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04:18:56 <Robert> Hi saon 
04:19:05 <saon> hello
04:19:19 <saon> and how are you today?
04:19:40 <Robert> Not tired
04:19:51 <Robert> Slept more than 16 hours
04:26:28 <saon> that's good
04:26:36 <saon> i'm off to school soon, blech
04:26:49 <Robert> :(
04:26:52 <Robert> No school for me today
04:27:25 <saon> g2g, later robert
04:27:33 <Robert> Bye!
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05:38:27 <Robert> Hi segher 
05:41:59 <segher> hija
05:42:48 <Robert> You forgot the 'd'
05:48:53 <segher> not.
05:49:00 <segher> i forgot the "ck", instead.
05:50:49 <Robert> :)
05:51:22 <Robert> Interesting, this proves most of IRC consits of arab terrorists in disguise.
05:59:06 <madwork> Robert, salaam!
06:04:48 <Robert> Shalom.
06:04:50 <Robert> *kaboom*
06:13:35 <segher> robert: i am not an arab...
06:14:01 <Robert> Why did you almost write "jihad", then?
06:14:33 <segher> i didn't.  that's just your subconscious that sees it everywhere.
06:19:41 <Robert> Lies, all lies. It's YOU who are bombing us with secret messages.
06:34:36 <madwork> Slalom!
06:35:12 <madwork> http://web.externet.hu/sk/c64/games/s/pics/slalom_.gif
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08:12:03 <I440r_> robert are you there?
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09:20:42 <madwork> I440r_, are you @?
09:21:25 <arke_> madwork: why do you ask?
09:22:48 <madwork> Because I can't tell.
09:25:40 <arke_> noody is @ right now
09:25:45 <arke_> I can @ myself if needed :)
09:26:23 <madwork> Who's noody?
09:29:06 <arke_> s/noody/nobody
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10:01:29 <I440r_> ?
10:01:33 <I440r_> i can be :)
10:01:57 <TheBlueWizard> huh?
10:02:14 <arke_> :)
10:03:02 <madwork> :)
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10:23:38 * TheBlueWizard searches for c64 at www.qvc.com per/ topic, and did not find it
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10:39:20 <madwork> TheBlueWizard, I posted the link to it yesterday.
10:41:55 <TheBlueWizard> ok...I'll look it up then
10:42:19 <madwork> Or just search for "commodore" from the main QVC page.
10:44:39 <madwork> Yes, that site is a bit horrid to navigate.
10:50:02 <TheBlueWizard> hehe...I suspect QVC design its website to "steer" the herd toward hot ticket items (and thus maximize its profit)
10:56:31 <warpzero> why are we discussing QVC here
10:56:55 <madwork> They sell the hackable C64 DTV.
10:57:06 <warpzero> oh right
10:57:30 <TheBlueWizard> I have a fond spot in my heart for C64 :)
11:00:01 <madwork> I'd have a C64 *embedded* in my heart, if possible.
11:05:35 <TheBlueWizard> lol...I can imagine that
11:08:07 <madwork> Except, it would probably take over my body... "but I don't want to play BC's Quest for Tires!" thump-thump LOAD thump-thump "BC*",8 thump ,1
11:09:48 <TheBlueWizard> then your heart will pause for a loooong while as the proggie gets loaded...then it will go into a tachycariac mode!   Ouch! ;)
11:10:32 <madwork> Heh. 
11:11:08 <madwork> Now I want to play BC's Quest for Tires. :-/
11:11:22 <madwork> Must... collect... clamshells.
11:15:01 <TheBlueWizard> ha ha....and I'd need to collect those real heavy coins (50 pounds or more) from Yap Island ;)
11:16:10 <madwork> http://c64.users2.50megs.com/Images/questingam.gif
11:21:56 <TheBlueWizard> hmm...I tried to view that link...and got a 404
11:22:24 <madwork> Strange. Works for me.
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13:14:19 <TheBlueWizard> gotta go...bye all
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14:50:08 <Robert> Hi
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18:05:07 <Herkamire> blist
18:05:17 <Herkamire> hmm... this is not bitlbee
18:05:45 <Herkamire> hi guys :)
18:08:02 <Sonarman> hi Herkamire
18:11:30 <Herkamire> how's things
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18:39:23 * Robert can't sleep tonight either.
18:40:26 <Raystm2> !dlrow ,elloH 
18:42:04 <Robert> !yaR ,iH
18:42:26 <Raystm2> ?pus'
18:43:06 * Robert is reading Moving Forth again
18:43:33 <Raystm2> yes good read.
18:43:48 * Raystm2 needs to read it again and again.
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19:26:11 <Robert> Hi OrngeTide 
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20:21:30 <OrngeTide>  hi robert
20:40:20 <OrngeTide> yay. i got a commodore 64 in a joystick now. and the keyboard and floppy pins are clearly labeled on the PCB. neat:)
20:41:51 <Herkamire> OrngeTide: cool :)
20:41:59 <OrngeTide> http://dtvhacking.info/ .. i think i'll put a keyboard on it this weekend.
20:43:42 <OrngeTide> the floppy port is a bit trickier. it's a c64 IEC drive interface. theoretically you can build some little cable and drive it from a PC. or possibly design some PIC or something to feed data off an MMC flash card
20:44:52 <OrngeTide> not that anyone is interested in 6502 forth.
20:46:25 <OrngeTide> i'd rather build an msp430 based computer that hooked up to a tv. but outputting video at a high enough res to do 64x16 is pretty hard
20:46:47 <OrngeTide> commodore can do it easily. i think it can do 80x23
20:50:33 <Herkamire> 80x23 what?
20:50:35 <Herkamire> pixels?
20:50:37 <OrngeTide> text mode
20:50:40 <Herkamire> oh
20:51:33 <OrngeTide> 64x16 text mode is good for a block editor. but to do software NTSC signal generation you need a pretty fast chip. (you have 52uS per line to plot out 512 pixels if you use an 8 pixel font)
20:52:47 <Herkamire> I googled for "6502 forth" and found some interesting stuff
20:52:48 <OrngeTide> 1uS per pixel. if you are 1 MIPS that's only one instruction per pixel.
20:53:08 <OrngeTide> there are tons of 6502 forths. if you like 16-bit forths on an 8-bit processor.
20:53:58 <OrngeTide> but afaik they are all old. i don't think anyone wants to develop a new 6502 forth. :)
20:56:06 <Herkamire> oh. heh, I didn't even realise it was an 8-bit CPU
20:56:50 <OrngeTide> yea. it's actually a very fun cpu to code on
20:57:08 <Herkamire> cool
20:57:20 <Herkamire> i've only worked on ppc
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20:57:38 <Herkamire> I'd like to play with smaller stuff sometime
20:57:58 <OrngeTide> i mainly work on x86. sometimes arm. i used to work on z80 and 68k. 
20:58:35 <Herkamire> I'm definitely going to have to build a robot sometime
20:59:05 <Herkamire> I looked into PICs a bit. some of those look pretty cool
20:59:39 <OrngeTide> i just have this dream of having a forth workstation that can output on one of those 5" TVs you get from walgreens for $20 and maybe store stuff on one of those MMC flash cards
20:59:52 <OrngeTide> and have the whole thing cost under $100 (hopefully under $50)
20:59:59 <OrngeTide> but so far i have not had much luck.
21:00:14 <Herkamire> cool vision
21:00:26 <Herkamire> maybe this c64 DTV is the missing piece
21:00:31 <OrngeTide> i'm hoping so.
21:00:48 <OrngeTide> they are only $27 on qvc, or $48 if you buy two.
21:01:21 <OrngeTide> some of the games on them are mildly entertaining. but i only got it to hack it.
21:01:32 <Herkamire> :)
21:02:18 <OrngeTide> well I have a second interview at Sun tomorrow. so I've gotta go study for it. ttyl.
21:02:55 <Herkamire> I think I'd probably use an oldish palm pilot as the brains of my robot though
21:03:04 <Herkamire> 'later
21:03:27 <OrngeTide> gumstix is pretty nice. i have one. doesn't give you that many i/os, but many times more i/os than a palmpilot dot.
21:03:30 <OrngeTide> s/dot/does
21:03:59 <OrngeTide> plus it has mmc slot and flash memory and is well documented. unlike palm:(
21:04:49 <OrngeTide> costs a little bit more ($140) but it's about 1/5 the size.
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21:13:23 <Herkamire> seems to me the toughest part is getting these little devices to do good graphics
21:14:23 <Herkamire> I think it might make things easier if there was a seperate processor for the graphics
21:15:21 <Herkamire> but I don't really know enought about this stuff to say
21:16:28 <Herkamire> I really liked that idea kc5tja was using from the amiga I think where the CPU was shared between graphics and general processing
21:17:12 <Herkamire> when it came time to generate signal for the monitor, the CPU would stop exuting on the normal instruction path, and start doing the graphics for that pixel
21:18:39 <Herkamire> so it basically just lowered the effective MIPS of the CPU. Seems very simple to me. No seperate "video memory" or the like
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23:37:07 <fridge> I wondered for a long time when loading games
23:37:16 <fridge> why it made all freaky graphics on the screen
23:37:59 <arke> :)
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