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02:37:48 <qFox> Robert
02:37:53 <qFox> you awake? :)
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04:05:58 <Robert> Ehm.
04:06:01 <Robert> qFox: I'm awake
04:06:15 <Robert> Seems like poor Serg mysteriously lost his user account on my box.
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06:31:26 <qFox> Robert> how would i create a word like park.exe that reboots the system?
06:31:29 <qFox> in your F
06:31:45 <Robert> Hmm..
06:31:53 <qFox> sickntired of rebooting that laptop by pressing and holding the powerbutton 5 sec
06:31:54 <qFox> twice
06:32:05 <Robert> Doesn't it support ctrl+alt+del?
06:32:09 <qFox> and when i press ctrlaltdel it wont reboot
06:32:14 <Robert> Hrm.
06:32:23 * Robert checks the code
06:32:34 <qFox> it'll reboot but not actually boot up
06:32:35 <Robert> Maybe your computer is incompatible with my reboot code :/
06:32:39 <qFox> very odd
06:32:48 <Robert> Not boot up? As in the computer crashes?
06:33:04 <qFox> well. just not boot up
06:33:08 <qFox> it'll show the boot screen but nothing else
06:33:13 <Robert> Odd
06:33:15 <qFox> very
06:33:27 <Robert> You should check the reboot code of some other systems
06:33:29 <qFox> so maybe a different type of reboot
06:33:34 <Robert> Perhaps I need to quit pmode
06:33:37 <qFox> it gives me KBC error btw
06:33:42 <Robert> Hehe
06:33:46 <qFox> full ints! yay ;)
06:33:48 <Robert> The KBC is used to reboot the machine.
06:33:54 <qFox> oh
06:34:01 <Robert> Some old IBM hack
06:34:02 <qFox> never heard of that one before but ok
06:34:17 <Robert> Well, there might be modern (post-8088) ways
06:34:18 <qFox> anyways, cant i int 13 it? or something
06:34:23 <qFox> i forgot the number
06:34:40 <Robert> Nah.
06:34:48 <qFox> oh cos its a dos int
06:34:50 <Robert> Maybe by switching back to real mode and doing it.
06:34:51 <qFox> ?
06:35:00 <qFox> thats way out of my league then
06:35:00 <Robert> int 0x13 is a BIOS int, for disk managment
06:35:04 <qFox> oh
06:35:10 <qFox> wasnt there an int for rebooting?
06:35:17 <Robert> I think you should try to find out a good way to reboot.
06:35:23 <Robert> Check some other code. :)
06:35:31 <qFox> i was trying by bothering you ;)
06:35:36 <Robert> Hehe.
06:36:05 <Robert> If you don't solve it now, I'll do it later. Much later. ;)
06:36:13 <qFox> okay
06:36:13 <qFox> afk
06:36:16 <Robert> OK, bye
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07:38:12 <madgarden_> Check out the FAQ on the XGameStation (hardware game platform), about 2nd from the bottom: http://www.nurve.net/faq.php#a0
07:38:57 <Raystm2> y?
07:40:27 <madgarden_> Cool little game platform for Forthin'.
07:41:09 <Raystm2> really -- for forth huh :)
07:41:23 <madgarden_> Yea!
07:42:26 <Raystm2> that's cool 
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08:56:23 <qFox> is , supposed to move dp?
08:56:31 <Robert> Yes
08:56:35 <qFox> oki then i did that correct :p
08:56:38 <Robert> :)
08:56:49 * Robert is trying to design the new F
08:57:02 <qFox> :D
08:57:12 <qFox> i'm trying to get a full basic wordset going
08:57:16 <Robert> Hehe
08:57:21 <qFox> just redefined : and ; to my own words
08:57:29 <qFox> (instead of "native" F words)
08:57:41 <Robert> One thing I'm thinking about his how to design general interfaces (like UNIX block devices, character devices etc.)
08:58:08 <qFox> i'm more worried about ui's
08:58:11 <qFox> :)
08:58:16 <qFox> well, basic wordset first
08:58:42 <qFox> right now my ; is borking up because i confused compile again
08:59:00 <qFox> compile is a strange word, at least how i implemented it
08:59:17 <qFox> like, : foo compile bar ; 
08:59:26 <qFox> when foo is executed, it will compile the word bar
08:59:34 <qFox> (obviously foo is an immediate)
08:59:46 <qFox> mostly used for branching words etc
09:00:04 <qFox> but i tried to compile a 0 instead :p (0 indicates the end of a word for my forth)
09:00:08 <qFox> its like a ret
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09:00:28 <Robert> Hi Serg[GPRS]_ 
09:00:39 <Serg[GPRS]_> hi
09:00:46 <Robert> I didn't think you used your account, so I removed it and some other old accounts
09:00:56 <Robert> If you need it I can recreate it
09:01:12 <Serg[GPRS]_> oh, please !
09:01:39 <Serg[GPRS]_> i rarely use it - mostly to download, gzip and FTP big web pages ;)
09:02:41 <Serg[GPRS]_> or as 'traffic shield' to determine are some pages worth reading/downloading
09:18:20 <qFox> : ;n ( -- ) 0 , (latest)@ (defining)@ >pfa ! (defining)@ (latest)@ ! 0 (defining) ! postpone ] ; immediate
09:18:29 <qFox> its not working :(
09:18:35 <qFox> but i dont see why
09:21:04 <qFox> oh
09:21:06 <qFox> because
09:21:32 <qFox> i'm storing to (latest) contents, and it should be (latest) adr :\
09:22:43 <qFox> yap that was it :D
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10:25:48 <madgarden_> Hee! Forth on the GBA: http://medlem.spray.se/sandos/gba_forth/
10:33:36 <qFox> rofl
10:34:18 <qFox> its way old though, but cool
10:34:49 <Robert> GBA?
10:35:04 <madgarden_> Gameboy Advance
10:35:07 <Robert> Ah
10:37:26 <qFox> i guess input is with the very old system where you press A x times for the alphabet
10:37:33 <qFox> loooootsa typing :p
10:37:41 <qFox> but i guess it would be sweet just to have it
10:38:26 <madgarden_> I think he attached a keyboard somehow.
10:38:40 <madgarden_> But, there are 4 buttons and the d-pad, could make a half-useful system with it.
10:38:49 <madgarden_> 6 buttons, actually.
10:39:09 <qFox> he indicates that he did
10:39:16 <qFox> "very unintuitive"
10:39:34 <qFox> whats the cpu of a gba?
10:39:35 <qFox> speed?
10:40:55 <madgarden_> Dunno offhand... I think it's an ARM of some sort.
10:41:20 <qFox> 32-Bit ARM - 16.7 mhz
10:41:20 <qFox> with embedded memory RISC
10:41:31 <qFox> according to the first hit of an obvious search on google ;)
10:41:39 <qFox> 256 Kbyte WRAM (external of CPU)
10:41:39 <qFox> 32 Kbyte + 96 Kbyte VRAM (in CPU), 
10:42:23 <madgarden_> Nice!
10:42:31 <Robert> Heh, cool.
10:42:35 <Robert> What kind of screen?
10:42:41 <qFox> http://www.gameboy-advance.net/emulated/snes_roms_on_gba.htm
10:42:43 <qFox> scroll halfway
10:42:45 <qFox> :p
10:42:59 <qFox> (its a snes emulator for the gba... how twisted is that)
10:43:04 <Robert> Hah
10:43:48 <qFox> man just think. gba has a link cable thing
10:43:54 <qFox> and probably some other hole that can be probed :p
10:44:09 <qFox> hook up some wireless nic
10:44:13 <Robert> Hehe.
10:44:14 <Robert> IR!
10:44:20 <qFox> whatever floats your boat
10:44:24 <qFox> and you'll have a handheld
10:44:28 <Robert> <3
10:44:28 <qFox> a very leet one i might add :p
10:44:31 <Robert> With Forth.
10:44:49 <qFox> then all you have to do is master the input :p
10:45:09 <qFox> hm wait
10:45:11 * Robert is still thinking about how to design the Magic Forth Computer.
10:45:22 <Robert> I have this old 12-key keypad.
10:45:22 <qFox> wasnt there some gba addon that allows you to make pictures?
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10:45:33 <Robert> And I can make a morse code transmitter for output.
10:45:33 <qFox> and printer addon
10:45:39 <Robert> Do I need anything more? ;)
10:45:51 <qFox> then you could turn a gba into a webcam!!! o_0
10:47:19 <Robert> Hehe.
10:51:21 <qFox> but its not so hard to do, since there are links to the hardware for flashing stuff right there
10:51:25 <qFox> lets see whether they're still working :p
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10:52:15 <qFox> ioj well, since gameboy-advance.net isnt working...
10:52:32 <madgarden_> I still love pointing unbelievers to this page every now and then: http://forth.gsfc.nasa.gov/
10:52:52 <qFox> yeah but i knew this :p
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10:56:37 <qFox> ... and thats how you turn water into gold.
10:57:33 * Robert pets self. 144x43 text mode. :)
10:59:51 <madgarden_> I suppose a high-score-style "keyboard" could work.
11:02:17 <qFox> yeah i suppose
11:02:20 <qFox> :)
11:02:21 <qFox> afk bbl
11:02:51 <madgarden_> Yay me, finished my Forth work project last Wednesday.
11:03:17 <Robert> Cool.
11:03:19 <Robert> What was it?
11:04:46 <madgarden_> Automated test system for remote embedded devices.
11:04:59 <Robert> Sounds exciting.
11:05:14 <madgarden_> Yea, it was pretty fun. :)
11:06:44 <madgarden_> With this new system, the test cycle for a base unit was cut from 17 minutes to less than 3. :D
11:06:56 <Robert> Cool
11:09:54 <madgarden_> Now I'll be taking the system further to help techs diagnose problems in the field, reducing RMAs.
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12:15:24 <Rounin> Hm
12:15:34 <Rounin> I have no idea where I am, but hi, nevertheless
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19:32:12 <Robert> Hi TheBlueWizard 
19:32:23 <TheBlueWizard> Robert hiya
19:32:46 <fca> still up and going robert ?
19:33:35 <Robert> Why else would we have daylight savings, if not for providing me with a valid reason to stay up extra late once a year?
19:33:50 <fca> twice :)
19:34:06 <Robert> Nah. You don't GAIN an hour in the other end.
19:34:19 <fca> Robert: no, but it's an easy way to stay up late 
19:34:24 <fca> clockwise 
19:34:36 <Robert> Heh.
19:35:57 <fca> what's the time anyway ? 3:40 ? 
19:37:47 <Robert> Yep.
19:37:59 <fca> ok
19:38:09 <fca> damn I wasted my extra hour then
19:38:33 <Robert> :(
19:38:43 <fca> well it's probably not my last year :)
19:39:16 <Robert> Let's hope so.
19:39:19 <fca> it's too bad they've placed it the extra hour in the middle of the night though 
19:39:40 <fca> could have placed it like at 23:59 or so
19:40:45 <TheBlueWizard> yeah...only that this ought to be done at the midnight of Dec 31 so we could party an extra hour long ;)
19:41:18 <fca> yeah :)
19:41:48 <fca> well I don't care alot about new year, considering your probably a sleep at 21:40 anyway
19:42:27 <fca> like last years new years even, totally wasted, but whatever 
19:42:29 <Robert> Oh?
19:42:44 <fca> Robert: you don't drink at new year ? 
19:43:11 <Robert> No.
19:43:27 <fca> okay
19:43:33 <Robert> It's my duty to the Party not to drink, so to speak.
19:43:44 <fca> I do both
19:44:27 <Robert> I do neither.
19:44:38 <fca> oh ?
19:45:09 <Robert> Oh.
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21:49:27 <TheBlueWizard> warpzero hiya
21:49:47 <warpzero> hi
21:51:25 <TheBlueWizard> well, gotta go...all bye
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