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03:34:45 <Serg[GPRS]_> hi
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04:14:32 <Robert> Hi crc 
04:14:35 <crc> Good morning 
04:14:37 <crc> Hi Robert
04:15:20 <Robert> Good morning to you, too. (Damn, my sleeping habits are ruined. ;)
04:15:40 <crc> hehe, I finally get to start sleeping at night now :-)
04:15:53 * crc *finally* has a daytime job
04:30:56 <qFox> and this prohibits you to sleep during daytime? ;)
04:31:10 <crc> Yes
04:31:19 * crc will hack in the evening now
04:36:18 * crc plays with OpenGL in RetroForth
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07:49:50 <Robert> Hi Ray
07:51:23 <Raystm2> Morning Robert: how are you today
07:51:33 <Robert> Better, thanks. And you?
07:51:53 <Raystm2> just woke up out of the blue.
07:52:05 <Raystm2> don't know why
07:52:48 <Raystm2> thought id figure out whats wrong with my adsl browser that came with the adsl --  and why my caller Id don't work no mo.
07:53:19 <Robert> ADSL browser?
07:53:24 <Robert> What's that?
07:55:49 <Raystm2> it's DSL -- provided by SBC. thier internet browser hijacks IE and for some weird reason, I can't click on a link without it crashing. of course repairing on windows boxes means trashing the software and re-installing, I don't think I quiet have the patience for that right now.
07:56:30 <Raystm2> So I have to copythe link and paste it into the address bar-- then it works.
07:56:38 <Robert> Heh
07:56:52 <Robert> And you NEED that crap to use their DSL service?
07:58:13 <Raystm2> No -- but since it's proprietary, any messeges I get thru thier system, like help or other email, I have to use there browser  -- I think . might be a way around.
07:58:39 <Robert> :(
07:59:43 <Raystm2> I didn't like the hijacking of my normal IE browser , so maybe when I returned some settings in it directly , i broke the yahoo one from sbc. there's is severly limiting.
08:00:14 <Raystm2> I only use it once a day to check system messages.
08:00:23 <Raystm2> still it's a bore.
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08:03:32 <Raystm2> gonna refresh the p4 first and continue chating from the p1 for now
08:04:15 <Robert> Ah.. I usually use this computer for IRC and SSH into it from other computers when I'm there
08:04:27 <Robert> So that I can avoid changing clients
08:05:20 <Raystm2> i'll have to learn to do that when my linux is fully operational -- thanks for tip :)
08:05:53 <Robert> You may want to check out irssi and screen then. 
08:06:28 <Raystm2> second and third good tip acknowledged :)
08:06:50 <Robert> But if you want to impress us, the obvious thing to do is to IRC from colorForth. ;)
08:07:00 <Raystm2> goal
08:07:35 <Raystm2> mark slicker and I were talking about that just last night -- no early this morning that is
08:07:49 <Robert> Ah, cool...did you come to any conclusions?
08:08:41 <Raystm2> conclusions 1. a very basic tutorial to help get more people involved is desparately needed
08:08:58 <Robert> You mean to colorForth in general?
08:09:04 <Robert> Or to networking/IRC?
08:09:35 <Raystm2> 2. our own version of internet messageing will provide an application that will help in development.
08:09:58 <Raystm2> Robert: yes 
08:10:08 <tathi> Your own version of internet messaaging?
08:10:13 <tathi> Why not just do IRC?
08:10:15 <Robert> Yes to which?
08:10:15 <Raystm2> general and then both
08:10:24 <Robert> Oh, OK
08:10:51 <Raystm2> 3. everything we write for a while needs to be a tutorial with it.
08:11:57 <Raystm2> It may end up like irc -- but it will be brutally simple -- like colorforth.
08:13:06 <tathi> it just seems counterproductive.
08:13:26 <Raystm2> it seems that way to you yes :)
08:13:26 <onetom> hi guys! does anybody have a gforth 0.6.x for WINdows downloaded?
08:13:30 <Raystm2> poke poke :)
08:13:38 <onetom> coz tuwein is unaccessible @ the moment
08:14:05 <Raystm2> wait onetom mayhaps I do :)
08:14:18 <tathi> Well, I suppose if you just want to communicate between people who are running colorforth.
08:14:26 <Raystm2> point 
08:15:10 <tathi> And also, some people (like me) are behind a firewall, so unless it runs through a central server, it's no good to me.
08:15:23 <tathi> (not that I can run colorforth anyway, but...)
08:15:25 <Raystm2> to enhance developement while in the environment and to see how simple that messegeing system can become.
08:15:33 <onetom> Raystm2: me father is waiting 4 it 4 about 4 hrs.. so it would b nice u having that version..
08:15:33 <Robert> onetom: Sorry, no.
08:15:38 <onetom> Robert: thx
08:16:03 <onetom> he's about 2 try the latest picforth..
08:16:13 <Raystm2> tathi the system would be colorforth to colorforth
08:16:20 <Raystm2> onetom checking :)
08:16:35 <holden> onetom: I'm involved with picforth
08:16:49 <holden> You might have seen me on the mailing list reporting bugs recently ;)
08:16:58 <onetom> holden: just i was 4 a short period.. ;)
08:17:07 <tathi> Raystm2: I just think that writing an IRC client wouldn't be that much harder, and would be FAR more useful.
08:17:36 <tathi> But of course if you're just doing it as an exercise to come up with a minimal messaging system...
08:17:47 <Robert> holden: Hmm.. are you the one I talked to about PICforth a while ago?
08:18:05 <holden> I don't think so
08:18:20 <Raystm2> yes onetom i have gforth 0.6.2 set up on this box in windows
08:18:31 <Robert> holden: Ah, OK, then it's just popular I guess. :)
08:19:00 <Robert> holden: That guy said it did a good job at producing compact code, would you agree with that?
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08:19:09 <holden> Yes it's pretty good
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08:20:25 <holden> With Pics there are no really good free C compilers, and assembly can be a pain because of all the banking to deal with, but Picforth is good and free too.
08:20:33 <onetom> Raystm2: so, how can i have it?
08:20:53 <Raystm2> looks like i can zip a copy and send ?
08:21:14 <onetom> holden: tinyC is a pretty good C compiler i think..
08:21:31 <onetom> Raystm2: hermantom at dunasoft dot com
08:21:46 <onetom> Raystm2: dont u have the orig zip?
08:21:47 <Raystm2> got it look for it in a few :)
08:21:58 <Raystm2> might searching
08:22:23 <onetom> but zipping will just b satisfactory as well
08:22:31 <arke> hi Raystm2 tathi holden onetom 
08:22:33 <Raystm2> onetom yep its here
08:22:36 <holden> onetom: Tiny C compiler for PICs? I've heard of Tiny C for x86...
08:22:41 <Raystm2> hi arke :)
08:22:43 <onetom> holden: ah, sorry :)
08:22:57 <onetom> Raystm2: do u have a homepage?
08:23:25 <Raystm2> will soon just switched providers to add dsl
08:23:35 <Robert> holden: Yes, I found the PICs are suprisingly unfriendly to the programmer.
08:23:52 <holden> True
08:24:17 <holden> 8051 is pretty bad too though but both are ridiculously popular
08:24:20 <onetom> Raystm2: i saw futhins note on me style n the similarities between us, so im interested in it weather he is right or not
08:24:39 <arke> 6809 is very programmer friendly, from what I've read
08:25:03 <holden> My favourite is ARM
08:25:14 <arke> onetom: he also said that I'd like you alot. Which is why I'm trying to get to know you :)
08:25:18 <onetom> whether -- of coz :)
08:25:20 <Robert> holden: I guess they're respected due to their old age. ;)
08:25:37 <onetom> arke: oh :)
08:25:57 <Robert> Futhin is running a dating service now?
08:26:10 <onetom> seems so :))
08:26:16 <arke> Robert: grr :)
08:26:17 <Raystm2> onetom: sent and yes I am also interested :))
08:27:01 <Raystm2> must be the childhood beatings or the drug abuse that developed from it :)
08:27:02 <onetom> k thx
08:27:15 <arke> :)
08:30:10 <Raystm2> and I have killed another chat 
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08:30:25 <killachat> muahahahahaha
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08:34:50 * arke kill Raystm2 
08:34:50 <arke> ;)
08:34:53 <arke> onetom: talk
08:34:55 <arke> Robert: talk
08:34:57 <arke> Raystm2: talk
08:35:00 <arke> holden: talk
08:35:06 <arke> EVERYBODY START TALKING! ^_^
08:35:51 <Raystm2> like Prof, Steve Hawking - in that Pink Floyd vid -- "Just keep talking"
08:36:27 <holden> All we have to do ... is make sure ... we keep talking
08:37:53 <Raystm2> ya s'it
08:38:12 <arke> ^_^
08:38:42 <Raystm2> I understand that Gilmore got the Hawking V-over from a bank commercial.
08:40:47 <arke> damn, even worse - have to restart :/
08:43:11 <Raystm2> hehe - /me brb
08:47:35 <Robert> Oh, it really is Hawking?
08:47:58 <Robert> I heard his voice computer on the Simpsons, and noticed it was VERY similar to the one in Keep Talking
08:48:43 <holden> It sounds the same as his voice synthesizer but how could you tell if he was the one who programmed the synthesizer to say the words? And does it matter?
08:48:56 <Raystm2> :) ya hehehe
08:49:24 <Raystm2> nice to have a voice double when you have that kind of credablily
08:49:46 <Raystm2> maybe he could be omnipresant :)
08:50:08 <Robert> holden: "Does it matter?" can mean a lot, but the answer is usually no.
08:50:42 <Raystm2> ooh can ya get "his" voice for your computer reader? i wonder? that might be sufficiantly annoying :)
08:51:25 <Robert> You can make it repeat "All C and no Forth makes Chuck a dull boy" the entire night.
08:51:45 <Raystm2> hahahaha
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08:52:46 <Raystm2> "In colorforth, we don't force the forth, we forth the force" -- or something of that nature :)
08:53:28 <Robert> Hmm.. repeated a thousand times, I guess that could drive you crazy as well
08:55:54 <Raystm2> its hard enough to pronounce anyway :)
08:56:25 <Robert> Heh, yeah..Especially to us foreigners.
08:57:32 * Raystm2 was not expecting that hahah
08:57:50 <Raystm2> "no one expects the spanish inquisition" 
08:58:50 <Robert> :D
08:59:01 <Robert> Whatever that has to do with Forth (do I want to know?)
08:59:26 <Raystm2> well no
08:59:52 <Raystm2> but i did get the "Holy Grail" dvd from library and it goes back today.
09:01:28 <Robert> Oh, cool. I haven't seen that one in a looong time.
09:01:34 * Robert should get it
09:01:41 <Raystm2> thank goodness for touch typing -- know i can throw ablanke over me and have the keyboard on lap -- 45deg is darn cold in Texas :)
09:02:02 <Raystm2> a blank blanket even
09:02:29 <Robert> 45F? That's cold!
09:02:36 <Robert> Don't you have any heater?
09:02:44 <Raystm2> when your used to 102
09:03:29 <Raystm2> like any 57deg diff hehe yes but it will be warm here soon :) no need to fire up the boilers yet :)
09:04:18 <Raystm2> doesn't get really cold here till feb anyway
09:04:25 <Robert> It's like 25F over here now (outside)
09:04:33 <Raystm2> hehe brrrrr
09:05:07 <Raystm2> whats average temp there?
09:05:42 <Robert> In the winter? Probably around 20F
09:06:29 <Robert> But sometimes we get like -10F
09:06:43 <Raystm2> oh that's not too bad I guess -- must mean you get down to .....
09:06:44 <Raystm2> ya
09:06:54 <Robert> In the northern parts of the country, I think the record is -60F
09:07:01 <Raystm2> whoa
09:07:11 <Raystm2> freeze your face off
09:07:47 <Raystm2> tounge instanly stick to popsickle
09:08:32 <Robert> Well, kids over here don't lick streetlights more than once.
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09:08:37 <Robert> Hi Topaz 
09:08:39 <onetom> Raystm2: 2gether we stand, divided we fall ;)
09:08:42 <Topaz> lo
09:09:00 <Raystm2> hidy ho neighbors
09:09:28 <Raystm2> onetom " and if our backs should ever be against the wall "
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09:22:24 <onetom> Raystm2: hey, that was just the documentation! :)
09:22:32 <onetom> u sent me
09:23:10 <Raystm2> what!! doh!!! checking-- please hold.
09:24:20 <Raystm2> and so it was -- sorry -- hope you wanted that too :)
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09:26:15 <onetom> :) not really
09:26:32 <onetom> so, do u have the exe too?
09:26:34 <Raystm2> darn sorry for chinese fire drill.
09:27:01 <Raystm2> yes the whole everything from everybody forths are here that I know of.
09:27:57 * onetom -> shower (&waits4gforth062exe;)
09:28:10 <Raystm2> just looking for the zipped version of the file -- which I maynot have backed up when I reset this machine to the purchase date recently -- tho I do have the entire system.
09:30:11 <holden> Is this what you're looking for: http://www.jwdt.com/~paysan/gforth-0.6.2.exe
09:30:42 <Raystm2> holden he said the link wasn't working ?
09:30:51 <holden> That link works
09:30:56 <onetom> that 1 works
09:31:01 <Raystm2> sure does
09:31:04 <onetom> the tuwein link didnt work
09:31:07 <Raystm2> oh
09:31:12 <onetom> holden: how did u find it?
09:31:14 <Raystm2> is that important 
09:31:22 <Raystm2> no i see that it is not
09:31:25 <onetom> coz i also visited paysans page...
09:31:40 <holden> Looked in google's cache for the tuwien page to find the filename then googled for the filename to find a mirror
09:32:03 * Raystm2 likes holden -- thinks holden is smart now :)
09:32:28 <Raystm2> your magic is better than mine :)
09:32:32 <onetom> :) well.. point there
09:32:53 <Raystm2> :)
09:32:53 <holden> My l33t g00g1e1ng sk1llz0rs you mean ;)
09:33:11 <Raystm2> i see your point and raise your text up one line
09:33:34 <Raystm2> hehe
09:33:55 <Raystm2> some peoples kids arn't that bad at all :)
09:35:30 * Raystm2 sticks link in desktop drawer.
09:45:37 <Raystm2> now when I think or arke -- the fast kid from the incredables comes to mind :)
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10:00:53 <Raystm2> watching dvd and ingoring irc for 2 hours or so
10:05:51 <qFox> at least i've been watching spiderman2, updating my weblog, and doing some schoolcrap during that time ;)
10:09:23 <qFox> btw, didnt maryjane die in one of the dr octo episodes?
10:10:39 <qFox> (only to act like jesus and return as a superhero... ;)
10:10:55 <qFox> but i remember reading comics covering that...
10:11:17 <qFox> maybe it was with that green goblin guy
10:11:34 <qFox> i must say i did enjoy sm2 better then the first
10:11:49 <Robert> qFox is watching SM, eh?
10:12:02 * Robert yawns
10:12:20 <qFox> probably has partially to do with my AI background, and the filosophical question about seeing in the mind
10:12:21 <qFox> :p
10:12:31 <qFox> yeah i know, sm is a normal thing for you
10:12:40 <Robert> I _am_ SM
10:12:51 <Robert> SM0YSR to be precise.
10:12:53 <qFox> oh dear
10:13:18 <qFox> spidahman, spidahman, does things that noone cahn.
10:13:19 <qFox> :p
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12:03:09 <raystm22_> spins a web any size -- catches thieve just like flies -- watch out -- here comes the Spiderman -
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12:25:38 <Serg[GPRS]_> re
12:27:12 <Robert> Hi Serg!
12:27:21 <Robert> I figured out what the problem is, I think
12:27:26 <Robert> robert.zizi.org wasn't updated
12:27:29 <Robert> It should be now
12:27:39 <Serg[GPRS]_> dns error ?
12:28:24 <Serg[GPRS]_> i did some part of work via normal browser ;(( wasting lotsa traffic
12:30:48 <Robert> Not really
12:30:55 <Robert> I have to redirect it manually
12:31:04 <Robert> And if I don't notice that my IP changed...
12:31:19 <Robert> Anyway, if connecting to me doesn't work, try to get my IP from the IRC client
12:31:34 * Serg[GPRS]_ just bought a GameMania magazine - they advocate real hardcore game programming !
12:31:37 <Serg[GPRS]_> ok
12:31:58 <Serg[GPRS]_> GLScene free engine
12:45:57 <Serg[GPRS]_> ever coded games in Forth ?
12:50:34 <Robert> No large ones
12:50:48 <Serg[GPRS]_> little ?
12:50:57 <Robert> A Pong for isForth
12:50:58 <Serg[GPRS]_> me - only one, 2 versions ;))
12:51:08 <Serg[GPRS]_> hehe
12:51:45 * Serg[GPRS]_ dreams of Nethack or Adom w/ self-sustaining, evolving world
12:55:22 <Serg[GPRS]_> once i had an idea of ultra-abstract RPG, i first called it 'Candyman'
12:56:08 <Serg[GPRS]_> u are just a box of 'candies', every 'candy' adds or subtracts points of attributes, and may have pre-requisites
12:57:09 <Serg[GPRS]_> no 'rings' or 'weapons' or 'armor' - just 'candies'
12:57:59 <Serg[GPRS]_> and so the foes - boxes of candies
12:58:16 <Serg[GPRS]_> if u kill him - u can take any of his candies ;))
13:00:03 <Serg[GPRS]_> u are immortal - beating just reduces 'experience', then it drops below pre-requsite for some 'candy' - it turbs off
13:00:54 * Serg[GPRS]_ is afraid of f00d limit, say something to reset it
13:01:03 <Serg[GPRS]_> fL00d, typo
13:01:23 <Robert> Hehe
13:01:31 <Robert> Don't worry ;)
13:01:38 <Robert> You'll need to say a lot more, much faster
13:01:49 <Robert> Try pasting the Linux source code ;)
13:01:50 <Serg[GPRS]_> aha
13:02:46 <Serg[GPRS]_> there's no 'game over' - foes just lose interest to you after beating you to down some level, computed from theirs
13:03:19 <Serg[GPRS]_> whadda u think of all it ? does it gonnabe interesting ?
13:04:23 <Robert> Hmm...I don't really see the point in this
13:04:56 <Serg[GPRS]_> it gonna be boring ?
13:05:18 <Robert> Maybe.. I guess it all depends on who's playing and who's implementing it.
13:05:28 <Robert> But I dno't think it sounds very exciting
13:05:56 <Serg[GPRS]_> aha... any idea on making it better ?
13:07:18 <Robert> Don't think so...last time I wrote a game (other than a quick Pong implementation) was like 4 years ago
13:07:45 * Serg[GPRS]_ eats the bat to raise 'night sense' ability
13:08:18 <Serg[GPRS]_> what genre do u like more ?
13:08:58 <Robert> I like real-time strategy games, and some (OK, just Duke Nukem) 3D first-person shooters.
13:09:20 <Serg[GPRS]_> out of 'knee-makeable' ones ^))
13:09:31 <Serg[GPRS]_> so RTS ;))
13:09:51 * Serg[GPRS]_ loses in RTS - they take split-mind to play ;((
13:10:00 <Robert> Well, I don't say I'm good at it
13:10:04 <Robert> But I like it anyway. :=)
13:10:44 <raystm22_> "We are the keepers of the sacret word"
13:10:57 <raystm22_> "You must return here with a shurbury or you will not pass here --- alive"
13:11:19 <Serg[GPRS]_> what about Pirates-like - sail, trade, battle, fence ?
13:13:46 <Serg[GPRS]_> Raystm2: in Arcanum, i just pickpocketed the bridge guards in such a situation
13:15:17 <Serg[GPRS]_> ok, bye - i wanna squish some cops in good old GTA3, after watching San Andreas movie ;))
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13:15:28 <Robert> Bye!
13:15:39 <raystm22_> bye
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