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03:06:19 <robert> wossname!
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04:26:47 <robert> Openoffice.org is pretty HUGE.
04:26:58 * robert notices that when dist-upgrading his system.
04:29:49 <mur> 150 MB!
04:29:59 <robert> Nah, 50MB here.
04:30:00 <mur> robert, "works as windows"
04:30:33 <robert> brb, got to clean up a bit.
04:31:17 <mur> oooogh
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04:58:50 <robert> Hi wincent 
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06:05:49 <tathi> I just discovered readline
06:06:02 <tathi> very cool.
06:06:29 <tathi> I've been wanting vi-style key-bindings and completions in bash for ages. :)
06:21:57 <wossname> retrobot: eval 2 2 +
06:22:04 <wossname> retrobot: 2 2 +
06:22:09 <wossname> retrobot: ok fuck you
06:22:17 <wossname> retrobot2: 2 2 +
06:22:19 <retrobot2> wossname: 
06:22:24 <wossname> retrobot2: 2 2 + .
06:22:24 <robert> Hah.
06:22:25 <retrobot2> wossname: 4 
06:22:26 <tathi> there you go :)
06:22:28 <wossname> :)
06:22:43 <robert> retrobot2: : foo 1 foo 2 foo + . ; foo
06:22:44 <retrobot2> robert: 
06:22:49 <robert> :-(
06:22:53 <tathi> wossname: no tab completion?
06:23:07 <wossname> i don't believe in tab completion, except for stupid file names
06:23:11 <robert> Hah
06:23:25 <tathi> ok
06:23:35 <robert> Before I discovered tab completion I thought Linux was useless. ;)
06:23:48 <tathi> I have to say, I think tab-completion is great :)
06:24:20 <wossname> retrobot2: ." a faggy string constant" .
06:24:21 <retrobot2> wossname: 
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06:27:11 <allefant> hello
06:27:37 <robert> Hi
06:27:59 <allefant> what is the forth way to do this: if (x and y ) A else B then
06:28:02 <allefant> right now i have:
06:28:20 <allefant> x IF y IF A ELSE B THEN B THEN
06:28:28 <allefant> but it feels wrong to need B 2 times
06:29:00 <allefant> (y may not be called if x is false, so AND won't work)
06:29:15 <robert> You could use exit.
06:29:39 <robert> Depending on which Forth you're using, that may be more convenient.
06:29:54 <allefant> i see, so i get 2 exit instead of 2 B
06:30:11 <robert> x if y if a exit then then b 
06:30:38 <allefant> ah, or like that
06:30:58 <robert> I prefer using exit instead of else, personally.
06:31:13 <allefant> i think i was just writing too much into one word
06:31:24 <allefant> never can think of names for small temporary words
06:31:39 <wossname> retrobot2: 1 dup = .
06:31:40 <retrobot2> wossname: 
06:31:46 <wossname> retrobot2: 1 dup =
06:31:48 <retrobot2> wossname: 
06:32:03 <wossname> retrobot2: 1 dup = if 1 else 2 then .
06:32:04 <retrobot2> wossname: 
06:32:13 <wossname> bleh
06:32:20 <allefant> retrobot2: words
06:32:21 <retrobot2> allefant: 
06:33:11 <robert> allefant: Yeah, that can be hard. :)
06:34:17 <wossname> robert, make retrobot work for me :(
06:35:15 <tathi> retrobot2: 17 .
06:35:16 <retrobot2> tathi: 
06:35:43 <wossname> >:D
06:35:47 <tathi> I think robert broke it with his foo :P
06:36:00 <wossname> good rob, robtrob
06:36:05 <wossname> bleh@$
06:39:08 <wossname> ooh, voodoo child
06:44:06 <robert> Tsss...
06:44:10 <robert> I wouldn't do THAT.
06:44:18 <robert> I cause mental breakdowns in humans, not computers.
06:46:06 <tathi> heh :)
06:46:44 <tathi> retrobot2: 17 18 19 20 . . .
06:46:45 <retrobot2> tathi: 
06:46:53 <wossname> retrobot2: reset
06:46:54 <retrobot2> wossname: 
06:47:02 <wossname> retrobot2: 10 +
06:47:03 <retrobot2> wossname: 
06:47:11 <wossname> retrobot2: stop foo!
06:47:13 <retrobot2> wossname: 
06:47:32 <wossname> robert, i was going to do an elite hack in channel
06:47:43 <wossname> you've stopped my creative urges from ever flowering
06:47:56 <tathi> well, crc said it needed work :)
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08:39:02 <robert> Hi ows 
08:39:22 <ows> hi
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11:56:08 --- topic: 'i still love you all, even if some of you are pedantical..  compassion for ones fellow morons (and we are all morons)'
11:56:08 --- topic: set by cduce on [Thu Nov 11 23:58:51 2004]
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14:34:39 <robert> Hi TheBlueWizard 
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14:34:57 <robert> Hey Ray
14:35:32 <Raystm2> Hi Robert: how's the weekend going ?
14:35:47 <robert> Just fine! Got my Forth compiler to compile some Forth. :)
14:36:05 <Raystm2> way cool!!! congrats are in order! 
14:36:09 <TheBlueWizard> robert hiya
14:36:11 <Raystm2> congrats
14:36:29 <TheBlueWizard> congrats re: the compiling success
14:36:35 <Raystm2> hey TheBlueWizard: how have you been?
14:36:45 <robert> Thank you. :)
14:37:03 <robert> Now I'll just have to write the Forth code... ;)
14:37:34 <TheBlueWizard> doing fine....I was building a mirror of the stuff I have on my laptop earlier today...it is still not done! (about 300 meg stuff)
14:37:51 <Raystm2> robert: hehe -- get hot son -- good to hear. I can't wait to write my first forth
14:38:17 <robert> Oh, I thought you already did that
14:38:44 <Raystm2> wow TheBlueWizard: that's a lot of uploading. dialup or better?
14:39:09 <Raystm2> not really robert, my claim to fame is getting colorforth running on pentium 4.
14:39:40 <Raystm2> robert: compaq presario at that -- which seems to be a problem in the world.
14:39:41 <robert> It isn't?
14:39:47 <robert> Ah
14:41:34 <Raystm2> robert: Howerd Oakford and I are corresponding weekly trying to solve the "save" to disk problem that has plagued many versions of colorforth.
14:42:07 <robert> Save to disks in general, or just floppies/just hard drives?
14:42:32 <TheBlueWizard> Raystm2: well, I use a "better" way, and technically, it is not an uploading...I use parallel cable to copy the stuff to my Amiga box
14:43:08 <Raystm2> it appears that compaq and dell computers don't like VESA -- save to floppy first, then we'll worry about hd later.
14:43:20 <Raystm2> TheBlueWizard: ah , thanks for clarity :)
14:43:45 * Raystm2 can't wait for the dsl connetion that "turns on" on the 17th :)
14:44:06 <robert> Oh, congratulations to THAT
14:44:07 <TheBlueWizard> I don't have any website of my own....someday I may have one :)
14:44:19 <robert> Important thing
14:44:55 <Raystm2> thanks robert -- TheBlueWizard: me neither and soon I will too. gonna turn all my varied hobbies into a "cash cow". hehehe.
14:46:17 <TheBlueWizard> heh
14:47:21 <Raystm2> I'll use all my varied hobbies and free content as a funnel to teach others how and why it's important in USA to have a home biz - if just for tax purposed - but to show that I make my living in many areas from home.
14:47:54 <Raystm2> and enough about that --- topic?
14:48:27 <Raystm2> robert: do you have an instruction set for your forth yet?
14:49:20 <robert> Not really, I'm making it up on the fly
14:49:31 <robert> Just using what seems short and logical.
14:49:52 * TheBlueWizard uses a magnifying lens to examine the back of a fly
14:49:55 <robert> But don't worry, I _will_ document it. ;)
14:50:27 * robert giggles at TheBlueWizard's attempt to read his documentation
14:50:58 <Raystm2> oninoshiko has come up with a 25 word list that I like ( oninoshiko is a mainstay of the colorforth community ) his is loosely based on colorforth and he's trying very hard to get it down to 24.
14:51:20 <robert> Heh. :)
14:52:04 <Raystm2> TheBlueWizard: ah pets!
14:52:11 <robert> I don't know how many that will be implemented in asm, probably something like that. The rest in Forth.
14:52:44 <TheBlueWizard> Raystm2: no....see what robert said about making up on the fly :)
14:53:06 <Raystm2> robert: I read that the trade off is usabillity verses optimization.
14:53:20 <Raystm2> TheBlueWizard: ah pet projects!
14:53:36 <Raystm2> revised
14:54:00 <robert> Raystm2: Actually I'm just implementing the words needed to construct the compiler.
14:54:16 <robert> And it will start compiling itself from that base.
14:54:45 <Raystm2> robert: very cool -- can't wait to read the docs and disect the code then. :)
14:55:05 <robert> The "compiler" now is basically one HUGE assembly language word, called "process" - which reads a word and compiles/interprets it.
14:55:45 <robert> Hehe, I will release those AFTER I tidy the code up a bit (and make it run, that's an important part too).
14:56:37 <Raystm2> robert: true, and I bet it won't hurt to get one of the more experianced guys here to put another pair of eyes on it.
14:57:21 <robert> Nope! I'm grateful for every bug they stomp on for me
14:57:39 <Raystm2> I would be also. :)
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19:20:42 <retrobot2> RetroForth Bot -- Type retrobot2: <forth code here>
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