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06:31:15 <Robert> Hi
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07:04:42 <Raystm2> hey Robert: p1 hd crashed on my dedicated colorforth workstation -- installed a new one and looking for old drivers :)
07:05:17 <Robert> Drivers for what?
07:05:24 <Robert> ColorForth or Windows or..?
07:05:54 <Raystm2> windows really -- cuz i wanna get it online in windows too to log chats when i'm gone :)
07:06:18 <Raystm2> and linux too = so really it's my spirimenter box :)
07:07:04 <Raystm2> it's back on the net but i need to update the bios -- the chipset drivers - the video drivers and sound -- 
07:07:15 <Raystm2> get a chat client for it :)
07:07:15 <Robert> Hehe
07:07:37 <Raystm2> I'll be bz for a few days
07:08:57 <Robert> BIOS upgrades can be nasty
07:09:06 <Robert> I got two almost identical P200s
07:09:17 <Raystm2> cool :)
07:09:20 <Robert> But the BIOS in one is a bit older
07:09:27 <Robert> Same computer model and all
07:09:30 <Raystm2> i c
07:09:41 <Raystm2> that's convienient then :)
07:09:55 <Robert> But since it's a bit older, and the BIOS _upgrader_ is also older (so I can't easily install a new version)
07:10:11 <Robert> One of the computers can't deal with HDs larger than 8GB
07:10:24 <Raystm2> oh no kidding hmmm
07:10:42 <Raystm2> but they're networked?
07:10:48 <Raystm2> and the other can ?
07:12:07 <Robert> Yeah
07:12:11 <Robert> The other one == this
07:12:22 <Robert> And the "first one" I got Windows on
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08:39:04 <Robert> Hi fox
09:00:16 <qFox> he
09:00:16 <qFox> y
09:00:20 <Robert> ;-
09:00:20 <Robert> D
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10:05:57 <Robert> Eh.
10:07:34 <qFox> riiiiiight
10:15:41 <Robert> :)
10:15:47 <qFox> oh crap
10:15:56 <qFox> i just got lured into watching a whatshername movie >:(
10:16:05 <Robert> Who?
10:16:28 <qFox> eh
10:16:31 <qFox> maguire
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10:16:44 <qFox> lizzy macfuckingguire
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10:17:04 <qFox> was masquaraded as a cinderella story :p
10:18:41 <qFox> whats her story anyways. doughter of some rich dude?
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10:22:29 <Robert> Eh, never heard of her
10:22:58 <qFox> lizzy maguire?
10:23:50 <Robert> Right
10:23:52 <qFox> dunno, she's a teenage moviestarkinda thing. also scored some minor hits in holland
10:24:09 <qFox> not sure how she manages that though :p
10:25:22 <qFox> oh yeah, and has a show too. movies, and all about her. 
10:25:36 <qFox> its like... too strange to not have a rich parent or two :p
10:26:01 <Robert> heh
10:26:11 <qFox> but she's a nobody in sweden?
10:26:22 <Robert> How could I know?
10:26:40 <qFox> i dunno. you cant really get around her in here
10:26:58 <Robert> I bet I could
10:27:24 <qFox> sure. if you dont watch tv or radio...
10:27:41 <Robert> I watch radio a lot!
10:27:47 <Robert> But only the telegraphy bands
10:27:59 <qFox> :p
10:29:04 <Robert> Doesn't seem like I miss a lot of importance, anyway
10:30:18 <qFox> hm. know the fullhouse twins?
10:30:49 <Robert> No?
10:31:05 <qFox> dude
10:31:09 <Robert> What?
10:31:10 <qFox> evillllll
10:31:14 <Robert> Hm?
10:31:27 <qFox> you're hopeless
10:31:33 <qFox> or maybe just happy :p
10:32:48 <Robert> Neither
10:33:12 <qFox> fine. google for lizzy, google for maguire, google for olsin twins
10:33:19 <qFox> count the hits, feel the burn.
10:33:20 <qFox> :p
10:35:39 <Robert> Oh, quiet.
10:37:18 <Robert> Argh!
10:37:32 <Robert> There's some idiot whose playlist IRC script keeps flooding me in priv
10:37:37 <qFox> ignore?
10:37:39 <Robert> Even though I'm not even in the same channel
10:37:45 <qFox> ig-nore
10:37:48 <Robert> Hm, good idea.
10:37:56 <Robert> But still, such idiots shouldn't be on IRC
10:38:02 <qFox> agreed
10:39:11 * qFox still watching the movie
10:39:15 * qFox = weak
10:39:16 <Robert> Sinner.
10:49:34 <qFox> hm. pity the movie actually resembles the movietitle. it gets even more predictable then your average chickflick
10:51:44 <Robert> Heh
10:52:48 <qFox> now
10:52:50 <qFox> the only question
10:52:53 <qFox> what will she leave behind
10:52:55 <qFox> ;)
10:53:13 <qFox> oh
10:53:18 <qFox> lol, well the name is hillary duff
10:53:22 <qFox> does that ringabell?
10:53:46 <qFox> ohwell
10:53:58 <qFox> ah, her cellphone
10:54:01 <qFox> now why is that no surprise? :p
10:54:38 <Robert> Well, I've heard of Hilary Clinton
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10:54:45 <qFox> hm. not even close ;)
10:54:50 <Robert> :(
10:56:12 <qFox> wtf... you like seeing hilary clinton?
10:56:14 <qFox> :\
10:57:10 <Robert> Hah
10:57:22 <Robert> Obviously Bill didn't enjoy her enough.
10:57:30 <qFox> so uhm, lets sum this up
10:58:40 <qFox> you never heard of lizzy maguire (ok fair enough, thats a show), you never heard of the olsen twins, nor of the full house twins (same), and not of hilary duff?
10:58:47 <qFox> hrm
10:58:48 <qFox> :p
10:58:58 <Robert> What?
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10:59:05 <Robert> I'm a Forther, damn it!
10:59:13 <qFox> lol? :)
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11:04:41 <Robert> retrobot2: : qFox ." HELLO, I KNOW A BILLION MOVIE STARS BUT REFUSE TO ADMIT THE WORLD IS ROUND" ; qFox
11:04:43 <retrobot2> Robert: 1 
11:04:46 <Robert> wtf
11:04:58 <qFox> what do you mean, admit?
11:04:59 <Robert> Stupid bot
11:05:12 <qFox> the world is not round...
11:05:23 <qFox> its x-edged.
11:05:25 <Robert> I know, it's a square.
11:05:36 <qFox> like a 4 sided sphere, except, a few more sides
11:05:37 <qFox> ;)
11:05:52 <Robert> Forth built the earth.
11:06:00 <qFox> haha, day 1...
11:06:04 <Robert> Hm.. one should start a religion based on Forth.
11:06:05 <qFox> or was that day 2
11:06:16 <Robert> And not just what Chuck is doing
11:06:30 <Robert> But make people seriously believe that Forth is behind the universe
11:07:41 <qFox> uhm... yeah.. sure?
11:07:55 <Robert> Yeah.
11:08:04 <Robert> Would be a nice way to demonstrate your brainwashing skills on.
11:08:27 <qFox> brainwash... bad?
11:08:40 <Robert> Anyway... I should continue converting tforth to hashed dictionaries and FASM.
11:08:47 <qFox> you should
11:09:49 <qFox> then, you should convert them back
11:09:53 <qFox> delete the original sources
11:09:57 <qFox> and convert them back
11:10:20 <qFox> and repeat until dead.
11:11:13 <Robert> Good idea!
11:11:24 <Robert> (that won't take long if I make that to my hobby..)
11:11:41 <qFox> what, converting?
11:11:44 <qFox> i guess so
11:11:49 <Robert> Yeah..
11:12:24 * Robert is reconsidering his G system Forth.
11:12:36 <Robert> I don't know how to do with threading/optimizations... :/
11:12:49 <qFox> neither do i
11:12:51 <qFox> :p
11:13:06 <Robert> Bah.
11:13:11 <Robert> How supportive...
11:13:24 <qFox> luckily winforth has one built in :D
11:18:21 <qFox> cant you ehm
11:18:37 <qFox> when a word has been compiled, do some kind of optimization
11:18:43 <qFox> (heck if i know)
11:19:18 <qFox> dont you just love the obvious ;)
11:20:13 <Robert> :D
11:20:49 <Robert> You're not as stupid as you sound. Compiled ITC looks much like the intermediate form of my current optimizer.
11:22:16 <qFox> enough with the smarttalk
11:22:17 <qFox> :p
11:23:44 * Robert pats qFox 
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11:31:16 <qFox> i noticed that when you compile words, and you look at the source (asm), there's always the possibility for optimization. like two swaps etc
11:31:24 <qFox> dup drop
11:31:31 <qFox> (and yes, bigger things ;)
11:32:22 <Robert> Hehe
11:32:23 <Robert> Yeah..
11:32:43 <Robert> That too.
11:32:55 <Robert> And then there's stuff on the asm level too
11:33:13 <qFox> i was talking about the asm level? ;)
11:33:20 <Robert> Nah
11:33:23 <qFox> haw.
11:33:28 <Robert> That's a bit more high-level
11:33:39 <qFox> well, not in a machine forth environment
11:33:43 <Robert> I was thinking about stuff like pipelinig
11:33:54 <Robert> Processor-specific crap
11:34:00 <qFox> hmhm
11:34:11 <qFox> but yeah, i guess on the x86 asm level too ;)
11:34:12 <Robert> Things that don't even have any meaning in Forth.
11:34:26 <qFox> same deal anyways. push pop
11:36:01 <qFox> but on the fly optimization, now there's a whole other level of leetness ;)
11:37:07 <qFox> hm. i have my code running now. but i have a problem i cant tackle and  ineed to quit...
11:37:30 <Robert> What code?
11:37:50 <qFox> hm. right now its nothing actually :)
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11:38:42 <Robert> What's it supposed to do?
11:38:45 <qFox> dont feel like explaining. too complicated
11:40:44 <Robert> :(
11:40:54 <Robert> You're trying to make me curious
11:41:25 <qFox> hm not on purpose
11:41:39 <Robert> Lies, I know the conspiracy is behind it all!
11:41:39 <qFox> big brother is watching me though.
11:41:46 <Robert> She is?
11:42:06 <qFox> yar
11:42:48 <qFox> just because the topic doesnt say so anymore, doesnt mean its not so ;)
11:43:22 * Robert launches Red Alert
11:43:31 <Robert> Been a long time since I last G4YM3D.
11:43:34 <qFox> haw
11:43:40 <qFox> gl getting slaughtered
11:43:44 <Robert> Who?
11:43:47 <qFox> you
11:44:26 <Robert> I thought someone called "gl" was getting slaughtered.
11:44:35 <Robert> Oh, well, thanks
11:50:33 <qFox> hm, never imagined taking input would be so easy to do in win32forth
11:50:43 <qFox> : hoofdlus ( -- )
11:50:43 <qFox>   begin
11:50:43 <qFox>     inpadr @ 255 accept
11:50:43 <qFox>     dup inplen !
11:50:43 <qFox>   while
11:50:43 <qFox>     inpadr @ inplen @ verwerkzin
11:50:45 <qFox>   repeat
11:50:47 <qFox> ;
11:51:09 <Robert> Is that Dutch or Alice from wonderland on crack?
11:51:20 <Robert> It's nice, anyway.
11:51:23 <qFox> i'll take Dutch for 300
11:51:37 <Robert> (not the word names, but the input)
11:51:45 <qFox> either.
11:52:08 <Herkamire> Alice in Wonderland _is_ a drug trip
11:52:37 <Robert> Not on crack, though, so no Dutch in there.
11:53:21 <Raystm2> curiouser and curiouser
11:55:16 <qFox> hm. and then i broke it
11:55:21 <qFox> if only i knew how...
11:56:54 <qFox> huh... it suddenly borks when giving input?
11:56:54 <qFox> :\
11:57:54 <qFox> oh, eh, lol
11:58:00 <Herkamire> what's the c64 in a joystick thing called?
11:58:19 <Herkamire> I can't find anything like that on qvc.com without a name
12:00:44 <Raystm2> Herkamire: your gonna have to ask thinfu: commadore 64  emulator joy stick thingy is the best I can come up with.
12:07:29 <A-Day> excuse me, does anyone know of any channels that cover microcontrollers? i've tried googling and failed...
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12:12:22 <Raystm2> A-Day: have you tried the command " /list " to get a listing of channels on this irc.freenode.net -- then try again with other channels ?
12:12:49 <Raystm2> Hi tathi :0
12:13:21 <tathi> Hi Raystm2 
12:14:07 <Herkamire> wow :) someone is making a music player device that will support "ogg" http://www.commodore.net/Site/DesktopDefault.aspx?tabindex=5&tabid=45&itemid=2&sitemid=9&prod=13&cat=1
12:14:36 <tathi> I've been waiting for one of those :)
12:15:06 <tathi> Herkamire: I just committed the changes to herkforth from over Thanksgiving.
12:15:12 <Herkamire> yay :)
12:15:50 <tathi> Sorry about that.
12:18:32 <Herkamire> looks like you didn't commit your new ed-go-to-key feature though
12:18:39 <tathi> no.
12:18:50 <tathi> I was doing some work the day you were driving back
12:18:54 <tathi> and got tired of not having version control.
12:19:00 <tathi> So I checked it into my local repository.
12:19:22 <tathi> And...now it doesn't boot :(
12:19:43 <A-Day> Raystm2: i did "/help " and "/list" is not listed. am i doing something wrong? is it my client? sorry for my ignorance...
12:19:46 <Herkamire> yeah, I was figuring I'd have to debug the new of-call code
12:19:56 <tathi> oh duh.
12:20:19 <tathi> I forgot about that.
12:20:29 * tathi was thinking he broke it somehow :)
12:22:39 <tathi> Well then...let me copy it over and check it in...
12:23:45 <Raystm2> A-Day: prob'ly your client -- let me try for you -- your looking for channels that cover microcontrollers?
12:24:31 <Raystm2> A-Day: I can filter the search for key words so if you think of any just let me know.
12:24:40 <Herkamire> yeah, of-call seems to be crashing
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12:27:01 <madwork> C64 DTV
12:27:06 <madwork> "Commodore"
12:27:07 <A-Day> Raystm2: Thank you so much! I'll also try and get a better client. Search terms: MCU microcontroller AVR PIC
12:27:12 <madwork> "Direct-to-TV"
12:27:31 <tathi> Herkamire: ok, committed ed-go-to-key.
12:27:44 <madwork> Spell Commodore wrong again... and DIE!!
12:27:57 <Herkamire> found one bug. now it's running (under pearpc) but seems like an infinite loop, or maybe stdin/stdout don't work
12:28:05 <Herkamire> tathi: cool :)
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12:28:57 <raystm22_> A-Day: haha my other client died on the search :)
12:29:05 <A-Day> lol
12:30:37 <raystm22_> ill retry on this on :)
12:30:57 <A-Day> yay, thank you
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12:31:20 <tathi> :)
12:31:58 <A-Day> i wonder if that quit was intentional...
12:31:59 <Raystm2> it's the client -- some system violation in the process.
12:32:02 <Raystm2> no 
12:32:13 <Raystm2> not intentionall see -- its comming back now
12:32:34 <A-Day> 8-)
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12:33:01 <Raystm2> stupid windows visual irs 2.0
12:33:13 <Raystm2> irc even -- 
12:33:18 <A-Day> humph
12:33:20 <Raystm2> it worked the other day
12:33:26 <madwork> Virtual IRS... that's a scary thought.
12:33:44 <A-Day> they collect taxes virtually
12:34:22 <Raystm2> maybe i need an update of the software -- cuz I just rebuilt both these harddrives on both these machines -- checking for updates
12:34:58 <madwork> C64 DTV link: http://www.qvc.com/asp/frameset.asp?class=2039&tmp=hp&cont=sn
12:35:13 <A-Day> oh shucks
12:35:20 <tathi> A-Day: here's what I get from /list: http://qualdan.com/misc/irc.freenode.net-2004-11-30
12:35:36 <A-Day> !
12:35:45 <Raystm2> its a heck of a list -- got 500 channels in a second before crash.
12:35:51 <A-Day> haha
12:36:07 <A-Day> i couldn't find anything ( but then again that was by trial and error )
12:36:14 <holden> I don't think you can get a complete list
12:36:20 <Raystm2> thanks tathi :)
12:36:35 <holden> I think there is an option to hide each channel from /list
12:37:19 <Raystm2> yah and they can be filtered too by entering filters but i didn't do that-
12:37:23 <tathi> holden: well...I know channels which need a password or invite to join don't show up.
12:37:30 <tathi> Unless you're in that channel...
12:38:08 <Raystm2> thats a pretty good list tathi :) thanks again :)
12:38:22 <A-Day> tathi: could you retry your search just with the search term "microcontroller" please? i couldn't find anything in your listing regarding microcontrollers...
12:38:37 <tathi> A-Day: that's all the information the server will give you AFAIK.
12:38:47 <tathi> channel name, # users, and channel topic.
12:39:25 <A-Day> oh my. thanks for your efforts tathi :)
12:40:09 <Raystm2> yeah A-Day: like I said you could filter but I don't know how either - try searching the page with a find feature -- cuz that's all that's on the freenode. there are other nodes too. :)
12:40:18 <tathi> have you tried looking on the web...?
12:40:25 <holden> I see a #micro but the topic doesn't make it clear what it's about
12:40:26 <A-Day> i've tried googling and failed
12:40:27 <tathi> there ARE other irc networks.
12:40:34 <holden> What exactly are you looking for?
12:40:47 <Raystm2> A-Day: you might like to start a list :)
12:41:04 <Raystm2> or a chat i meen
12:41:05 <A-Day> tathi: (14:40:04) The topic for #micro is: Alguns wallpapers 3d -> http://container.box23.de/gallery/index.php?cat=10
12:41:09 <Raystm2> mean i mean
12:41:24 <A-Day> Raystm2: yes, i have started #MCU
12:41:37 <Raystm2> cool :)
12:42:20 <A-Day> :) except i an noob and i don't know how to be a good op, but maybe at least someone will say something useful
12:43:34 <Raystm2> you'll get lots of help and also the irchelp.org is good too 
12:43:38 <A-Day> holden: i'd really like to find a channel on PICs, AVRs, x51, x86, or bascially ANYTHING dealing with microcontrollers
12:44:01 <holden> #electronics and #hardware look like they might be somewhat useful
12:44:15 <A-Day> tathi: any suggestions for me? what other irc netowrks do you think would be useful?
12:44:33 <A-Day> holden: thanks a lot! i'm great at missing the obvious!
12:44:43 <A-Day> holden: and that was sincere, btw
12:45:05 <Raystm2> you might like to join this chat -- and also #concatenative -- #c4th-ot -- because i see those guys talk about it from time to time -- make sure you post your new #MCA on comp.lang.forth to get some ppl in :)
12:45:11 <holden> I'm using an IRC client which makes searching through the topics really easy
12:45:51 <Raystm2> holden what client ?
12:45:57 <holden> Crikey!
12:45:59 <A-Day> holden: please tell me, what client are you using?
12:46:07 <holden> Mac OS X only though
12:46:15 <Raystm2> :)
12:46:16 <A-Day> to leet for me :)
12:46:20 <Raystm2> ahaha
12:46:22 <holden> http://www.hiddenmemory.co.uk/
12:46:54 <tathi> Ah, "Crikey!" is the name :)
12:47:02 <holden> Yep :)
12:47:11 * tathi was wondering what you were exclaiming about :-P
12:47:24 <Raystm2> Crikey!! my wife wants to watch a dvd on this machine so .........
12:47:48 <A-Day> holden: sure, just torture me. ooo, i have a cool mac and guess who doesn't? you don't! hahahaha!!!
12:47:57 <holden> You just made me choke on my drink
12:48:06 <Raystm2> hehe
12:48:08 <A-Day> lol
12:48:37 <Raystm2> she's still picking which one
12:49:57 <A-Day> well thanks everyone! now i can go bug the folks at #hardware and #electronics! and i really should get on getting a better client... goodbye for now
12:50:14 <Raystm2> bye nice to meat ya :)
12:52:39 <Raystm2> see ya -- wifey picked Basic with JTravolta -- 90 minutes Raystm2 free starting now :)
12:56:06 <A-Day> nice meeting you too Raystm2 :)
12:57:41 <qFox> basic was a good movie
12:57:52 <Robert> BASIC was a good language
12:57:57 <Robert> And my sister just mentioned Travolta
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14:56:03 <Robert> Hi ows 
14:59:52 <ows> Hi
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16:58:19 <Robert> Hi, binary guy.
16:58:48 <binaryguy> hi Robert
16:59:07 <binaryguy> hi all
16:59:16 <Robert> Hrm, this isn't supposed to happen...
16:59:17 <arke> hi.
16:59:20 <Robert> The assembler halts.
16:59:38 <arke> binaryguy: there are 10 types of people in the world. Which kind are you? :)
17:00:04 <binaryguy> a newbie waster!
17:00:15 <Robert> I think base 4 is way too unpopular.
17:00:19 <Robert> We should use it more.
17:00:33 <Robert> Perhaps all my Forths should use it by default.
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17:04:56 <Robert> Hi Sonarman 
17:05:33 <Sonarman> hi
17:06:03 <arke> Hi Sonarman Robert 
17:06:08 <arke> robtrob t3h pzned
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17:11:12 * crc plays with base 4...
17:11:18 <crc> rather interesting actually
17:11:24 <Sonarman> DNA
17:11:33 <arke> Sonarman: :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
17:12:08 <Sonarman> what's interesting about it, crc?
17:12:42 <crc> I like playing with odd bases ;-)
17:13:08 <crc> like base 98.
17:13:09 <crc> 12345 $45 + .
17:13:10 <crc> 1234í
17:13:20 <Robert> Heh
17:13:21 <Sonarman> hehe
17:13:23 <crc> The results are fun to look at
17:13:24 <arke> :)
17:13:24 <crc> :-)
17:13:31 <Robert> Here's an odd base for you.
17:13:37 <arke> NOOO NO SMILEYS WITH NOISES
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17:13:48 * arke threatens crc
17:13:50 <arke> :)
17:13:55 <Sonarman> :oI
17:13:57 <Robert> First digit is multiplied by 1. Second by 2. Third by 2*3, fourth by 2*3*5, fifth by 2*3*5*7, etc.
17:14:10 <crc> ?
17:14:23 <arke> fibbonaci base lol
17:14:28 <Robert> Nope.
17:14:30 <Robert> Prime base!
17:14:37 <crc> arke: :-) :-) ;-) ;-) :-) :-)
17:14:38 <arke> ...oh
17:14:39 <arke> lol
17:14:39 <arke> :)
17:14:56 <crc> 3 base !
17:14:57 <crc> 12 2 + .
17:14:57 <crc> 21
17:14:58 <crc> :-)
17:15:34 <Robert> Hehe.
17:15:48 <Robert> Base e!
17:15:57 <arke> hehe
17:16:08 <crc> e ?
17:16:08 <arke> hrm
17:16:11 <arke> base 1? :)
17:16:20 <arke> that would just be counting
17:16:22 <arke> 0 = 0
17:16:24 <arke> 00 = 1
17:16:26 <arke> 000 = 2
17:16:28 <arke> etc. :)
17:16:49 <crc> base 1 doesn't work in retroforth
17:17:00 <Robert> Heh
17:17:09 <Robert> I wonder if you could make base e somewhat useful.
17:17:21 <crc> Is that a whole number?
17:17:24 <Robert> On a computer.
17:17:28 <Robert> Nope, it's irrational. ;)
17:17:34 * crc has no support for non-integer values
17:17:36 <Sonarman> could pi be represented rationally using base e?
17:17:42 <Raystm2> speaking of irational is thinfu here ?
17:17:50 <Robert> Sonarman: Probably not, but...give it a try.
17:17:56 <Robert> Raystm2: Haha. :)
17:18:00 <crc> Raystm2: nope
17:18:19 <arke> Sonarman: maybe e^3 :)
17:18:22 <arke> or something
17:18:23 <arke> :L)
17:19:30 <Robert> Heh.
17:19:54 <arke> hehe
17:19:59 <arke> base fibonacci! :)
17:20:19 <Robert> How many different digits would a base e number contain? 2.7..? :)
17:20:37 <arke> 1.4? :)
17:21:07 <Robert> Perhaps a variable number for each power
17:21:16 <arke> :)
17:21:19 <arke> yep
17:21:21 <Robert> Averaging to e
17:21:24 <arke> hehe.
17:21:24 <arke> :)
17:21:27 <Robert> This could be interesting...
17:21:40 <Robert> Maybe one should make StupidForth implementing some of these ideas.
17:22:36 * crc considers making a "light" version of RetroForth
17:22:46 <arke> crc: wtf
17:22:46 <arke> lol
17:22:56 <arke> crc: retroforth is almost as light as colorforth lol
17:22:59 <crc> arke: I'd strip out everything that *I* don't use
17:23:12 <crc> arke: retroforth is lighter than colorforth IIRC
17:23:21 <arke> hehe.
17:23:21 <arke> :)
17:24:44 * crc could remove: */ /mod 2swap 2over +!
17:25:03 <crc> Not much that I don't use really...
17:25:33 <crc> I guess I'll just leave them in :)
17:25:53 <crc> see -----------------------------^
17:26:06 <arke> you dont need 2swap or 2over
17:26:08 <arke> but leave the others
17:26:11 <Robert> Or write a big and complex system to allow users to pick what they want.
17:26:29 <arke> drop / and * and replace it with */mod only
17:26:39 <Sonarman> dpkg for retroforth!
17:26:42 <arke> err
17:26:44 <arke> :)
17:26:44 <Sonarman> apt-get install 2dup
17:26:47 <arke>  /*
17:26:51 <arke> haha :)
17:26:52 <Robert> Yep!
17:26:58 <Robert> Hmm..
17:27:06 <Robert> That would be a neat feature, Sonarman.
17:27:11 <Robert> Being able to do that from within a Forth.
17:27:17 <Robert> "install 2dup" or whatever.
17:27:27 <Sonarman> apt-get install blocks floats strings
17:28:08 <Robert> I should implement that in isForth.
17:28:19 <arke> Robert: or, you should not use isforth :)
17:28:23 <arke> <_<
17:28:24 <arke> >_>
17:28:25 <Sonarman> you'll need to write a DNS resolver first, of course
17:28:26 <arke> ^_^
17:28:29 <crc> Too many of my users rely on 2swap and 2over though
17:28:31 <Robert> Sonarman: Shut up!
17:28:36 <arke> crc: ...
17:28:39 <arke> crc: you're kidding
17:28:40 <crc> arke: NO!
17:29:03 <arke> crc: I think you should rather add something to have it say when a word is not found
17:29:04 <Robert> What does 2swap do?  ( a b c d -- c d a b )  ?
17:29:11 <arke> Robert: yup
17:29:37 <crc>  2swap      (a b c d - c d a b)     Swap the top four numbers on stack
17:29:37 <crc>  2over      (a b c d - a b c d a b) Over two numbers on stack
17:29:58 <arke> abominations in my mind :)
17:30:06 <crc> I don't like them myself
17:30:26 <arke> crc: could you PLEEASE add errors to retroforth? pleeeaaaassseee??? :) 
17:30:33 <arke> crc: I know that if I do it you won't like it.
17:30:39 <crc> what kind of errors?
17:31:05 <crc> you mean error checking?
17:31:14 <arke> crc: : foo blah ;
17:31:24 <arke> in retroforth, it will compile foo to do nothing
17:31:25 <crc> blah?
17:31:29 <crc> So?
17:31:33 <arke> in another forth, it would say "blah ?"
17:31:37 <arke> and abort compilation of foo
17:31:47 <crc> : foo blah ;
17:31:47 <crc> blah?
17:32:04 <crc> In 7.5 and above it shows the error and continues compiling
17:32:26 <crc> If I stop the compile, you'll have a word that can't exit in the dictionary
17:32:36 <crc> (It's a pain to remove words once they're created)
17:33:48 <arke> crc: hehe, do you have FORGET in rf?
17:33:52 <crc> No
17:34:02 <crc> Why would you need to FORGET a word?
17:34:51 <crc> You can save/restore the dictionary to a known point with some trickery though:
17:34:51 <crc> 0 constant mlast
17:34:51 <crc> 0 constant flast
17:34:51 <crc> 0 constant oldh0
17:34:51 <crc> : restore macro mlast last @ ! forth flast last @ ! oldh0 @ h0 ! ;
17:34:51 <crc> : save macro last @ @ ['] mlast 5 + ! forth last @ @ ['] flast 5 + ! here ['] oldh0 ! ;
17:34:54 <crc> save
17:35:22 <arke> you should have EMPTY MARK UNMARK
17:35:28 <crc> Use 'save' to save the current dictionary state,  'restore' to fall back to it
17:35:31 <crc> arke: why?
17:35:48 <crc> arke: save and restore aren't part of the main system anyway
17:35:59 <arke> that way, you MARK the dictionary at the start, then simply UNMARK on error, and "DELETEMARK" on successful
17:36:04 <arke> just an ide a:)
17:36:12 <crc> That complicates it too much
17:36:27 <arke> well, whatever, it doesnt matter that it keeps compiling, as long as it gives me an error :)
17:36:30 <crc> If you make an error, define a new version of the word
17:36:46 <crc> arke: from now on you'll know if there's an error :-)
17:36:57 <arke> yay
17:37:03 <arke> 7.5 out yet, or no?
17:37:16 <crc> It's been out for over a month!
17:37:22 <crc> http://retroforth.org/release
17:37:27 <crc> We're at 7.5.1 now
17:37:32 <arke> oopts :)
17:37:41 <crc> 7.6 coming January 1st (assuming all goes well)
17:38:29 <crc> There's a "word_not_found" routine in the assembly; you could hack that if you wanted to.
17:38:44 <arke> naah
17:38:44 <arke> :)
17:38:50 <arke> I was just being pedantic
17:39:07 <arke> as long as it shows me, I think its actually better that it keeps going, that way i see them all not just one at a time
17:39:10 <arke>  :)
17:39:38 <crc> ;-)
17:54:01 <Sonarman> on the subject of e and number bases:
17:56:10 <Robert> ...yes?
17:56:11 <Sonarman> how is it proven that e is the minimum point when x>1 for the graph of: y = x * (log base x of N), where N is any positive number > 1
17:58:45 <Robert> You mean the minimum point of  y = x*log x? 
17:59:06 <Robert> That expression of yours is a little bit confusing.
18:00:30 <Sonarman> That function calculates the "efficiency" (defined as the number of possible digits * the number of digits required for a given number) of a base 'x' 
18:00:42 <Robert> Don't you mean the ratio of number of digits of a number, vs the number of different digits in the base?
18:00:59 <Sonarman> yeah, s/ratio/product
18:01:19 <Robert> Why the product?
18:01:35 <Sonarman> the product measures the efficiency
18:01:50 <Robert> Ah, right.
18:02:28 <Sonarman> do you know how to prove it algebraically?
18:04:21 <Robert> Yes
18:04:28 <Robert> (now I do ;)
18:04:31 <Sonarman> hmm, it's equivalent to y=x/log(x)
18:04:35 <Robert> Yes
18:04:54 <Robert> The derivative of that is (ln x - 1) / (ln x)^2
18:05:02 <Robert> And since ln e = 1...
18:05:12 <Sonarman> uh-oh
18:05:14 <Sonarman> calculus
18:05:49 <Robert> Oh, come on.
18:05:51 <Sonarman> stupid slow-ass American education
18:06:00 <Robert> Pfft, sure, blame THEM!
18:06:17 <Sonarman> blaming others: it's the American way
18:06:27 <Robert> ;-D
18:06:38 <Robert> Try to find another way to prove it, if you can.
18:07:53 <Sonarman> how did you find the derivative? just a quick summary (not an explanation) of the procedure, as a peek at how it's done
18:08:47 <Robert> d/dx (f/g) = g*(df/dx) - f*(dg/dx)) / g
18:08:51 <Robert> d/dx (f/g) = (g*(df/dx) - f*(dg/dx)) / g^2
18:08:57 <Robert> (sorry, premature "return")
18:09:21 <Robert> I happend to remember that
18:09:33 <Robert> You can derive it from the product rule as well.
18:09:41 <Sonarman> interesting
18:10:04 <Robert> d/dx h*g = h*(dg/dx) + g*(dh/dx)
18:10:08 <Robert> Where h = 1/f
18:10:26 <Robert> Give it a shot if you wish. Perhaps you can use limits to prove it, as well. ;)
18:10:39 <Robert> Or better yet - geometric reasoning!
18:10:47 <Robert> For the greeks and the insane.
18:11:31 <Sonarman> :D
18:11:41 * Robert is getting slightly annoyed at FASM. Some macro features won't work with stuff in different sections.
18:12:04 <Robert> Anyway, using base e could be an interesting experience. Give it a try.
18:12:35 <Sonarman> it's like the geek version of taking acid
18:13:10 <Sonarman> oh, and thanks for the info, btw
18:13:15 <Robert> No problem.
18:13:29 <Robert> And a side note: the Swedish system does the same.
18:13:36 <Robert> I had to research that stuff on my own as well.
18:13:56 <Sonarman> :)
18:15:28 <crc> who broke retrobot2 this time??
18:15:38 <Robert> It was broken when it joined.
18:15:42 <Robert> I SWEAR
18:16:01 * Sonarman administers the serum to Robert
18:16:26 <Robert> The LSD calculus base e serium?
18:16:33 <Robert> er, serum
18:16:47 <Sonarman> with a touch of FASM
18:16:52 <Robert> Oh no!
18:17:08 <Sonarman> and some GNU AS
18:17:18 <Robert> A$$EMBL3R
18:17:21 <Sonarman> to torture you should you lie to us
18:18:22 * crc sighs. I fixed it
18:18:29 <crc> I'll have to add a 
18:18:54 <crc> I'll have to add an "auto-ban" feature for those who break it ;-)
18:19:10 <Robert> crc: Hey, I'm telling the truth this time.
18:19:23 <Robert> That bot IS messed up.
18:19:30 <Robert> And I'm not to blame today
18:19:47 <crc> retrobot2: ." I've been healed!"
18:19:48 <retrobot2> crc: I've been healed!
18:20:13 <crc> I'm not digging through the bot's logs this time
18:20:35 * crc won't blame anyone today
18:20:38 <Robert> Hah.
18:20:49 <Robert> Nobody believes I'm innocent. :~(
18:22:58 <crc> Robert didn't totally mess it up:
18:22:58 <crc> <Robert>	retrobot2: : 0 1 ; 0 .	17:41:34
18:23:08 <crc> (from a couple days ago)
18:23:19 <crc> it still worked after that.
18:23:46 <crc> *note to all: don't test a word on the same line you define it on*
18:24:09 <Robert> Oh, OK.
18:24:21 <Robert> Then maybe I'm guilty, after all!
18:24:24 * Robert dies in shame.
18:24:48 <crc> Robert: you just made it say "1" before executing more code
18:25:00 <crc> A minor irritant; not serious
18:26:22 * crc wonders if qfox was to blame. His ": 0 1 ; : 1 0 ; : 0 1 ;" stuff could have messed up the bot's memory
18:26:30 <Robert> Hehehe
18:27:02 <Sonarman> hehe
18:27:39 <arke> :)
18:36:28 <crc> time for bed
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19:07:33 <Herkamire> bummer, that music player device I saw advertised on commodore.net as supporting "ogg" does not mention ogg in the tech specs (although it does list 6 other supported formats)
19:07:46 <Herkamire> or maybe 5
19:07:48 <Herkamire> anyway
19:08:07 <Herkamire> looks like a really cool divice though
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19:08:43 <Herkamire> says it can be a usb host or slave, and mentioned something vague in the blurb about being able to download pictures from a camera or something (possibly without the computer)
19:09:08 <Herkamire> that would be a cool feature
19:09:46 <Herkamire> if there was a little music device like that that supported ogg vorbis and ogg speex I might get one
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20:03:46 <Robert> Hi again, Wizard
20:04:09 <TheBlueWizard> hiya Robert :)  I got disconnected by my ISP
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20:06:38 <Robert> ISPs can be evil.
20:07:42 * TheBlueWizard nodsnodsnods...though he thinks that in his case, jis ISP is just incompetent
20:08:02 <Robert> Hehe, yeah, don't confuse evil with incompetence!
20:08:17 <TheBlueWizard> :)
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21:09:53 <OrngeTide> hio
21:10:48 <OrngeTide> has anyone heard of a self hosting forth on a PIC or ubicom SX chip?
21:11:48 <Robert> Uhm... what's the Forth supposed to do?
21:12:32 <OrngeTide> this is also fun. an fpu for PIC. http://www.parallax.com/detail.asp?product_id=604-00030a .. also does 32-bit integer operations. i think you could almost run forth on this fpu. :P
21:12:34 <Robert> Considering those things can't run code from RAM/EEPROM... Some kind of token threading?
21:12:41 <Robert> Heh!
21:12:51 <OrngeTide> yea. you'd have to. 
21:13:14 <Robert> I've been implementing machineforthish (not exactly the same) VMs for AVR and PIC.
21:13:18 <OrngeTide> basically i'm thinking you'd write the inner interpretor in pic/sx. and twiddle the bits of an SRAM/Flash to read your data out.
21:13:33 <OrngeTide> Robert, hrm. maybe I should look into AVR or MSP430 instead.
21:13:40 <Robert> But the only complete Forth compiler I wrote was for the AVR.
21:13:49 <Robert> Since the PICs I got are a little memory starved
21:13:52 <OrngeTide> was it self hosting on AVR?
21:13:56 <Robert> And AVR is less of a pain in the ass.
21:13:58 <Robert> Yeah.
21:14:03 <Robert> Runs inside a VM
21:14:17 <Robert> Was working at a better version, including an editor and all.
21:14:23 <Robert> But got tired of that.
21:14:25 <OrngeTide> MSP430 is super simple too. it's actually even more "normal" than AVR. it's kind of like a pdp-11 clone:)
21:14:47 <Robert> Never used any PDP-11.
21:14:54 <Robert> Or MSP430 for that matter
21:15:13 <OrngeTide> neat. i'm thinking of doing some kind of tiny project with an mcu connected to a tv monitor (i noticed that PICs and SX can generate NTSC monochrome signals pretty easily)
21:15:28 <OrngeTide> oh. you should check out msp430. it's pretty forth and c friendly. 
21:15:39 <OrngeTide> it's 16-bit though. dunno if that's too many bits for you. :)
21:15:45 <Robert> Haha
21:15:52 <OrngeTide> msp430 is mainly useful if you have a naked LCD that you want to drive, since it can directly use them.
21:16:16 <Robert> Well, I was thinking about output devices for my next computer project.
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21:16:26 <Robert> Perhaps I'll go with this matrix printer. :)
21:16:39 <OrngeTide> the multiply operation is actually done using dma. you can do some real-time dsp effects just linking it's dma engines. and it's pretty cheap
21:16:53 <OrngeTide> matrix printer?
21:16:58 <OrngeTide> dot matrix?
21:17:02 <Robert> Yep
21:17:25 <OrngeTide> turn it into an old teletype? :)
21:17:47 <OrngeTide> i was thinking of getting one of those $25 battery powered tv sets from walgreens and turning it into a forth terminal.
21:17:48 <Robert> Something like that.
21:18:01 <OrngeTide> oops. i gotta go. my woman is yelling at me for being on the pc.
21:18:05 <Robert> Hehe, that would be neat
21:18:07 <Robert> :) Bye!
21:19:47 <arke> :)
21:19:59 <TheBlueWizard> poor OrngeTide :)
21:21:10 <Robert> If I practice morse code, I could use that for coding.
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21:48:55 <Robert> Bleh
21:49:03 <Robert> One hour until I'm supposed to get up
21:50:59 <TheBlueWizard> you stay up awake all night, eh?
21:59:07 <Robert> Yeah
21:59:28 <TheBlueWizard> ah....a pity :)
21:59:36 <Robert> Yep, but it's hard to avoid
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22:00:26 <Robert> Saluton
22:00:30 <TheBlueWizard> why is that?  addicted to IRC?
22:00:41 <TheBlueWizard> hiya Fractal
22:00:47 <TheBlueWizard> er, hiya fridge
22:01:42 <fridge> hello
22:02:19 <Robert> TheBlueWizard: Haha, that too
22:02:34 <Robert> TheBlueWizard: But no... I just can't get to sleep earlier than 4-5
22:02:55 <Robert> So I have to skip sleep a night to get tired enough to sleep the following nights
22:03:46 <fridge> I had a siesta today
22:03:56 <fridge> so I think my sleeping pattern will be stuffed now
22:04:22 <fridge> but damn, I'm still glad I had a snooze =D
22:05:07 <Robert> Yeah
22:05:14 <Robert> That's why I end up like this ;)
22:05:25 <Robert> But I can't CONSTANTLY be adjusted to "normal" sleeping habits
22:05:31 <Robert> That means I'm constantly tired
22:05:41 <Robert> Probably part of their brainwashing strategies
22:05:46 <Robert> Make sure everyone is tired
22:05:53 <Robert> And they won't overthrow the conspiracy
22:07:02 <TheBlueWizard> ha ha...well, I think you just need some discipline
22:08:19 <Robert> I don't like discipline. ;)
22:08:27 <Robert> At least not when it comes to sleep.
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22:10:40 <TheBlueWizard> ok :)
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22:31:24 <TheBlueWizard> gotta go...bye all
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23:07:54 <warpzero> anyone in here ever used a RS6000 7013 5xx
23:08:08 <Robert> No, but I've used QBasic.
23:31:37 <arke> QBasic is fun :)
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23:35:06 <OrngeTide> good riddens! :P
23:35:19 <OrngeTide> if you can run qbasic you can run pygmyforth...
23:35:20 <Raystm2> qBasic ships broken :(
23:35:56 <OrngeTide> I used to have some rs6000 when i was a kid. model 53 or something like that. i forget
23:36:48 <Robert> Don't worry..last time I did DOS programming I did it in Forth. ;)
23:37:04 <Raystm2> :) now i'm not worried
23:37:57 <OrngeTide> i did some dos coding last year. but on a dos palmtop. and mostly in forth. (although I did use pacific C a bit too)
23:38:24 <Raystm2> OrngeTide: what did you code into it?
23:39:12 <Robert> OrngeTide: Heh, cool.. I also used to use Pacific C some, but mostly Borland tools.
23:40:21 <OrngeTide> borland tools run on that 80188. pacific c I had to have a 286 or better. kind of annoying that I couldn't host the compiler.
23:40:29 <OrngeTide> Raystm2, i tried to code a new OS for it.
23:40:39 <OrngeTide> i don't like dos at all :)
23:41:07 <OrngeTide> pygmy makes it pretty easy to write boot sectors.
23:42:25 <arke> :)
23:43:31 <Raystm2> OrngeTide: that's cool. "tried" . were you successful then ?
23:44:01 <arke> pygmy is so easy. :) I love it.
23:45:56 <OrngeTide> Raystm2, i never got past the monolithic blob of code stage. i could do a lot of stuff. but i had to jump into pygmy and build it, then copy it into a flash cards bootsector.
23:46:28 <OrngeTide> i could poke hello world into a 640x200 monochrome frame buffer
23:46:37 <arke> :)
23:47:15 <OrngeTide> it needed a cooperatively threaded forth, then it would have been super cool.
23:47:36 <OrngeTide> just simple native contexts and a native forth engine. that's all I wanted. ;)
23:48:40 <OrngeTide> although even a token threaded forth with an inner interp written in pygmy would have been something. but i gave up on the palmtop because I realized that a palm pilot is pretty cheap now and had an emulator and is much faster
23:49:39 <OrngeTide> hrm. neat. ti has a pretty good explaination of generating an ntsc signal on a uC. http://focus.ti.com/docs/apps/catalog/resources/appnoteabstract.jhtml?abstractName=slaa177 .. it's for msp430 too (i didn't know you could do that with an msp)
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