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06:30:15 <Robert> Hi
06:30:54 <crc> Hello Robert
06:33:22 <crc> rather quiet this morning...
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06:33:40 <Robert> crc: Yeah, except it's not morning.
06:33:43 <Robert> Hi Herkamire 
06:34:03 <crc> Robert: it's morning here :-)
06:35:04 <Robert> But I don't live in Oz.
06:35:24 <Robert> Oh, well, I went up late enough for this to count as morning.
06:35:28 <crc> :-)
06:35:49 * crc has been updating the RetroForth documentation and working on the 7.5 release
06:37:37 * Robert checks the home page
06:37:44 <Herkamire> hi Robert :)
06:38:00 <Herkamire> crc: cool :) how's the native version coming?
06:38:08 <crc> Not too bad
06:38:36 <crc> The supported drivers are pretty solid now, and I'll have a port of VIBE running on it very soon
06:38:46 <Robert> 20kB of code and 6 years of development?
06:38:58 <Robert> How many bits is that per day? ;)
06:39:39 <crc> I'm not sure :-)
06:42:05 <crc> It's about half the size that 4.0 was, despite having much more functionality :-)
06:44:58 <crc> After I release 7.5, I'll be focusing on getting VGA support in place
06:45:18 * crc is also doing some work on getting RetroForth to run on the L4 microkernel
06:45:25 <Robert> Cool!
06:45:35 <Robert> I should check it out...after this nap.
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07:03:35 <crc> If the interpreter encounters an undefined word, should it stop interpreting or ignore it? (either way, it will be reported)
07:05:18 <crc> (The compiler just reports the error and continues compiling, so I'm wondering if I should modify the interpreter to do the same)
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07:18:23 <Herkamire> oh, that would be great to have VIBE :)
07:18:52 <Herkamire> crc: it should definitely stop
07:19:01 <Herkamire> crc: especially when compiling files/blocks
07:20:23 <Herkamire> even on the cmdline it can be important, eg if you have a typo in a variable name or something
07:20:43 <Herkamire> "my-ver @" should print word-not-found, not crash
07:26:16 <crc> good point
07:30:32 * crc will leave the interpreter alone then
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07:41:22 <Herkamire> huh? it should _not_ continue
07:41:52 <crc> The current behavor of the interpreter is to stop
07:42:19 <crc> The compiler continues compiling right now
07:44:47 <slava> it should stope compiling
07:44:51 <crc> slava: why?
07:45:07 <slava> "fail early, fail often" ;)
07:45:16 <slava> crc, i wrote a simple drawing application in factor
07:45:29 <crc> slava: cool
07:45:30 <slava> i have to allow resizing and deleting existing shapes, and different colors now
07:45:40 <Herkamire> crc: oh :) I didn't realise the interpreter and compiler behave differently
07:45:43 <crc> slava: it reports the errors, why stop the compile
07:45:50 <slava> crc, then i guess its ok
07:45:53 <Herkamire> crc: why continue? the code isn't going to work anyway
07:45:57 <slava> crc, still what if you have this
07:46:05 <slava> : foo bafdas ( mistake ) ! ;
07:46:07 <slava> 123 foo
07:46:09 <Herkamire> crc: also, it could crash the same way my example above
07:46:09 <slava> in a block
07:46:24 <slava> it might burn badly
07:46:31 <slava> anyway, i have a midterm exam now, bye all
07:51:15 * crc searches for a clean way to stop compiling...
07:53:55 <crc> I can compile a 'ret' into the the definition, and continue compiling the rest of the word
07:54:06 <crc> Or I can just compile the rest of the word
07:54:13 <oxygene> or forget the word?
07:54:33 <crc> oxygene: that would be too complex
08:00:39 * crc hates hacking the compiler code
08:01:02 <crc> If I just break out of the compiler loop, the rest of the line gets interpreted
08:01:27 * crc might just compile a 'ret' and the rest of the definition
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13:31:07 <futhin> anybody here familiar with colorforth? my code ain't working
13:31:08 <futhin> TYPE unpack 0 if space drop drop ; next emit type ;
13:31:08 <futhin> HW 70 256 * dup type 2 + type ;
13:31:09 <futhin> HI show black screen hw keyboard ;
13:31:41 <futhin> basically 70 is the block that has the "hello world"
13:32:12 <futhin> hmm maybe i forgot to fetch?
13:32:58 <futhin> nah no fetch needed
13:33:23 <Robert> Oooh, read-only code!
13:33:47 <futhin> actually fetch needed..  and i did forget to do FFFFFFF0 AND on it
13:34:04 <futhin> Robert: are you kidding?
13:34:32 <futhin> paste any non-forth code and i assure you i won't understand it one bit..  even C :P
13:38:13 <futhin> its ok, you can speak, i'm not looking for a flamewar
13:38:43 <futhin> has anyone here read "the humane interface"?  i just read it again and i want to discuss it..
13:42:48 <Stepan> futhing.. cant read the code, i dont see the colors
13:44:50 <futhin> Stepan: the stuff in bold is red.. the rest is green
13:45:30 <futhin> colorforth's IF is non destructive right?
13:52:37 <futhin> hmm i found some coloforth code that does hello world in the same way that i was trying to do it lol
13:53:15 <tathi> so...did you figure out why yours didn't work?
13:53:22 <tathi> (I have read THI, btw)
13:53:45 <futhin> tathi: yeah its because i wasn't fetching from the address and masking it
13:54:46 <tathi> gotcha
13:54:52 <futhin> tathi: well i've been thinking of implementing some of ideas of THI in colorforth..  but i can't figure out how to have the whole os as one large flat document AND have zoomable interface
13:54:58 <tathi> you just didn't say whether it actually worked after that, so...
13:55:10 <futhin> well i'm at the library
13:55:21 <futhin> so no real way of testing my code :)
13:55:34 <tathi> hmm...I have some reservations about the zooming thing.
13:56:20 <tathi> I guess my main issue is that I think I want things to be more like links, rather than "zooming in" to a sub-object.
13:56:48 <tathi> I mean, what if you have something "contained" in several places?
13:58:10 <futhin> well thats ok i think.. multiple paths to get to that something based on the context that you are working in
13:58:23 <tathi> yeah, I suppose.
13:58:47 <tathi> I also don't understand how it would work in some cases -- like in herkforth's interface
13:58:57 <tathi> you have a command to go to the definition of the word
13:59:14 <tathi> what's it going to do, zoom in until the blank space is big enough, and then display the definition in it?
13:59:20 <tathi> just sounds ugly.
14:00:11 <tathi> ok, sorry to go off on a tangent
14:00:35 <tathi> why can't you have one flat document and zooming?
14:01:20 <futhin> probably can
14:01:35 <futhin> but in zooming, the "flat document" isn't portrayed sequentially
14:01:40 <futhin> you've got all these boxes all over the place
14:01:43 <futhin> and within each other
14:02:14 <tathi> err...sequentially?
14:02:19 <futhin> so it seems confusing to LEAP sequentially within the "flat document" and also zoom around
14:02:28 <tathi> oh.
14:02:34 <futhin> s/sequentially/linearly
14:03:05 <tathi> yeah, that's my biggest objection to Jef.  He has some really neat ideas, but he leaves a lot out when it comes to putting them all together.
14:03:24 <tathi> hmm...I've always sort of thought that you need keys to navigate within a history of where you've been.
14:03:57 <futhin> well in his book is like chapter 2 to 4 is the scientific part
14:04:05 <futhin> and some of chap 5
14:04:09 <futhin> and the rest of the book is all his ideas
14:04:13 <tathi> yeah.
14:04:14 <futhin> his 1980's ideas heh
14:04:19 <tathi> but his ideas seem kind of disconnected
14:04:23 <futhin> yup
14:04:33 <tathi> I'm not sure if he hasn't put them together yet
14:04:36 <futhin> he doesn't really explain the rationale or keep it rigorous etc
14:04:41 <tathi> or if he just thinks it's obvious how they fit together :)
14:05:29 <futhin> heh
14:05:33 <futhin> yeah i understand that too
14:05:52 <futhin> i know that if i tried to explain some of my ideas i'd be like Jef
14:05:56 <tathi> He seems to have text-editing pretty much figured out.
14:06:06 <futhin> half of it would be grounded in science, the other half would just seem "obvious" to me :P
14:06:11 <tathi> But I don't see how his principles for THE would extend to, say, image editing.
14:06:33 <tathi> yup :)
14:06:43 <tathi> that's what makes it so hard to write good documentation
14:07:09 <tathi> the stuff that people need explained is often the stuff that's obvious to you.
14:07:24 <futhin> yeah i definitely want to extend his stuff for image editing, etc
14:07:29 <futhin> but i think i have some ideas there
14:07:32 <tathi> cool
14:07:55 <tathi> ok, want my thoughts on LEAP/zooming?
14:08:12 <tathi> if I can present them in a coherent fashion? :P
14:08:15 <futhin> yes please :)
14:08:49 <tathi> if you're zooming/panning, you're going to a spatial location
14:08:58 <tathi> you know where the thing is, because you put it there.
14:09:20 <tathi> if you're LEAPing, you're looking for specific information, you don't necessarily care where (spatially) it is.
14:09:45 <futhin> yeah
14:09:52 <tathi> if you LEAP somewhere, occasionally you may want to zoom out and find out where you've got to (spatially), so you can come back later.
14:10:08 <tathi> but I *think* that usually you'll just be looking for specific information
14:10:22 <tathi> and once you find it, you'll want to be able to just pop back to whatever you're working on.
14:10:32 <tathi> the concepts seem somewhat orthogonal to me.
14:10:42 <tathi> different means of navigating for different purposes.
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14:11:10 <tathi> I *do* think you need a LAST command (or something) to go back where you were before you LEAPt
14:11:47 <futhin> hmm i guess he didn't explicitly mention that
14:11:55 <tathi> Personally, I want to try having a full history tree, with the ability to choose between branches when you're going forward.
14:11:55 <futhin> well he sort of mentions osmething like that
14:12:08 <tathi> I don't remember him connecting LEAP and the zooming interface at all.
14:12:08 <futhin> where you leap to a word, then backtrack and leap to a different word
14:12:15 <futhin> yeah he didn't heh
14:12:19 <tathi> oh, a back button
14:12:25 <tathi> right.  Now I'm wit' ya.
14:13:55 <tathi> hmm...where did I put that book...
14:14:01 <futhin> :)
14:14:19 <futhin> well i was thinking that the flat document would be completely open
14:14:24 <futhin> i.e. no hidden info
14:14:27 <tathi> ok
14:14:46 <futhin> so i guess the spatial information would be stored in the first block of each document
14:15:07 <futhin> where document is the "unit" of information..  the "boxes" that you see while zooming around
14:15:34 <tathi> right
14:15:52 <Herkamire> I'm not so interested in having herkforth in a zooming thing
14:16:03 <futhin> i was thinkign of extending colorforth piecemiel until i had something like THE
14:16:05 <Herkamire> more like jumping around
14:16:09 <futhin> so i would keep the blocks
14:16:28 <Herkamire> I may try a zooming interface for navigating source, but more as a curiosity experiment.
14:16:58 <futhin> Herkamire: so your mind rebels against the usefulness of a zooming interface? ;)
14:17:10 <Herkamire> futhin: no, I just don't think it's the most useful way to do herkforth source
14:17:22 <tathi> well, not source.
14:17:24 <Herkamire> futhin: I would very much like to try it for organizing my files
14:17:30 <tathi> yeah, data.
14:17:39 <futhin> *gasp* the f word :P
14:17:41 <Herkamire> I hesitated before saying "files"
14:17:44 <futhin> :)
14:18:11 <futhin> is herkforth ppc specific?
14:18:16 <Herkamire> herkforth's go-to-def is kinda like zooming in, but going back isn't always teh same as zooming out
14:18:19 <tathi> heh
14:18:20 <Herkamire> futhin: yes
14:18:44 <Herkamire> for example you can find-next and back and out would be totally different things
14:19:11 <Herkamire> basically herkforth already addresses the main benifits I imagine a zooming interface would give
14:19:34 <Herkamire> and is better in some ways, eg you can fit a lot more source on the screen
14:19:47 <Herkamire> and getting where you want is often instant
14:20:05 <tathi> yah, that's my other objection to zooming
14:20:12 <tathi> I don't want to have to wait for it to go somewhere
14:20:33 <Herkamire> tathi: yeah, I'm worried about that too
14:20:44 <tathi> Like even the zoomy rectangles on old MacOS were really annoying sometimes. :)
14:20:48 <Herkamire> I think a zooming interface would be wonderful for data that I don't use much
14:21:04 <Herkamire> but anything that I do a lot I should be able to do quick by typing something shortish
14:21:23 <Herkamire> tathi: yep :)
14:22:21 <Herkamire> futhin: I'm (hopefully soon) going to release a pre-built version of herkforth all set up to run under qemu on other architectures
14:23:11 <Herkamire> I just have to do a couple hacks to get around the two ioctls I use that don't work under qemu
14:24:07 <futhin> huh? zooming wouldn't fit less source on the screen
14:25:44 <Herkamire> sure it would
14:25:49 <Herkamire> some is going to be really big
14:25:56 <Herkamire> and some will be too small to read
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14:26:09 <Herkamire> so the amount of legible text will be reduced
14:32:26 <futhin> um..
14:32:48 <futhin> thats only when you're seeing more than one box
14:33:01 <futhin> if you've zoomed into a box of source
14:33:04 <futhin> then its going to fill up the entire screen
14:33:20 <tathi> and then if you zoom in to the definition of one of the words in that screen?
14:33:22 <futhin> and its going to fit as much source as a non-zooming interface
14:33:44 <futhin> yeah i guess you could do that too
14:34:04 <tathi> no, I mean, then what would it look like?
14:34:09 <tathi> that's what he's talking about
14:34:10 <Herkamire> here's an example: http://herkamire.com/downloads/src-zoom.png
14:34:27 <tathi> that's how the interface on herkforth works, except it's more like a link.
14:34:44 <tathi> you're looking at some source, you have a key to go to the definition of the word under the cursor.
14:34:56 <Herkamire> right
14:35:23 <Herkamire> it shows the definition of what's under the cursor near the bottom of the editor. a key takes you to the definition
14:35:32 <futhin> well when you zoom into a link, like the definition of one of the words in the screen, basically it just pops you into the new window
14:35:53 <futhin> its not going to show text within your current window like a magnifying glass
14:35:57 <futhin> its going to act like a link
14:35:58 <Herkamire> futhin: how is that better than just hitting the link?
14:36:12 <futhin> hitting the link with what?
14:36:13 <Herkamire> futhin: then it's not zooming. then zooming is just stupid eye candy
14:36:31 <futhin> no the zooming exists for the content that you arrange spatially and within each other
14:36:34 <futhin> for the actual links
14:36:38 <futhin> like when you zoom into a webpage
14:36:50 <Herkamire> in a zooming interface, as described in THI, there is no morphing or anything things don't dissapear and be replaced by smaller things
14:36:55 <futhin> then it just pops you into the page that was linked to
14:36:58 <Herkamire> it works just like a magnifying glass, you just zoom in
14:37:44 <futhin> wrong, he describes where you zoom into the patient's heart rate info etc, and if you zoomed into a technical word, it pops you into a medical reference book
14:38:01 <futhin> i.e. it acts as a link at the deeper levels of the zoom
14:38:01 <Herkamire> oh
14:38:07 <Herkamire> ok
14:38:34 <futhin> actually i think he describes that on the webpage rather than the book?  i'm not sure
14:38:40 <futhin> or mabye he doesn't describe that at all
14:38:46 <futhin> and that was my original interpretation :P
14:39:01 <Herkamire> I don't remember it, but it sounds plausable
14:40:04 <Herkamire> anyway, sounds terribly silly for the herkforth source editor
14:40:43 <futhin> so that picture is your source eidtor? looks really cool! :)
14:41:01 <Herkamire> futhin: no, I made that in sodipody (vector editor)
14:41:25 <Herkamire> this is herkforth: http://herkamire.com/jason/herkforth_screenshot
14:43:52 <futhin> so typing below the line of the asterix is how you input code?  and it gets stored to the editor?
14:43:59 <Herkamire> tathi: In my herkforth for qemu package, I'm going to ship the set-term and restore-term you wrote a long time ago for fpos :)
14:44:09 <futhin> er..
14:44:14 <Herkamire> tcsetattr doesn't work in qemu
14:45:14 <Herkamire> there's an input line at the bottom, much like irssi
14:45:21 <Herkamire> except space and return both clear it
14:45:46 <Herkamire> the white box is my terminal's cursor, where text is input
14:49:23 <tathi> futhin: actually in THI he makes it sound like it always zooms in.
14:49:30 <tathi> that was my main objection.
14:49:38 <tathi> if it just pops you there, then that's cool.
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14:51:09 <tathi> Herkamire: I thought my set-term and restore-term used the ioctl that tcsetattr calls?
14:54:11 <tathi> hrm...I'm just finding set-term and restore-term written in C, that use tcsetattr
14:55:32 <tathi> you have something else?
14:57:56 <Herkamire> I mean the little C programs
14:58:07 <Herkamire> I'll have them compiled to the native architecture.
14:58:27 <tathi> ah.
14:58:28 <tathi> gotcha.
14:58:29 <Herkamire> and have a script that calls them (and qemu-ppc herkforth inbetween)
14:58:31 <tathi> clever
15:02:16 <Herkamire> ok, I'm off to dinner and juggling
15:02:27 <tathi> have fun
15:03:13 <tathi> futhin: speaking of Jef, do you know how he feels about other people using his ideas?
15:03:25 <tathi> I mean, he has a patent on the LEAP keys thing.
15:03:31 <tathi> So I'm curious.
15:04:54 <Herkamire> bastard
15:05:05 <Herkamire> ok, really gone
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15:41:10 <tathi> Aha.
15:41:46 <tathi> "LEAP and its related methods are patented, and no commercial or distribution license is afforded by this description or the open-source implementation being made public."
15:42:07 <tathi> "Personal or developmental use is encouraged.  LEAP is a trademark."
15:42:15 <tathi> :(
15:42:35 <Robert> What is it about?
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15:44:56 <tathi> In Jef Raskin's book "The Humane Interface" he describes a method of searching, which he calls LEAP.
15:45:06 <tathi> see also http://humane.sourceforge.net/
15:45:09 <Robert> Searching what?
15:45:09 <Robert> OK
15:45:12 <tathi> text
15:45:19 <tathi> he's a user-interface guy
15:45:24 <Robert> Ah, OK.
15:45:36 <tathi> largely responsible for the design of the Classic Macintosh
15:57:02 <tathi> futhin: ah, looks like if you LEAP, then want to go back, you use UNDO.
16:00:02 <futhin> back :)
16:00:09 <futhin> interesting tho..
16:00:20 <futhin> guess we don't need a leap-undo command then :P
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16:03:30 * futhin had to go pick up a tire
16:06:44 <tathi> I'm not sure I like that, but whatever.
16:06:56 <futhin> hmm
16:07:00 <tathi> (UNDOing LEAPS, not you going to pick up a tire :P)
16:07:10 <futhin> :)
16:07:13 <tathi> oh wait.
16:07:16 <tathi> undo is a key.
16:07:26 <futhin> yeah
16:07:29 <tathi> I keep forgetting that.
16:16:09 <tathi> well, enough of this high-level nonsense -- I'm going back to designing my assembler :)
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16:17:02 <futhin> heh
16:17:08 <futhin> dang
16:17:21 <futhin> somebody tell me about tathi's assembler 
16:17:41 <futhin> i want colorforth to metacompile i think
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16:45:41 <futhin> hi unfies :)
16:46:31 <futhin> and hi ez4
16:46:32 <Robert> Silly forther.
16:46:41 <futhin> Robert: whom?
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16:47:17 <futhin> it's interesting how few new ppl this channel gets
16:47:25 <futhin> all the new ppl never talk or something
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16:47:30 <futhin> and then leave eventually
16:47:34 <futhin> after they realize we're all mad?
16:48:05 <Robert> futhin: unfies.
16:49:32 <unfies> i'm just here to say hi to i440r, that's all :)
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16:49:45 <futhin> heh
16:49:50 <futhin> too much text!
16:49:56 * futhin blames robert
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17:01:24 <Robert> Hi Sonarman 
17:01:25 <Robert> er
17:01:27 <Robert> Hi slava 
17:01:28 <slava> hi
17:10:07 <Sonarman> hi anyway, Robert
17:10:14 <Robert> :)
17:10:31 <Robert> I have enough love for the both of you.
17:12:14 <Sonarman> yay!
17:12:53 <slava> Robert my love!
17:13:59 <Robert> *kusje*
17:17:10 <Sonarman> this ANS version of P[ was a lot more difficult to write than i expected
17:17:14 <Sonarman> ans hate
17:17:25 <Robert> P[ ?
17:17:26 <Sonarman> arke hate
17:17:33 <Robert> Haha.
17:17:51 <Sonarman> postpone foo postpone bar 2 postpone literal postpone +  ----> P[ foo bar 2 + ]P
17:18:12 <Robert> Ah, I see.
17:18:32 <Sonarman> because i have to build a big-ass string to be EVALUATEd later on
17:18:50 <Sonarman> with gforth i can just compile postpones
17:19:06 <slava> with factor,
17:19:18 <slava> : quux [ parsed ] each ;
17:19:28 <slava> : bah [ foo bar 2 + ] quux ; parsing
17:20:08 <Sonarman> slava, you're so cruel
17:21:18 <Sonarman> but on the plus side, this also resulted in a cool bunch of words for building strings
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17:22:44 <Sonarman> with the gforth-only version of P[ :
17:23:01 <Sonarman> : foo P[ dup 2dup 1 + ]P ; immediate  ok
17:23:01 <Sonarman> see foo 
17:23:01 <Sonarman> : foo  
17:23:01 <Sonarman>   268600172 compile, 268600204 compile, 1 compile-literal 268599820 compile, ; immediate ok
17:23:05 <Sonarman> with the ANS version :
17:23:25 <Sonarman> : foo P[ dup 2dup 1 + ]P ; immediate  ok
17:23:25 <Sonarman> see foo 
17:23:25 <Sonarman> : foo  
17:23:25 <Sonarman>   s\" [ get-order 805518376 805518336 805518336 3 set-order ] dup 2dup 1 + [ set-order ] " evaluate ; immediate ok
17:24:05 <Sonarman> i have to preserve the search-order of when FOO was written
17:28:25 * futhin has no real idea what postpone, defer, etc are for, and whether or not they are necessary etc
17:28:34 <futhin> but i tend to say "what would chuck moore do?"
17:28:36 <futhin> :P
17:28:44 <slava> he would not have P[
17:28:47 <slava> and neither would I.
17:29:03 <futhin> sonarman is trying to make some string to be evaluated later on
17:29:12 <futhin> i suspect p[ isn't necessary for that
17:30:20 <futhin> Sonarman: pls tell me that p[ IS necessary :)
17:32:36 <futhin> i'm not a pro forther or anything
17:32:46 <futhin> i may be talking out of my ass
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17:35:24 <Sonarman> making a string to be evaluated later on is necessary for P[ (in a forth that only provides ANS words)
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17:35:45 <Sonarman> otherwise you could just compile compile
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17:35:59 <Sonarman> which is teh hella easiar
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17:37:30 <Sonarman> i moved the search-order preservation out of the evaluated string
17:38:20 <Sonarman> which makes things slightly chuckier
17:38:26 <Sonarman> but still not nice
17:38:39 <Sonarman> hahaha... chuckier is the best adjective ever
17:39:45 * Robert chuckles.
17:40:43 <futhin> Sonarman: i thought you were making P[ for the purpose of making a string to be evaluated later on?
17:41:05 <futhin> or are you making P[ for the heck of it and you require the ability to be able to evaluate a string later on?
17:41:05 <Sonarman> gah... circles
17:41:19 <Sonarman> P[ creates a string to be evaluated later on
17:41:26 <Sonarman> it's just a convenience word
17:41:45 <Sonarman> so that you don't have to type POSTPONE oever and over again
17:42:04 <Robert> Color! Color!
17:42:22 <Sonarman> POSTPONE mode!
17:42:39 <Sonarman> 2test
17:42:42 <Sonarman> 4whee
17:42:52 <Sonarman> 6omg liek mirc is teh best
17:43:28 <Sonarman> (sorry about all the crazyspeak; this room reeks of cleaning chemicals)
17:44:31 <futhin> 5,1test
17:44:43 <futhin> 5,1test
17:44:46 <futhin> oooh
17:46:09 <futhin> 11223344556677889900
17:46:13 <futhin> 112233445566778899
17:46:55 <futhin> 1one2two3three4four5five6six7seven8eight9nine0zero
17:48:02 <futhin> 0Hello World
17:48:21 <Robert> Heh.
17:48:22 <futhin> 5w 9@ fffffff0 and
17:48:26 <Sonarman> I440r_: he's distracted! now's your chance to take back the channel@
17:48:38 <futhin> 5ww 9unpack if emit ww; then space drop drop ;
17:49:06 <futhin> 5hw9 60 block dup w 1+ w ;
17:49:11 <futhin> 5hello
17:49:28 <futhin> world 9show black screen text hw keyboard ; 8hello world
17:49:32 <futhin> damn!
17:49:38 <futhin> 5world 9show black screen text hw keyboard ; 8hello world
17:49:56 <futhin> yay for spam in the guise of code ;)
17:52:01 <futhin> does it look alright to you guys?
17:52:16 <futhin> we shouldn't be afraid to use color for colorforth code :P
17:54:29 <Sonarman> the yellow-on-white is unreadable, but that's my problem, not yours
17:54:45 <futhin> ah heh
17:54:57 <futhin> i sort of figured your client would turn it to the inverse
17:55:58 <futhin> since i'm only doing ctrl-C 8  for yellow (for example)..  because i'm not doing 8,1 or 8,0  i'm not assigning a background color..  so the irc client should adapt to make it visible 
17:56:02 <futhin> i dunno
17:56:07 <futhin> :P
17:58:34 <Sonarman> 8,0test
17:58:36 <Sonarman> 8,1test
17:58:41 <Sonarman> oooh fun
18:05:28 <futhin> :)
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19:43:30 <futhin> i hereby call my colorforth + THE os implementation Flite
19:43:36 <futhin> let the logs record that
19:43:37 <futhin> mwahaha!
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21:26:19 <Herkamire> rrrrrrr
21:26:22 <Herkamire> anybody seen Hero?
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