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02:48:22 <segher> whoops
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09:08:27 <arke_> hoy
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09:12:06 <arke_> qfox: EVALUATE
09:12:34 <arke_> qfox: s" 3 4   ." evaluate   -->    7 ok
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09:14:48 <arke_> oopts
09:34:12 <qFox> uh?
09:34:18 <qFox> wasnt me :\
09:34:38 <arke_> hehe.
09:34:52 <arke_> you asked about parse without TIB yesterday, so there was your answer :)
09:35:00 <qFox> actually its not...
09:35:15 <arke_> oh
09:35:18 <arke_> oopts
09:35:39 <qFox> i want to parse a part of a string to get two strings (or just the parsed part, from which i can compute two strings)
09:36:04 <qFox> s"hello world" 32 parse would result in a string with "hello" and a string with "world"
09:36:12 <qFox> ehr, of course a space after s"
09:36:15 <Robert> Hi
09:36:29 <arke_> oh
09:36:34 <qFox> i'm manually coding a parse word now
09:36:40 <arke_> Robert: HAI HOW R U U FYNE SW3D3
09:36:53 <qFox> fucking tex is evil
09:36:55 <arke_> qFox: misunderstood you then :)
09:37:02 <qFox> arke> it happens :)
09:38:36 <madwork> qfox, I have $mid, $left, $right, $asc, $chr, etc. for such string stuff.
09:39:20 <arke_> EVIL BASUICCCC
09:39:20 <qFox> yeah but i dont. and win32forth doesnt seem to either (admittingly i havent really searched inside it, just looked at ans words)
09:39:25 <arke_> EVIL BASIC
09:41:18 <qFox> i'm just coding pars, a word i used myself for words like s" c" and also ( and \
09:41:46 <qFox> (except, not with the tib)
09:42:46 <qFox> and yes i could do it with parse, but that would mean i would have to redirect the input stream, parse it, and i'm not really into the input stuff of ANS or win32forth so this will be a lot easier
09:43:23 <arke_> :)
09:45:50 <qFox> sometimes its just surprising how little support there is for "major" filetypes
09:46:09 <qFox> appearantly there are a gazilion different editors for TEX out there
09:46:19 <qFox> but you still have to download something 300mb'ish
09:46:37 <qFox> and its still console based... 
09:46:51 <qFox> or at least thats what i read, still downloading the setup...
09:47:32 <qFox> its like trying to get postscript to work under windows
09:47:55 <qFox> or well, hopefully its not, because i havent managed to get postscript to work, but i do need tex...
09:49:01 <qFox> omfg... and now it just quits because some file doesnt exist on the remote server ?!??!?
09:49:13 <qFox> .... fucking die.
09:55:09 <arke_> hehe.
09:55:21 <qFox> it died.
09:55:32 <qFox> so much for gracefull degradation :p
10:07:21 <arke_> ^^_
10:07:24 <arke_> gotta go
10:07:25 <arke_> byew
10:07:25 <arke_> :)
10:07:28 <arke_> fgoisfdojafdgksdgkadhjbkabkvoukuzvkajkaujbkujsbkjkbajkbjkbjkb
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13:26:45 <arke_> hi
13:26:47 <arke_> hi
13:26:48 <arke_> hi
13:27:45 <wossname> hello
13:28:48 <arke_> greetings fellow earth creature
13:28:51 <arke_> :)
13:29:42 <wossname> here or there?! or everywhere?!
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13:30:57 <Robert> XD
13:31:03 <Robert> You're a true revolver
13:31:23 * Robert pats his math homework
13:32:32 <wossname> wh
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14:28:31 <madwork> Whee!
14:28:35 <madwork> Test: get.part.number 
14:28:35 <madwork>      begin 
14:28:35 <madwork>           get.part.id 
14:28:35 <madwork>           get.option.1 $cat 
14:28:35 <madwork>           get.option.2 $cat 
14:28:36 <madwork>           get.option.3 $cat 
14:28:38 <madwork>           get.option.4 $cat 
14:28:40 <madwork>           get.option.5 $cat 
14:28:42 <madwork>           "Is this correct: " over $cat yesNoQuery 0= 
14:28:44 <madwork>      while 
14:28:46 <madwork>           drop 
14:28:48 <madwork>      repeat 
14:28:50 <madwork> End; 
14:28:56 <madwork> (Random Forth Attack!!)
14:28:58 <Robert> Is that...Forth?
14:29:27 <qFox> : pars ( s-adr1 c -- s-adr1 s-adr2 )
14:29:27 <qFox>   >r
14:29:27 <qFox>   crop-blanks
14:29:27 <qFox>   >r
14:29:27 <qFox>   0
14:29:28 <qFox>   begin
14:29:30 <qFox>     2dup + c@ 2r@ drop = 0=
14:29:32 <qFox>     over r@ = 0=
14:29:33 <qFox>     and
14:29:36 <qFox>   while
14:29:38 <qFox>     1+
14:29:40 <qFox>   repeat
14:29:41 <qFox>   2dup + \ new str adr
14:29:44 <qFox>   over r> swap - \ new str len
14:29:46 <qFox>   r> drop \ char to parse
14:29:48 <qFox> ;
14:29:49 <Robert> : 0 1 ;
14:29:55 <qFox> :(
14:30:04 <Robert> (:
14:30:16 <madwork> Robert, why wouldn't it be Forth?
14:30:24 <qFox> : ( 41 parse 2drop ;
14:30:25 <qFox> ;)
14:30:33 <Robert> madwork: Looks like Pascal to me. HERETIC.
14:30:41 <madwork> Forth is teh mastre of teh abstractionzzz!!1!11
14:30:43 <qFox> pascal? eh
14:30:49 <qFox> i guess pascal has been too long ago
14:30:51 <qFox> :\
14:31:12 <qFox> i'm going to get my first lesson in prolog tomorrow! o_0
14:31:25 <madwork> Oh my...
14:31:42 <qFox> (logical language based on collection and propositional logic)
14:31:42 <Robert> Hah.
14:31:49 <qFox> as if you dont already know.
14:32:04 <Robert> NO WE ONLY KNOW FORTH AND SOURCELESS PROGRAMMING
14:32:06 <qFox> and i'm coding my first attempt at an ai bot 
14:32:07 <qFox> in forth
14:32:07 <qFox> :p
14:32:09 <Robert> (Oh, I love that term...)
14:32:21 <qFox> sourceless programming?
14:32:50 <Robert> Yeah.
14:32:58 <qFox> wth.?
14:33:13 <Robert> And I haven't seen anyone except Chuck Moore use it
14:33:21 <qFox> dude... wtf is it
14:33:29 <qFox> dont those terms contradict? :p
14:33:34 <Robert> Nope
14:33:44 <Robert> No source code means you're assembling by hand
14:33:57 <qFox> oh
14:34:07 <qFox> oh you just mean writing machine code?
14:34:35 <qFox> you run on asm, i know a couple there that can do it
14:34:45 <qFox> i mean #asm ..
14:34:58 <qFox> and i have a friend that can probably do it
14:35:04 <qFox> but why... god why :p
14:35:25 <Robert> Well, obviously it's not that hard if you know the machine
14:35:31 <Robert> Especially for smaller programs.
14:35:40 <Robert> Just look at the pioneers of home computers
14:35:53 <qFox> so... whats this [23:32:44] <Robert> And I haven't seen anyone except Chuck Moore use it
14:35:54 <qFox> :p
14:35:58 <Robert> They'll tell you how they made their z80 pong with a DIP switch
14:36:03 <qFox> hehe
14:36:03 <Robert> I mean the term
14:36:07 <qFox> oh
14:36:08 <qFox> ok
14:36:11 <Robert> Not the actual way of coding
14:36:20 <qFox> i wished i could do it, just to show off
14:36:21 <qFox> :p
14:36:24 <Robert> Hah
14:36:29 <Robert> Just pick a simple enough arch
14:36:33 <qFox> well yeah
14:36:33 * Robert points at "four"
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14:36:36 * Robert pokes wossname 
14:36:47 <qFox> but that would also mean either being very inefficient
14:36:53 <qFox> or being able to calc in bits...
14:37:05 <qFox> really fast, or program really slow :p
14:37:22 <Robert> Oh?
14:37:28 <Robert> That's not really hard.
14:37:33 <Robert> You could use hex internally if you want
14:37:42 <qFox> damnit. i have to turn in a researchproposalsubject tomorrow but i need a little more time to investigate a proper subject :(
14:37:50 <Robert> :(
14:37:57 <Robert> What will it be?
14:38:20 <qFox> well it'll be ai related (but seeing how the study is in fact AI thats no surprise ;)
14:38:34 <qFox> i have a few subjects, but they're kinda too broad
14:38:53 <qFox> cover too much, at least for a first year, for my first proposal...
14:39:10 <qFox> its like "oh, i'll just fix an aibot, something you crackheads couldnt do for 40 years"
14:39:23 <Robert> :D
14:39:44 <Robert> You should make an AI bot trying to psych people.
14:40:02 <Robert> Being only semi-intelligent, with a database of personality types and strategies.
14:40:45 <qFox> haha
14:40:53 <qFox> way beyond my scope of interest for now
14:41:09 <qFox> but i am working on something
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14:41:37 <retrobot2> RetroForth Bot -- Type retrobot2: <forth code here>
14:41:38 <qFox> and exploring ideas, discovering stuff that actually doesnt work as i thought/hoped, and getting new idea's and theories as i progress
14:41:44 <qFox> so i just need a liiiittle more time :(
14:41:51 <qFox> but i wont get it, i already know
14:41:56 <Robert> retrobot2: : 0 1 ; 0 .
14:41:58 <retrobot2> Robert: 1 
14:42:01 <Robert> :-D
14:42:13 <qFox> retrobot2: ." robert fucked me up"
14:42:15 <retrobot2> qFox: 1 robert fucked me up
14:42:17 <Robert> qFox: How about an intelligent translator.
14:42:20 <qFox> there we go
14:42:33 <Robert> retrobot2: ." qFox is a lady"
14:42:34 <retrobot2> Robert: 1 qFox is a lady
14:42:48 <qFox> Robert> really not something i care for, but something that can be accomplished once i create what i want to anyways.
14:43:01 <qFox> retrobot2: : 1 0 ;
14:43:02 <retrobot2> qFox: 1 
14:43:12 <qFox> whats with the 1? ;P
14:43:19 <qFox> retrobot2: 1 .
14:43:21 <retrobot2> qFox: 1 1 
14:43:47 <qFox> retrobot2: : 0 1 ; : 1 0 ; : 0 1 ; : 1 0 ; : 0 1 ; : 1 0 ; : 0 1 ; : 1 0 ; : 0 1 ; : 1 0 ; : 0 1 ; : 1 0 ; : 0 1 ; : 1 0 ; : 0 1 ; : 1 0 ; 
14:43:49 <retrobot2> qFox: 1 
14:43:54 <qFox> goodboy
14:44:21 <qFox> Robert> i'm "just" interested in achieving human-like ai. "thats all"
14:44:33 <Robert> :D
14:45:00 <Robert> retrobot2: : x execute ; ' x x
14:45:02 <retrobot2> Robert: 1 
14:45:07 <Robert> retrobot2: : x execute ; 0 x
14:45:08 <retrobot2> Robert: 1 
14:45:11 <Robert> Heh
14:46:54 <qFox> ohwell, i'm off. nite
14:46:58 <qFox> and dont break it
14:47:28 <Robert> Night :)
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14:51:10 <Robert> Hi Ray :)
14:51:56 <Raystm2> Hi Robert: :)
14:56:33 <Raystm2> My Pentium 1 hard drive crashed last night -- rebuilding system right now and looking for old drivers ;)
14:57:55 <Robert> Heh, ouch
15:00:55 <Raystm2> yea it's taking all day :)
15:00:58 <Raystm2> doh!! 
15:01:07 <Raystm2>  tho I was well backed up 
15:01:16 <Raystm2> fortunately
15:34:35 <arke> hies
15:35:03 <Robert> Hi
15:38:02 <arke> :)
15:38:12 <arke> whats up robtorb?
15:38:25 <Robert> Not much..working a little at the Forth compiler.
15:41:07 <arke> :)
15:46:21 * Raystm2 still building my p1 back up :)
15:46:45 <arke> :(
15:47:40 <Raystm2> c:\ crash 
15:48:08 <Raystm2> unrecoverable
15:52:29 <arke> :(
15:52:35 <arke> rich biatch?
15:54:47 <Raystm2> ? who's rich, biatch?
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17:10:49 <arke> how do you do screenshots in linux again?
17:17:13 <Sonarman> i use scrot
17:17:29 <Sonarman> sleep 4; scrot
17:17:36 <Sonarman> sleep 4; scrot shot.jpg
17:18:07 <Sonarman> the GIMP can take screenshots
17:30:51 <arke> hows the GIMP do it?
17:40:37 <Sonarman> do you mean to ask how one takes a screenshot using the GIMP, or how the GIMP accomplishes the task?
17:42:50 <arke> how to take a screenshot
17:47:08 <Sonarman> File -> Acquire -> Screenshot
17:56:20 <OrngeTide> I use xwd to take screen shots.
17:57:16 <OrngeTide> sleep 5 ; xwd 1
17:57:19 <OrngeTide> er..
17:57:32 <OrngeTide> sleep 5 ; xwd >shot.xwd ; convert shot.xwd shot.png
17:57:45 <arke> :)
17:57:58 <OrngeTide> that would delay 5 seconds. then you click on the window you want to take a dump of. then it converts it to png
17:58:23 <OrngeTide> you can use -root if you just want the whole desktop
17:59:12 <OrngeTide> xwd -root | convert - 1.png
17:59:47 <OrngeTide> also seems to work. if you don't have convert you can use xwd | xwdtopnm | pnmtopng >shot.png
18:00:11 <OrngeTide> but netpbm's xwd support is a bit weak. 
18:00:28 <OrngeTide> that's probably more than you wanted to know. ... eheh.
18:00:37 <arke> :)
18:01:48 <OrngeTide> what's fun is you can put it in a crontab and have a snapshot every hour of every day:)
18:01:56 <arke> :P
18:02:46 <Sonarman> i bet arke's dad already does that
18:02:50 <OrngeTide> xwd -root -silent | convert - `date +ss-%Y.%m.%d-%H%M.bmp`
18:03:01 <OrngeTide> (bmp cuz it's faster)
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19:10:36 <Herkamire> what standard is for/next defined in? I thought they were ANS words
19:10:56 <crc> they're not?
19:15:32 <Sonarman> they aren't
19:19:53 <crc> ok
19:20:01 * crc doesn't have them anyway...
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20:12:13 <arke> they're not. Which is a sin.
20:14:57 <Herkamire> the ANS forth standard is stupid anyway
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