:13:02 win4lin 5.0 supports directx 12:15:29 no you want to be able to play computer games, How else are you gonna test the max abilities of your system. 12:19:18 heh 12:19:32 games these days only test your videocard ;) 12:20:03 :) 12:20:07 ok 12:41:59 heh... I don't know how much fun it is to test the abilities of a PII 350Mhz 12:42:26 --- part: KB1FYR left #forth 12:42:40 a pile 12:42:45 nice :) 12:42:57 what sort of cool abilities does it have? 12:43:05 heh no idea 12:43:30 haven't tested them yet? 12:43:33 i was being sort of tongue in cheek by saying "a pile" 12:43:43 hehe 12:44:31 well the most i've really done with this comp is running firefox, p2p programs, various xterms, and mplayer all at once.. 12:46:17 what p2p stuff? 12:46:26 the only p2p I've gotten to work well is gtk-gnutella 12:47:40 xmule & bittorrent.. 12:48:02 i installed some other p2p stuff but they didn't work 12:48:31 & i was too lazy to figure out waht was wrong with tehm 12:53:14 --- join: KB1FYR (~Alex@196-220.suscom-maine.net) joined #forth 13:15:09 hmm 13:16:08 looks like win4lin supports directx 9.0 but doesn't handle hardware 2d/3d acceleration, so games that rely on that can't run 13:16:21 but win4lin can run stuff like wmplayer, real, etc 13:17:29 i would hope that the games that can't run are more like FPS games like unreal tournament etc 13:17:42 and that i can actually run games like heros of might and magic, or age of wonders.. 13:20:50 --- join: TheBlueWizard (TheBlueWiz@modem-055.nyc-tc03b.FCC.NET) joined #forth 13:22:41 --- quit: saon ("Leaving") 13:35:20 --- quit: TheBlueWizard (Nick collision from services.) 13:35:43 --- join: TheBlueWizard (TheBlueWiz@modem-003.nyc-tc03b.FCC.NET) joined #forth 13:45:57 --- join: tathi (~josh@pcp01375108pcs.milfrd01.pa.comcast.net) joined #forth 13:53:24 --- quit: Sonarman ("leaving") 14:08:22 --- join: Sonarman (~snofs@adsl-64-171-254-105.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) joined #forth 14:24:20 --- join: saon (1000@c-24-129-90-197.se.client2.attbi.com) joined #forth 14:28:31 --- quit: Sonarman ("leaving") 14:43:15 --- quit: TheBlueWizard (Nick collision from services.) 14:43:34 --- join: TheBlueWizard (TheBlueWiz@modem-023.nyc-tc03b.FCC.NET) joined #forth 14:44:34 --- join: hyrax (~das@adsl-64-219-100-33.dsl.lgvwtx.swbell.net) joined #forth 14:56:11 --- quit: TheBlueWizard (Nick collision from services.) 14:56:30 --- join: TheBlueWizard (TheBlueWiz@modem-089.nyc-tc03a.FCC.NET) joined #forth 15:02:18 --- quit: qFox ("this quit is sponsored by somebody!") 15:53:03 --- quit: SeaForth ("Leaving") 15:53:44 --- join: SeaForth (~SeaForth@c-24-1-126-202.client.comcast.net) joined #forth 16:21:23 --- part: TheBlueWizard left #forth 16:29:10 --- join: Azure_Ag (azure@h-66-167-211-38.sfldmidn.dynamic.covad.net) joined #forth 16:34:22 --- quit: saon (Remote closed the connection) 17:00:41 --- join: saon (1000@c-24-129-90-197.se.client2.attbi.com) joined #forth 17:30:10 --- quit: saon ("Lost terminal") 17:31:57 --- quit: crc ("I was using TinyIRC! Visit http://www.tinyirc.net/ for more information.") 17:33:41 --- join: crc (~crc@pool-70-20-220-121.phil.east.verizon.net) joined #forth 17:33:41 --- mode: ChanServ set +o crc 17:34:18 --- join: saon (1000@c-24-129-90-197.se.client2.attbi.com) joined #forth 17:34:31 --- quit: saon (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 17:34:54 --- join: saon (1000@c-24-129-90-197.se.client2.attbi.com) joined #forth 17:55:27 --- quit: I440r ("Leaving") 18:05:53 --- join: rsync (~pavel@CPE000c41aac435-CM00111ae4f4cc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #forth 18:36:52 --- join: TheBlueWizard (TheBlueWiz@modem-143.nyc-tc03a.FCC.NET) joined #forth 18:39:49 --- quit: saon ("Lost terminal") 18:51:07 --- part: TheBlueWizard left #forth 18:58:07 --- join: saon (1000@c-24-129-90-197.se.client2.attbi.com) joined #forth 19:22:38 anyone here that makes jsforth ? 19:25:01 zoly is the author of jsforth 19:25:08 ok 19:25:17 thanks. 19:32:51 np 19:41:54 --- join: zol1 (~l@ppp-62-245-209-129.mnet-online.de) joined #forth 19:42:02 here's zoly :) 19:42:05 hi 19:42:25 Frek eas just asking about jsforth ~20 minutes ago 19:42:28 was even 19:42:28 crc, you can get the blk source files easier on your machine now 19:42:47 i made a bash script, which breaks the sources from one file into blocks 19:42:57 http://forthfreak.net/webdrive/sources 19:43:09 http://forthfreak.net/webdrive/make 19:43:29 make, when executed, takes sources, and makes blk0 blk1 blk2 .. from it 19:45:07 --- quit: tathi ("leaving") 19:45:14 jsforth looks for them in directory webdrive 19:45:35 those are the web drive blocks (mapped to blk16 ... now) 19:46:36 only "trick" about the sources is the delimiter line, consisting from 64 dashes, used a block seperator. 19:47:19 cool 19:48:35 i think you may want to update your version, it is way old ... 19:48:43 no see, no allocate/free and the like ... 19:49:22 I'll update in the morning 19:49:33 * crc has to go to bed in a few minutes 19:50:35 ah, right. i've seen frek trying it out 19:51:10 safari didn't work that well, right ? 19:53:01 --- quit: SeaForth (Remote closed the connection) 19:59:54 g.w.bush = pothead ? 20:00:31 Unlikely. 20:00:47 looks like he admitted to ise of marihuana 20:00:50 use 20:01:52 He might HAVE used it. I doubt if he does anymore. 20:01:59 from talks with bush, between 1998 and 2000 20:02:01 taped 20:02:03 He'd be more calm and generally chill. 20:03:29 doesn't mean that the only drug he uses/used 20:04:03 Well, from a more practical standpoint, I think he switched drugs from marijuana and cocaine to religion and power. 20:04:16 Not him only. I think power is just as bad as cocaine whenever anyone takes it. 20:04:59 clinton smoked, gore admitted, bush now too ... what the point of anti-drugs laws ? 20:05:22 ehm , clinton didn't inhale :) 20:05:35 To give aging politicians something to blame the mistakes they made in their youth on? 20:06:01 right, he can blame his dad 20:06:40 article in german paper says "stoned in texas" *g* 20:07:06 * Azure_Ag shrugs, "Anyway, even though I don't much care for marijuana, I'm all in favour of getting rid of drug laws.' 20:07:46 what about drugs which endanger others, not only the consumer ? 20:07:53 Antibiotics? 20:08:02 (as result of behavioural changes ofthe consumer) 20:08:21 I'm in favour of regulating them to some degree, only because we don't need to help along natural selection of microbial beasties that make our lives nasty and short. 20:08:56 PCP is the only one that poses a real danger above and beyond those of intoxication that I'm aware of. And, I don't have enough information about it. 20:09:55 use of crack or some amphetamines can change behaviour of the consumer in such a way that he can endanger other people 20:10:41 They might, I'm not as familair with them. 20:10:48 So, I can't say anything about them. 20:11:44 but you did, by saying "in favor of getting rid of drugs law" 20:13:00 I am in favour of getting rid f current drug laws. However, in the case of some things that can harm others (such as antibiotics) I'd be in favour of making them prescription only. Their misuse poses a threat to the community as a whole. 20:13:27 Similarly, if I were to look into PCP or crack or some amphetamines and discover that their use could cause a threat to the community as a whole, I'd be in favour of making them prescription-only. 20:13:31 use in controlled environments only ? 20:13:35 Or not used at all, for that matter. 20:14:07 If someone can figure out how to take PCP without endanginer others, then I'm all for letting him do it. 20:14:24 fair enough 20:14:27 Heck, if someone knows exactly what they're going into and volunteers to be around someone taking something dangerous, I wouldn't mind letting them do it, either. 20:15:02 However, I don't know how much, say, PCP lives up to its reputation. I get the impression a relatively small number of gruesome acts gave it its current spectre. 20:15:24 Even if it were legal, they'd probably harm fewer people than, say, drunk driving. 20:15:53 Not to say that either one of those is a desirable state of things. 20:15:59 But, I'd rather keep it in perspective. 20:16:18 all drugs seem to modify a person's personality to some extent 20:16:21 for example coffee 20:16:26 all the worker bees drink coffee 20:16:32 if ya know what i mean 20:16:58 You have a point. 20:17:05 I'm not bothered with modifying peoples' personalities, though. 20:17:12 yeah 20:17:14 Presumably, people WANT their personalities modified, or they wouldn't be taking LSD. 20:17:15 its a choice 20:17:19 yup 20:17:39 However, I'd just prefer to keep them from modifying other peoples' corporeal existence to an . . . unpleasant degree. 20:17:57 perhaps it would be better to just throw a person in jail if they've used some drug like PCP and actually tried to hurt someone else 20:18:19 It might be. It's consistent with how we treat drunk driving. 20:18:29 i.e. rather than establishing laws around the drugs, establish laws around actions.. 20:18:37 on the other hand, 20:18:44 an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure :) 20:18:50 so a bit of a tight rope.. 20:18:57 Well, we could require it to be used in controlled environments. 20:19:10 yeah true 20:19:12 But, to be consistent with that, we'd have to require alcohol/marijuana users to have breathalyzer ignitions installed. 20:21:35 in one sci fi book i read the politican arranged for major drug busts against crime rings, and then legalized drugs, and purified the stockpile of drugs to make it safer, and then sold it back to the ppl, and used the money to have rehab clinics and educate people about drugs (discourage them).. 20:21:44 it was an interesting idea sorta.. 20:22:52 I like the idea, myself. 20:22:58 Some I'm more interested in discouraging than others. . . 20:23:25 But, the worst thing about the black market is the high prices and low quality. If you could get a week's worth of heroin from the corner store for $10 I doubt if you'd have as much drug related crime. 20:23:25 i think it all boils down to education & freedom.. 20:23:39 its too arrogant to attempt to control people 20:23:45 doesn't show any respect for them 20:24:06 * Azure_Ag chuckles 20:24:19 You've a point, though. . . . 20:24:31 i'm very libertarian ;) 20:24:38 I am, sometimes ;) 20:24:48 I alternate. 20:24:52 yeah 20:25:08 Occasionally I just get annoyed at this unruly, rowdy bunch and want to see it organized into a clean, efficient, machine. 20:25:44 heh yeah 20:25:46 --- join: SeaForth (~SeaForth@c-24-1-126-202.client.comcast.net) joined #forth 20:25:58 the euphemism for "clean, efficient, machine" is society 20:26:00 ;) 20:26:39 Society is neither clean nor efficient. 20:27:00 true 20:27:05 Society is madness institutionalized and packaged up and stuffed into the head of the young. 20:27:08 * Azure_Ag smiles 20:27:10 One of my favorite quotes: 20:27:42 "Morons are manufactured, geniuses happen by accident. They're just normal humans who by accident of birth or circumstance escaped the worst damages of education.' 20:28:34 I should stop, we're going to get yelled at if we don't go back to the glorious Forth. 20:29:12 heh 20:30:36 --- nick: zol1 -> zoly 20:32:06 has anyone a clean method handy to reconstruct IF ELSE THEN BEGIN WHILE UNTIL REPEAT from branch and 0branch ? 20:33:26 one of my favorite quotes: 20:33:33 "any fool can be complicated, but it takes a genius to be simple" 20:37:52 Not handy. 20:38:45 * crc doesn't use branch or 0branch 21:04:57 goodnight 21:10:31 well put thinfu :) 21:11:54 Sleep well. 21:26:26 --- part: zoly left #forth 21:29:17 --- join: Sonarman (~snofs@adsl-63-196-0-226.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) joined #forth 21:43:56 --- join: fridge (~Jim@CommSecureAustPtyLtd.sb1.optus.net.au) joined #forth 21:45:19 --- quit: Sonarman ("leaving") 22:54:43 --- quit: Azure_Ag ("leaving") 22:56:07 --- quit: SeaForth (Remote closed the connection) 23:27:59 --- quit: Herkamire (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/05.02.20