00:00:00 --- log: started forth/05.01.11 00:35:49 --- join: Serg_penguin (~z@212.34.52.140) joined #forth 00:43:25 --- join: fridge (~Jim@CommSecureAustPtyLtd.sb1.optus.net.au) joined #forth 00:44:03 --- part: fridge left #forth 01:15:21 --- join: Testament (CapStone@cs24160141-160.satx.rr.com) joined #forth 01:15:21 --- quit: p-Imperator (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01:56:14 --- quit: Frek ("Going down for serious network reorganization") 02:21:26 --- quit: Serg_penguin () 02:23:31 --- join: bbls1 (~bbls@80.97.121.133) joined #forth 02:23:40 hello 02:40:50 --- quit: crc (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02:59:27 --- join: crc (~crc@pool-68-238-186-195.phil.east.verizon.net) joined #forth 02:59:59 --- mode: ChanServ set +o crc 03:13:45 is it generally accepted that the words ( and ) are comment delimiters? 03:14:12 yes afaik 03:14:16 thank you. 03:14:31 just added that to the 'parser' for SeaFORTH, nice to have it there, makes life a lot easier. 03:15:00 :) 03:17:53 what features does seaforth have? 03:35:17 SeaForth? 04:00:27 --- quit: SeaForth (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04:00:52 --- join: Topaz (~top@cerberus.saywell.net) joined #forth 04:09:00 --- quit: bbls1 (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 04:34:17 --- join: segher (~segher@blueice1n1.de.ibm.com) joined #forth 05:36:55 --- join: Herkamire (~jason@h000094d30ba2.ne.client2.attbi.com) joined #forth 07:02:12 --- join: Obakeneko[away] (yumehito@giguz.turbo.nsk.su) joined #forth 07:08:20 --- quit: yumehito (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 07:26:37 --- quit: Topaz (Remote closed the connection) 08:58:06 --- join: Topaz (~top@cerberus.saywell.net) joined #forth 09:08:31 --- join: arke (apache@11.198.216.81.dre.siw.siwnet.net) joined #forth 09:09:16 --- join: bbls (~bbls@80.97.121.133) joined #forth 09:09:18 hello world 09:10:21 ." Hello, bbls" cr 09:10:33 ;) 09:10:33 :) 09:10:49 I wonder where robtrob is 09:16:09 --- join: robert (~purple@c-aa7ae055.17-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined #forth 09:16:22 Forth, forth. Forthily forth forth? Forthihe forth! 09:17:09 i forth, you forth, he/she forths, we forth, you forth, they forth :) 09:18:56 forthification! forthism! forthing forth forthage forthium 09:19:02 :) 09:19:06 teh hies robtrob 09:24:54 Hi 09:36:20 --- quit: Herkamire (tolkien.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 09:37:01 --- join: Herkamire (~jason@h000094d30ba2.ne.client2.attbi.com) joined #forth 10:09:37 --- quit: madwork_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10:16:05 --- quit: arke ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 10:31:46 --- quit: bbls (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10:44:18 --- join: SeaForth (~SeaForth@c-24-1-126-202.client.comcast.net) joined #forth 10:55:04 --- quit: SeaForth (Client Quit) 10:57:54 --- join: qFox (C00K13S@82-169-140-229-mx.xdsl.tiscali.nl) joined #forth 10:58:28 Hi, fox. 10:59:12 --- quit: segher ("Leaving") 11:01:42 --- join: SeaForth (~SeaForth@c-24-1-126-202.client.comcast.net) joined #forth 11:26:54 --- quit: Topaz (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 11:33:37 neat. apple has the new mac mini on their site. the rumors were true 11:36:44 * robert checks 11:37:08 btw, I saw someone mention that the PowerPC does floating-point divisions in one cycle..is this true? 11:44:26 --- quit: robert ("Night") 11:45:11 hey ro 11:45:13 ...bert 11:45:48 fpd in one? damn.. 11:48:04 --- join: tathi (~josh@pcp01375108pcs.milfrd01.pa.comcast.net) joined #forth 12:46:57 --- quit: froop () 12:51:24 --- join: froop (~wossname@rn-v1w5a06.uwaterloo.ca) joined #forth 12:59:54 --- join: saon (1000@c-24-129-90-197.se.client2.attbi.com) joined #forth 13:01:55 you can do some fp ops in "one cycle". because it's pipelined. really what it is is that you can do like 8 fp ops in 8 cycles:) 13:21:28 --- join: zoly (~l@ppp-62-245-211-106.mnet-online.de) joined #forth 13:21:42 g'day 13:22:17 wiki markup can now be tested interactively, because form preload and post work. 13:22:37 although it is only a single page which is edited and saved now 13:23:01 http://fwiki.logilan.com/cgi/edit.cgi?TestPage 13:46:53 btw mac mini has forth in the rom that you can access. :) 13:47:15 :o 13:47:36 got links? 13:48:01 my internet is choked up, but i suddenly see everybody talking about some mini mac and i can't search for information quickly enough :/ 13:49:13 --- join: tgunr (~davec@A17-205-43-45.apple.com) joined #forth 13:55:37 alt-apple-F could do 13:55:47 or was it ctrl-apple -F ? 13:56:07 (i suppose "forth in rom" is open firmware) 13:57:39 i got an apple keyboard on my pc clone, therefore in can check the keys :) 13:57:52 apple-apple F could also be 13:58:04 pity that OF doesn't pop up here 13:59:20 on sun workstations it was stop-A 14:02:41 it's option+command+O+F 14:02:54 stop-a was neat cuz it would work even when you were in the OS 14:03:10 opt+cmd+O+F thing you have to press it while it's making it's boot sound. 14:03:20 then you can tweak it to boot to OF by default. 14:03:49 i've gotten a few different forth things to work in it. apple's of is actually less buggy than sun OF in their older sparcs. 14:04:16 http://www.netneurotic.de/mac/openfirmware.html 14:11:05 OrngeTide: was you website a wiki, or just static html ? 14:15:33 zoly, which site? 14:15:41 i have a wiki AND static pages. 14:15:59 the oranetide.com/forth/ page is static. but http://wiki.rm-f.net/ is my wiki 14:17:27 rm-f.net is not forth specific 14:17:34 i meant the forth site 14:18:12 the forth section in orangetide i think i meant 14:20:33 zoly, yea. rm-f just has one page of forth stuff on the wiki. http://wiki.rm-f.net/tiki-index.php?page=Forth 14:20:49 --- join: Topaz (~top@cerberus.saywell.net) joined #forth 14:30:38 --- quit: tgunr (Remote closed the connection) 14:44:02 OrngeTide: you wouldn't be, by any chance, interested in a forth written wiki ? 14:45:37 hrm. i think i saw a forth based wiki. they guy who did pygmy forth has one. 14:45:58 i've been working on some wiki markup in forth 14:46:14 http://utoh.org:8888/pygmy 14:46:17 today i connected forms and post 14:46:24 http://fwiki.logilan.com/cgi/edit.cgi?TestPage 14:46:27 there is a preliminary RFC for wiki markup syntax... 14:46:38 the markup i use is oriented towards kwiki 14:46:45 but has some extras 14:46:55 like links in headers, and line breaks 14:47:00 names image links 14:47:04 named .. 14:47:50 source code is under the first link on the test page 14:48:04 (where it says test of Forth wiki markup processor) 14:48:35 i just use some php written wiki because it has gobs of features and is easy to install. :) 14:49:00 i'm more interested in a forth os. especially for my microcontroller (gumstix) 14:59:16 OrngeTide: are you working on that? 14:59:27 what are you doing for a display? 14:59:41 display? 14:59:54 well it does have pins for LCD if you want to solder tiny little wires:) 15:01:48 an rs232 terminal should be fine 15:02:00 it does bluetooh and usb slave. 15:02:06 and the new version does ethernet 15:02:25 've been writing a disk server over rs232 for an embedded forth once 15:02:25 i was thinking of making a "voice pda". basically having a bluetooth headset to interact with it. 15:02:42 rs232 was faster than my old floppy drive:) 15:02:45 providing mass memory access 15:03:23 --- quit: Topaz (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 15:05:18 the gumstix has an MMC slot. i have 256mb on my gumstix at home. plus 4mb of onboard flash. 15:05:34 although I accidentally trashed the boot rom, so I'm waiting for jtag cables I ordered so I can fix it 15:05:38 :( 15:05:42 --- quit: qFox ("this quit is sponsored by somebody!") 15:05:55 Herkamire, you going to get a mac mini? :) 15:58:22 a what? 15:59:21 2x6x6 inches mac 15:59:42 500 US$ 16:01:15 7 $ per cubic inch 16:05:02 lol 16:10:44 ooooh :) 16:18:51 fancy 16:21:59 its an interesting box, but at 499 too expensive for what ya get IMHO. 16:22:09 Interesting to non mac people mostly I do believe. 16:22:16 * SeaForth notes that is good for OSX 16:24:15 seems like nice hardware to mee 16:26:06 --- join: Sonarman (~snofs@adsl-64-160-166-172.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) joined #forth 16:31:20 --- quit: tathi ("leaving") 16:34:40 SeaForth, i think $500 is a bargain. 16:34:45 especially compared to other macs. 16:34:56 it's no game machine. 16:35:20 otoh it's video hardware is better than a playstation2, and people still play games on something as "low-end" as a ps2:) 16:36:38 my 500mhz g3 runs osx quite well. but it's a laptop, and I kinda would like a desktop too. so it seems like a good deal to me. 16:37:54 $100 more for a slightly faster cpu and bigger harddrive. and another $100 for dvd+-rw drive. and another $150 for wireless and bluetooth. and another $80 for iWork (document and presentation software). Apple is just like a car dealership, they add a bunch of options to double the price. :P 16:44:21 --- join: p-Imperator (CapStone@cs24160141-160.satx.rr.com) joined #forth 16:44:21 --- quit: Testament (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16:50:18 --- quit: OrngeTide ("going home") 17:27:37 --- join: Testament (CapStone@cs24160141-160.satx.rr.com) joined #forth 17:45:29 --- quit: p-Imperator (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17:58:21 --- join: snowrichard (~richard@adsl-69-155-177-153.dsl.lgvwtx.swbell.net) joined #forth 17:58:55 --- quit: snowrichard (Client Quit) 18:03:20 --- part: zoly left #forth 18:06:10 --- join: Galion (~chatzilla@bb-66-55-211-245.gwi.net) joined #forth 18:08:17 --- quit: Galion (Remote closed the connection) 18:16:25 the mini mac looks good to me. I might get one if my current computer bites it 18:25:13 Herkamire, that is funny, and a great quote :) 18:25:56 As for minimac being a deal, compared to other macs, I have an eMac 1.25/512/80 here that is based on the 7457 and is very afordable at 700-800 USD. I got mine for 702 delivered. 18:26:12 I find the minimac overpriced by about 20-25% 18:46:34 --- join: p-Imperator (CapStone@cs24160141-160.satx.rr.com) joined #forth 18:52:12 --- join: scope (~junk@njd.paradise.net.nz) joined #forth 18:55:22 it costs more to make it small 18:56:30 --- join: snowrichard (~richard@adsl-69-155-177-153.dsl.lgvwtx.swbell.net) joined #forth 19:03:14 --- quit: saon ("Leaving") 19:04:05 --- quit: Testament (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19:04:57 looks fairly energy efficient too. at least compaired with the desktop G5 19:05:39 minimac would fit under my monitor. it'd be nice to be able to access the cd drive so easily instead of diving under my desk. 19:26:50 Herkamire, 3 mile island is energy efficient compared to a desktop G5 19:28:17 hehe 19:28:31 sorry I don't know what to compare it to 19:28:40 maybe I can find the specs on my current computer 19:29:07 --- join: Sonarman_ (~snofs@adsl-63-196-0-154.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) joined #forth 19:33:29 --- quit: snowrichard (Remote closed the connection) 19:36:49 --- join: TheBlueWizard (TheBlueWiz@modem-140.nyc-tc04b.fcc.net) joined #forth 19:38:54 --- quit: Sonarman (Nick collision from services.) 19:38:57 --- nick: Sonarman_ -> Sonamrn 19:39:00 --- nick: Sonamrn -> Sonarman 19:46:36 Herkamire, 3 mile island was a nuclear 'meltdown' in the 70s as I recall, and it has been turned off since. 19:46:47 at least the one core that went. 19:50:50 correct for the most parts...just a partial meltdown...see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Mile_Island for more info 20:07:43 got a question, english related. What would be a simple word to describe something that is expected, used often. 20:08:31 frequent, regular 20:08:45 usual 20:08:46 routine might not be what you're looking for? :) 20:08:55 ah, sonarman, you have the gift of the gab :l 20:09:13 oh, i just thought of another one 20:09:14 expected 20:09:31 was thinking more in line with something expected, like what the use of "Hello, world!" print as an example to show how forth works. 20:10:06 canonical? 20:11:18 --- quit: Obakeneko[away] () 20:11:28 paradigm... 20:11:38 paragon... 20:12:13 maaan. I'm having the hardest time typing infix notation 20:12:45 my brain is functioning the forth way 20:13:01 uh-oh 20:13:14 * Sonarman takes Herkamire to the Special House 20:13:57 isn't this padded room nice? It's so you don't hurt yourself. :D 20:21:08 that is it sonarman! 20:21:15 that is the word I was looking for! 20:21:16 canonical? 20:21:20 yep. 20:21:21 perfect 20:21:27 yay 20:21:36 * Sonarman does the Dance of Death^WHappiness 20:21:43 thank you 20:21:51 hehe, was nothing 20:21:55 man, my brain was having a fart-day trying to think of that word. 20:22:15 i know the feeling 20:22:24 * SeaForth notes that Sonarman is now embedded in my SeaFORTH manual :) 20:22:29 uh oh 20:22:41 help. get me out of here! 20:22:46 hehehe 20:22:53 well, indirectly that is. 20:23:19 ah, well then i feel much safer 20:24:14 :~L 20:24:54 i don't know why they let me leave, but i'll never dance no more, until i dance with the dead 20:27:20 is this sufficient example to show someone how to use a Forth? Opinions are welcomed. 20:27:21 0 showok ( shuts off 'ok' printing, -1 turns it back on ) 20:27:21 "Hello, world!" print ( a canonical example ) 20:27:21 3 4 add dot 10 emit ( outputs the sum of 3 and 4, should be 7 ) 20:27:21 ( calculate the hypotenuse of a triangle ) 20:27:21 3 4 2dup hyp nrot swap "Hypotenuse of " strout dot 20:27:23 " and " strout dot " is " strout dot "." print 20:27:54 * Sonarman showoks froop 20:28:24 --- join: snowrichard (~richard@adsl-69-155-177-153.dsl.lgvwtx.swbell.net) joined #forth 20:28:50 --- quit: snowrichard (Client Quit) 20:29:43 zshwirp 20:29:54 yah, I'm flubbered on your comments :) 20:30:07 * SeaForth appeciates the love 20:31:44 we're happy to help 20:31:47 sho-WOK! 20:32:23 obfuscation of SeaForth words. 20:37:01 --- join: saon (1000@c-24-129-90-197.se.client2.attbi.com) joined #forth 21:31:26 --- join: yumehito (yumehito@giguz.turbo.nsk.su) joined #forth 22:08:34 --- part: TheBlueWizard left #forth 22:09:07 --- join: Purdue (YNIX@12-222-128-22.client.insightBB.com) joined #forth 22:47:38 --- quit: froop (",-)") 22:48:25 --- quit: Sonarman ("leaving") 23:43:02 --- join: fridge (~Jim@CommSecureAustPtyLtd.sb1.optus.net.au) joined #forth 23:43:32 --- join: proteusguy (~proteusgu@dsl027-163-201.atl1.dsl.speakeasy.net) joined #forth 23:45:02 --- part: fridge left #forth 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/05.01.11