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02:22:23 <Serg_penguin> hi !
02:22:34 <Serg_penguin> where's Robert ? nick change ?
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02:50:45 <crc> does anyone know what the flood limit is for freenode?
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03:18:22 <retrobot2> RetroForth Bot -- Type retrobot2: <forth code here>
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04:57:31 <hyrax-sleep> retrobot2: words
04:57:41 --- nick: hyrax-sleep -> hyrax
04:58:55 <hyrax> retrobot2: words
04:58:57 <retrobot2> hyrax: .version version# $, ." " s0 | zt-free zt-make words >pad clear del tab space cr << 0; fill alias execute ' columns lines 2swap 2over chars char+ cells cell+ align allot pad */ /mod octal binary decimal hex +! 2drop 2dup tuck over -rot rot here constant variable, variable mod / - negate * + c! c@ ! @ not >> xor or and nip dup drop swap base d0 h0 last cmove reset parse type . macro forth : compile ] (create) create 3, 2, 1, , eval >number find mfind syscall
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05:01:00 <hyrax> retrobot2: 0 @ .
05:01:01 <retrobot2> hyrax: 
05:01:10 <hyrax> retrobot2: 5 .
05:01:12 <retrobot2> hyrax: 5 
05:02:26 <hyrax> retrobot2: create x1 37 ,
05:02:28 <retrobot2> hyrax: 
05:02:33 <hyrax> retrobot2: x1 .
05:02:35 <retrobot2> hyrax: x1?  
05:03:03 <hyrax> retrobot2: 37 .
05:03:04 <retrobot2> hyrax: 37 
05:04:12 <crc> retrobot2: create x1 37 ,  | This is a trick to remember state: have this follow your variables/constants:  | : ; |
05:04:13 <retrobot2> crc: 
05:04:17 <crc> retrobot2: words
05:04:18 <retrobot2> crc: x1 .version version# $, ." " s0 | zt-free zt-make words >pad clear del tab space cr << 0; fill alias execute ' columns lines 2swap 2over chars char+ cells cell+ align allot pad */ /mod octal binary decimal hex +! 2drop 2dup tuck over -rot rot here constant variable, variable mod / - negate * + c! c@ ! @ not >> xor or and nip dup drop swap base d0 h0 last cmove reset parse type . macro forth : compile ] (create) create 3, 2, 1, , eval >number find mfind syscal
05:04:22 <crc> retrobot2: x1 @ .
05:04:23 <retrobot2> crc: 37 
05:04:27 <crc> See :-)
05:17:46 <Herkamire> crc: | is a comment?
05:19:48 <crc> Yes
05:20:19 <crc> The | : ; | (there has to be a space after the : and ;) will ensure that the code is always executed
05:20:33 <crc> I wasn't able to get UNDO to work yet :-(
05:22:04 <crc> Text output is now limited to 1k to avoid flooding :-)
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09:24:47 <Robert> Hi on
09:24:50 <Robert> etom
09:27:02 <Raystm2> hi Robert :)
09:27:28 <Raystm2> whatcha doin?
09:32:47 <Robert> Just figured out how to do with the Forth objects :)
09:33:11 <Robert> So I'm going to be coding on the Forth compiler, hopefully
09:34:31 <Raystm2> oh, that's great then. :)
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10:15:30 <Robert> Hi fox+meme
10:16:25 <qFox> hi
10:16:32 <qFox> why are you saying hi to a chanlogger? :p
10:18:52 <Robert> Oh, that's what he/she/it is?
10:19:04 <Robert> In that case: because I'm dumb. :P
10:19:06 <qFox> whois it
10:21:03 <Raystm2> hi! qFox :)
10:22:48 <qFox> hey ray :)
10:25:24 <Robert> Heh, it watches over all odd language channels.
10:27:30 <qFox> yep
10:27:45 <mur_> od languages like elecronics!
10:27:45 <qFox> surprised you didnt know
10:27:55 <mur_> me neither
10:28:06 <Robert> qFox: Bah, clog is the one and only.
10:28:16 <qFox> two and only.. :p
10:28:25 <Robert> LIES, LIES
10:28:38 <qFox> sorry to shatter your glass world
10:28:39 <qFox> :p
10:28:44 <Robert> :~(
10:29:19 <qFox> i've got a good feeling about an exam i did today
10:29:29 <qFox> or test, its not exactly an exam i think. w/e
10:30:07 <Robert> Yay for that
10:30:11 <qFox> yep :D
10:30:14 <Robert> Or not
10:30:24 <Robert> When I have a good feeling it turns out I sucked
10:30:37 <Robert> If I know I'll fail, I get the highest grade
10:31:07 <qFox> yeah i'm carefully positive ;p
10:31:21 <qFox> i had a very good feeling last time, and got a 6.7 (not the feeling i had)
10:31:42 <Robert> 6.7 of...?
10:31:54 <qFox> 1-10
10:32:07 <qFox> (default scale in holland)
10:32:08 <Robert> Ah, OK.
10:32:17 <Robert> We only have 3-5 or failed.
10:32:33 <Robert> (at my school)
10:32:37 <qFox> ah
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10:32:48 <qFox> <5.5 equals fail, basically
10:32:50 <Robert> They also set international grades, using the US system or some variant of it
10:33:05 <Robert> So 1.0 does not mean you're #1??!"
10:33:11 <qFox> hehe, no,.
10:33:26 <qFox> it usually means you didnt bother to show up :p
10:34:05 <Robert> xD
10:34:12 <Robert> Reminds me
10:34:25 <qFox> :D
10:34:30 <Robert> I got a comment on my last programming class homework
10:34:56 <fridge> what did it say?
10:35:12 <Robert> "One more unserious piece of homework and I'm flunking you. You have been warned."
10:35:19 <fridge> whooooo.
10:35:38 <fridge> what was unserious about it?
10:35:45 <Robert> Not exactly MY fault they're asking stupid questions
10:35:52 <Robert> They DESERVE stupid answers
10:35:58 <Robert> Oh, well... 
10:36:05 <fridge> I've been tempted in the past
10:36:13 <fridge> to answer dumb questions with dumb answer
10:36:16 <fridge> but I've refrained
10:36:29 <Robert> Sometimes I can't do that. ;)
10:36:39 <fridge> because well, the goal isn't to point out how stupid the questions are, the goal is to pass
10:37:26 <Robert> Well, our goals may differ a little. :P  I'd like to pass but not at any cost.
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10:39:05 <Robert> wb Raystm2 
10:39:44 <Raystm2> thanky you Robert: stupid windows auto update :)
10:39:55 <Robert> Heh
10:40:49 <Raystm2> If you don't use HELP in a while it thinks it needs to update itself and when it does you have to restart. doh! stupid windows.
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10:41:10 <Robert> Heh
10:41:13 <Robert> Yeah...
10:41:48 <Robert> I like it in Debian, you can update most things without rebooting.
10:42:33 * Raystm2 is trying to make a dedicated colorforth workstation and I want to learn how to network it to XP or Linux on *this* machine
10:42:44 <Raystm2> yeah -- Nice Linux
10:43:03 <Raystm2> stupid windoze
10:43:08 <Robert> Running colorforth stand-alone or on top of Linux/Windows?
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10:52:17 <Raystm2> as a stand alone machine -- but I'll have a HD with win\lin on it too probly.
10:52:31 <Robert> Ah..so you'll use tcp/ip from within colorforth?
10:58:21 <Raystm2> yeah I'm gonna try anyhow. first I have to make a disk that will start the box -- and I also have to create a null modem cable.
10:58:56 <Raystm2> tcp\ip connections are working in colorforth for years. 
10:59:13 <Raystm2> rj_cf uses a dedicated cf machine in his business.
10:59:34 <Robert> Cool! Didn't know that
10:59:34 <Robert> What kind of network card?
11:00:31 <Raystm2> he's gonna hold my hand thru this -- a couple cards - predominantly used and coded for is the realtec line. rtl8139 --- is that correct -- i think so .
11:00:43 <Raystm2> yeah that's it
11:00:48 <Robert> Ah, great
11:01:09 <Robert> Maybe I should try that...
11:01:32 <Raystm2> my machine comes with an rtl8100 on the mobo and that works too as the spex are the same for the contollor as in the card.
11:02:14 <Robert> Hmm.. I'm not too sure I got any of those in the computers I've got up right now.
11:02:26 <Raystm2> but I may have to purchase an rtl8139 for the *other*, rj_cf say's there like 5bucks US.
11:02:32 <Robert> Using EEpro100s on these ones, and 3c509 on the 386
11:02:41 <Raystm2> oh okay. 
11:02:44 <Robert> Yeah...they're cheap
11:03:08 <Raystm2> mark slicker has done other drivers so... might check with him to see what he has done. :)
11:03:26 <Raystm2> you might have what you need already.
11:05:31 <Raystm2> Robert: not sure that colorforth will work on a 386 as it's coded for pentium -- but ChipChuck may still personnally have a version that does. he's been running ColorForth for over 15 years.
11:06:05 <Raystm2> it's just that when he decided to release the P1 was popular.
11:06:35 <Raystm2> as far as I know, i'm one of the first to get it running on a P4.
11:06:45 <Robert> Ah.. well, not top priority anyway. Could run the Linux version if I want
11:06:46 <Robert> Hmmm
11:06:46 <Robert> Don't think I've seen any non-386 code in it
11:06:46 <Robert> But perhaps the gfx card is too old or something
11:06:46 <Robert> I couldn't even get it to work in my P200
11:06:48 <Robert> (due to graphics trouble)
11:07:34 <Raystm2> (also one of the first novice programmers to get it running on a Compaq at that.)
11:07:56 <Raystm2> some reason Compaq's and Dell's dont like Vesa.
11:08:55 <Raystm2> Robert: there are VGA and VESA versions so if you can do one of those -- you should be ok.
11:09:36 <Raystm2> Terry Loveall has done both at his Modest Proposals site.
11:10:58 <Raystm2> Robert: when I had vid probs with Terry's Masm code -- I just reversed the changes he made to ChipChucks and it worked.
11:11:19 <Raystm2> Terry just commented them out so it was easy for me :)
11:11:37 * Raystm2 is just a progy hobbiest .
11:13:07 <Robert> Oh, cool. 
11:14:04 <Raystm2> the bars to getting it going are slowly dropping. the more people that join the effort and all.
11:14:52 <Robert> I get a 404 on Loveall's site
11:15:29 <Raystm2> oh yeah he quit qwest -- getting for you, pAleese hold.
11:15:54 <Robert> Thanks
11:16:03 * Robert checked the mandelbrot set code in the meanwhile
11:16:14 <Robert> Wow - you could use that stuff to scare little children :)
11:16:57 <Raystm2> yeah hehe
11:17:19 <Raystm2> oh yeah I put it on KrisJohnsons wiki here it is
11:17:32 <Raystm2> http://www.modest-proposals.com/c4index.htm
11:18:29 <Raystm2> look down at "zipped masm builds"
11:20:57 <Robert> AH, thanks
11:21:23 <Raystm2> my great pressure to help you :) hehe
11:23:12 <Raystm2> I needed to go there anyway -- I want fresh code for the other machine.
11:23:45 <Raystm2> http://kristopherjohnson.net/cgi-bin/twiki/view/Main/ColorForth 
11:23:56 <Raystm2> also a cool site -- if you havn't been :)
11:24:05 <Robert> Nope, I'll check
11:24:32 <Robert> Oh, yes... I was there 30 seconds ago
11:24:41 * Robert has a really good memory, heh
11:25:04 <Raystm2> hehe
11:25:21 <Raystm2> that's why you have a computer = right?
11:26:04 <Robert> Yep!
11:26:09 <Robert> Or ten
11:26:09 <Raystm2> now if we could just take them with us "comfortably" and with extremely intuitive interfaces -- that would be something.
11:26:12 <Raystm2> hehe
11:26:33 <Raystm2> colorForth and JefRaskin to the rescue.
11:26:56 <Raystm2> small - simple - smart. 
11:27:06 <Raystm2> am I asking for too much?
11:27:27 <Raystm2> afk
11:27:33 <Robert> You mean computers?
11:27:34 <Robert> OK, bye
11:28:22 <Robert> I also want something like that... but I can't seem to find anything simple and good enough
11:29:21 <Raystm2> back -- yeah.
11:29:43 <Robert> Too bad the really cool stuff isn't for amateurs
11:31:01 <Robert> I'm thinking of miniaturized things and the like. At reasonable prices
11:31:14 <Raystm2> someday.
11:31:25 <Robert> Hehe, right
11:31:26 <Raystm2> this stuff has to find a market someday.
11:31:40 <Robert> First we have to convert people to geeks
11:31:51 <Robert> So that they appreciate portable forth computers
11:31:56 <Robert> Then we have to make them poor
11:32:00 <Robert> So that they don't buy laptops
11:32:14 <Robert> (normal ones that is)
11:32:23 <Raystm2> thats already happening hehe -- then convert them to borg. 
11:33:42 <Raystm2> There was an article about similar ideas at Intel Site.
11:34:31 <Raystm2> The speaker at a conference road in on a Segway -- was looking at the notes to his speach on a visor monitor...
11:34:51 <Raystm2> e-mailing his kid on a palm
11:35:15 <Raystm2> and listening to music on a pen sized mpeg player
11:35:21 <Robert> Hehe
11:35:27 <Robert> I'd like something with a real keyboard
11:35:34 <Raystm2> showing the crowd all this from a camera on his hat
11:35:38 <Robert> And that is easily programmable.
11:35:48 <Robert> Yeah, they COULD do it
11:35:57 <Raystm2> and beeming it up to a screen in the auditorium
11:36:04 <Raystm2> yea.
11:36:12 <Raystm2> they will 
11:36:22 <Raystm2> enough of us want it .
11:36:59 <Raystm2> two more "moores law" passes and it'll be here .
11:37:10 <Raystm2> end of decade for sure.
11:38:01 <Raystm2> oh that was the article. at intel sight if ya look up Moores Law you'll find it .
11:38:18 <Raystm2> supposing you even wanted too. :)
11:38:33 <Robert> Maybe... I don't know where the demand for it would be (except among minimalist computer geeks)
11:39:27 <Raystm2> I see a very important use is manufacturing and sales /me was VP of OPS for a miliary industrial complex supplier.
11:39:56 <Raystm2> if I had that - then -- ooohh id be unstopable.
11:40:29 <Raystm2> instead I invented a sorta franklin planner that fits in a front pocket wallet .
11:40:40 <Raystm2> only better.
11:40:44 <Robert> Yeah, well.. I think it could be useful
11:40:53 <Robert> But as long as they're pretending full-featured PC laptops is the only solution...
11:41:14 <Raystm2> i see your point and raise you up one line . :)
11:42:57 <Robert> I'm mostly thinking about price and power consumption. PC laptops aren't that useful with a battery time of like 3-4 hours
11:43:12 <Raystm2> it's all the comm systems that holding everything up. Intel believes there new "radio transmission" stuff will fill the gap.
11:43:14 <Robert> And you don't carry a heavy¸ $1k laptop around a lot
11:44:23 <Raystm2> by the time they get the radio stuff workin - the entire pc will fit in a comfy vest and the display will be in glasses. It's comming -- there  working on it  :)
11:44:46 <Raystm2> and all the parts will communicate by radio.
11:45:30 <Robert> Heh, that would be pretty neat
11:46:09 <Raystm2> go look at the lntel site for "Moores Law" and you'll see a prototype -- to get your dreams going :)
11:48:29 <Robert> 410,000,000 transistors in their newest processors! Insane!
11:48:53 <Raystm2> hehe
11:48:55 <Raystm2> ya
11:51:16 <Raystm2> i'm trying to find the artical i saw yesterday. if  I could only remember why i went in the first place then I would remember how i stumbled on it :)
11:52:11 <Robert> Hehe, don't worry
11:52:19 <Raystm2> ok :)
11:52:27 <Robert> I've got enough to read for a couple of months
11:52:57 <Raystm2> lol yeah -- tell me - and I just came back from the library with more too :)
11:53:15 <Robert> Ah, that was excluding the neverending stream of books from the library
11:53:20 <Robert> Only counting web pages. ;)
11:53:23 <Raystm2> hehe
11:53:55 <Raystm2> shame we cant *live* our lives then knowing we can research after we're "gone" :)
11:54:58 <Raystm2> brb afk 
11:57:56 <Raystm2> ok
12:02:16 <Robert> Yep, a shame
12:02:31 * Robert returns with some tea
12:02:44 <Robert> My contribution to "living" today
12:03:25 <Raystm2> yes ( /me smiles )
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12:09:13 <Robert> murrrr
12:10:22 <Raystm2> brb -- gotta go save $75 us :)
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13:44:28 <Robert> Hi
13:44:48 <Raystm2> hey Robert: just made 75 bucks :)
13:45:06 <Robert> Cool! How?
13:45:43 <Raystm2> oh  -- yesterday I orderd DSL and today I found out that I belong to a club that rebates that amount for that order ;)
13:46:40 <Robert> Oh, neat
13:46:49 <Raystm2> It actually paid for me to upgrade my order to my other computers -- so save lose all the same :)
13:47:52 <Raystm2> It amounts to getting all the equipment and DSL's first month for half of what I'm paying AOL now - so that's a win.
13:48:08 <Robert> :)
13:48:41 <Robert> Really nice with a good connection
13:48:59 * Raystm2 's sorry for not haveing "real" friends to tell this trivial crap to :)
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16:46:42 <hyrax> retrobot2: words
16:46:44 <retrobot2> hyrax: x1 .version version# $, ." " s0 | zt-free zt-make words >pad clear del tab space cr << 0; fill alias execute ' columns lines 2swap 2over chars char+ cells cell+ align allot pad */ /mod octal binary decimal hex +! 2drop 2dup tuck over -rot rot here constant variable, variable mod / - negate * + c! c@ ! @ not >> xor or and nip dup drop swap base d0 h0 last cmove reset parse type . macro forth : compile ] (create) create 3, 2, 1, , eval >number find mfind sysc
16:46:52 <hyrax> retrobot2: x1 
16:46:54 <retrobot2> hyrax: 
16:47:03 <hyrax> retrobot2: x1 @
16:47:04 <retrobot2> hyrax: 
16:47:10 <hyrax> retrobot2: x1 .
16:47:11 <retrobot2> hyrax: 134659527 
16:47:14 <hyrax> retrobot2: .
16:47:16 <retrobot2> hyrax: 0 
16:47:18 <hyrax> retrobot2: .
16:47:19 <retrobot2> hyrax: 0 
16:47:23 <hyrax> retrobot2: x1 @ .
16:47:24 <retrobot2> hyrax: 37 
16:47:53 <hyrax> retrobot2: create x2 54 ,
16:47:54 <retrobot2> hyrax: 
16:47:57 <hyrax> retrobot2: x2 @ .
16:47:59 <retrobot2> hyrax: x2?  
16:48:10 <hyrax> words
16:48:17 <hyrax> retrobot2: words
16:48:19 <retrobot2> hyrax: x1 .version version# $, ." " s0 | zt-free zt-make words >pad clear del tab space cr << 0; fill alias execute ' columns lines 2swap 2over chars char+ cells cell+ align allot pad */ /mod octal binary decimal hex +! 2drop 2dup tuck over -rot rot here constant variable, variable mod / - negate * + c! c@ ! @ not >> xor or and nip dup drop swap base d0 h0 last cmove reset parse type . macro forth : compile ] (create) create 3, 2, 1, , eval >number find mfind sysc
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19:04:47 <pooky> retrobot2: 2 2 + .
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19:04:58 <pooky> retrobot2: words
19:05:00 <retrobot2> pooky: x1 .version version# $, ." " s0 | zt-free zt-make words >pad clear del tab space cr << 0; fill alias execute ' columns lines 2swap 2over chars char+ cells cell+ align allot pad */ /mod octal binary decimal hex +! 2drop 2dup tuck over -rot rot here constant variable, variable mod / - negate * + c! c@ ! @ not >> xor or and nip dup drop swap base d0 h0 last cmove reset parse type . macro forth : compile ] (create) create 3, 2, 1, , eval >number find mfind sysc
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19:07:34 * pooky contemplates on how to build a loop using those words
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