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03:12:33 <snowrichard> hi
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09:37:45 <Serg[GPRS]> hi !
09:38:06 <robert> Hi :)
09:38:59 <Serg[GPRS]> now i got answered 2 of my XML questions ;)) ready to make 2nd version of my XML engine
09:41:15 <Serg[GPRS]> how are your projects ?
09:42:36 <robert> Coding on the C64 game, working at a 1-bit CPU ;)
09:43:26 <Serg[GPRS]> 1bit ? how so ?
09:44:25 <Serg[GPRS]> and what kind of game ?
09:45:33 <robert> Playing around with generic array logic chips
09:45:39 <robert> Moon lander fight ;I
09:55:08 <Serg[GPRS]> i got 2 probable dates for weekend - one girl from online dating, one - from old work
10:00:17 <Serg[GPRS]> u have real C64 ?
10:00:41 <robert> Just a C128D
10:02:05 <Serg[GPRS]> nice. here it is almost unknown, Z80 boomed
10:02:32 <robert> Yeah, I heard so
10:02:57 <robert> Too bad, considering the 6502 is a bit more efficient. :)
10:03:01 <Serg[GPRS]> and Amiga, but this is diff category
10:03:17 <robert> I have a semi-broken A500
10:03:42 <Serg[GPRS]> here most Z80 are/were kits, xtreme cheap
10:04:13 <Serg[GPRS]> and even chips were produced pirately
10:04:56 <robert> :)
10:05:30 <Serg[GPRS]> in time of Z80 impression i thunk of cross-forth, but soon dismissed the idea
10:05:49 <Serg[GPRS]> what about C64 cross-forth ?
10:06:29 <robert> I have a feeling that would be rather inefficient.
10:06:40 <robert> And on a C64 you can't really afford wasting many cycles ;)
10:06:47 <Serg[GPRS]> or, more correct, Forth-derived lo-level language, coz i did not plan interpreter at target box
10:08:54 <Serg[GPRS]> no-no, native-code compiler, not threaded
10:10:43 <robert> I think that could get hard.
10:10:59 <robert> Considering you have 3 8-bit registers to work with.
10:12:31 <Serg[GPRS]> what is instruction set ? indirections, auto-increment ?
10:15:04 <robert> http://www.6502.org/tutorials/6502opcodes.html
10:15:10 <robert> Small reference.
10:15:56 <Serg[GPRS]> nah, xpensive bytes !
10:17:53 <robert> Oh, right
10:18:02 <robert> You can do indirect addressing from the zero page
10:18:22 <robert> No auto-increment/decrement modes.
10:18:34 <robert> Two 8-bit index pointers
10:18:56 <robert> Instructions are between 2 and 7 clock cycles long, as opposed to the z80 4 - 15 (or something)
10:18:58 <Serg[GPRS]> somewhere i got tutors on making native forths for oldies. need  ?
10:19:03 <Serg[GPRS]> ok
10:19:12 <robert> Not really, no.
10:30:59 * Serg[GPRS] squirreled my English dictionary, dhamn !
10:31:27 <Serg[GPRS]> misplace it and can't recall where ;((
10:32:42 * robert uses dict
10:34:02 <Serg[GPRS]> did i tell i bought a new SLR camera w/ Pentax bayonet ?
10:34:42 <robert> Perhaps, but I have no idea what that means :)
10:35:18 <Serg[GPRS]> SLR is jump-mirror thingie, the most popular camera type nowdays
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10:38:25 <robert> Hi
10:54:35 * Serg[GPRS] fa11s as133p
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12:33:50 <robert> Hi qFox 
12:56:19 <qFox> hey robert
12:56:25 <qFox> been a while, where are you hiding out?
12:58:18 <robert> Under my bed, waiting for better times.
12:58:19 <robert> You?
12:59:17 <qFox> study mainly
12:59:35 <qFox> plus i dont have many ties on irc anymore lately
12:59:47 <qFox> have little time for forth, or anything else for that matter
13:00:12 <qFox> and starting mirc up is more a thing for the heck of it, then for actual communication
13:00:13 <qFox> :)
13:00:14 <robert> Poor qFox 
13:00:24 <qFox> how's your study going?
13:00:50 <robert> Something is wrong. Can't put my finger on it, but it feels like I shouldn't be doing nothing.
13:01:18 <qFox> wait, didnt you start some kinda school this year?
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13:01:33 <qFox> well, "schoolyear" :)
13:01:41 <robert> Yeah, university.
13:01:53 <qFox> but you dropped out?
13:02:04 <robert> No
13:02:08 <qFox> but...
13:02:10 <robert> That's the thing
13:02:22 <robert> I did NOT drop out, and I'm not doing much either.
13:03:07 <qFox> and how's it going so far? :)
13:04:02 <robert> Fine
13:04:28 <qFox> really? thats good then
13:05:10 <qFox> yet it doesnt exactly sound like you feel at ease there
13:05:34 <robert> I do, compared to other places.
13:05:48 <qFox> k
13:06:06 <robert> :)
13:06:17 <qFox> and how are you doing on forth terms? :)
13:06:41 <robert> Not doing much Forth, really. Mostly electronics and C64.
13:07:00 <qFox> :)
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13:07:06 <robert> H9
13:07:08 <robert> Hi
13:07:08 <qFox> i've been learning prolog, sucky language really
13:07:13 <robert> Awww.
13:07:20 <I440r_> cant be worse than delphi
13:07:28 <robert> :D
13:07:31 <qFox> and now learning haskell... not being so much better either, except haskell does have some funny features
13:07:46 <robert> Sssssh!
13:07:52 <robert> The Haskell spies are everywhere.
13:08:00 <qFox> :p
13:08:02 <robert> And they're violent.
13:08:09 <qFox> but hey btw
13:08:15 <qFox> what type of language is forth anyways
13:08:17 <qFox> i thought it was functional
13:09:41 <tathi> I haven't seen a clear definition of "functional language", but I tend to associate it with things like Haskell
13:09:45 <robert> Not really.
13:09:57 <tathi> where you're more describing the results you want than the process by which you get results.
13:10:20 <tathi> I'd say Forth was a fairly straightforward imperative language.
13:11:13 <qFox> still imperative?
13:11:15 <qFox> wokeuj...
13:13:00 <tathi> http://www.cs.nott.ac.uk/~gmh/faq.html#functional-languages
13:20:05 <qFox> its just that the teacher was listing a few languages (most of my classmates are quite computer-illiterates and havent coded anything, except prolog the last semester) and listed lisp as functional
13:20:25 <qFox> and since everybody kept saying lisp is like forth, and forth has ... well its own style, i just figured... wrong :p
13:23:33 <tathi> lisp is kind of in-between, IMO.
13:26:29 <tathi> but there really doesn't seem to be a definitive definition of "functional programming language", so... :)
13:35:27 <Herkamire> tunes.org has this to say:    Functional: The term for a paradigm of programming that originates in the early works about lambda calculus: computations consist in evaluating/expanding structured expressions, rather than executing instructions, as with imperative programming.
13:36:01 <Herkamire> I wouldn't say that forth has "structured expressions".
13:36:07 <Herkamire> I think of forth more as executing instructions
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14:05:38 <robert> Hi
14:06:05 <TheBlueWizard> hiya robert
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15:32:54 <crc> Hi all
15:33:01 <robert> Hi
15:33:05 <robert> And good night. :)
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