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02:47:28 <Serg_penguin> hi !
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06:50:01 <I440r> oopts almost had a bug there
07:35:33 <Robert> Hah. :)
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09:36:11 * Sonarman looks at topic and laughs
09:36:21 <Robert> :)
09:36:23 <Robert> Hi there
09:36:31 <Sonarman> hi
09:36:55 <Sonarman> how's it going?
09:37:19 <Robert> Much better.. I am playing with some electronics, and soon I'll continue coding.
09:37:35 <Sonarman> cool :)
09:38:07 <Robert> Yep.. and I figured out how to do those late bindings.
09:38:23 <Sonarman> ah, neat
09:38:49 <Robert> Yeah, I hope that will make things a lot cleaner. Thanks for the suggestion. :)
09:39:08 <Sonarman> are you going to make it also possible to flag certain methods as early bound, i.e., unoverideable in subclasses?
09:40:05 <Robert> Actually I was going to do that with entire classes (mostly for efficiency reasons).
09:40:10 <Sonarman> cool
09:40:29 <Robert> Unless you have any good arguments for doing this method-specific
09:40:39 <Sonarman> hmm?
09:40:41 <Robert> That wouldn't be much extra work, really. 
09:41:14 <Robert> I mean, instead of specifying an entire CLASS as early bound you could do it for every method you want.
09:41:22 <Sonarman> ah
09:41:59 <Sonarman> i guess it doesn't matter which way you do it
09:42:41 <Sonarman> but if you want to have both early-bound and late-bound methods in future classes, you might as well include support for creating early-bound methods
09:43:17 <Robert> Yes.
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10:57:05 <Robert> kthxhai
10:57:05 <Sonarman> none of that hungarian notation crap here
10:57:09 <Sonarman> haiahi
10:57:12 * Robert morse
10:57:49 <Sonarman> morsie morse
11:00:03 <Robert> It's fun ;-D
11:00:04 <warpzero> japanese is moon-man langauge
11:00:52 <Robert> It is...better use morse speak.
11:01:19 <warpzero> wtf does drop do
11:05:48 <Robert> does> drop do
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11:33:53 <Sonarman> hi
11:38:54 <Robert> Hi
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12:45:12 <Robert> Hi snowrichard + futhin 
12:45:29 <snowrichard> hello
12:45:46 <futhin> whuh?
12:45:47 <futhin> uh.. hi
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15:31:48 <Robert> Heh.
15:32:09 <Robert> Do we want colored forthers in here?
15:35:16 <futhin> sure
15:35:18 <futhin> i guess
15:35:19 <futhin> dunno
15:35:22 <futhin> whatever
15:35:31 <futhin> Robert: do we want non-forthers in here?
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15:36:06 <Robert> Non-colored forthers are non-forthers?
15:36:41 <futhin> not talking about that
15:36:58 <Robert> What then?
15:43:04 <futhin> i have an urge to fix this channel
15:43:08 <qFox> futhin> actually. yes. 
15:43:11 <futhin> but i don't know how to do it in a non-painless way
15:43:14 <qFox> only to turn them though.
15:43:26 <Robert> Hi qFox 
15:43:29 <qFox> hey
15:43:47 <Robert> futhin: Does "fixing" involve kicking half the crowd?
15:43:57 <qFox> oh, the whole worled is fucked up, so why shouldnt this channel be... :\
15:44:53 <Robert> :~(
15:45:19 <qFox> as predicted, that murder turned our whole country upsidedown and made it all evil and lame and stuff
15:45:40 <qFox> politics can go straight to hell, if it isnt just that already...
15:45:46 <qFox> bah
15:46:31 <futhin> what murder
15:46:57 <qFox> a public (non-political) figure got murdered in holland last week
15:47:12 <Robert> The non-BSD Theo? ;D
15:47:16 <qFox> in almost broad daylight (9am), on the street and everything
15:47:20 <qFox> thattaone
15:47:42 <qFox> he got shot first, and then stabbed once shot down (from accross the street...)
15:47:57 <qFox> then the guy ran away (but was taken down a few blocks down)
15:48:02 <qFox> he left a note on the body
15:48:17 <qFox> and had a note on himself, wanting to have died like a marter, in a gunfight with the cops
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15:48:46 <Robert> Fun, fun..
15:48:52 <qFox> maybe i should add that the note had islamic related text on it, likewise was the note he carried on himself.
15:49:11 <Robert> We know
15:49:15 <qFox> it actually was made public, you can probably find a dozen different translations on the web by now
15:49:20 <futhin> i don't watch the news
15:49:26 <qFox> anyways
15:49:42 <qFox> there were raids yesterday, one was covered by the media big time
15:50:32 <qFox> grenade exploded wounding 3 cops (thats still big news around here, grenades exploding that is ;), and in the end (after 14h) they only arrested two ppl.... one of them was shot in the shoulder
15:50:42 <futhin> so some guy murders some nobody and someone else plants islamic text on him, or maybe he had islamic text with him but the whole thing is staged by TPTB in order to have an excuse to start making some raids etc?
15:50:59 <qFox> TPTB?
15:51:02 <futhin> the powers that be
15:51:05 <qFox> oh
15:52:11 <futhin> it sounds pretty farfetched for some guy to murder some nobody AND have islamic text on him..
15:52:22 <futhin> there's probably stuff i don't know about the situation
15:52:36 <qFox> no this is actually fact..
15:52:37 <futhin> unfortunately i wouldn't be able to get the truth from the media
15:52:47 <Robert> "some nobody"?
15:52:59 <qFox> well, our "NSA" knew him appearantly
15:53:20 <qFox> but whatever documents they had on him, was appearantly already leaked to teh group he was (supposively) affiliated with.
15:53:22 <futhin> well nobody in the sense that everyone is nobody
15:53:52 <qFox> some big fuz going on about that. ministers fighting for their jobs because they're responsible for the leak, etc etc.
15:53:59 <qFox> its fun fun fun over here right now
15:54:33 <qFox> anyways, biggest problem right now is that islamic ... property is getting damaged as a result of this murder
15:55:00 <qFox> and churches and stuff are too as a retaliation for damaging the islamic property. downwards spiral
15:55:03 <Robert> Burn down some synagogs and you're even
15:55:06 <Robert> Heh
15:55:21 <qFox> well, an islamic school was burned to the floor yesterday
15:55:26 <Robert> :/
15:55:29 <qFox> yeh
15:55:41 <qFox> so its all pretty much suck.
15:56:30 <qFox> ohwell, i dont know where you all live, but from what i've read, his movies were sold to a dozen countries around the globe. odds are you'll be able to see his work yourself! (yay! ...)
15:56:58 <qFox> but hey, whatever. futhin do enlighten us about this "fix"...
15:57:11 <Robert> Eh, or don't, if it involved violence. :)
15:57:22 <qFox> i'd say its inevitable
15:57:53 <qFox> i havent been following #forth-politics much, but appearantly some bomb exploded, and i wouldnt be surprised if another one blows.
15:58:07 <qFox> then again, i dont think it concerns me, so i guess i'll shutup and go to bed.
15:58:12 <Robert> Hehe
15:58:16 <Robert> Trusten :)
15:58:20 <qFox> nite
15:58:21 * Robert will code some and the sleep
15:58:40 <qFox> have you given some thought about that "challenge" from the other day?
15:58:45 <qFox> any at all? :p
15:58:58 <qFox> still want to give it a shot
15:59:03 <Robert> Nope.
15:59:09 <qFox> shame!
15:59:12 <Robert> :~(
15:59:12 <qFox> fine.
15:59:27 <qFox> guess i'll have to go and defend our honor :p
15:59:33 <Robert> :D
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16:09:09 <arke> why helooooo nurses!
16:09:28 --- mode: futhin set +o arke
16:09:44 <arke> why helloooooooo futhin 
16:09:48 <arke> heloooo world
16:09:54 <arke> I am here to cause large-scale mayhem!
16:09:55 <arke> :)
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16:10:55 <arke> hi TheBlueWizard 
16:11:23 <Robert> Hi
16:11:40 <TheBlueWizard> arke hiya
16:11:41 <arke> hi robtrob
16:11:46 <TheBlueWizard> Robert hiya
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16:12:36 * TheBlueWizard stands in awe of futhin :)
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16:12:55 <futhin> ok good enuf
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16:12:59 <arke> :)
16:13:02 <arke> 100% oppage
16:13:11 <tathi> ok...that was just incredibly pointless :)
16:13:16 <TheBlueWizard> lol
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16:13:41 <futhin> bye bye chanserv
16:13:48 <TheBlueWizard> lol
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16:13:59 <futhin> damn u chanserv!
16:14:05 <TheBlueWizard> I guess chanserv got annoyed wuth all these oppings :)
16:14:28 <Robert> Heh.
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16:15:44 <arke> n000000!
16:15:51 <arke> 'tis my fault!
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16:16:01 <arke> hrm, autoop, sweet
16:16:13 <arke> heh
16:16:18 <arke> well, you know what?
16:16:22 <arke> bitchx has a nice command
16:16:31 <futhin> yeah its called /fuckemall
16:16:34 <futhin> or osmething like that
16:16:36 <arke> yeah
16:16:40 <arke> i wish I was on BX
16:16:44 <arke> I'd use it for the hell of it
16:18:21 <TheBlueWizard> wjat does that do?
16:18:30 <TheBlueWizard> s/wjat/what/
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16:20:24 <futhin> it kickbans everyone or something like that
16:20:58 <arke> exactly
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16:23:14 <TheBlueWizard> I see :)
16:25:58 <aum> any picforth users here?
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16:52:03 <futhin> aum: no
16:54:40 <Robert> arke: That was you, right?
16:54:50 <Robert> aum: No, but I use PIC, Forth and even Forth on PIC. ;)
16:56:00 <arke> Robert: ?
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16:57:13 <Robert> That
16:57:37 <futhin> yeah
16:57:41 <arke> Robert: uuh...no...... <_< >_>
16:57:48 <futhin> he was gonna do the /fuckemall command
16:57:50 <futhin> but then aum spoke
16:57:52 <futhin> and saved you all
16:57:58 <futhin> bastards!
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17:00:30 <Robert> Someone doesn't want to join the games in the sandbox.
17:00:41 <Robert> I bet tathi will become one of those unsocial types.
17:01:03 <tathi> what do you mean, become?
17:01:37 <tathi> I never claimed to be a social type in the first place :P
17:03:06 <aum> forth programmers are /not/ social ;p
17:03:10 <arke> tathi = INTP != social ^_^ ^_^ ^_^
17:03:46 <aum> forth is beaten only by brain****, f*ckf*ck and whitespace for antisocial languages
17:03:46 <futhin> actually INTP doesn't mean you're unsocial or not
17:03:54 <futhin> for example i'm INTP but i'm quite extroverted
17:04:17 <futhin> i enjoy big happening parties, and tons of nubile girls in sheer clothing
17:04:30 <Robert> I enjoy Forth.
17:04:33 <aum> I prefer the nubile girls in body paint
17:04:46 <Robert> Cherry juice. :)
17:04:48 <futhin> that only happens on halloween
17:04:57 <aum> forth does rock - it's proving a god-send for PIC firmware (4k code limit, 256 byte RAM limit)
17:05:16 <futhin> i don't think forth is antisocial
17:05:19 <futhin> you've hurt my feelings
17:06:16 <aum> i only say that because a lot of forth code out there is obfuscated
17:06:18 <arke> Robert: DO NOT MENTION CHERRY JUICE IN CONNECTION WITH SEXY FEMALES!
17:06:21 <arke> Robert: ....
17:06:27 <Robert> Hihi
17:06:34 <arke> Robert: well, you may, but only if you send me pics of your sister nekkk1d
17:06:35 <aum> cherry juice? as in virgins?
17:06:38 <Robert> aum: Is picforth good at optimizing?
17:06:41 <arke> aum: not quite.
17:06:50 <Robert> aum: No, think...much more literally.
17:06:51 <aum> Robert: picforth optimises beautifully
17:07:13 <Robert> aum: That's good..is it commercial?
17:07:15 <aum> Robert: picforth eliminates almost 100% of redundant pushes/pops
17:07:24 <Robert> Great. :)
17:07:40 <futhin> cherry juice = the blood that comes from breaking her hymen.   
17:07:46 <futhin> i didn't realize you were so disgusting robert
17:07:50 <aum> Robert: PicForth itself is GPL, but there's a GPL exclusion on teherated code
17:08:03 <aum> s/teherated/the generated/
17:08:33 <TheBlueWizard> gotta go...all bye
17:08:34 <futhin> you could've pretended teherated is a real word
17:08:41 <Robert> aum: Ah, excellent! Maybe I should give it a try. On AVRs I prefer to use asm for manual optimizations, but the PIC? Too much pain.
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17:09:00 <arke> Robert: will you accept my offer? :)
17:09:07 <Robert> arke: Hm?
17:09:25 <aum> i find it hard to beat picforth's code - takes a lot of hand-tweaking to slice off a byte here and there
17:09:51 <aum> also, picforth eliminates almost all the pain of the PIC architecture
17:10:04 <Robert> aum: I am having some evil plans, involving PICs. So this could be a good thing.
17:10:14 <aum> I totally recommend picforth
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17:10:42 <aum> http://www.freenet.org.nz/pic/picforth/review.html
17:10:47 <Robert> Thanks
17:11:14 <Robert> In case you want to hear, don't use /ignore now.
17:11:18 <arke> 17:06 <@arke> Robert: DO NOT MENTION CHERRY JUICE IN CONNECTION WITH SEXY FEMALES!
17:11:22 <arke> 17:06 <@arke> Robert: ....
17:11:24 <arke> 17:06 <@Robert> Hihi
17:11:26 <arke> 17:06 <@arke> Robert: well, you may, but only if you send me pics of your sister nekkk1d
17:11:49 * Robert is thinking about making a PIC based "BBS" using morse code via shortwave radio.
17:12:12 <futhin> call it opengnupicbbs
17:12:13 <Robert> arke: Fuck you. Perhaps I should send MegaHAL logs of dirty talking instead.
17:12:15 <Sonarman> morse code bbs?
17:12:18 <futhin> opengnupicbbs.sf.net
17:12:31 <Robert> futhin: ...no. :)
17:12:34 <Robert> Sonarman: Yes
17:12:40 <Sonarman> hehehe
17:12:43 <futhin> fool
17:12:48 <aum> is this chan still being logged to the www?
17:12:52 <futhin> yes
17:12:56 <Robert> By two bots.
17:13:02 <arke> at the same time.
17:13:02 <futhin> and by robert
17:13:03 <arke> ....
17:13:03 <arke> wait
17:13:05 <aum> morally questionable practice imo
17:13:06 <arke> i should be scared now
17:13:09 <arke> shoudn't I?
17:13:09 <arke> :/
17:13:15 <futhin> arke, its googleable too!
17:13:16 <Robert> No, I don't publish my logs.
17:13:23 <arke> omgomgomgogmomgomgo polease forgive me FBI I was kidding I have no kiddy pr0n on my box!!!!
17:13:30 * arke cries
17:13:41 <futhin> some moron changed the robots.txt ..
17:13:43 <arke> Robert: kidding, of course! you may make reference to cherry juice any time you wish!!!1
17:13:46 <arke> :)
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17:14:13 <futhin> i wonder if someone from the channel asked hcf to change the robots.txt to allow the logs to be googleable?
17:14:30 <futhin> fbi wouldn't use google
17:14:33 <futhin> they'd have their own bots
17:14:38 <futhin> and they'd ignore robots.txt
17:14:55 <futhin> so its clear! we must prevent the logs from ever reaching the internet!
17:15:08 <futhin> and we must kickban all ppl affiliated iwth FBI/CIA/NSA on this channel
17:15:54 * arke looks around for BX user
17:15:56 <arke> :)
17:16:23 <arke> man, I wish I had a younger sister
17:17:37 <futhin> you sick fuck
17:19:01 <Robert> I second that
17:19:02 <arke> ...what?
17:19:08 <arke> I didn't mean it like that!
17:19:22 <arke> I havfe a younger brother and he's annoying as hell
17:19:30 <arke> robtrob has a sister that creates levels for his game
17:19:35 <arke> hrrr
17:19:37 <Robert> Anyway... yay for me. I got my 136kHz crystal controlled oscillator running!
17:19:44 <arke> yay
17:19:44 <futhin> robert doesn't have game
17:19:48 <Robert> arke: ...and talks dirty to my MegaHAL.
17:20:00 <Robert> futhin: I have game4.
17:20:01 <arke> Robert: ...is that a sexual innuendo? :) :) :)
17:21:02 <futhin> arke, go do some sexual innuendo on some cute girl
17:21:31 <arke> they don't like me..... XD
17:22:02 <futhin> well then lose that flab or something
17:22:04 <futhin> and dress better
17:22:16 <futhin> looking the best you can even if you're fat makes a big diff
17:22:38 <futhin> in fact girls don't really worry too much about you being fat or ugly as long as you are doing the best you can
17:22:46 <futhin> and act confident and shit
17:22:49 <futhin> cuz thats what they like
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18:14:26 <aum> girls can easily tell if a guy is truly confident and self-accepting, or if he's just putting up a front
18:16:13 <futhin> yes and no
18:16:56 <futhin> girls also suffer confidence issues themselves so that affects their perception
18:17:04 <aum> true
18:17:23 <futhin> besides i think you're talking about perfect confidence
18:17:30 <futhin> aka "self-accepting"
18:17:30 <aum> i guess i was referring more to /proper/ girls - ie, who've made good inroads with sorting their own stuff
18:17:59 <futhin> there's lots of guys that come across as socially dominant etc aka "confident" but they aren't really internally confident
18:18:11 <futhin> but its not noticeable right away
18:18:21 <futhin> or even noticeable consciously
18:18:29 <aum> that is true, and there are girls who are easily fooled by such guys
18:18:36 <futhin> unless you really thought about what's the reason for his behaviors etc
18:19:05 <aum> the male mating instinct is strongly geared towards /quantity/, while the female mating instinct is geared towards /quality/
18:19:40 <futhin> yeah sure
18:19:54 <futhin> but lately research is showing that women cheat just as much as men do
18:20:31 <aum> cheat, as classically defined (ie, penetrative sex)? or, in more general terms, eg including internet romances?
18:21:00 <futhin> the former
18:21:17 <aum> got a url for this research?
18:21:24 <futhin> not off hand
18:21:53 <futhin> its just i've been seeing articles discussing that appearing in the news paper
18:22:28 <aum> one thing is true - women are far better than men at concealing their cheating
18:22:46 <futhin> not necessarily..
18:22:55 <aum> on average, i mean
18:22:56 <futhin> just society was biased against men in terms of cheating
18:23:02 <futhin> so thats what ppl noticed
18:23:38 <aum> well, men are these hairier, more primitive apes that perpetrate most of the death and violence
18:23:51 <futhin> altho women do lie better ;)
18:23:54 <futhin> and more ;)
18:26:38 <futhin> ask girls themselves "who lies more? men or women?" :)
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19:43:43 <futhin> hello solar_angel 
19:44:45 <solar_angel> hi futhin
19:45:25 <futhin> you new?
19:45:42 <solar_angel> me, new?
19:45:43 <solar_angel> nope.
19:54:03 <aum> yo all
19:55:06 <madgarden> hi
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21:18:52 <mur> deduction!
21:19:04 <futhin> thats right
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22:26:48 <enderxzebulun> ahem
22:27:00 <futhin> :P
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22:27:09 <futhin> i'm too tired to explain forth to ya tho heh
22:27:16 <enderxzebulun> its ok
22:27:19 <enderxzebulun> ill just idle lol
22:27:19 <futhin> suffice to say its a bit weird
22:27:24 <enderxzebulun> so is lisp
22:27:36 <futhin> you could check http://forth.bespin.org/ i think i left an old page on it
22:27:38 <futhin> with some links and shit
22:28:14 <enderxzebulun> cool
22:28:28 <futhin> heh i have forthology.com all registered but i havn't put up a page on it yet
22:29:51 <futhin> enderxzebulun: there's even forthchips where forth is the actual assembly language of it
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22:30:21 <solar_angel> i've designed a forthchip
22:30:47 <futhin> basically forth represents a virtual machine with two stacks
22:30:58 <Raystm2> solar_angel ; that's impressive- :)
22:31:00 <Serg_penguin> hi !
22:31:03 <futhin> one is the data stack for passing messages and a return stack
22:31:07 <Raystm2> hi!
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22:31:29 <ender`afk> thx
22:31:34 <ender`afk> man that was a piss
22:31:35 <Raystm2> thx
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22:31:40 <futhin> enderxzebulun: haha
22:31:46 <Raystm2> was it then?
22:32:06 <futhin> enderxzebulun: the tricky part is dealing with a stack requires reverse polish notation
22:32:09 <futhin> 2 2 +
22:32:12 <Raystm2> enderxzebulun : got a bottle by the key board then :)
22:32:14 <futhin> instead of 2 + 2
22:32:39 <Raystm2> futhin : just like the computer needs it - right ?
22:32:56 <solar_angel> heh
22:32:58 <enderxzebulun> nah just the bathroom next to my room thank god
22:33:10 <Raystm2> of course lisp would be (+ 2 2) or is that scheme.
22:33:16 <futhin> asm is vaguely reverse polish notation
22:33:20 <futhin> mov ax, 2
22:33:23 <futhin> move bx, 2
22:33:24 <futhin> add ax, bx
22:33:24 <enderxzebulun> yea i actually like asms noation
22:33:54 <Raystm2> oh yea list add( 2 2 ) scheme (add 2 2 ) or am I wrong here ?
22:34:04 <Raystm2> lisp not list doh!
22:34:15 <futhin> i think lisp has (+ 2 2)
22:34:20 <Raystm2> cool.
22:34:30 <futhin> lisp and scheme, pff same thing ;)
22:34:31 <Raystm2> been a while since I found forth :)
22:35:29 <Raystm2> I guess it's true -- you dont wanna go back -- though I loved lisp too when I found it -- still do really . that and python and forth are my fav's :)
22:35:46 <Raystm2> especially colorforth.
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23:07:05 <Herkamire> asm isn't like reverse polish notation at all
23:07:13 <Herkamire> you put the operation first
23:07:39 <Herkamire> in reverse polish, you specify arguments first, then operation
23:07:42 <solar_angel> Herkamire - actually, x86 assembly is a wonderful forth machine
23:08:02 <solar_angel> i wrote an optimizing forth compiler for x86 once...
23:08:07 <solar_angel> and it did a passable job at optimizing too
23:08:08 <Herkamire> solar_angel: I'd have to go ahead and sortof... dissagree with you there
23:09:07 <solar_angel> why?
23:09:16 <solar_angel> i mean, it's not a *native* forth processor
23:09:18 <Herkamire> 1) x86 is not a forth machine at all
23:09:25 <solar_angel> but damn you can make a sweet STC native-code FORTH out of it
23:09:27 <Herkamire> 2) it's horribly complex
23:09:44 <Herkamire> 3) it's a hack of a hack of a hack of a hack
23:09:46 <solar_angel> i just dynamically allocated the registers to places on the stack.
23:09:59 <solar_angel> so swap, for example, didn't even generate any assembly output
23:10:04 <solar_angel> for most cases, anyway
23:10:49 <solar_angel> and the two-operand instructions are great for FORTH when you do it that way
23:11:05 <solar_angel> add one register to another, storing the contents in the destination?  perfect!
23:11:53 <Herkamire> is there an instruction to subtract A from B leaving the answer in B?
23:12:31 <Herkamire> that's cool you made an optomizer. 
23:12:42 <Herkamire> but I don't see how that's any easier or better on x86 that other platforms
23:13:54 <solar_angel> well, truthfully, except for input type, that particular project had very little in common with an average FORTH
23:14:38 <solar_angel> it looked like a duck, quacked like a dog, and walked like a rabbit
23:16:06 <solar_angel> rather, it was written in C, compiled native assembly, and took a forth dialect as input
23:16:15 <solar_angel> single stack, oddly enough
23:17:30 <Herkamire> no data stack?
23:18:45 <Herkamire> you store data and return addresses on the same stack?
23:18:57 <Herkamire> or do you mean that you didn't create forth words to access the return stack?
23:19:14 <futhin> Herkamire: i assume chuck picked the whole "stack" thing because it reflects the way the computer inherently works
23:19:33 <Herkamire> futhin: what computers?
23:19:46 <Herkamire> my computer doesn't enharrently do stacks at all
23:19:51 <solar_angel> wait...  
23:19:55 <futhin> dude i'm not saying literally
23:20:04 <solar_angel> no, i used a combined stack
23:20:10 <Herkamire> futhin: what are you saying then?
23:20:13 <solar_angel> the return addresses went on the same stack as the operands
23:20:23 <Herkamire> solar_angel: oh. that's weird
23:20:23 <solar_angel> it had what amounted to a C-standard calling convention
23:20:53 <Herkamire> solar_angel: so you had to specify the number of operands to each word?
23:21:06 <solar_angel> no...
23:21:25 <solar_angel> the pushing and popping, iirc, were handled by the caller, not the callee
23:21:34 <solar_angel> i think
23:21:40 <Herkamire> so then how do you know how far down the stac truthfully, except for input type, that particular project had very little in common with an average 
23:21:41 <solar_angel> actually, i really don't recall at all :P
23:21:44 <Herkamire>                      FORTH
23:21:46 <Herkamire> 02:14 <@solar_angel> it looked like a duck, quacked like a dog, and walked like a rabbit
23:21:49 <Herkamire> 02:15 <@solar_angel> rather, it was written in C, compiled native assembly, and took a forth dialect as input
23:21:50 <solar_angel> exactly.
23:21:51 <enderxzebulun> wow my brain hurts just from flashing thru this channel
23:21:53 <Herkamire> 02:15 <@solar_angel> single stack, oddly enough
23:21:55 <Herkamire> 02:17 <@Herkamire> no data stack?
23:21:58 <Herkamire> 02:18 <@Herkamire> you store data and return addresses on the same stack?
23:21:59 <enderxzebulun> im not at your guys' level
23:22:00 <Herkamire> 02:18 <@Herkamire> or do you mean that you didn't create forth words to access the return stack?
23:22:03 <Herkamire> 02:18 <@futhin> Herkamire: i assume chuck picked the whole "stack" thing because it reflects the way the computer inherently 
23:22:06 <Herkamire>                 works
23:22:09 <Herkamire> 02:19 <@Herkamire> futhin: what computers?
23:22:11 <Herkamire> 02:19 <@Herkamire> my computer doesn't enharrently do stacks at all
23:22:14 <Herkamire> 02:19 <@solar_angel> wait...  
23:22:16 <Herkamire> 02:19 <@futhin> dude i'm not saying literally
23:22:19 <Herkamire> 02:19 <@solar_angel> no, i used a combined stack
23:22:22 <Herkamire> 02:19 <@Herkamire> futhin: what are you saying then?
23:22:24 <Herkamire> 02:19 <@solar_angel> the return addresses went on the same stack as the operands
23:22:27 <Herkamire> 02:20 <@Herkamire> solar_angel: oh. that's weird
23:22:28 <Herkamire> that's the problem with having right and left click mapped to F11 and F12 right above the delete key.
23:22:31 <futhin> enderxzebulun: yay! hurt brain! i eat hurt brain!
23:22:31 <Herkamire> (*&#$@#$ stupid terminal
23:22:41 <Herkamire> hit them both by accident and you paste half your screenful
23:22:41 <solar_angel> lol
23:22:48 <solar_angel> poor herk
23:24:01 <Herkamire> sorry, I'm just not to happy with my computer tonight
23:24:01 <futhin> you even pasted "forth"
23:24:03 <futhin> interesting
23:24:14 <Herkamire> futhin: huh?
23:24:26 <Herkamire> I pasted the top half of this window
23:24:32 <Raystm2> enderxzebulun: neither am I but I gain a lot from these guys :)
23:24:49 <futhin> Herkamire: at the very begining of your past you have a line that has FORTH on it
23:24:57 <Herkamire> for some reason I cannot fathom, right clicking in xterm/rxvt selects some large portion of the screen
23:25:07 <futhin> hm
23:25:32 <solar_angel> heh, it selects from the beginning of your selected area.
23:25:40 <Herkamire> what begining?
23:25:44 <Herkamire> and why?
23:25:47 <Herkamire> what's the point
23:25:54 <Herkamire> if I wanted to select things I'd drag the mouse
23:26:02 <solar_angel> i have no idea, honestly.
23:26:37 <futhin> my right click just pastes
23:26:42 <futhin> my middle button pastes too
23:26:43 <futhin> :D
23:26:49 <futhin> but its two different pastes
23:27:02 <futhin> linux is screwed up
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23:38:13 <futhin> Herkamire: i just happen to think that the stack represents the way the cpu works more naturally
23:38:36 <futhin> for example if you look at it in a certain way, forth is almost like a macro assembler
23:38:47 <futhin> like its just plugging in blocks of code
23:38:49 <futhin> aka macros
23:38:57 <futhin> on a stack..
23:39:00 <ender`zzz> jake is straight up retarded aint he futhin 
23:39:03 <ender`zzz> haha
23:39:07 <futhin> heh
23:39:10 <futhin> wrong chan :P
23:39:13 <ender`zzz> ya
23:39:15 <ender`zzz> im naughty
23:39:21 <futhin> yes you are
23:39:24 <ender`zzz> srry
23:39:24 * futhin spanks ender`zzz 
23:39:26 <futhin> heh
23:39:28 * ender`zzz supplicates
23:39:28 <solar_angel> worry.
23:39:43 <futhin> worry?
23:40:07 <solar_angel> oh nothing.
23:42:08 <Herkamire> futhin: you can make a CPU that works like forth.
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23:42:37 <futhin> not what i'm talking about
23:42:41 <futhin> i'm talking about x86
23:42:42 <futhin> or ppc
23:42:45 <futhin> or any cpu
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23:43:21 <Herkamire> CPUs usually work off registers
23:43:34 <futhin> god
23:43:37 <futhin> don't be so literal minded
23:43:46 <Herkamire> don't be so vague
23:43:51 <ender`zzz> rofl
23:44:22 <ender`zzz> anyone see that AmSci article from this month about quantum computing
23:44:31 <Herkamire> not i
23:44:36 <ender`zzz> i thought it was quiet interesting
23:44:58 <ender`zzz> somethings about blackholes being computers
23:45:01 <ender`zzz> etc etc
23:45:07 <futhin> cool
23:45:19 <futhin> i heard that light doesn't even go thru the blackhole
23:45:21 <futhin> it just stops
23:45:55 <ender`zzz> well light cant escape..
23:46:05 <ender`zzz> but apperantly at the event  horizon
23:46:08 <futhin> herkamire: if you look at a bunch of asm code you should realize there's an inherent stack-like/rpn-like pattern
23:46:19 <ender`zzz> two particles are created, one falls in, and the other shoots out
23:46:28 <futhin> ender`zzz: i mean the speed of light approaches 0 the closer to the blackhole
23:46:39 <futhin> i.e. the light beam is slowed down
23:46:44 <futhin> apparently a new theory
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23:46:48 <ender`zzz> hmm
23:46:51 <futhin> hence its black
23:46:54 <ender`zzz> lol
23:46:57 <ender`zzz> indeed
23:47:15 <solar_angel> that's not really that new
23:47:23 <futhin> Herkamire: if you have any questions, ask kc5tja or someone else.  no need to be devil's advocate with me lol
23:47:25 <solar_angel> time dilates in the presence of a gravity well
23:47:58 <ender`zzz> irc is full of pedantics
23:49:35 <futhin> ender`zzz: heh
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23:55:14 <ender`zzz> lol dont look at me
23:55:22 <solar_angel> pendants?
23:55:28 * solar_angel removes her necklace.
23:55:34 <ender`zzz> i told him i though it was pedantics
23:55:41 <ender`zzz> he said its pendants
23:55:49 <solar_angel> lol
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23:55:59 <solar_angel> pendant is a real word
23:56:05 <ender`zzz> i know
23:56:15 <ender`zzz> i don know if its the same as a pedantic
23:56:22 <ender`zzz> nevermind huh
23:56:30 <cduce> pedants, someone who is pedantical :P
23:56:34 <ender`zzz> wow
23:56:38 <ender`zzz> i guess thats right then
23:56:43 <ender`zzz> oh
23:56:47 <ender`zzz> not pendants
23:56:50 <ender`zzz> pedants
23:57:07 <solar_angel> lol
23:57:19 <solar_angel> pendants are something you hang on a necklace.
23:57:34 <ender`zzz> i know silly
23:57:37 <Raystm2> that's what I do while waiting for the bathroom in the morning   pee dance.
23:57:53 <ender`zzz> lol
23:58:03 <ender`zzz> i really just laughed at that
23:58:07 <ender`zzz> im tired
23:58:09 <Raystm2> hehe
23:58:14 <ender`zzz> afk bed
23:58:28 <Raystm2> ya -- you got to be tired to write something like that too :)
23:58:41 <Raystm2> night ender`zzz. :)
23:59:10 <ender`zzz> night
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23:59:38 <Raystm2> moreon that later :)
23:59:51 <Herkamire> futhin: I'm not playing devil's advocat. I really hardly see any similarity between forth and asm
23:59:59 <Herkamire> 1) they are both programming languages
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