00:00:00 --- log: started forth/04.11.03 00:00:21 agreed :) 00:02:15 on the other side, kerry did get 20% of his votes from CA, which doesn quite cover 20% (or even 10%) of the usa... 00:02:22 i think 00:02:53 nah, not even 10% 00:03:10 http://frontpage.fok.nl/ 00:03:14 remember that the population of an area determines the number of electoral votes. not area size :) 00:03:24 no i know, but still 00:03:38 Cal most people Texas second 00:03:56 ohwell, doesnt matter 00:04:00 yup 00:04:40 something seriously wicked will have to happen for me to ever be able to change any of that :p 00:04:51 like? 00:04:57 i dont know 00:04:58 :) 00:05:12 thank your private diety then :) 00:05:13 but seeing how i'm dutch, i guess i'd first have to emigrate :p 00:06:24 We had many Europeans in the most important states makeing the point that the world is affect by this vote yet the world does not get to join in . 00:06:56 Unless your Osama and then you carry some weigt around here. 00:07:06 weight 00:07:08 ar. well. in all fairness. its not really my fight. politics can drop dead, all of them. 00:07:28 was that a curse then ? :) 00:07:41 no not really 00:08:08 hehe 00:10:27 it would be, just for mathematical reasons alone, be very funny if kerry won anyways 00:10:33 probabilitywise i mean 00:10:44 at this point 00:10:50 with most of the votes counted, and bush leading 00:13:21 now the news is talking about provisional ballots for Ohio. and that even tho Ohio seems to go to Bush == there still is a sliver of a chance for kerry -- might go to sleep now after all :) 00:14:02 according to dutch news sites, bush was leading with 50.something to 48.something percent with 90% votes counted or something 00:14:18 seeing how we're talking about millions here, the odds are against kerry 00:14:48 hence, its quite unlikely that the next 10% votes will be purely kerry's (and if this is actually the case, noone would believe it) 00:14:53 hence, it would be shit funny :D 00:15:25 i see gay mariage is banned as well in all the states that could vote for it today 00:15:27 jeez :\ 00:15:50 the popular vote does not elect the president so there still is a chance even if he loses the pop vote. 00:16:07 what do you mean? 00:17:46 altho we all vote for the president -- that vote is taken by the Electoral Collage as a recomendation only. The electoral voters don't have to follow the popular vote. Gore won the popular vote in the USA and Bush still won. still could go either way. 00:18:33 you mean that even if a president won by election, its not binding? 00:18:44 i thought they only had a right to choose if it turned out a draw 00:21:34 now your confusing the oppertunity of the House of Representives to break ties. I'm talking about the Electoral Collage. 00:21:49 The Electoral Collage is .......... 00:22:21 http://people.howstuffworks.com/electoral-college.htm 00:24:09 oh you mean those hmm.. we call them chooseman, literal translation 00:24:10 Bush WON dang@ 00:24:20 yes 00:24:22 i heard the official english term but forgot 00:24:27 that's prob'ly right 00:24:43 yeah, thats what my second line meant 00:24:47 [09:03:19] although, with such a close call on so many voters, one should move on to the actual number of votes each side got :\ 00:25:15 yes I see :) 00:25:30 or at least devide the number of these (what are they called???) to the % of votes each side got in each state 00:25:38 but now Bush is winner I think and its over. 00:25:45 looks that way yeah 00:26:07 i guess the only light there is that its going to be his final 4 years :\ 00:26:09 oh no still unofficial -- oops 00:26:15 hehehehehe 00:26:41 and maybe he fucks up ... and i mean REALLY fuck up... like knock up one of his assistents... and gets bumped off, who knows... :p 00:26:50 unless the bullet reaches his target then we get Haliburton directly incharge :) 00:27:01 haliburton? 00:27:05 thats a new name 00:29:55 hahah 00:30:02 #kerry and #bush on efnet 00:30:13 bush's topic says congrats 00:30:21 kerry's topic says way to blow it fucking douchebag :p 00:30:52 hahahahah Haliburton is the company that was run by Vpres Dick Chaney .. . The are the largest supplier to Military in the world .. also have large interest in Arab Oil -- stealing it. 00:31:10 ah ok 00:31:11 :) 00:31:34 --- join: mur_ (~mur@mgw2.uiah.fi) joined #forth 00:34:21 --- join: Serg[ICQ] (~Miranda@212.34.52.140) joined #forth 00:34:44 --- part: Serg[ICQ] left #forth 00:40:40 --- quit: mur (Read error: 238 (Connection timed out)) 00:48:25 heh 00:48:25 http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/OH/P/00/epolls.0.html 00:48:31 look at the vote by income 00:49:23 thanx going ......... 00:49:48 * Raystm2 is very poor btw -- as it loads up 00:50:17 41 ex-industial operations vp 00:50:43 well. by looking at those poll results 00:51:17 it seems that bush gets the highincome-christian/katholic-conservatives 00:51:22 and kerry gets the rest :p 00:51:42 hehe yup males too 00:52:04 no oops reading wrong sorry. 00:52:04 well those with 2 choices i leave alone. 00:52:09 hehe 00:52:16 male/female, married/not etc 00:52:23 but if you look at the religious ones 00:52:25 the income ones 00:52:38 you see a clear difference between high/low bush/kerry 00:53:25 i do find it strange, or at least, it stands out, that the 78% who decided way before these elections who to vote for (what have those other 22% been fucking thinking?), voted 55% for bush 00:53:56 hehe 00:54:13 YOUR VOTE FOR PRESIDENT WAS MOSTLY... 00:54:15 heh 00:55:09 omg... of the 32% who strongly disapprove of how bush is handling things, 1% still voted bush :s 00:55:11 hehehehe 00:55:45 yup we wont vote out a leader during a declared -- declared mind you -- war :( 00:56:10 show's that we support the leader to the grave :( 00:56:21 sheep! 00:56:26 * Raystm2 baaaa 00:56:48 * Raystm2 thinks the roman empire lasted many times longer 00:57:35 whats rural? 00:57:48 not city :) 00:57:52 opposite 00:57:59 out lying areas 00:58:03 farms 00:58:15 sparcly populated 00:59:10 yeah ok 00:59:30 --- quit: Klaw` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00:59:45 oh wait, these were just the exit polls for ohio :p 00:59:48 i'm sorry 00:59:57 yup I just reallized that too :) 01:00:17 http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/US/P/00/epolls.0.html 01:00:20 should be national :p 01:00:32 heh. nader wasnt even choosen in ohio ;) 01:00:51 maybe if he hadnt run... 01:00:59 exit poll is people stand out side of polling places and ask those questions -- these are not official counts of real votes -- just servey 01:01:18 yeah i know 01:01:25 but statistically seen.. 01:01:28 Nader might not have been on the ballot -- he was only on a very few states. 01:01:46 i never heard his name before 2 days ago :p 01:01:57 just the "important" 15 01:01:58 he wasnt mentioned in dutch news as far as i've seen/read/heard it 01:02:19 yea -- Nader is the reason that cars have seat belts 01:02:33 he is consumer advocate. 01:02:43 oh. nevada goes to bush. he only needs ohio now 01:03:14 and according to this newssite (dutch), kerry was leading in nevada 2.5 hours ago 01:03:14 so.. 01:03:39 he's been the only important 3rd candidate since the time of Lincoln with the exception of Ross Perot. 01:04:05 "important", only important because he's taking away potential voters for the other two.. 01:04:12 imo 01:04:12 :) 01:04:13 Lincoln's election started the Republican party and ended the Whigs. 01:04:35 yes you are correct. but he's not much of an issue this time. 01:04:45 dunno 01:04:48 great way to make a living tho. 01:04:57 make a living? 01:05:06 with all the money that went into these campains? 01:05:06 :\ 01:05:21 * warpzero is listening to: Neil Young - Ohio 01:05:32 sure == he travels country and makes friends everywhere -- probly keeps most of money :) 01:05:39 warpzero> and reading in this channel :p 01:05:44 hehe 01:06:22 "something something and Nixon's comming 4 dead in OHIO" 01:06:33 eh? 01:06:48 old 60s protest song by neil young. 01:06:55 oh 01:07:05 trying to remember words :) 01:07:26 well. even nationwide, the income etc thing goes 01:07:45 yes 01:08:18 why have 10% of the democrats voted for bush, and 7% of the republicans for kerry 01:08:25 arent they supposed to vote for their own? :\ 01:09:14 haha. wtf is a WHITE EVANGELICAL/BORN-AGAIN? 01:09:25 and why are they asking? 0% says yes and 0% says no :p 01:09:26 Babtist 01:09:36 totals not in 01:10:32 heh. gun owner in household 01:10:36 Southern Babtist is White Evan\Born-Again -- must be baptised. 01:11:23 I have several guns but all have been gifts that I immediately dissessembled and stored away -- I have teenage kids too :) 01:12:05 * Raystm2 never bought a gun but I got some -- Apparently it's unAmerican to not have atleast a shot gun. 01:12:14 haha 01:12:53 It's in the constitution or something :) hehe 01:13:20 ohwell. its good to see you ppl trust your own president, find him honest too 01:13:22 :p 01:13:32 just in case qFox thinks he's gonna take my 1 acher of texas :) 01:13:56 He's too stupid to lie 01:14:25 haha 01:14:45 hm 01:14:49 VOTE IF ONLY BUSH AND KERRY WERE RUNNING 01:14:57 for the 1% who would not have voted 01:15:09 27% voted for bush, and 39% for kerry 01:15:10 wtf... 01:15:18 Haliburton's got there hand so far up his ass that sometime's you can see there fingers when his lips move. 01:15:30 at least 15% did actually vote for the other (highest % in teh list ;) 01:16:52 hm, those abortion polls stand out 01:17:03 55% thinks they should be legal? 01:17:23 i thought the whole of usa was against it, period? 01:17:50 naw -- we can't agree on anything :) 01:17:58 shows 01:19:06 looks like the coasts risk civil war ( oxymoron) with the interior. If you boarder the water -- watch out :) 01:20:32 heh 01:20:32 The poll closing countdown clock runs off the time on your computer. Your computer may not exactly match the official poll closing clock. 01:20:33 :p 01:20:41 hehe 01:20:43 we do :( 01:20:45 heck 01:20:48 we ARE water :p 01:20:54 hahaha 01:21:00 float much? 01:21:19 half of holland is a few meters below sea level 01:21:39 if you want to get rid of us just blow away our dikes :p 01:21:55 notice that its the Norther civil war states against the Souther Civil war states .. with added states added. 01:22:18 your lezbians -- blow away your lezbians ? 01:22:23 hehe 01:23:44 dikes yea the only thing we ever learn about your country is the Hans Anderson stuff :( and that the Amsterdam has the best pot. 01:23:47 no, those sand thingies damn you :p 01:23:52 heheheheh 01:23:55 hans anderson? 01:24:10 wasnt he german? 01:24:12 :p 01:24:18 Hans Christian Anderson with his character and the finger in the dike. 01:24:25 oh that one 01:25:10 And Flowers -- Pretty Pretty Flowers that we will see this thanksgiving and christmas in the Macy's Parades. 01:25:14 any hole capable of penatrating a dike, is too big for a kiddo to be able to plunge into it with one finger 01:25:18 --- quit: mur_ (tolkien.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01:25:18 --- quit: madgarden (tolkien.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01:25:18 --- quit: jim (tolkien.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01:25:18 --- quit: cmeme (tolkien.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01:25:18 --- quit: ianp (tolkien.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01:25:29 (yes i know, that sentence is so wrong in the wrong context :P) 01:25:33 hehehehe 01:25:48 :) :) 01:25:51 hehe 01:25:53 lol 01:25:56 but anyways 01:26:04 still laughing wait 01:26:21 ok -=- breathing again whoooo 01:26:42 --- join: ianp (~ian@inpuj.net) joined #forth 01:26:42 --- join: mur_ (~mur@mgw2.uiah.fi) joined #forth 01:26:42 --- join: madgarden (~madgarden@Ottawa-HSE-ppp4084027.sympatico.ca) joined #forth 01:26:42 --- join: jim (~jim@cpe-24-143-141-183.cable.alamedanet.net) joined #forth 01:26:42 --- join: cmeme (~cmeme@216.184.11.30.unused.swcp.com) joined #forth 01:26:42 --- mode: irc.freenode.net set +o ianp 01:26:43 --- mode: ChanServ set -o ianp 01:28:47 People over here think that everyone over there work in the sex shops ( which are inside the windmills btw ) and all the time wearing wooden shoes. that's all they teach us about you in school -- it's a crying shame. You wonder why we are so isolationist. it's the education that we don't get from out gov. :( 01:29:16 --- quit: jim (tolkien.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01:29:16 --- quit: madgarden (tolkien.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01:29:16 --- quit: ianp (tolkien.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01:29:16 --- quit: cmeme (tolkien.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01:29:16 --- quit: mur_ (tolkien.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01:29:30 * Raystm2 likes that IRC is changeing that one person at a time :) 01:29:35 eh lol :p 01:29:46 there are fewer windmills here then bushlovers ;) 01:30:11 so that means there are either VERY few sexshops, or something's messed up 01:30:14 :D 01:30:15 oh and smokes hash in the bars -- bush lovers dikes there is a theme :) 01:30:28 right 01:30:39 --- join: mur_ (~mur@mgw2.uiah.fi) joined #forth 01:30:39 --- join: madgarden (~madgarden@Ottawa-HSE-ppp4084027.sympatico.ca) joined #forth 01:30:39 --- join: jim (~jim@cpe-24-143-141-183.cable.alamedanet.net) joined #forth 01:30:39 --- join: cmeme (~cmeme@216.184.11.30.unused.swcp.com) joined #forth 01:30:39 --- join: ianp (~ian@inpuj.net) joined #forth 01:30:55 yes.. the dope is elementary for holland ;) 01:31:15 --- quit: mur_ (Remote closed the connection) 01:31:17 but i thought hans ch. anderson was danish? 01:31:49 the only thing we know of denmark is that danish is a donut :( 01:31:58 --- join: mur (~mur@uiah.fi) joined #forth 01:32:26 and that hitler seemed to need it so bad -- that's all they teach us here. 01:32:47 US gov education sucks hard. 01:33:14 they don't teach WHY the crusades happend. 01:33:33 just that they did and we should be on the side of Europe. 01:33:50 Internet will change all that. 01:34:23 as if. 01:34:33 we don't _need_ expensive schools and teachers anymore -- taking my taxes -- give all kids a computer. 01:35:05 let'em learn what they're interested in. and BE PARENTS 01:35:11 no. i actually do believe teachers have a positive influence on childeren 01:35:18 not night time babysitters 01:35:36 well they can teach online and no distraction. 01:35:50 kid rewinds till he gets it and takes test 01:36:06 stupid to pay for schools. 01:36:24 should instead pay for something for them to do when not learning. together. 01:37:03 real social events -- not distracting gov schools 01:37:03 i dont think online learning is as effective as classroom learning 01:37:38 and that was going to be a point, next to learning school stuff, you also learn to get along with others 01:37:41 the day is totally wasted at school. moving from class to class and interuptions from those with learning disabilites 01:37:44 somewhat 01:37:52 yea 01:38:28 most people would get along better if they were not allowed to act up in crowd situations. 01:38:34 be too afraid too. 01:38:51 but in school that's what kids learn. 01:39:00 ohwell, its not my fight. 01:39:05 familiarity with working the crowd 01:39:13 the world can go to hell 01:39:18 oh wait.. 01:39:21 (haha). 01:40:08 I have one kid in and One kid home school . I can do 8 subjects in three hours with son. same subjects at school takes 8.5 hours for daughter. 01:40:53 i dont think hometeaching is allowed here 01:40:58 some travel time sure. lunch too . recess ok 7 hours. 01:41:08 but i cant say i disagree on it. 01:41:16 yeah . 01:41:23 they weren't teaching him 01:41:41 they kept promoting with out real reading skills. 01:42:18 by 8th grade he was so lost and behind that he was frustrated and was going out back door every day. 01:42:27 i dont really know about the american system, but such a thing wouldnt happen here 01:42:40 a kid that cant read wont pass third grade, or whatever 01:42:40 there solution was to LOCK HIM In. ROOM -- I was mad at that. 01:42:45 --- quit: warpzero (Remote closed the connection) 01:43:06 that's great == real education there :) 01:43:21 and you have "open Univercity too " ? 01:43:25 well, it does get a bit sloppy up ahead ;) 01:43:41 yes, but our school system is way different 01:43:51 it really cant be compared 01:43:51 yes? 01:43:59 yah 01:44:24 not by age but by abillity then ? 01:44:44 we start elimentary, 8 grades. after that you get sent to "highschool" of your level. which is usually about your level (not always, like in my case, but hey). 01:44:56 hehe 01:44:57 thats 4-6 years, depending on the level you went to 01:45:08 I see :) 01:45:19 after that you basically stay on that level in "college", or go up a level if you wish 01:45:26 cool 01:45:30 university is only for those at the highest level 01:45:39 or like me, at 21 years + and a backdoor exam 01:45:56 is there room for 4 more then? :) 01:46:02 what do you mean? 01:46:15 we need to move -- :) 01:46:19 hehe 01:46:33 well like i said, the system is totally different 01:47:01 but, having been in both the lower and high parts of education, i must say the lower part sux 01:47:07 its so much better at university 01:47:15 also so much harder :p 01:47:32 : ) we won a trial that bankrupted me and now I must start somewhere else coz other party lives in next neighborhood. 01:47:39 :\ 01:47:42 ya 01:47:48 what kind of trial? 01:47:53 i mean what was it about 01:48:08 Sexual Offence against my Daughter. 01:48:12 ouch 01:48:13 sad 01:48:15 ya 01:48:26 what age? 01:48:44 I was so depressed that I quit working to keep eye on her (13 now 11 then ) 01:49:25 he's a family member and his grandmother is rich and almost out spent us. 01:49:34 you dont hear much about such cases here (obviously holland is much much smaller so i guess the "odds" on that are much slimmer compared the the usa) 01:49:55 but its not unheard of. 01:49:59 but we won ( and lost at same time ) . ya I'm sure your correct. 01:50:25 is global problem 01:50:29 men are pigs 01:50:43 didnt you get some kind of ... well, cash? 01:50:54 well , men that are drugged up and drunk. 01:50:56 from the school, or the guy, or whatever? 01:51:49 no it's not like that and he's 18 and has no cash any way so -- why ? But Texas may help us move. going to see mayor after elections over :) 01:52:14 should've done that before 01:52:14 imo 01:52:22 before? 01:52:33 oh before trial ended ? 01:52:39 ya maybe 01:52:45 they're more prone to help you during election, to keep up a good face, then after 01:53:00 "see, we're helping victems!" 01:53:03 etc 01:53:45 ya -- point to you. but mayor was not on ballot this time and his election is comming up so I can still use your point :) 01:54:01 but the major is still part of some party 01:54:13 and for you silly americans, it all matters 01:54:14 :p 01:55:04 especially since town judge let the offender out of jail coz friend of his grandmother and believed her- but I have addmisson of guilt in court 01:56:02 loaded for bear now. just need me to be diagnosed depressed and incapable of working this close to offender will help too. 01:59:00 i never thought I could be capable of taking another life. That man brings out worst in me. 01:59:11 lets talk about someting else :) 01:59:24 how's your forth work comming ? 01:59:31 its coming. slowly. 01:59:35 working on my statusbar 01:59:49 which seems to be printing an odd string when i execute it 01:59:56 I watch you talk with others here :) I'm still learning . 02:00:00 oh okay . 02:00:28 d\led Thinking Forth the other day :) 02:00:44 whats that? 02:01:10 book by the guy that wrote Starting Forth -- Leo Brodie 02:01:18 oh 02:01:20 ok :) 02:01:21 very famous -- finaly PDF 02:01:28 yea you know it 02:01:31 havent read any books on forth 02:01:42 what i know i learned from online tuto's, here, or myself 02:01:46 oh really? want the url? 02:01:50 sure 02:01:52 yaa 02:02:08 it's at sourceforge lets see.......... 02:03:32 and I know that Starting Forth is online too --- still searching -- 02:04:35 http://thinking-forth.sourceforge.net/thinking-forth.pdf 02:04:48 hahaha. i've screwed something up so good, and havent got a clue what :p 02:04:59 hehe haha 02:06:37 tnx 02:07:26 np 02:07:34 the ink is still wet on it 02:07:48 it's only about a couple days old 02:08:24 I just happen to be in c4th-ot when one of the workers on it offered it up. 02:10:13 --- join: warpzero (~warpzero@dsl.103.mt.onewest.net) joined #forth 02:18:19 oh. i see. i revectored type to emit 02:18:48 hehe == solved then? 02:20:54 yep 02:21:12 good job! :) 02:22:32 * Raystm2 is reading B. Paysan's site " Appendix: What's a `bad programmer' " ? 02:36:59 poor iowa and new mexico 02:37:03 their votes mean NOTHING now 02:37:56 we should've started a big internet campain to vote for clinton 02:38:00 all our votes mean nothing . on jan 6th the electoral collage votes -- that means something :) 02:38:16 arent you folks allowed to enter some other unlisted person? 02:38:35 yes -- write in vote 02:38:46 so we should've started a big campain online 02:38:49 I never seem to win tho 02:38:50 for everyone to vote clinton 02:38:51 :D 02:39:07 ohwell, maybe 2008 02:39:16 if he manages to survive till then :\ 02:39:24 he is ineligible cus of term limits -- hes' had his two 02:39:30 yeah but still 02:39:32 qFox: "at least it's just blowjobs"? 02:39:39 yep 02:39:40 :) 02:40:01 clinton is more pupular then bush and kerry combined :\ 02:40:07 blowjobs -- that's what bush did to the rest of us he blew our jobs 02:40:22 how could they ignore it when the majority of the ppl would vote for clinton? 02:40:37 (yes, ok, they would ignore it) 02:40:43 that was he campain cry - blow jobs for every american 02:41:39 and now the people who didn't work at there jobs anyway are all competeing for the government cheese 02:42:36 i never seem to win the write-in vote -- don't know why -- bush blew our jobs and clinton keeps them to himself 02:43:07 should have burned that dress -- with the bitch in it :) 02:43:32 --- join: mur_ (~mur@uiah.fi) joined #forth 02:45:57 they told Bush that the whiteman tried to genocide the Indians and so he gave them our IT jobs. 02:46:39 is this thing on == tap tap tap. 02:47:12 --- join: wossname (~wossname@rn-v1w5a06.uwaterloo.ca) joined #forth 02:57:06 --- quit: mur (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03:05:04 look at this ugly hack for printing numbers :p 03:05:04 : .kuf ( n -- ) dup 0= if drop 48 emit else dup ?negative if 45 emit negate then (base) @ >r 0 swap begin dup while r@ /mod swap 48 + rot 1+ rot repeat drop rdrop for emit next then ; 03:05:33 and in case you're wondering, the last part is needed because otherwise you'll print the numbers reversed (eg. 12345 would be 54321) 03:07:20 it works though :D 03:12:49 hey that's a good hack hehehe :) 03:13:18 no number formating code then like <# # #> ? 03:13:39 and a rotsign or some such? 03:13:48 --- quit: mur_ (Remote closed the connection) 03:14:22 --- join: mur (~mur@uiah.fi) joined #forth 03:16:44 nope 03:17:03 still , it works great 03:17:10 yeah. but its ugly, and slow 03:17:21 oh slow ya? 03:17:24 ok 03:17:53 well, my whole kuF is slow, might be just that :p but yes, this should be able to be done muchos faster 03:18:16 luckily i'm mainly after the "it works" version forn ow 03:18:40 ya 03:18:53 I "see" it working 03:22:47 won't go "as is" into gforth. 03:22:56 nope. 03:23:08 maybe if you change (base) to base it will 03:23:16 dont know about ?negative though 03:23:21 throws right before 48 03:23:24 ok 03:23:54 the second 48 :) 03:24:01 + ? 03:24:02 :\ 03:24:07 perhaps its rot 03:24:15 see if rot is defined 03:24:31 rot is code 03:24:37 yeah ok thats fine 03:24:59 i dont see why then 03:25:11