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04:58:08 <aum> doncha hate those bugs that hide while trace statements are enabled, but show when the traces are commented out !?
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08:27:55 <thinfu> hello, anyone awake?
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08:33:28 <SeaForth> hey guys
08:33:32 <SeaForth> thinfu, I'm alive
08:33:34 <SeaForth> But barely.
08:33:49 <thinfu> how come barely?
08:34:10 <SeaForth> 2 more chapters to review on VoIP for Oreilly and Co, then to read some more on Applescript, and then back to solving some problems with SeaForth.  Exercise, fasting, and then movie/sleep.  What you up to.
08:34:41 <SeaForth> oh, and cleaning the house, laundry, preparing for garage sale, and then breaking fast (I can't wait)
08:36:49 <thinfu> what are you fasting for
08:37:01 <thinfu> and is it the lemon/cayenne fast? :P
08:38:28 <thinfu> SeaForth: you in x86 linux or windows?
08:38:41 <SeaForth> kinda, tea only 3 times a day and for general health
08:38:45 <SeaForth> osx
08:40:16 <Herkamire> really? what's the status?
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09:05:51 <crc> Hi all!
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09:19:01 <Herkamire> hi crc :)
09:19:37 <crc> hi Herkamire
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10:19:50 <arke> good morning
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10:37:38 <arke> anybody happen to know how to rescale a selection in photoshop?
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11:06:14 <zoly> 'morning
11:06:18 <zoly> crc, you here ?
11:11:01 <crc> Hi zoly
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11:12:06 <Serg_p> hey folks !
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11:12:23 <zoly> can you fix the forthfreak link on your wiki ?
11:12:31 <zoly> the one which points to forthfreak.de ?
11:12:42 <zoly> io just moved the wiki to another server
11:12:48 <zoly> make it forthfreak.net pls
11:12:52 <zoly> or www.forthfreak.net
11:13:04 <crc> sure
11:13:10 <zoly> thanks
11:13:23 <zoly> no .../wiki/index.cgi? ..... please
11:13:30 <crc> ?
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11:13:49 <zoly> some links are given with path  .../wiki/index.cgi....
11:13:53 <zoly> those are all broken now
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11:14:37 <zoly> moved it because the old server became way too slow recently
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11:15:59 <crc> fixed
11:16:03 <zoly> thanks
11:16:08 <crc> I haven't used the .de addr in quite a while
11:16:17 <zoly> it still points to the old server
11:16:21 <crc> ?
11:16:27 <zoly> which is sluggish right now
11:16:30 <crc> Where on my wiki does it point to the old server?
11:16:36 <zoly> it was .de
11:16:55 <Serg[gprs]> wiki is great ! i recently added a couple of photo articles into RU one
11:17:37 <zoly> http://tesla.rubberpaw.com/
11:17:47 <crc> ahh
11:17:48 <zoly> 2nd link below "links"
11:17:52 <crc> That site is ancient :(
11:18:01 * crc thought you meant retroforth.org/fwiki
11:18:10 <zoly> ah, ok
11:18:25 <zoly> i'm just running through the list of referrers
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11:19:19 <crc> I'll have to get rubberpaw to reset my password on that box... It's been ages since I last logged in
11:19:25 <zoly> as long as .de hasn't propagated through DNS, all changes to the wiki by those who didn't notice the "moving" remark would be lost
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11:20:42 <Serg[gprs]> i am again from rotten IRC client ;((
11:20:48 <robert> :/
11:21:02 <robert> My shell box isn't up much anymore
11:21:11 <robert> So I'm sorry if you've been trying to connect
11:21:22 <Serg[gprs]> i reinstalled Win and it fails to work w/ GPRS - DNS trubble
11:21:35 <Serg[gprs]> n/mind, i'll beg from someone else ;))
11:21:40 <robert> Hehe
11:22:17 <Serg[gprs]> or even subscribe for freeshell server account, if only they allow that usage as 'traffic reducer'
11:22:35 <Serg[gprs]> how is ypur radio ?
11:22:41 <robert> Haven't used it much
11:22:42 <Serg[gprs]> and your EDU ?
11:22:54 <robert> Lately I've been doing some electronics, trying to build a computer.
11:23:03 <SeaForth> hello
11:23:07 <SeaForth> zoly, how you doing?
11:23:11 <crc> Hi SeaForth
11:23:11 <robert> Well..not doing much at school, really, although I'm doing some Java homework atm.
11:23:14 <SeaForth> done with JSForth?
11:23:15 <robert> Hi SeaForth 
11:23:25 <zoly> hi SeaForth.  fine, just fine
11:23:39 <zoly> just got does>  finished
11:23:44 <zoly> while moving the wiki
11:24:05 <zoly> thought i'd just prepare a bit for it
11:24:08 <SeaForth> moving the wiki, locally to new host, or some service?
11:24:17 <zoly> but does> was working first :)
11:24:36 <zoly> another server. the one where i backupped it to before
11:25:02 <zoly> the other (old) server becomes way too slow
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11:25:22 <zoly> loading a page can take 10 seconds and more
11:26:34 <SeaForth> http://forthfreak.logilan.com/jsforth.html
11:26:37 <SeaForth> dont' work at all :(
11:27:05 <zoly> sure does
11:27:16 <zoly> what's wrong ?
11:27:48 <SeaForth> won't load
11:27:55 <SeaForth> stalled load.
11:28:11 <SeaForth> Resolving forthfreak.logilan.com... 
11:28:13 <zoly> reload
11:28:17 <SeaForth> stuck while resolving.
11:28:41 <zoly> forthfreak.net shoould resolve to the new location already
11:28:42 <SeaForth> ping forthfreak.logilan.com
11:28:47 <zoly> no ping
11:28:50 <zoly> icmp blocked
11:28:51 <SeaForth> no ping 
11:29:48 <SeaForth> well, anything forthfreak.logilan.com seems wanked :(
11:30:02 <SeaForth> http://forthfreak.logilan.com/jsforth.js
11:30:03 <SeaForth> no go
11:30:12 <SeaForth> bbiab
11:30:19 <zoly> open instantly here
11:30:22 <SeaForth> grocery shopping and trash day
11:34:54 <zoly> herkamire, there's a deep link  http://www.forthfreak.net/wiki/index.cgi?ForthCPUs on  http://herkamire.com/jason/forth_hardware
11:35:01 <zoly> that one won't work anymore
11:36:00 <crc> fixed :)
11:37:19 <zoly> i think i better put an index.cgi in a wiki directory which reroutes the access, rather than trying to get all links fixed
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11:47:58 <Serg[gprs]> Robert: how's your TFORTH ?
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11:50:02 <Serg[gprs]> BYE all, i goto sleep !
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11:55:12 <zoly> fixed
11:55:26 <zoly> cgi in bash :)
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11:55:42 <Topaz> haha
11:55:51 <Serg[GPRS]> re from Windoze
11:56:05 <robert> Hi
11:56:13 <Serg[GPRS]> i fixed the trubble: it was disabled DHCP service
11:56:15 <zoly> converts old url with harcoded path to new url
11:56:20 <robert> TForth hasn't been changed a lot
11:56:26 <Topaz> hmm, maybe i should eat
11:56:42 <Topaz> although i've eaten so much chocolate i don't feel much like real food ;)
11:57:10 <robert> Heh
11:57:26 <robert> I'll tell your mother not to give you chocolate before dinner!
11:57:42 <Topaz> hah :P
11:57:45 <Topaz> it's what PHP does to you...
11:57:51 <Topaz> (i hate it with a passion!)
11:58:05 <Serg[GPRS]> chocolate suxx, as massive food
11:58:08 <Topaz> but alas, as long as webhosts keep offering cheap PHP hosting, it appears i'll be writing it...
11:58:27 <Topaz> i might cook me a curry... hmm
11:58:37 <zoly> curry is good
11:58:44 <zoly> especially the kurcuma
11:58:55 <zoly> curcuma
11:58:57 <Serg[GPRS]> PHP rocks, it's great !! much easier than CGI perl
11:59:25 <Topaz> i've been trying to make my site vaguely modular
11:59:48 <Topaz> (code reuse is the buzzword of the day, y'know ;)
11:59:57 <zoly> turmeric is its english name
12:00:10 <Topaz> ah, yes
12:00:12 <Topaz> bright yellow stuff
12:00:25 <zoly> right. used to dye monks cloaks
12:00:52 <zoly> is made from the roots of a lily
12:01:09 <zoly> and has an amazing therapeutic potential
12:01:33 <zoly> http://www.betterhumans.com/News/news.aspx?articleID=2004-12-28-4
12:01:46 <Serg[GPRS]> what's it ?
12:02:09 <zoly> turmeric/curcuma ?
12:02:18 <zoly> the yellow stuff in curry and mustard
12:02:31 <Serg[GPRS]> web address above
12:02:34 <zoly> but often used as isolated spice as well
12:02:41 <zoly> "Beats drugsIn the study, curcumin appeared more effective inhibiting plaque formation than many other drugs being tested as Alzheimer's treatments. "
12:02:55 <zoly> "Brain benefits"
12:03:06 * Serg[GPRS] knows completely NO English word about cooking
12:03:26 <Serg[GPRS]> and medications - too
12:03:33 <zoly> stuff comes from india
12:04:20 <zoly> in russian it is kurkuma
12:04:26 <zoly> куркума
12:04:27 <Serg[GPRS]> hare krishna, hare rama ? in RU, 'harya' is nasty face ;))
12:05:01 <Serg[GPRS]> i know no word 'kurkuma' in any language ;))
12:05:03 <zoly> or maybe  "Zholty Imbir"
12:05:31 <zoly> this is the plant it is made of: http://www-ang.kfunigraz.ac.at/~katzer/engl/generic_frame.html?Curc_lon.html
12:05:40 <crc> I finally completed the core of RetroWiki 2 :)
12:05:54 <Serg[GPRS]> aha, i heard the RU word 'imbir' but have no hell of idea what does it mean
12:06:22 <zoly> on the lsat page are 7 or 8 other russian words for the same stuff
12:07:09 <Serg[GPRS]> ditch that offtopic !
12:07:43 <zoly> not off topic. is good for brain. thing good for brain are needed by forth.
12:07:45 <Serg[GPRS]> i think of coding some cute little game, maybe RPG or an retro arcade
12:07:48 <Serg[GPRS]> any ideas ?
12:10:31 <zoly> maybe a bzflag clone ?
12:11:29 <Serg[GPRS]> whats it ?
12:12:39 <zoly> tanks driving around and shooting at each other
12:14:21 <Serg[GPRS]> hehe
12:15:03 <Serg[GPRS]> i think of tanks in great map, shooting by parabola like in ScorchedEarth
12:15:19 <Serg[GPRS]> and carrying out some tasks
12:15:53 <Serg[GPRS]> like Pirates! or Elite, but on little crawling thingies
12:21:05 <Serg[GPRS]> or ultra-abstract RPG - player is just a can of 'candies', giving various properties
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13:06:12 <zoly> looks like there no more first saturday #figuk meeting ?
13:06:30 <zoly> will mark that as "dead link" in the wiki
13:06:33 <arke> i think they stopped due to lack of attendance
13:07:56 <zoly> somehow i'm reminded on a scottish town - have to look up which one it was
13:08:23 <zoly> i pas passing by bicycle, and asked a local where the camping area was
13:08:40 <zoly> he aid "there is no camping area, there's not many tourist coming to this town"
13:08:57 <zoly> i told him "why should there come tourists if there's no camping site"
13:12:56 <zoly> there's also no more #forth channel on Efnet ?
13:13:14 <zoly> another entry to delete ...
13:14:09 <zoly> that makes "forth communities" a very comprehensive list now
13:14:32 <robert> I haven't seen any other Forth channels
13:14:43 <robert> Except the 4 or so fractions on freenode.
13:15:29 <zoly> i wonder whether those voices saying "forth is dying" are right
13:15:40 <zoly> i mean, if the communities dissolve ...
13:17:24 * crc will still be using forth
13:20:57 * arke will still be using forth
13:21:40 <Herkamire> I'll still be using forth
13:21:40 <crc> #retro will remain as long as I have 'net access and can still type. Or until freenode ceases to exist; then I'll need a new IRC sever
13:21:50 * robert won't use forth is he can't fight with others because they use other dialects.
13:22:06 <robert> if*
13:22:26 <crc> I believe that.
13:23:32 <robert> That's an insult.
13:23:42 <crc> Is it?
13:23:48 * robert types in some BASIC
13:23:55 <crc> : print 10 parse type ;
13:24:01 <Herkamire> I don't understand it
13:24:03 <zoly> are we playing montty python ?
13:24:09 <crc> : rem 10 parse 2drop ;
13:24:48 <robert> I'm planning a forthish system for my computer.
13:24:49 <zoly> : run begin line basic as interpret again ;
13:26:25 <zoly> : asc drop c@ ;
13:27:16 * crc grows tired of BASIC-in-Forth
13:27:36 <Herkamire> crc: yeah, that is so over.
13:58:05 <crc> zoly: you can add #1xforth to your list of forth channels
13:59:32 <arke> --- Topic for #sourcehack is Merry Christmas (eve) | chown -R us ./base
14:05:02 <robert> Yet anoter Forth channel, crc?
14:05:12 <crc> Yup
14:05:26 <robert> Anything interesting in there? Non-#forth people?
14:05:41 <crc> it's been pretty slow there lately
14:05:43 <arke> robert: some :)
14:09:58 <arke> robert: come back, i was kidding :)
14:11:30 <robert> No!
14:11:34 <robert> Never!
14:11:36 <robert> I like my ANS.
14:11:45 <arke> fine.
14:11:45 <robert> (well, I don't, but one Forth channel is enough=
14:11:54 <arke> TRAITOR!!!1111111oneoneone
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14:12:13 --- topic: set to 'Forth: One language, many dialects' by crc
14:12:19 <arke> :)
14:12:45 <crc> robert: what about #c4th, #c4th-ot, and #retro ?
14:13:08 <robert> #retro is for a Forth I don't use, same thing about c4th.
14:13:15 <crc> heh
14:13:29 <arke> #c4th-ot is a social channel, really
14:13:34 <crc> still, they're about Forth  :)
14:13:39 <Raystm2> newtopic "Forth: One language, almost no one speakes it" :) 
14:13:51 --- mode: crc set +o Raystm2
14:13:53 <robert> Hehe
14:13:58 <robert> Hi Ray
14:13:58 <crc> Change it Ray :)
14:14:03 <Raystm2> howdy all :)
14:14:23 * Raystm2 won a Poetry contest at Poetry.com -- so proud.
14:14:38 <crc> congrats
14:14:42 <arke>  /topic Forth: One language, many dialects. #forth - general forth discussion. #c4th - ColorForth. #retro - RetroForth. #1xforth - 1xforth philosphy. #c4th-ot - social channel :)
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14:15:52 <crc> There
14:16:02 <Raystm2> beat me :)
14:16:17 <Raystm2> beat me hard :P
14:16:27 <crc> There's also a bit of Forth discussion in #concatenative...
14:16:30 <Raystm2> i was typing away there.
14:16:39 <Raystm2> that's true.
14:16:41 <robert> /topic #c4th - the colorful sec, #c4th-ot - for heretics, #retro - modern is bad, #1xforth - The Chuckites, #forth - the sectbashing combat zone.
14:16:53 <robert> s/sec/sect/
14:16:59 <Raystm2> it's always " is forth a concatenative language and slava says yes.
14:17:13 <zoly> does> finally works in jsforth
14:17:21 <arke> robert: you got it wrong for retro
14:17:26 <crc> Raystm2: actually I keep them up to date on retroforth's development :)
14:17:31 <arke> robert: retro is actually "old is bad"
14:17:31 <robert> Sure, sure...
14:17:45 <crc> robert: have you *used* retroforth? 
14:18:01 <arke> probably not.
14:18:06 <Raystm2> retro8 is da force.
14:18:15 <robert> Of course not, I don't critizise things I like/use.
14:18:15 <crc> it's more modern than you'd think from the name :)
14:18:20 <robert> *cough*
14:18:22 <arke> he's too busy writing G and using that C-implementatino, eerr, I mean, IsForth
14:18:32 <zoly> seaforth had access problem on forthfreak.net . does anyone else have/had problems accessing it ?
14:18:39 <crc> Not me :)
14:18:45 <arke> nope
14:18:45 <zoly> it has moved to another server
14:19:18 <Raystm2> sometimes you got to loose a little heat sheilding to make the ship beat the alien ---- where the helllll  am i goin with this.....
14:19:23 <zoly> any difference in access speed noticable ?
14:19:27 <crc> yes.
14:19:38 <zoly> good
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14:29:44 <robert> Hi i
14:29:46 <robert> Hi I440r 
14:30:38 <I440r> hi
14:31:34 <Raystm2> hi I440r :) long time no type.
14:32:06 <I440r> ya
14:32:11 <I440r> i been kinda busy :/
14:34:50 <Raystm2> busy is good, I stay that way. :)
14:40:55 <I440r> heh
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14:55:29 <robert> #1xforth - unapproved? ;)
14:56:25 <Herkamire> I don't think #1xforth is an open channel
14:56:38 <robert> "open"?
14:56:46 <Herkamire> seems rude to advertise, then not allow entry
14:56:47 <robert> As in, stranger being invited?
14:56:56 <robert> Oh?
14:57:00 <robert> I could join it.
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15:37:44 <crc> goodnight
15:37:57 <zoly> crc, i've added a retro std to js
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21:37:08 <arke> teh hies allz0r
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