00:00:00 --- log: started forth/04.11.02 00:37:06 --- quit: swsch__ ("Leaving") 00:53:24 --- quit: Baughn (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 01:39:36 --- join: Baughn (~svein@sveinoa.stud.cs.uit.no) joined #forth 01:46:28 God dag! 02:16:39 terve 02:36:55 dav 02:46:07 Back from the lunch. 02:53:37 --- join: mur_ (~mur@mgw2.uiah.fi) joined #forth 03:02:21 --- quit: mur (Read error: 238 (Connection timed out)) 03:43:48 --- join: mur (~mur@mgw2.uiah.fi) joined #forth 03:48:59 --- join: crc (crc@26-pool1.ras11.nynyc-t.alerondial.net) joined #forth 03:55:49 --- quit: mur_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04:05:37 Guten Tag, crc! 04:06:24 Good morning ASau 04:11:36 --- join: mur_ (~mur@mgw2.uiah.fi) joined #forth 04:24:03 --- quit: mur (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04:44:11 --- join: Robert__ (~pink@c-bf5a71d5.17-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined #forth 04:44:11 --- quit: Robert (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05:13:16 --- quit: fridge (Remote closed the connection) 05:31:48 --- quit: crc (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05:49:21 --- join: fridge (~fridge@dsl-220-253-64-46.NSW.netspace.net.au) joined #forth 06:00:50 --- join: mur (~mur@mgw2.uiah.fi) joined #forth 06:07:52 --- join: ows (~ows@a81-84-114-211.netcabo.pt) joined #forth 06:10:52 --- quit: ows (Remote closed the connection) 06:12:51 --- quit: mur_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06:12:54 --- join: ows (~ows@a81-84-114-211.netcabo.pt) joined #forth 06:16:42 --- quit: skylan (Client Quit) 06:17:10 --- join: skylan (~sjh@vickesh01-4741.tbaytel.net) joined #forth 06:32:29 --- nick: Robert__ -> Robertt 06:32:31 --- nick: Robertt -> Robert 06:57:38 --- join: mur_ (~mur@mgw2.uiah.fi) joined #forth 07:01:29 --- quit: Baughn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07:05:00 --- join: madwork_ (~madgarden@derby.metrics.com) joined #forth 07:05:00 --- quit: madwork (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07:08:30 --- quit: mur (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07:14:21 --- join: qFox (C00K13S@82-169-140-229-mx.xdsl.tiscali.nl) joined #forth 07:17:21 Hi, Q 07:18:19 Did you know that I'm working with the devil? 07:19:27 --- join: ans (~ans@ppp-203.144.190.39.revip.asianet.co.th) joined #forth 07:19:59 --- part: ans left #forth 07:25:35 --- join: Baughn (~svein@cloud.brage.info) joined #forth 07:33:23 --- join: mur (~mur@kyberias.uiah.fi) joined #forth 07:36:51 no? explain 07:37:14 and while you're at it, could you tell me the latest updates with the US elections? 07:37:37 believe it or not, when i went to school this morning, it was all i heard on hte radio, but when i went home i havent heard a single word about them 07:37:53 a public figure in holland got murdered, rather brutaly 07:38:08 got shot first, and then stabbed to make sure the guy was dead 07:38:21 and this public figure wasnt even related to politics 07:38:39 just an artist, famous from tv, made a few (low budget) movies, some cheap tv shows, etc. 07:41:55 They said so in #c4th-ot :) 07:42:01 Anyway... 07:42:12 I've been working on the kernel of the new Forth system for 2 days. 07:42:18 they did? 07:42:25 The first day when I went to bed, the binary was 666 bytes. 07:42:33 The second day, 1337 bytes. 07:42:53 haha 07:48:45 --- quit: mur_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08:11:28 --- quit: ows (Connection timed out) 08:20:44 --- join: mur_ (~mur@kyberias.uiah.fi) joined #forth 08:23:26 --- join: ows (~ows@a81-84-114-211.netcabo.pt) joined #forth 08:27:04 --- quit: ASau ("leaving") 08:28:27 i've been thinking about that editor. but there's more to it then meets the eye 08:31:08 scrolling up and down, editing words, newlines, knowing whats been typed, etc. 08:31:48 --- quit: mur (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08:32:21 :) 08:32:22 just not as straightforward as it seems 08:32:29 Nothing ever is 08:32:33 true 08:32:37 At least not when it comes to forth 08:40:41 --- join: Klaw` (~anonymous@c-67-171-207-91.client.comcast.net) joined #forth 09:00:58 i'm gonna write me a little status bar first :) 09:01:36 Good, start realistic. ;) 09:04:07 :p 09:04:07 statusbar isnt very hard 09:04:07 just change the ok word 09:04:24 to write some status stuff on top of the screen AFTER the cr 09:05:49 --- join: Raystm2 (Rastm2@ACC8649F.ipt.aol.com) joined #forth 09:05:58 Hi Raystm2 09:08:24 --- quit: Baughn ("leaving") 09:10:30 --- join: Baughn (~user@cloud.brage.info) joined #forth 09:12:01 Last build: 1400 bytes. :) I always get special numbers. 09:13:20 --- quit: mur_ (Remote closed the connection) 09:13:54 --- join: mur (~mur@kyberias.uiah.fi) joined #forth 09:14:09 --- quit: Raystm2 (Excess Flood) 09:14:14 --- join: Raystm2 (Rastm2@ACC8649F.ipt.aol.com) joined #forth 09:16:12 --- quit: Raystm2 (Excess Flood) 09:16:19 --- join: Raystm2 (Rastm2@ACC8649F.ipt.aol.com) joined #forth 09:17:37 --- quit: Raystm2 (Excess Flood) 09:17:43 --- join: Raystm2 (Rastm2@ACC8649F.ipt.aol.com) joined #forth 09:19:47 hm. hey robert. why is there a does> anyways? 09:20:09 isnt something like this exactly the same? : doesthing [ variable ] literal ... ; 09:20:39 Eh... I can't see how that would do what DOES> does. 09:21:01 would be the same as : whatever create doesthing does> ... ; whatever doesthing 09:21:16 ehm, doesthing shouldnt be in the colondef 09:21:37 or something like that. you know what i mean right 09:21:49 Not really... 09:21:51 i'm just saying, you can live without does> 09:21:55 ok. 09:22:07 : constant create , does> @ ; 09:22:11 constant foo 09:22:37 or, variable foovar : foo [ foovar ] literal @ ; 09:22:44 foo will still be the same 09:23:01 you could actually just use foo instead of foovar 09:23:29 since a defining word should not yet be linked in the dict (or is that implementation dependent?) 09:23:44 Everything is implementation dependent. :) 09:23:50 right. well. whatever. 09:23:53 do you get the idea? 09:24:26 you dont _need_ does> and still get the exact same result. except you wont have a defining word i guess (although you could factor the does part and compile that) 09:24:57 thats actually sort of the hack i've come up with for does> ,except i merely jump to that code 09:25:03 (and its not a word) 09:25:40 anyways. i'm gonna write my statusbar :D 09:25:46 should be easy nuf 09:33:35 --- join: Topaz (~top@sown-86.ecs.soton.ac.uk) joined #forth 09:34:53 --- join: OrngeTide (orange@rm-f.net) joined #forth 09:35:16 ianp is our overlord now? man. I didn't vote for him. 09:36:19 Heh 09:36:20 chuck moore AND jeff fox at next svfig .. http://www.forth.org/svfig/next.html 09:36:22 Hi Topaz + OrngeTide 09:36:28 hio robert 09:36:29 heya 09:36:35 coolest uni practical ever :D 09:36:49 Too bad I'm on the other end of the world, then. 09:37:00 we're allowed 100x100um of a .35 micron CMOS die 09:37:09 wow! 09:37:21 what are you going to make? 09:37:55 wait. .35 CMOS? :( 09:37:56 we've got to implement a few silly things (an inverter, a counter), but it leaves tons of free silicon area 09:38:13 say. is something going on on the web? 09:38:15 you could make a 4-bit alu on it. :P 09:38:18 i'm experiencing extreme high pings 09:38:27 qFox, pornography 09:38:38 i'm thinking some kind of 4-bit proc, or a turing-style programmable state machine 09:38:38 but my internet connection as far as bandwidth goes is maxed (just fine) 09:38:48 4-bit Forth. :) 09:38:50 Topaz, a befunge machine. :) 09:38:53 or maybe just a LED row that flashes my name when waved around ;) 09:38:55 haha 09:39:01 i'm juust wondering whether it has something to do with the elections, or coincendence 09:39:22 Hah, Bin Laden has been chewing on the wires. 09:39:24 qFox, terrorists :) 09:39:26 haha :) 09:39:27 yeah! 09:39:39 no but i was just wondering whether packetkiddies were doing something crazy 09:40:36 you're perfectly safe unless your state voted for bush. that is if you can trust the word of a homocidal maniac. 09:40:59 he's probably packet flooding you right now. 09:41:31 i'm dutch so i dont really have to worry about my "state" voting for anything really 09:41:43 anyways, i was serious :\ 09:41:45 lucky 09:45:47 i wonder what sort of forth project I can put together by nov 20th. 09:47:07 --- join: SDO (~SDO@67-23-111-213.clspco.adelphia.net) joined #forth 09:49:27 whats then. 09:49:35 maybe i can put an lcd on my gumstix and then turn it into a gforth terminal. 09:49:44 qFox, forth day @ svfig 09:54:57 k 10:09:28 --- quit: Topaz (Read error: 242 (No route to host)) 10:25:29 --- join: Topaz (~top@sown-86.ecs.soton.ac.uk) joined #forth 10:29:14 --- quit: SDO (Connection timed out) 10:37:39 --- quit: ows (Connection timed out) 10:38:25 --- join: ows (~ows@a81-84-114-211.netcabo.pt) joined #forth 10:43:24 --- quit: madwork_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11:03:15 --- join: mur_ (~mur@smtp.uiah.fi) joined #forth 11:09:14 --- quit: Topaz (Remote closed the connection) 11:14:27 --- quit: mur (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11:21:49 --- quit: OrngeTide ("l8r") 11:22:08 --- join: proteusguy (~proteusgu@24-159-109-218.cpe.ga.charter.com) joined #forth 11:23:00 --- join: OrngeTide (orange@rm-f.net) joined #forth 11:31:52 --- join: avatar8888 (~allemann4@pD9E1F0FC.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 11:34:58 --- quit: avatar8888 (Client Quit) 11:37:48 --- join: tgunr1 (~davec@vsat-148-65-228-91.c012.g4.mrt.starband.net) joined #forth 11:38:30 --- quit: Robert ("LIES, ALL LIES") 11:42:14 --- join: mur (~mur@smtp.uiah.fi) joined #forth 11:54:44 --- quit: mur_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11:56:10 --- join: wincent (~wincent@void-109.pmnet.uni-oldenburg.de) joined #forth 12:06:12 --- join: tathi (~josh@pcp02123722pcs.milfrd01.pa.comcast.net) joined #forth 12:13:14 --- join: tathi_ (~josh@pcp02123722pcs.milfrd01.pa.comcast.net) joined #forth 12:13:29 --- quit: tathi (Nick collision from services.) 12:13:33 --- nick: tathi_ -> tathi 12:19:54 implemented my own type and emit now :p its hellish slow, but it works 12:20:05 printing numbers is gonna be hell though :( 12:20:12 so i wont bother with them just yet :p 12:26:26 bah, printing numbers isn't that hard. 12:28:48 well, it's a bit of a nuisance if you implement all the <# # #> etc words first. 12:28:59 but just implementing . is no big deal. 12:40:47 qFox, what is this on? 12:45:39 . is easy if you have your division right heh 12:46:50 you should do it without division. :) 12:48:59 how can you get division wrong? 12:49:30 --- join: madwork_ (~madgarden@derby.metrics.com) joined #forth 12:52:48 sup forthers 12:53:05 i just mean that its a matter of converting the number to string 12:53:14 i havent (and wont for a long long time) implemented <# yet 12:53:30 but then again i suppose printing them wont be THAT bad 12:54:52 you just build the string starting from the end. 12:55:25 its the base thats the biggest problem 12:55:26 /MOD by BASE, add '0' or 'A' to convert to a character, repeat. 12:55:52 oh? 13:02:52 i wish ascii put 'A' right after '9' .. then it would be more effiecient to print hexidecimal 13:04:32 although ascii's layout does make doing BCD super easy. 13:05:56 yup. 13:06:07 I think when I get to having an OS (i.e. drawing my own fonts) 13:06:19 I'll just use 0-36 as [0-9a-z] 13:06:27 or [0-9A-Z], whichever. 13:06:48 nah. just play a hardcoded table in ROM and use that. 13:06:52 s/play/place 13:06:56 oh, huh. I hadn't thought about BCD. 13:07:11 x86 has tons of BCD related instructions. 13:07:24 yeah, I remember that. 13:07:55 there has to be some interesting way to use those instructions. i could never come up with anything though. 13:08:48 ugh. wikipedia put a bunch of pro-kerry stuff up. i hope they don't have non-profit status, because this can cause them to lose it. 13:10:10 oh. heh. someone just took it down. right when i went to edit the page and take it out. 13:10:28 yay for wiki's :\ 13:11:03 thank goodness. i'm tired of all this kerry-fandom vs. bush-fandom. 13:11:14 i just want to read something apolitical. 13:11:33 believe it or not, there's hardly any talk about the US elections in holland ;) 13:12:04 well there was, untill some public figure got brutaly murdered in broad daylight (ok, 9am) 13:12:11 ohwell 13:12:16 i'm off. later. 13:12:46 --- quit: qFox ("this quit is sponsored by somebody!") 13:13:17 it's good that at least some countries aren't interested in american politics. 13:14:20 err...why would they be? 13:17:06 --- join: mur_ (~mur@uiah.fi) joined #forth 13:27:19 --- join: swsch (~stefan@p5091E1CF.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 13:29:35 --- quit: mur (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13:37:21 tathi, it's good because if they are interested then they may be tempted to interfer. and nobody likes other nations interfering with their democratic process. 13:39:17 no, I mean, why WOULD anyone from another country be interested in American politics? 13:39:23 it's kind of a joke, isn't it? 13:46:40 eheh. that's a good point. 13:46:49 bin laden seems interested though. but he's insane. 13:47:04 maybe anyone interested in american politics is insane, including americans? :) 13:51:38 hrm.. this STOIC language sounds neat. http://stoical.sourceforge.net/summary.php 13:54:45 --- join: SDO (~SDO@67-23-111-213.clspco.adelphia.net) joined #forth 13:58:07 eheh. i got the perfect fortune today: 13:58:08 If God wanted us to have a President, He would have sent us a candidate. -- Jerry Dreshfield 13:58:15 how appropriate 13:58:16 lol 13:59:53 heh. "STOICAL might therefore be more accurately represented by the recursive acronym SINS, SINS Is Not STOIC, but this word has a remarkable stigma attached to it ;-)". 14:00:03 sounds interesting though. 14:00:42 yea. my buddy made a forth-like that was string based. but apparently this STOIC thing predates his little hack. 14:01:27 his colon definitions had you pass the word and the code for the word as parameters though. so it looked more like { ." Hello World!" CR } HW : 14:01:54 huh 14:02:06 hey. that's backwards forth. but that doesn't make it look forwards, it makes it look even more backwards! 14:02:24 :) 14:02:41 yea. { } would put a cell on the stack that is a reference to the code between the { } 14:02:57 kinda like a lamba in lisp, i think. 14:03:22 or perhaps like :NONAME but the code is freed once it is no longer used. 14:21:21 --- quit: wincent (Remote closed the connection) 14:22:19 --- join: wincent (~wincent@void-109.pmnet.uni-oldenburg.de) joined #forth 14:36:33 --- quit: wincent (Remote closed the connection) 14:40:14 --- quit: Raystm2 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14:51:49 --- quit: proteusguy ("The #python split is remarkably silly...") 14:53:42 --- quit: Herkamire (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14:58:41 --- quit: SDO (Connection timed out) 15:11:43 --- quit: OrngeTide ("weee") 15:22:56 --- quit: tathi ("blah blah blah") 15:28:21 --- quit: Baughn (Remote closed the connection) 15:29:10 --- quit: tgunr1 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15:42:34 --- join: allemann454 (~allemann4@pD955E41C.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 15:43:16 --- quit: I440r ("brb") 15:45:18 --- part: allemann454 left #forth 15:46:10 --- join: swsch_ (~stefan@p5091FE52.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 16:00:41 --- join: Topaz (~top@sown-89.ecs.soton.ac.uk) joined #forth 16:01:28 --- quit: mur_ (Remote closed the connection) 16:02:07 --- join: mur (~mur@kyberias.uiah.fi) joined #forth 16:02:27 --- quit: swsch (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16:26:59 --- join: proteusguy (~proteusgu@24-159-109-218.cpe.ga.charter.com) joined #forth 16:34:01 --- join: Sonarman (~matt@adsl-64-160-167-214.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) joined #forth 16:34:50 --- quit: Sonarman (Client Quit) 16:34:51 --- join: Sonarman (~matt@adsl-64-160-167-214.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) joined #forth 16:34:59 --- quit: Sonarman (Nick collision from services.) 16:35:29 --- join: Sonarman (~matt@adsl-64-160-167-214.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) joined #forth 16:48:32 --- quit: Topaz ("Leaving") 17:08:57 --- join: I440r (~mark4@216-110-82-59.gen.twtelecom.net) joined #forth 17:19:45 --- join: hefner (~hefner@pool-141-157-7-146.balt.east.verizon.net) joined #forth 17:22:28 --- join: SDO (~Super@67-23-111-213.clspco.adelphia.net) joined #forth 17:28:55 --- join: mur_ (~mur@kyberias.uiah.fi) joined #forth 17:41:24 --- quit: mur (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17:44:37 --- quit: SDO (Remote closed the connection) 17:57:21 --- join: SDO (~Super@67-23-111-213.clspco.adelphia.net) joined #forth 18:03:19 --- join: rAnDOMgoD (~Tyler@ip68-225-160-110.ok.ok.cox.net) joined #forth 18:06:54 p/j/n/oforth, what next, qforth 18:08:36 --- quit: rAnDOMgoD ("Leaving") 18:12:47 i think thats alreaedy been done :) 18:25:42 --- join: Sonarman_ (~matt@ppp-66-124-254-166.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) joined #forth 18:32:48 --- quit: Sonarman (Read error: 238 (Connection timed out)) 18:42:38 --- nick: Sonarman_ -> Sonar 18:42:42 --- nick: Sonar -> Sonarman 18:51:39 --- quit: ows ("Client Exiting") 18:53:50 --- join: Sonarman_ (~matt@adsl-66-124-255-237.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) joined #forth 19:01:54 --- quit: Sonarman_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19:06:54 --- quit: Sonarman (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19:07:33 --- join: Sonarman (~matt@adsl-66-124-255-216.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) joined #forth 19:13:12 --- join: RaNdOMgoD (~login2@ip68-225-160-110.ok.ok.cox.net) joined #forth 19:24:57 --- join: Herkamire (~jason@h000094d30ba2.ne.client2.attbi.com) joined #forth 19:24:58 --- mode: ChanServ set +o Herkamire 20:48:29 --- join: zardon (~zardon@S0106000d6151238b.gv.shawcable.net) joined #forth 21:07:20 --- quit: RaNdOMgoD (Read error: 238 (Connection timed out)) 21:58:32 --- quit: oxygene (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21:58:33 --- quit: Stepan (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21:58:47 --- join: oxygene (~oxygene@khepri.openbios.org) joined #forth 21:59:22 --- join: Stepan (~Stepan@khepri.openbios.org) joined #forth 22:01:00 --- quit: mur_ (Remote closed the connection) 22:01:37 --- join: mur (~mur@smtp.uiah.fi) joined #forth 22:09:44 --- quit: Sonarman ("leaving") 22:43:39 --- join: Raystm2 (Rastm2@ACD12D71.ipt.aol.com) joined #forth 22:53:35 --- quit: Herkamire ("bed") 23:41:25 --- join: qFox (C00K13S@82-169-140-229-mx.xdsl.tiscali.nl) joined #forth 23:55:46 um, seems like bush is gonna be kicking for a little longer :\ 23:56:39 although, with such a close call on so many voters, one should move on to the actual number of votes each side got :\ 23:57:04 ohwell 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/04.11.02