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00:23:49 <Robert> Privet. ;)
00:24:23 <yumehito> Robert: Hi.
00:25:27 <Robert> I didn't know they still use .su
00:25:38 <Robert> Someone told me they don't, anymore.
00:26:40 <yumehito> Don't start off-topic ;)
00:27:31 <Robert> It's not like this channel is on-topic a lot, but OK. ;)
00:27:49 <yumehito> :)
00:42:37 <ASau> Privet sibirjakam!
00:43:06 <yumehito> Thanks. :)
00:43:16 <Robert> Dobryi utro, ASau 
00:43:29 <ASau> God dag, Robert.
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03:04:18 <Robert> Hi
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09:24:04 <Robert> Hi
09:30:14 <arke> omg t3h r0btr0bz0r!!!
09:30:52 <Robert> HAI.
09:31:04 * Robert forths arke with a forthy forth.
09:32:04 * arke lisps and spits on lispy robtrob while lisping a spitting lisp and scheming another scheming lisp
09:32:09 <arke> I won.
09:32:19 <Robert> Lies.
09:32:29 * Robert is forthing a little.
09:33:15 * arke is lisping and spitting and scheming a spitting lisp
09:33:26 <Robert> :(
09:33:33 <Robert> My forth is faster than your lisp.
09:35:25 <arke> my lisp spits faster than your forh
09:35:26 <arke> i win
09:37:50 <Herkamire> my forth is faster than a speeding bullet
09:38:10 <Robert> Mine is faster then light, since it can escape from a black hole.
09:38:40 <arke> Herk's forth wins
09:39:11 <Robert> :(
09:41:47 <arke> sorry robtrob, your forthing skills dont match those of (aaah!) The Herk of Doom!
09:42:32 * Herkamire is now known as HisMightyHerkness
09:43:26 <fridge> speed is a non issue
09:43:45 <Robert> Hah.
09:43:49 <Robert> g++, javac, ...
09:44:15 <Robert> And on the 386, that list can be made much longer.
09:44:34 <fridge> pffft 386
09:44:50 <fridge> get a real computer damn it
09:45:02 <fridge> not one made from clay and sticks
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09:45:33 <Herkamire> fridge: :)
09:47:47 * arke bows down to Herkamire
09:48:30 <arke> Oh Mighty Herkness, Blessed Be Thy Name And Thy Forth, Forgive Me For All My Sins, And Dont Punish Me When I Wrongfully Code C, Forever. Amen. 
09:48:35 <Robert> fridge: :(
09:48:44 * Robert slaps fridge with a 286
09:48:55 * Astrobe :)
09:49:07 <Robert> Hi, Astrobe 
09:49:27 <Astrobe> Hey Robert! did you made up your mind with your jumps?
09:55:15 <Astrobe> Robert: time is up for me, but now, I know you lurk here Robert
09:55:48 <arke> robtrob lurks in 28 channels on 3 diferent irc networks
09:55:52 * arke slaps robtrob
09:56:42 <Astrobe> arke: robtrob ???
09:56:55 <arke> robtrob = robert
09:58:20 <Astrobe> alright. So I gotta hunt him thru the whole chatspace  :)
09:59:04 <arke> :)
09:59:14 <arke> hes on EFNet, freenode, and another one that i forgot
10:08:05 <arke> OMFG ROBTROB ACTUALLY GOT A MORE-THAN-200MHZ COMPUTER!!!! :P
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10:10:27 <Herkamire> wow, pyx looks really cool
10:10:35 <Herkamire> http://pyx.sourceforge.net/index.html
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10:24:24 <Robert> I wonder what kind of jumps he was refering to.
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10:39:43 <Robert> Hi
10:43:36 <Herkamire> clearly high jump
10:43:50 <Herkamire> we don't mess around here
10:44:07 <Robert> Eh, right....
10:47:29 <fridge> gha
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10:55:16 <Robert> Hi
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13:03:26 <Robert> Hi
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16:33:23 <tathi> hmm...you know, writing USB drivers would be easier if I took the time to RTFM
16:33:37 <tathi> instead of just assuming that it works the way I think it does.
16:59:37 <tathi> ok...let's try this again...
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18:55:41 * crc wonders if it's possible to create multiple entry points into a word in isforth
19:24:48 <Sonarman> probably not, because you have the cfa field
19:25:04 <Sonarman> well actually
19:25:11 <Sonarman> it should be possible to work around that
19:25:21 <crc> hmm
19:25:30 * crc isn't familiar with dtc :(
19:25:30 <Sonarman> with something like : skip-next-cfa r> 4 + >r ;
19:26:45 <Sonarman> a DOCOLON CF might be more than 4 bytes, me no no
19:27:12 <crc> hmm
19:27:17 * crc doesn't know either
19:27:20 <crc> oh well
19:27:24 <crc> not a big loss
19:27:36 * crc has finally finished retroforth 7.6-beta1 though
19:27:44 <Sonarman> you've given me a challenge
19:27:50 <crc> hehe
19:28:09 <crc> I use multiple entry points frequently, so I like trying to make them work on other forths
19:29:07 <crc> For example:  : variable 0 : variable, create , ;
19:31:27 <crc> saves a fair bit of code space :)
19:32:37 <Sonarman> try this:
19:32:52 <Sonarman> : skip-colon-start r> 8 + >r ;
19:33:12 <Sonarman> er, no
19:33:51 <Sonarman> : skip-colon-start r> 5 + >r ;
19:34:46 <crc> how do I test it?
19:35:51 <Sonarman> sorry, i'm not done
19:36:17 <crc> ok
19:36:52 <Sonarman> : :: compile skip-colon-start  head" ,call nest ] ; immediate
19:37:07 <Sonarman> : foo ." hello" :: bar ." world" ;
19:37:20 <Sonarman> i can't test it myself
19:37:49 <crc> no luck
19:37:52 <Sonarman> aww
19:37:57 <crc> : foo 1 2 :: bar + . cr ;
19:38:05 <crc> foo isn't created it seems :(
19:38:30 <Sonarman> hmm, i think i know why
19:38:53 <Sonarman> : :: compile skip-colon-start  reveal  head" ,call nest ] ; immediate
19:39:02 <Sonarman> that might fix it
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19:39:54 <Sonarman> of course, this will screw things up when you want to call an older version of foo after doing ::
19:40:36 <crc> segfaults :(
19:41:04 <Sonarman> meh
19:42:06 <Sonarman> which, invoking foo or bar, causes it to crash?
19:42:51 <Sonarman> try : skip-colon-start r> 9 + >r ;
19:43:11 <Sonarman> if that doesn't fix it....
19:47:25 <crc> with that neither appear in the dictionary 
19:47:43 <Robert> Good morning
19:48:00 <Sonarman> actually, that ] doesn't need to be in the definition of ]
19:48:02 <Sonarman> morning, Robert
19:48:11 <Sonarman> s/of ]/of ::/
19:49:28 <Robert> Stupid insomnia.
19:49:50 <Sonarman> amen
19:50:34 <crc> no luck
19:50:38 * crc sighs.
19:52:43 <Sonarman> segfault or unfindable?
19:53:08 <crc> unfindable
19:54:03 <Sonarman> both are, right?
19:54:23 <crc> yup
19:54:28 <Sonarman> strange indeed
19:57:16 <Sonarman> : :: compile skip-colon-start  [compile] [ reveal  head" ,call nest ] ; immediate
19:57:46 <Sonarman> if that doesn't work, then i quit for now
19:59:01 <crc> that works!
19:59:07 <Sonarman> sweet
19:59:14 <Sonarman> now, the question is: why the fuck?
19:59:29 <crc> why what?
20:00:05 <Robert> skip-colon-start <-- a very long word. The forth police will hear about this.
20:00:41 <Sonarman> why does adding the call to [ fix it?
20:00:46 <crc> no idea
20:00:59 <Sonarman> s/skip-colon-start/leap/g
20:02:44 <Robert> :)
20:03:21 <Robert> My comment to multiple entry points is still "why bother?"
20:03:38 <crc> more efficient code :)
20:03:43 <crc> Consider these:
20:03:46 <Sonarman> not with this implementation, it ain't
20:03:47 <crc> : variable create 0 , ;
20:03:55 <crc> : variable, create , ;
20:04:03 <crc> With multiple entry points it can be:
20:04:14 <crc> : variable 0 : variable, create , ;
20:04:16 <Sonarman> but dude
20:04:29 <Sonarman> why can't you do
20:04:32 <crc> in isforth, it's pointless though
20:04:36 <Sonarman> : variable, create , ;
20:04:39 <Sonarman> : variable 0 variable, ;
20:05:00 <crc> in retroforth, this is how that would compile down (disassembly)
20:05:07 <crc> variable: call create
20:05:14 <crc> jmp comma
20:05:22 <crc> variable: call dolit
20:05:23 <crc> dd 0
20:05:26 <crc> jmp variable
20:05:36 <Sonarman> ah, i see
20:05:42 <crc> (the first variable should be "variable," and the jmp to that) 
20:05:48 <Sonarman> i thought you were only talking about from a source-code perspective
20:05:52 <crc> With multiple entry points, it'd be:
20:05:58 <crc> variable: call dolit
20:06:00 <crc> dd 0
20:06:04 <crc> call create
20:06:06 <crc> jmp comma
20:06:21 <crc> with a "variable,:" label at "call create"
20:06:30 <crc> no, from a compiled perspective
20:06:45 * crc always considers efficency at both levels
20:08:50 * crc goes to bed now; goodnight all
20:09:16 <Sonarman> night
20:09:37 <crc> (btw, thank you for helping Sonarman)
20:10:12 <Sonarman> np, it was fun :)
20:10:19 <crc> :)
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