00:00:00 --- log: started forth/05.02.11 00:28:42 --- quit: DapperDan () 00:48:40 --- join: DapperDan (~DapperDan@213.94.147.52) joined #forth 01:06:50 --- quit: DapperDan () 01:35:08 --- join: Topaz (~top@sown-86.ecs.soton.ac.uk) joined #forth 02:16:35 --- join: T0paz (~top@sown-85.ecs.soton.ac.uk) joined #forth 02:29:59 --- join: }Topaz{ (~top@cerberus.saywell.net) joined #forth 02:33:24 --- quit: Topaz (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02:40:17 --- quit: saon ("leaving") 02:46:49 --- quit: T0paz (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 02:49:35 --- join: aum (~aum@60-234-138-239.bitstream.orcon.net.nz) joined #forth 02:57:11 --- join: samc_ (~sam@203-114-131-211.inspire.net.nz) joined #forth 03:10:05 --- join: saon (1000@c-24-129-90-197.se.client2.attbi.com) joined #forth 03:10:57 good morning all 03:16:22 --- join: xor7 (~xor7@80.97.121.133) joined #forth 03:19:03 morning (well, just - it's 12:20am here) 03:19:54 hi aum 03:20:00 1:22PM here 03:20:14 --- nick: xor7 -> bbls 03:20:20 ahh, UTC timezone? 03:20:39 GMT+2 afaik 03:21:21 k 03:21:29 how's the Euro winter? 03:21:40 hmm, -30 C degrees 03:21:50 * aum shivers just at the thought 03:22:05 are you from US? 03:22:06 had a heatwave here - most days over 28degC 03:22:13 .au originally 03:22:15 ah 03:22:21 presently in .nz 03:22:25 yo aum 12:23 03:22:30 :) 03:22:31 28dC? that's nice :) 03:22:38 no it aint 03:22:41 why? 03:22:47 it's too hot to do programming 03:22:50 is 28deg C hot? 03:22:50 lol 03:22:57 * aum concurs with samc_ 03:23:07 in the summer i get 35-40 C 03:23:10 too hot and humid, my codecutting turns to shit 03:23:11 to hot for me, it has bee still too 03:23:38 cooler temps - big relief 03:23:47 samc_: you a forth h4x0r? 03:23:56 hrm? dc tells me that 28C is like 82.4F 03:23:59 that's not bad 03:24:15 saon: add 110% humidity, then say that :P 03:24:20 saon how much is -30C in F? 03:24:25 * saon lives in florida 03:24:30 bbls: too fuckin cold! 03:24:53 aum, yes 03:25:00 lol 03:25:02 indeed 03:25:10 -30C is about -22F 03:25:11 aum just 2 weeks ago it was +20C 03:25:31 samc_: haven't seen u here before - do you do much forth? 03:25:34 now this is _rapid_ climate change 03:26:15 I haven't done much recently, though I have in the past 03:27:45 samc_ what flavor? 03:28:25 mops 03:28:57 how is mops? i've seen it once or twice, dunno much about it 03:29:53 * samc_ is not sure how to answer 03:30:07 um, fine, does what I need and is stable 03:31:30 http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.heise.de/ct/Redaktion/cm/foto/images/mops.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.heise.de/ct/Redaktion/cm/foto/pages/mops.htm&h=600&w=800&sz=49&tbnid=L3U_r7Yrzd0J:&tbnh=106&tbnw=141&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dmops%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D&oi=imagesr&start=1 03:31:34 wtf? 03:31:44 i search for mops, and that's the first thing i get 03:32:04 is mops mac-only? 03:32:10 yes 03:33:46 speaking of macs, i have a color classic here in my room that i don't have system 7.1 or 7.3 disks for. anybody know of an os that will install and run on it? 03:34:07 7.3 disks are available for free from the net 03:34:09 you can download 7.5 from apple 03:34:41 i found 7.3 disks, but they're in a format you have to be on a mac and use mac tools to make the disk 03:35:05 or are there tools for linux to do the same thing? 03:36:02 dunno 03:36:49 hmm, search basilisk 2 homepage 03:37:01 there is a link to a tool 03:37:11 that allows you to explore mac disk images afair 03:37:15 are there any decent mac emulators for windoze or linux boxes/ 03:37:16 ? 03:37:22 basilisk 2 is great 03:37:28 is quite complete 03:37:44 it has everything you can expect from a mk68 machine 03:37:50 pearpc is an emulator of ppc 03:37:53 and it runs macos? 03:37:57 and osx? 03:38:03 yes, basilisk runs 7.3 03:38:07 and pearpc runs osx 03:38:10 (albeit slow) 03:38:16 sweet 03:38:24 basilisk runs 7.3 fast enough 03:38:29 painfully slow? 03:38:30 to do some real work with it 03:38:33 can it network out? 03:39:00 can you give the 'virtual mac' an ip address, and access your LAN and the internet? 03:39:26 basilisk 2 yes 03:39:29 not sure about pearpc 03:42:26 aqua is so sexy 03:42:41 i'm thinking of getting a mac just to have something really nice like that 03:42:53 and for the experience in mac hardware and software 03:50:02 --- quit: }Topaz{ ("Leaving") 04:11:12 --- quit: saon ("leaving") 04:11:33 --- join: saon (1000@c-24-129-90-197.se.client2.attbi.com) joined #forth 04:38:12 --- join: SeaForth (~SeaForth@c-24-1-126-202.client.comcast.net) joined #forth 05:01:37 --- part: SeaForth left #forth 05:19:33 crc, are you around? 05:53:04 --- join: SeaForth (~SeaForth@c-24-1-126-202.client.comcast.net) joined #forth 06:03:39 --- quit: aum () 06:08:11 --- quit: saon ("leaving") 06:08:20 --- join: saon (1000@c-24-129-90-197.se.client2.attbi.com) joined #forth 06:59:49 anybody around that can help me with loops in retroforth? 07:19:07 nvm 07:19:09 got it now 07:20:06 --- quit: bbls () 07:43:12 --- join: snowrichard (~chatzilla@adsl-69-155-177-154.dsl.lgvwtx.swbell.net) joined #forth 07:53:06 --- join: Serg[GPRS] (~z@193.201.231.126) joined #forth 08:09:41 --- quit: snowrichard ("ChatZilla 0.9.52B [Mozilla rv:1.6/20040115]") 08:13:30 --- quit: Serg[GPRS] () 08:16:54 --- join: segher (~segher@blueice2n1.de.ibm.com) joined #forth 08:43:59 --- quit: tgunr (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08:50:06 --- join: Herkamire (~jason@h000094d30ba2.ne.client2.attbi.com) joined #forth 08:50:07 --- mode: ChanServ set +o Herkamire 09:01:20 what happened to i440r 09:07:01 eaten by a grue 09:07:11 oh no 09:09:21 --- join: zoly (~l@ppp-62-245-160-251.mnet-online.de) joined #forth 09:09:41 g'day 10:07:53 --- join: DapperDan (~DapperDan@213-94-147-52.bas1.chf.cork.eircom.net) joined #forth 10:49:42 --- part: SeaForth left #forth 11:59:48 --- quit: segher ("Leaving") 12:42:47 --- quit: samc_ (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 12:58:57 --- join: madwork (~madgarden@derby.metrics.com) joined #forth 13:27:30 --- quit: DapperDan () 14:06:13 --- join: TheBlueWizard (TheBlueWiz@63.250.24.178) joined #forth 14:08:10 --- join: aum (~aum@60-234-138-239.bitstream.orcon.net.nz) joined #forth 14:15:37 Hi all 14:17:04 hi crc 14:17:34 * crc is close to having rf8 running on Windows 14:17:35 hi 14:17:39 Hi zoly 14:18:32 cool re: rf8 progress 14:19:04 good one 14:19:27 running natively, or via cygwin? 14:19:28 Working versions: Linux, Generic (libc-backed), Native, L4 14:19:33 Natively of course 14:19:42 wd 14:20:43 does rf have ability to load/use external libs (.DLL, .so etc)? 14:21:29 Under Windows you can use any DLL 14:21:44 I'm working on updating the libdl.so bindings for the Generic port 14:21:59 nice 14:22:11 The FFI is clean, and easy to work with too :) 14:22:36 so i could use the MFCs in mfc42.dll ? 14:22:40 Yes 14:23:25 If you know the API, it should be pretty easy to work with the DLL 14:23:30 great - that is a mandatory feature (IMO) for a general-purpose compiler/language 14:24:02 heh 14:24:04 there are too many lame-duck forths with partial or no support for system api access 14:24:15 I support the native API for each port. 14:24:31 In Linux/FreeBSD, that's the syscalls 14:24:34 Windows is DLL's 14:24:45 L4 will have bindings to the L4 syscalls 14:24:47 And so on 14:24:49 * aum looks forward to the flurry of new rf8/QT apps 14:24:53 :) 14:25:19 though talking to a C++ api would be, er, /interesting/ 14:25:24 rf7 can make use of libraries, but it's a lot more awkward... 14:46:09 crc, does rf native support floating point operations? 14:47:27 no 14:54:32 if rf can support lib access, it shouldn't be hard to write a floats shim in C, and access it via rf's lib interface 15:06:13 --- quit: saon ("Leaving") 15:11:18 The only thing left is load/save of blockfiles :) 15:19:52 http://forthworks.com/blog/index.php?p=5 15:24:05 --- join: Topaz (~top@cerberus.saywell.net) joined #forth 15:41:14 --- join: DapperDan (~DapperDan@213-94-147-52.bas1.chf.cork.eircom.net) joined #forth 15:52:48 --- join: T0paz (~top@cerberus.saywell.net) joined #forth 15:53:49 --- quit: DapperDan () 15:54:51 --- join: DapperDan (~DapperDan@213-94-147-52.bas1.chf.cork.eircom.net) joined #forth 16:01:20 --- quit: Topaz (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 16:10:19 --- join: Sonarman (~snofs@adsl-67-113-234-45.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) joined #forth 16:25:22 --- quit: T0paz (Remote closed the connection) 16:36:39 --- quit: DapperDan () 16:57:57 --- part: TheBlueWizard left #forth 17:29:29 --- join: DapperDan (~DapperDan@213-94-147-52.bas1.chf.cork.eircom.net) joined #forth 17:32:16 --- quit: DapperDan (Client Quit) 18:25:48 back 18:34:29 --- join: SeaForth (~SeaForth@c-24-1-126-202.client.comcast.net) joined #forth 18:35:00 Hi SeaForth 18:35:27 zoly, you working on a iconForth now? 18:35:29 crc, howdie 18:36:42 How 18:36:48 How's SeaForth going? 18:38:03 other than the major cronic back/shoulder pain from something like years of mousing and keyboarding, I'm doing wonderfully grimacing. 18:51:00 --- join: DapperDan (~DapperDan@213.94.147.52) joined #forth 19:16:14 --- quit: DapperDan () 19:17:36 --- join: saon (1000@c-24-129-90-197.se.client2.attbi.com) joined #forth 19:49:31 --- quit: Sonarman (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19:51:25 --- part: SeaForth left #forth 20:21:41 --- join: Sonarman (~snofs@adsl-64-160-164-97.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) joined #forth 20:31:54 forthworks ? 20:32:40 One of my sites :) 20:32:51 working on it ? 20:32:55 yes 20:33:06 home / projects / forums ? 20:33:09 :) 20:33:39 * crc plans to provide hosting for small Forth projects 20:33:39 * zoly 's new forth site alert just went off 20:34:33 like, sourceforge 20:34:35 you have a "new forth site alert"? :) 20:34:44 i just demonstrated 20:34:49 ahh 20:35:09 ok :) 20:35:49 Not as many features as SourceForge 20:36:11 ftp uploads, subdomains, email addresses, sections on the forums, etc 20:37:19 very nice 20:38:31 Hopefully it'll prove to be a valuable resource for the forth community 20:39:45 crc should i put the b18chess there? 20:40:01 Yup :) 20:40:07 thanks man :) 20:40:16 I'll set the ftp account up in the morning 20:40:29 (I'm going to bed in a few minutes) 20:40:34 no rush, playing with retro8 :) 20:40:40 no prob 20:40:41 :) 20:41:01 Tomorrow you might be able to play with retro8 under Windows :) 20:41:09 very cool. 20:56:21 goodnight 21:01:33 --- join: asymptote (~dmesg@68.48.8.92) joined #forth 21:03:25 --- quit: asymptote ("Leaving") 21:04:34 --- quit: aum () 21:35:50 --- join: asymptote (~dmesg@68.48.8.92) joined #forth 21:46:49 --- quit: asymptote ("Leaving") 21:59:34 --- quit: zoly (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23:37:53 --- join: Purdu3 (~Purdu3@12-222-128-22.client.insightBB.com) joined #forth 23:46:48 --- quit: Purdu3 (Remote closed the connection) 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/05.02.11