00:00:00 --- log: started forth/04.11.20 00:08:53 --- quit: Sonarman_ ("leaving") 01:12:47 --- join: qFox (C00K13S@82-169-140-229-mx.xdsl.tiscali.nl) joined #forth 02:59:20 --- quit: ayrnieu ("system") 03:06:43 --- join: ayrnieu (julian@199.2.120.117) joined #forth 03:16:54 --- quit: I440r (Excess Flood) 03:17:12 --- join: I440r (mark4@216-110-82-59.gen.twtelecom.net) joined #forth 03:17:22 Hi 03:18:48 hi robert 03:20:24 God morgon 03:20:40 god middag 03:21:07 Så kan man också se på det... 03:21:26 frÃ¥gan Ã¤r om det inte Ã¤r rÃ¤tt vÃ¤g att se pÃ¥ det :P 03:21:46 Morgon är när jag vaknar. Punkt slut! 03:22:18 * robert återvänder till *snyft* Javaläxan 03:22:26 heh 04:33:31 --- join: crc (crc@0-1pool216-69.nas16.philadelphia1.pa.us.da.qwest.net) joined #forth 04:41:24 Hi crc 04:41:28 Hi robert 04:44:20 I fixed retrobot2... 04:45:29 Nice. :) 04:46:23 robert: _you_ broke it by attempting to use 'begin' which I *don't* have :-( 04:46:46 * robert hangs his head in shame. 04:47:06 (Actually, it would have worked, with some error messages on each use, if you didn't try to test words on the same line as the definition) 04:47:07 It's kind of ironic, though, that I broke it by using an unknown word while attempting to segfault it. 04:47:21 retrobot2: 0 0 / 04:47:22 crc: 04:47:25 That segfaulted i 04:47:28 it even 04:47:45 I use 'repeat' instead of 'begin 04:47:54 For what it's worth... 04:48:02 How does repeat work? 04:48:10 : repeat here ; 04:48:14 : again compile ; 04:48:23 Those are defined in the macro vocabulary 04:48:42 So... repeat break? if exit then again 04:48:45 Try "retrobot2: macro words" for a list of macros 04:48:46 Or something like that? 04:48:55 retrobot2: macro words 04:48:56 robert: s" ['] 1- 1+ | ( then >if if r> >r m: f: until again repeat : literal ; ;; [ does> 04:49:18 You can use ;; to exit a word (like 'exit' in your example above) 04:49:26 I have no break? word 04:49:39 There's a 0; word that exits if TOS=0 04:50:05 And you can always do "COUNT repeat ... until" in a definition 04:50:21 Oh, that was pseudo-code. 04:50:38 Replace it with any test... 04:51:11 ok 04:51:54 If you use repeat/until, you probably should put the count in the return stack at the start of the loop, and bring it back at the end 04:53:01 So that is done manually? No for/next words 04:53:01 ? 04:53:42 no for/next or do/loop for me 04:53:50 simple is better IMO 04:54:15 Yes, I think so too, but for/next doesn't add too much bloat. 04:54:56 you can define for/next if you really want them 04:58:15 I just added them to retrobot2 for you; rather simple really: 04:58:37 macro : for here m: >r ; forth 04:58:55 macro : next m: r> m: until ; forth 04:58:57 That's it 04:59:38 * crc makes a note of those definitions for later reference 05:00:26 Hehe, thanks. 05:00:51 no problem 05:00:57 I just think they're useful.. Usually I use for/next, and if I want a fancier loop counter I keep it on the data stack. 05:01:04 ok 05:01:48 I also added begin, which might be helpful to you as well 05:02:17 What does m: do in retro? 05:02:34 "postpone"-ish? 05:02:48 I've never used postpone 05:03:04 It compiles a CALL to a macro, rather than running the macro 05:03:29 Well, it's like they said the other day... "You define your language by how it differs from ANS" ;) 05:03:29 There's also f: (used when you have a macro and normal word, and want to use the normal word) 05:04:21 Well, retroforth is quite different from ANS :-) 05:04:32 See? 05:04:54 :-) 05:38:46 --- join: Raystm2 (~vircuser@adsl-68-95-253-12.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined #forth 05:39:17 Hey Ray 05:42:20 Hi robert: just reconfiguring everything :) 05:42:44 On what system? 05:43:26 The Windows XP on Compaq P4. 05:43:49 been about 12 hours now at least :) 05:44:00 --- join: tathi (~josh@pcp02123722pcs.milfrd01.pa.comcast.net) joined #forth 05:44:11 Heh, yeah.. that can take a lot of time 05:44:13 Hey tathi 05:44:16 I'm nearly finished getting it back to where it was. 05:44:22 Hi tathi :) 05:44:26 Hi all :) 05:46:45 tathi: I was just telling robert that I've been rebuilding this machine for the that 12hours - at least. 05:47:45 left to do -- personall settings - kids "private" areas. should take weeks :) 05:47:59 rebuilding? A source-based linux distro, or just installing windows? 05:49:07 Restored the entire system to the purchase date last May. Linux will be next after windows, then colorforth. 05:49:55 I dumped all the linux stuff to make a backup drive, as I was just getting started with debian, anyway. 05:49:59 gotcha. 05:50:24 besides -- it'll go much faster with dsl now. 05:50:39 I'll do a net install -- maybe gentoo? 05:50:58 I really like gentoo. 05:51:04 recomendations from experiance? 05:51:13 That's the only source-based distro I've tried. 05:51:16 --- join: Serg[GPRS]_ (~z@193.201.231.126) joined #forth 05:51:30 hi 05:51:37 Actually, I do have a few objections to gentoo, but nothing too serious. 05:51:40 tathi : = 1 for gentoo -- robert ? Hi Serg[GPRS]_ 05:51:55 Mainly that it uses Python, which is SLOOOOOW. 05:51:58 I've never used gentoo, Debian has always worked fine for me. 05:52:05 * Serg[GPRS]_ just burnt CD-R w/ 48 hours of rock at 32kBps/22kHz 05:52:24 tathi : = 1 for gentoo -- robert = 1 for debian. 05:52:40 gentoo is total brainscrew at install time ! 05:53:00 really -- not for newguys - Serg[GPRS]_? 05:53:12 Well, it's a source-based distro. 05:53:30 must be make all the way then? 05:53:39 i did manage to install, but soon trashed it in favor of Knoppix 05:53:57 Getting a system installed that's built with your own tools is a bit tricky, period. 05:53:59 tathi : = 1 for gentoo -- robert = 1 for debian. Serg[GPRS]_ = 1 for knoppix. 05:54:02 (I think). 05:54:27 i'm sure your right. not for the faint of heart then :) 05:54:41 brb -- drink 05:55:01 be4 this, i trashed RedHat for it's crappy RPM db and lotsa background daemons i don't need 05:55:25 Yeah, I can't really say -- when I tried Gentoo, I was coming from maintaining an LFS system (building everything by hand). 05:55:38 okay and okay 05:55:49 Serg: yeah, RPM isn't much fun IMO :( 05:56:11 build from SRC is needed for ultra-secure cases only, IMHO 05:56:36 and so not Linux, but rather BSD 05:56:41 Serg: I'm on a PPC box. Sometimes I have to modify things to run on my machine. 05:56:52 aha.. 05:56:54 Debian uses 2 package systems that don't seam too hard to handle . one easier than the other. 05:57:20 tathi: Mac, Amiga ? 05:57:22 but you'all knew that :) 05:57:46 Serg: PowerMac (dual G4 533MHz, from early 2001). 05:58:24 Serg: and I've made...improvements...to several pieces of software that I use, so... :) 05:58:42 tathi: and how that power does compare to Pentium ? 05:59:15 * Serg[GPRS]_ runs P IV 1600 now 05:59:18 Raystm2: yeah, Debian sounds really solid -- I think that almost everyone that I know who has used is much likes it. 05:59:40 Serg: It's a little hard to say. I haven't exactly run performance tests. 05:59:53 Serg: And it's SMP, so... 06:00:29 hm, what FPS do u have at DVD->MP4 recoding ? 06:00:37 * Serg[GPRS]_ has about 19-22 06:00:41 I don't have a DVD drive. 06:00:52 And I would NEVER EVER use mp4s 06:01:02 why ? 06:01:18 I was under the impression that the mp4 format was riddled with patent issues. 06:01:20 Am I wrong? 06:01:38 * Serg[GPRS]_ just ripped 'Prey for Rock'n'Roll' w/ Gina Gershon 06:01:56 tathi: here in RU we do neglect copyright 06:02:30 yeah, well, here in the US they're a little insane on the subject. 06:03:22 and while I don't agree with the laws, or think I'm likely to get into trouble over them, 06:03:32 they just blow apiece of greed 06:04:09 I do think that using protocols controlled by some big corporations is just asking for trouble. 06:04:15 yup. 06:16:28 --- quit: robert (": 0 1 ;") 06:30:49 Serg: FWIW, I _think_ my machine will run isForth's mmtest at about the same speed as your machine. 06:32:38 are where any cross-platform benchmarks ? 06:33:16 either mathematical or 3D game-like 06:33:43 don't know. 06:33:56 I've never had much interest in benchmarks... 06:34:18 I'm fairly sure my graphics performance isn't great though. 06:34:38 --- join: Raystm2- (~vircuser@adsl-68-95-253-12.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined #forth 06:34:54 I don't know if that's how X windows is set up, or that the drivers for ATI cards aren't great, or what. 06:36:52 * Serg[GPRS]_ has GeForce 4 Ti - GTA3 _flying_ 06:37:38 FarCry - normal, Painkiller - playable at minimal settings 06:38:43 :) 06:39:12 * tathi has one of the original ATI Radeons. 06:39:50 are whera any 3D games for your platform ? 06:40:35 GTA3 is _greatest_ game i ever played 06:41:06 Vice City has some added features but lacks _atmosphere_ of GTA3 06:43:35 --- join: Raystm2_ (~vircuser@adsl-68-95-253-12.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined #forth 06:45:31 --- quit: Raystm2_ (Client Quit) 06:46:01 there are a fair number for MacOS. 06:46:23 I can't run any commercial games for Linux, of course. 06:47:19 I don't think I have any 3D games though. 06:47:45 Always seemed like a waste of money to me. (I'm not much of a gamer). 06:48:52 here any software cost 2.6$ on printed pirate CD 06:50:24 legal is rarity, mostly in companies - law enforcement here is just a knife in competitor wars 06:52:11 --- quit: Raystm2 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06:52:12 actually, hl2 isnt all that bad 06:52:45 * Serg[GPRS]_ dislikes shooters 06:59:05 --- join: ows (~ows@a81-84-114-211.netcabo.pt) joined #forth 07:00:55 --- quit: Raystm2- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07:01:26 i would like 'Moorhuhn 3D' to be created - hunt for score in limited time, no enemy fire ;)) 07:18:09 --- join: wincent (~wincent@void-109.pmnet.uni-oldenburg.de) joined #forth 07:30:15 * Serg[GPRS]_ is off - go shopping 07:30:18 --- quit: Serg[GPRS]_ () 07:57:50 --- quit: crc ("Time for bed... Goodnight!") 09:29:56 --- quit: ows (Connection timed out) 09:30:42 --- join: ows (~ows@a81-84-114-211.netcabo.pt) joined #forth 09:34:55 --- nick: madgarden_ -> madgarden 09:35:54 --- join: allefant (~root@L0657P08.dipool.highway.telekom.at) joined #forth 09:51:43 --- quit: Herkamire ("resetting router") 09:52:03 --- join: Herkamire (~jason@h000094d30ba2.ne.client2.attbi.com) joined #forth 09:59:50 i'm at forth day @ SVFIG right now!! 10:01:35 cool 10:01:48 jeff fox is up next. :) 10:02:07 sweet 10:02:22 later tonight chuck moore will be speaking 10:03:39 the guy right now is talking about how he fought his managers request to rewrite a windows forth project in C++. he rewrote it in forth embeded in html and removed all the windows depedencies. and it ended up being easier, more flexible and easier to maintain. forth wins again:) 10:15:16 anything's better than c++ 10:15:25 except java or c# 10:20:26 C is still best :) 10:30:45 yay for C ! 10:31:11 in before you two get killed by god's wrath 10:32:04 tell chuck to come by some time! 10:33:05 and not tonight cos i'll be gone in a few :p 10:34:39 --- quit: tathi ("errands") 10:35:40 --- join: Serg[GPRS]_ (~z@193.201.231.126) joined #forth 10:36:10 re 10:44:18 --- join: wossname (~sonarman@rn-v1w5a06.uwaterloo.ca) joined #forth 10:45:01 where is svfig again? 10:46:02 is someone videotaping it? 10:49:16 * OrngeTide is listenign to jeff fox talk about left brained vs right brain programming and forth. 10:49:57 Herkamire, san jose, ca? 10:50:04 Herkamire, yea. someone is taping it right now. 10:50:21 actually i think it's in sunnyvale or santa clara. 10:57:20 you dont know where you are right now? :\ 10:59:31 not really. silicon valley doesn't have much distinction between cities. 10:59:33 * Serg[GPRS]_ really wants to shoot uch a great persons w/ my fake leica ;) 10:59:45 i live in san jose. but i drove up the 101 a ways. i think i'm in sunnyvale. 11:00:11 OrngeTide: use GPS navigator ;)) 11:00:39 * Serg[GPRS]_ never travels w/o good sturmann's preparation 11:00:49 Cogswell College 11:00:49 1175 Bordeaux Dr. 11:00:50 Sunnyvale, CA 11:01:06 Serg[GPRS]_, why? I managed to get here just fine. :P 11:01:18 how we'll never know 11:01:36 i'd like a gps that is super tiny and only tells longitude and latitude. I'm only interested in my position in relation to other positions i understand 11:02:28 1) mark whatever point is interesting - subway stations, crossroads etc. 11:02:54 2) put in GPS the desired destination and intermediate points 11:03:41 bah. i'd rather memorize coordinates 11:04:17 i borrowed Garmin Gecko 201 from a friend - cute thingie 11:04:25 i need a gps that is put in my brain so I can synchronize my "mental map" with real coordinates. that would be rad 11:04:37 yea? hrm. 11:04:53 i just want one that lets me use it with Kismet 11:05:18 my buddy has a gps that is bluetooth and his laptop and pdas just interface directly with it when they are near it. 11:05:28 now i want a paper Moscow map w/ coordinate grid 11:05:53 oh that would be perfect. 11:06:20 my "thomas guide" has gps coordinates on it. it's this thick book of very detailed street maps of the whole bay area. 11:06:33 so i wanna be able to input points w/o comp 11:06:36 i keep it in my car. much more reliable than mapquest.com 11:06:44 sure 11:06:58 i wish there were road signs with long/lat cordinates on it at regular intervals. 11:07:15 * Serg[GPRS]_ rents a room and is devoid of comp most time 11:07:35 nice idea of signs ! 11:07:37 i work with computers 10+ hours a day. when i get home i don't even want to look at my computer. 11:08:06 we already have mile markers. which are somewhat useful. they should just add two more numbers to the mile markers. 11:09:09 make graffiti w/ lat/lon ;)) 11:09:30 modify an ink jet printer to help automate the graffiti :) 11:09:49 then i can just print it on the road surface as i drive. :) 11:10:22 HERK! JEFF IS TALKING ABOUT HERKFORTH! 11:10:29 wow 11:10:33 cool 11:10:36 :) 11:10:59 He said he would read about it on my site, but I haven't talked to him since then 11:11:12 what's he saying? what's he saying? 11:11:35 OrngeTide: real audio ? 11:11:41 oh he's describing what it's like. 11:11:50 * Serg[GPRS]_ has xpensive byte ;((( 11:12:13 I really hope somebody makes the videos available 11:12:22 i'll ask about it. 11:12:31 preferably on something I can play on my computer (eg _not_ realplayer) 11:12:51 there are a lot of hardcore linux people here. 11:13:06 cool 11:13:08 looks like a dv camera. so more than likley it will be encoded mpeg2/4 11:13:18 mpeg is just fine 11:13:36 theora is better 11:13:53 * Serg[GPRS]_ wants helmet webcam+microphone -> MP4 11:17:28 here in Moscow winter just struck - snow like feather out of cut pillow 11:17:39 sounds nice. 11:17:54 i miss the snow. it doesn't snow here at all. just rains in the winter. 11:18:05 and looks nice, at nature scenes 11:18:32 we've gotten one little snow so far 11:18:48 * Serg[GPRS]_ gonna load my half-frame cam w/ Kodak Reala 100 and get trigger-loose 11:19:37 have u ever seen full-AE camera w/o any batteries ? 11:21:54 real aim-n-shoot, glass lens, f=1.9 (!), linear auto from 2/30 to 16/800, central shutter 11:23:20 works off the energy captured by light cell 11:23:39 of coz, focusing and advance/cocking are manual 11:24:22 what's full-AE? 11:24:54 auto-exposure 11:25:42 no speed control at all, aperture control - for flash only, w/ speed fixed to 1/30 11:26:30 plus, of coz, "Bulb" - hold it open as long as you want 11:26:52 i had an old camera that you would wind up a spring to make it work. :) 11:27:38 did it shoot multiple frames from one winding ? or just one ? 11:27:49 multiple frames 11:28:24 we have such model too, 'Leningrad' - rangefinder cam w/ 8-frame spring 11:28:31 you'd wind it up a bunch. and you could take about 5-8 shots in a row rapidly 11:29:09 the exposure on it was a bit iffy though. :( as you got near the end of the winding the exposre was slightly longer than when you started. 11:29:36 hehe 11:30:17 be4 motorized cams, were add-on motor winders 11:30:38 and be4 them - spring add-on winders, to many cam models 11:31:26 my current camera just takes expensive lithium batteries. and it makes a massive amount of noise when it gets to the end of the roll. i don't like auto rewinders. i miss my old minolta that had a little crank that popped out when you got to the end of the roll. 11:32:05 buy fake-leica from me ;))) 11:32:13 * OrngeTide is going to reboot to linux and hopefully get this wireless stuff working. (there are three access points at svfig, i've never used linux with multiple APs present and it refuses to let me select them manually) 11:32:24 ttyl 11:39:01 how do access points work... does each one get assigned an ip address? 11:39:14 or do you choose one access point from among all that you are detecting? 11:39:52 like I was over at my friend's house, and his wireless software was showing 8 access points, one of which was his "official" access point 11:53:09 --- join: c0redump (~c0re@a213-22-130-138.netcabo.pt) joined #forth 11:59:29 --- quit: allefant (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 12:08:22 --- join: Sonarman (~matt@adsl-64-160-165-214.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) joined #forth 12:28:42 OrngeTide: do you record or take pictures ? 12:29:25 * Serg[GPRS]_ is writing an article about 'morals' and abti-selection 12:29:34 anti- , typo 12:36:35 --- nick: fca -> Frek 13:18:19 --- join: rython (~rython@ABordeaux-104-1-1-246.w81-48.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined #forth 13:18:21 hi 13:19:43 t3h h13z 13:21:00 --- part: rython left #forth 13:24:36 muahahaa 13:25:46 why must you be so weird? 13:27:02 --- join: serg_ghost (~z@193.201.231.126) joined #forth 13:27:21 dhamn ghosts ! 13:28:31 --- kick: Serg[GPRS]_ was kicked by arke (arke) 13:29:03 --- nick: serg_ghost -> Serg[GPRS] 13:32:40 --- quit: ASau (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 13:36:55 --- join: ASau (~root@83.102.133.66) joined #forth 13:39:47 --- quit: Serg[GPRS] () 13:43:41 --- join: allefant (elias@L0662P16.dipool.highway.telekom.at) joined #forth 14:05:39 Teratogen, oh. each wireless device has a MAC address. and you can search around for devices that are claiming to be access points. and you can bond to it's channel and then do a dhcpd. that's the "managed" mode of 802.11. there is also an "ad-hoc" mode where everything sees everything else. 14:08:49 the silly stock linux airport drivers didn't support listing access points. had to download a driver (open source) to do it. finally got my linux on this wireless. 5 hours into svfig forth day. eheh 14:54:00 I wanna know what Jeff said about my forth 15:35:55 retrobot2: 10 10 + . 15:35:56 wossname: 20 15:36:00 retrobot2: : explode ." computers never make " begin ." mistakes " again ; 15:36:01 wossname: computers? never? make? mistakes? 15:36:35 retrobot2: : zee zee ; zee 15:36:37 wossname: computers? never? make? mistakes? 15:36:48 retrobot2: 10 10 + . 15:36:49 wossname: computers? never? make? mistakes? 15:37:29 wossname: I dare you to ask him to do 0 1024 ! 15:37:43 i don't think he is listening anymore! 15:37:51 somebody stop him!! 15:38:25 retrobot2: 0 1024 ! 15:38:26 ayrnieu: computers? never? make? mistakes? 15:38:34 oh dear. 15:38:43 retrobot2: ] 15:38:45 ayrnieu: computers? never? make? mistakes? 15:38:46 retrobot2: [ 15:38:48 ayrnieu: computers? never? make? mistakes? 15:39:06 i saw that lovely snippet in #asm and i couldn't resist giving it a shot 15:39:14 retrobot2: : explode ." hm" ; 15:39:15 ayrnieu: computers? never? make? mistakes? 15:39:26 oh, well. 15:53:12 retrobot remembers lines that have : and ; in them, and executes them every request from then on 15:53:42 retrobot2: : foo repeat 64 emit again ; foo 15:53:44 Sonarman: computers? never? make? mistakes? 15:54:15 retrobot2: : foo 64 emit ; foo 15:54:17 Sonarman: computers? never? make? mistakes? 15:54:27 I'm guessing this thing is making it spin: : zee zee ; zee 15:54:38 the thing that set it off was the use of ." 15:54:51 .( is the one that is meant for use inside definitions in retro 15:55:03 Sonarman: that isn't what broke it. that's just what's making it print that silly stuff 15:55:10 --- join: swsch_ (~stefan@swsch.sustaining.supporter.pdpc) joined #forth 15:55:13 ." is a interpret-only word in retroforth I think 15:55:19 Herkamire: oh, i see what you're saying 15:55:25 yes 15:55:29 it saves lines with : and ; 15:55:33 executes them every time before input 15:55:43 and then explodes upon executing the zee line 15:56:00 then (if it still works the way I wrote it) isforth is terminated after running for one seccond. 15:56:20 s/isforth/it/ 15:56:21 robert broke it earlier too with another loop 15:56:41 it's easy to make it disconnect 15:56:43 yeah, the persistance feature makes it very fragile 15:56:46 just have it flood 15:57:00 yeah, it looked like he removed the flood protection 15:57:25 well, let's all invoke it a couple of times 15:57:27 starting now! 15:57:30 retrobot: huhuuhuh 15:57:36 er 15:57:40 retrobot2: huhuhuhh 15:57:41 wossname: computers? never? make? mistakes? 15:57:45 retrobot2: huhuhuhh 15:57:46 wossname: computers? never? make? mistakes? 15:57:52 eh? 15:57:59 i mean, make it flood with a forth snippet 15:58:03 bbl party 15:58:08 you can't :~) 15:58:14 yes :( 15:58:18 have fun :) 15:58:24 ok, let's invoke it together 15:58:29 retrobot2: huhuhuh 15:58:31 Sonarman: computers? never? make? mistakes? 15:58:32 retrobot2: huhuhuh 15:58:34 Sonarman: computers? never? make? mistakes? 15:58:35 retrobot2: huhuhuh 15:58:37 Sonarman: computers? never? make? mistakes? 15:58:39 retrobot2: huhuhuh 15:58:40 Sonarman: computers? never? make? mistakes? 15:59:05 sorry 15:59:07 retrobot2: huhuhuhh 15:59:08 wossname: computers? never? make? mistakes? 15:59:10 retrobot2: huhuhuhh 15:59:11 wossname: computers? never? make? mistakes? 15:59:12 retrobot2: huhuhuhh 15:59:13 wossname: computers? never? make? mistakes? 15:59:15 WORK TOGETERH 15:59:16 retrobot2: huhuhuhh 15:59:17 wossname: computers? never? make? mistakes? 15:59:30 ok, i'll join in when you start 15:59:47 hell, why doesn't arke kick it 16:01:39 hmm, is it possible to be kicked for flooding in a /query? 16:06:52 Sonarman: I believe flooding works just fine with /msg 16:07:20 so we need another bot to flood it 16:07:33 --- quit: retrobot2 (Remote closed the connection) 16:07:37 oh 16:11:03 --- quit: swsch (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16:12:34 --- join: retrobot2 (crc@bespin.org) joined #forth 16:12:34 RetroForth Bot -- Type retrobot2: 16:15:55 ok, retrobot2 is going to spend the next 20 minutes messaging me that line 16:24:43 --- join: TheBlueWizard (TheBlueWiz@modem-137.nyc-tc03b.FCC.NET) joined #forth 16:28:04 * TheBlueWizard notices he is no longer an op on #forth....hmm! 16:31:23 You're out, blue. A has-been, a nobody, kaputz, irrelevent, only breathing by virtue of our indolence -- or else you'd be defenestrated, deconstructed, devalued, debased, detested (and tested even more harshly!), and desired^W^W. 16:32:27 No, don't hang around to make sense of what's happened -- just leave. Hang your head in shame and slink out of here and don't come 'round here no more, because we don't like your kind here, Blue, and we don't like the way you and your 'wizard' friends have been eye'n our children. 16:32:35 --- quit: ows (Connection timed out) 16:32:38 hmm...seems I'm no longer a l33t guy anymore....ok...I will not come here anymore then 16:32:45 just kidding 16:33:12 --- join: ows (~ows@a81-84-114-211.netcabo.pt) joined #forth 16:38:30 eh... that was uncalled for ayrnieu 16:38:32 :\ 16:38:59 i cant speak for the others, but i havent seen tbw strike out to anyone as long as i've been here... 16:40:24 TBW is a CORRUPTING INFLUENCE 16:40:44 like sulphuric acid among the sheep 16:41:18 * TheBlueWizard rolls his eyes 16:48:55 * fridge hugs TheBlueWizard 16:49:18 don't listen to their mean words 16:49:32 aww thanks, fridge :) 16:51:41 anyone know whether i can hide a certain table by having a javascript on load event in a hyperlink? pretty please? :p 16:52:08 i want to try and get the weblog part of a free weblog site on my homepage. but i only want the log entries, not the bullshit crap it adds by default 16:52:22 for some reason i am able to add tags 16:52:33 and i know you can "hide" stuff with javascript, including entire tables 16:52:52 i'm just not sure whether it works with on load, and whether hmm...I think you can type visible=off or something like that directly in the table tag (gee, I'm out of Javascript/HTML practice) 16:53:47 yes, that would be nice, unfortunatly i only have access to the gui frontend :p 16:53:50 http://testding.web-log.nl/ 16:54:00 i can add stuff like moo and asd 16:54:04 blaat and more blaat 16:54:08 but the rest is there by default 16:54:13 and i only want the right parts 16:54:25 the top, and the left can get lost pls :p 16:56:29 hm lets see whether they'll parse that javascript part out 17:00:05 it works... but i think i dont have enough space (characters) to do the whole onload string, whatever it is :p 17:03:42 --- quit: TheBlueWizard (Nick collision from services.) 17:04:09 --- join: TheBlueWizard (TheBlueWiz@modem-011.nyc-tc03a.fcc.net) joined #forth 17:04:57 grr re: my ISP...anyway, try this: and the Javascript code for making it visible would be (assuming IE code): document.cutetable.visibility="show"; 17:05:10 i r unable to edit the source 17:05:30 i dont think the table header is supposed to have hmm...sounds like whatever your editor you got sucks...if I can't edit the source, I wouldn't use it 17:06:37 ahw crap. nevermind the whole parser only shows html in preview 17:06:44 nonono its a "free" weblog 17:06:49 but you're bound by the default page 17:07:08 you know, you can edit links and logs and stuff, but you cant directly manipulate the source 17:07:30 ah 17:07:33 but i only want the ... hmmm arent you able to alter the contents of a sibling page from the parent? 17:08:01 if i spawn this page inside my own site (which is already what i want to do), cant i hide those tables from the parent? 17:08:20 i think i can actually just hide a whole class... 17:09:04 so that's why you're thinking of onload event...I am even less familiar with that...but I think you can try the Javascript code I mentioned above, like onload="document.niftytable.visibility='hidden';" 17:09:09 yeah 17:09:27 but its a no go since it shows the anchor in the preview, but not in the final :\ 17:09:48 only the [href] type of tags are allowed 17:10:00 which is unhackable, well, not for my purpose 17:10:19 that's a pain :( 17:10:30 but i dont want the menu and stuff 17:10:33 so much for "free" :) 17:10:38 i can live with the top bar 17:10:47 but its already going to be framed 17:11:24 hmhmhmhm can i do onload="parent.child.document.niftytable.visibility='hidden';" 17:11:36 or without the document actually 17:12:01 should be possible imo :p 17:12:31 should be.... 17:12:50 but i recall there were certain restrictions for accessing properties of a child page from the parent 17:13:01 i'll test some tomorrow 17:13:42 --- quit: ayrnieu ("system") 17:16:10 i already have a hack like this 17:16:18 (in a anchor) 17:16:19 onClick="document.frames.ondermenu.location='variousmenu.html'" 17:16:20 :p 17:16:27 works on some, not on others 17:16:30 browsers that is 17:16:40 shows a neat small cute menu 17:16:54 but all it really does is load an additional page as a frame 17:18:31 document.frames.main.maintables.visibility='hidden' would that work even if the page hasnt been loaded yet? 17:18:46