00:00:00 --- log: started forth/04.10.14 00:00:03 yea. but then caeser forced his way in. :P 00:00:11 wait that was rome 00:00:29 so I guess there was some conqueroring of greece in there someplace. 00:01:07 well g'nite. 00:01:21 o/~ 00:07:54 my eyes get to burning 00:15:28 It's quite amazing how much power this WiFi transciever is using at full speed. 00:20:50 colorg, i'm having trouble finding the prompted audio on alt.politics. can you help me out? 00:21:27 Roedy Green was the OP 00:21:41 A Forth legend by the way, author of Abundance 00:22:12 you do not sleep either? 00:23:04 Not during election season running against a Bush, no 00:23:09 ah 00:23:25 i'm out of caffeinated liquids :( 00:23:32 colorg: Is there something I should know here? 00:23:35 ***PANIC*** 00:24:03 Baughn: If there was you would 00:24:21 colorg: I assume it isn't *you* running against a Bush, but the sentence is... ambiguous. 00:24:44 browse ftp://linux01.gwdg.de/pub/cLIeNUX/interim/platform2 00:25:48 * Baughn frowns 00:26:00 There's something seriously weird going on with internix today... 00:26:42 OrngeTide: `http://bush.carlcarter.com/ 00:36:58 hi there 00:41:58 oy 01:42:51 --- join: fridge (~Jim@CommSecureAustPtyLtd.sb1.optus.net.au) joined #forth 01:58:10 --- quit: mur_ (Remote closed the connection) 01:58:54 --- quit: wossname (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01:59:26 --- join: mur (~mur@uiah.fi) joined #forth 02:01:29 --- quit: tathi ("leaving") 02:17:25 --- join: mur_ (~mur@uiah.fi) joined #forth 02:18:59 --- quit: mur (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 02:25:44 --- quit: colorg (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 02:42:08 --- quit: tgunr (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02:44:17 --- join: tgunr (~davec@vsat-148-63-4-108.c001.g4.mrt.starband.net) joined #forth 03:15:25 --- quit: tgunr (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03:17:10 --- join: tgunr (~davec@vsat-148-63-4-108.c001.g4.mrt.starband.net) joined #forth 03:44:05 --- join: crc (crc@125-pool1.ras11.nynyc-t.alerondial.net) joined #forth 03:46:38 --- join: qFox (C00K13S@82-169-140-229-mx.xdsl.tiscali.nl) joined #forth 03:51:39 --- quit: mur_ (Remote closed the connection) 03:52:18 --- quit: tgunr (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03:53:37 --- join: mur (~mur@mgw2.uiah.fi) joined #forth 03:54:14 --- join: tgunr (~davec@vsat-148-63-4-108.c001.g4.mrt.starband.net) joined #forth 04:29:12 --- quit: qFox ("this quit is sponsored by somebody!") 04:41:34 --- join: qFox (C00K13S@82-169-140-229-mx.xdsl.tiscali.nl) joined #forth 04:41:38 --- quit: Hyrax ("IceChat - Stay K00L") 04:42:53 --- join: mur_ (~mur@mgw2.uiah.fi) joined #forth 04:53:45 --- quit: mur (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04:55:26 --- join: swsch (~stefan@p5091F7D0.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 05:02:04 --- quit: qFox ("this quit is sponsored by somebody!") 05:06:15 --- quit: swsch ("Leaving") 05:09:39 --- join: swsch (~stefan@p5091F7D0.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 05:22:02 * swsch wonders if this client is really working ... 05:22:33 swsch: why? 05:23:04 well, actually I'm at work and connecting via several security 05:23:11 systems to my home machine ... 05:23:22 never used irc on hte console before 05:23:40 Hehe. :) 05:23:40 ahh 05:24:00 I'm still trying to get an IRC connection from work 05:24:07 I just had a hard time reaching someone on the phone 05:24:08 I always run irssi in screen, so that I can SSH to my home computer. 05:24:12 (This will be resolved in late January when I start full-time at a new place of employment) 05:24:25 who promised to send me a mail first thing tomorrow. 05:24:41 not that he has the slightest idea on what my email adress is. 05:24:42 Robert: they block everything except https 05:25:14 * crc can browse the web through the bespin.org proxy, but IRC:CGI doesn't work through that 05:25:23 crc: :( 05:25:49 hehe, I have a special red network cable here, leading straight to a linux box I configured as internet gateway. 05:26:04 hacking my own security was not much of a challenge, I'm afraid 05:26:20 Rules are there to break. :) 05:26:21 hehe 05:26:50 no rule-breaking here, just testing whether snort detects this. 05:28:09 crc: I have refined my setup for generating web pages via retroforth before I went to work today. I'll post a message to the forum later on. 05:28:52 Are you interested in putting the stuff up on retroforth.org? 05:29:21 It's pretty much in flux, but each day gives a reusable word. 05:30:35 --- quit: crc (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 05:30:35 --- quit: [Forth] (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 05:30:35 --- quit: Serg_penguin (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 05:30:35 --- quit: Robert (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 05:30:35 --- quit: madwork__ (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 05:30:35 --- quit: I440r__ (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 05:31:35 --- join: crc (crc@125-pool1.ras11.nynyc-t.alerondial.net) joined #forth 05:31:35 --- join: [Forth] (mark4@216-110-82-59.gen.twtelecom.net) joined #forth 05:31:35 --- join: Robert (~pink@c-bf5a71d5.17-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined #forth 05:31:35 --- join: madwork__ (~madgarden@derby.metrics.com) joined #forth 05:31:35 --- join: I440r__ (mark4@216-110-82-59.gen.twtelecom.net) joined #forth 05:31:56 --- quit: madwork__ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05:32:56 --- quit: I440r__ (Excess Flood) 05:34:29 * swsch is afraid that the long msg he just typed fell into a crack 05:34:52 I didn't see any long message 05:35:23 I finished typing just before burroughs signed off its users ... sigh 05:35:41 crc: I have refined my setup for generating web pages via retroforth before 05:35:49 I went to work today. I'll post a message to the forum later on. 05:35:57 cool 05:36:03 * crc will watch for it 05:36:22 Are you interested in putting the stuff up on retroforth.org? 05:36:28 Yes 05:36:39 would fit into some application corner 05:36:59 still, a MAJOR problem remains: 05:37:07 what should it be called? 05:37:09 http://www.retroforth.org/dev/whatever_you_want :-) 05:37:18 ActiveRetroPages? 05:37:19 That I don't know 05:37:22 hah! 05:37:28 RetroActivePages 05:37:39 Hmm... 05:37:40 index.rap :-) 05:37:53 RetroWeb ? 05:38:24 much shorter ... won't sell in M$ world ... 05:38:33 but who cares. RetroWeb be it. 05:38:39 ok 05:39:27 * swsch kicks the other pc for not printing when it should 05:39:27 RetroWeb.NET Professional 2004 05:39:36 hehe 05:39:44 No .NET for me! 05:39:58 well, I'd have to use delta forth (the one for .net) with this name. 05:40:29 iirc, it compiles quite small executables, once you have .net installed. 05:40:40 then you could have an exe for each page 05:40:42 CLR executables? 05:40:44 cool 05:40:58 google for deltaforth and .net 05:41:06 Hmm, so it's not interactive? 05:41:16 take a look at the tucows story linked at the bottom. 05:41:30 http://www.retroforth.org/dev/RetroWeb 05:41:47 I'm not sure, I just tried it for two minutes. 05:41:51 I can give you ftp access to that directory if you want :-) 05:42:50 yes please, then I can finally make use of the packaging features of darcs :-) 05:44:14 * swsch goes hunting for a cup of coffee 05:44:20 brb 05:44:58 --- quit: [Forth] (Remote closed the connection) 05:47:59 --- join: Herkamire (~jason@h000094d30ba2.ne.client2.attbi.com) joined #forth 05:47:59 --- mode: ChanServ set +o Herkamire 05:48:37 Hi Herkamire 05:49:24 swsch: an email with the login information has been sent 05:49:58 hi all. be back in 90 min 05:50:04 * swsch actually had to pay for his own coffee 05:50:45 :-( 05:50:59 crc: thanks, I'll put things together tonight and post an announcement in the dev forum 05:51:06 * crc never pays for coffee, the company provides it 05:51:26 Of course I also work overnight, so it's a decent investment for them to make 05:53:58 I worked overnight, too. but it was for another client, so there is no obligation for them ... 05:54:35 --- quit: crc (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 05:54:35 --- quit: Robert (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 05:55:11 --- join: crc (crc@125-pool1.ras11.nynyc-t.alerondial.net) joined #forth 05:55:11 --- join: Robert (~pink@c-bf5a71d5.17-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined #forth 05:55:14 --- quit: fridge ("Leaving") 05:55:44 I hate these netsplits 05:55:48 crc: I just connected to the ftp server, am I in "my" directory? 05:55:59 You should be 05:56:01 hehe, this time I waited until you signed on again 05:56:15 Me too. Good 'morning' crc + swsch :) 05:56:21 Morning, Raystm2 05:56:26 tarzan stumbled for the second time, he must be getting old. 05:56:30 Good morning Robert 05:56:42 morning everybody, 05:56:48 however local time is 3pm :-) 05:56:52 Good morn Robert :) 05:56:56 he he 05:57:08 3pm here, but who says you can't turn that into morning? 05:57:39 08:02 here :) 05:57:47 Ouch, that's early. 05:57:49 --- quit: mur_ (Remote closed the connection) 05:58:07 so what's my afternoon gonna be like then ? 05:58:18 is it a good day ? 05:58:22 the second visitor on the RetroWeb demo site was from Germany, too. 05:58:27 And he came at 5 am 05:58:30 wow 05:58:37 that's sick :-) 05:59:10 --- join: mur (~mur@uiah.fi) joined #forth 05:59:32 not really. When I'm not working I'm online at 5am :-) 06:00:14 --- quit: oyd (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06:00:18 being up that early and getting up that early are two different things thou :) 06:00:33 I stay up most of the night :-) 06:00:51 * Raystm2 2 06:01:19 I tend to sleep one night a week, the rest of the time I sleep during the day 06:01:37 --- quit: I440r_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06:01:37 I have to get kids up for school, otherwise, I'm much like yourself. 06:01:42 I tend to sleep whenever my kids let me ... 06:01:51 My son is too young to go to school... 06:02:05 * crc will be able to sleep at night next year though 06:02:30 mine are all most done with school. crc: yea!. 06:03:10 note the difference between "all most done" and "almost done" :-) 06:03:27 :-) 06:03:46 I guess I ment all most almost done :) 06:04:38 ok, gotta switch back to the local network again. see ya, all 06:04:56 bye swsch :) 06:05:03 bye swsch 06:05:10 * swsch sadly removes the network conn... 06:05:14 --- quit: swsch ("Leaving") 06:05:37 dang nice person to lose in the conversation :) 06:05:56 yup 06:06:23 how about yourself. working on anything ? 06:06:35 Once I get IRC working from my workplace, I'll be online at 12am and 3am (GMT-5) 06:06:46 I'm working on RetroForth 7.5 right now 06:07:27 (online) okay, thats great! (RF7.5) okay, that's Awsome ! 06:07:37 awesome even 06:07:56 :-) 06:08:31 After 7.5 is finished (by the end of the month), I'll be taking a little break from developing RetroForth itself 06:08:42 * crc is ready to write some programs using RetroForth 06:09:12 And I'll be playing with the L4 microkernel so I can help with Forth/4 once that gets started 06:09:34 soon as I finish this colorForth editor tutorial, that's when I'll setup debian and get RF. cant wait. (programs ) excellent. ( L4) that's your and Samuel F? 06:09:43 Yup 06:10:01 Raystm2: what OS are you using now? 06:10:05 I think I witnessed that marriage. That was so cool. 06:10:09 I agree 06:10:12 winXp 06:10:16 This should be fun to work on 06:10:24 I agree 06:10:27 You can run RetroForth on WinXP 06:10:53 oh yeah! that's great too. maybe I'll short cut my plans then :) 06:11:26 http://www.retroforth.org/release/rf74-windows.tar.gz 06:11:29 :-) 06:11:31 thanx 06:11:34 np 06:11:47 going.... 06:12:12 I have a port of RetroForth for every OS I use on a semi-regular basis 06:12:42 (Except for PPC, which I use on occassion [thanks to herkamire]), but that has Herkforth which is very nice to use :-) 06:13:22 that's also great. Yes! also promised to try that too. Really can't wait. Still setting up new machine :) 06:14:14 * crc wants to get a PPC system someday 06:15:07 :) 06:19:47 for some reason my browser won't let me get too your site. I believe I need my dailly windows performance reboot :) 06:20:49 You have to reboot daily? 06:21:11 * crc only reboots once or twice a week when running XP 06:22:10 I'm sure I't my firewall . It's a free version and afterabout 30 hours it stops me from getting any html content. I don't know why yet. 06:22:22 brb 06:22:29 --- part: Raystm2 left #forth 06:28:37 --- join: Raystm2 (Rastm2@ACA9EA53.ipt.aol.com) joined #forth 06:28:47 welcome back :-) 06:28:51 thanx 06:29:01 going again .... 06:29:39 finally :) 06:30:14 I started reading all this a few days ago. absolutely fascinating :) 06:53:53 * crc wonders how to set up a mailing list... 07:03:49 --- quit: tgunr (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07:05:42 --- join: tgunr (~davec@vsat-148-63-4-108.c001.g4.mrt.starband.net) joined #forth 07:15:31 --- quit: tgunr (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 07:20:54 --- join: warp0b00 (~warpzero@dsl.103.mt.onewest.net) joined #forth 07:22:48 brb 07:23:04 --- quit: crc ("Time for bed... 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I overheard a conversation at work someone said "So you are lagged?" .. i was thinking. "she's ircing too?" .. no he meant jet-lagged. 10:25:57 Raystm2, binary might be easier. :) 10:26:25 it dumps in hex 10:27:46 I can see the bit patterns in hex, and I'm createing a chart from the chars.html page at CM's site. shouldn't be too hard with a little practice. 10:28:35 bored really ;) 10:30:20 yea. but it's hard to keep track of your place when you're forced to view the data on a 4-bit alignment. 10:33:53 and the encoding of capitals arn't included at the site. I guess a little trial and error error error will have to do it. not too scare. don't know why I need this particular skill :) 10:34:51 what's CMhuffman useful for? 10:36:15 well one of the optimizing techniques that CM uses in colorForth it to pack words as they are constructed on the command line. 10:36:52 oh okay. i was reading chars.html but i wasn't sure what it was eventually used for 10:37:02 as you type the word each letter converts to a CM version of Huffman encoded strings. 10:37:22 wasting cpu to save memory? 10:37:30 to make a correction in a word you have to retype the whole word . 10:38:14 --- quit: tgunr (Excess Flood) 10:38:27 ya I guess. not that it takes very long. the time wasted is during edit time and there is no appreciable lossage :) 10:39:33 other than having to retype the whole word? :) 10:40:18 --- join: tgunr (~davec@vsat-148-63-4-108.c001.g4.mrt.starband.net) joined #forth 10:41:40 I guess the great time loss is during 'show' when the display has task. then it has to unpack all the chars but your only talking about less than 1000 words per block, and most applications don't reach more than 4-5 blocks after factoring. 10:43:21 telling the diff between the words in hex and opcodes may be a challenge thou. :) 10:43:40 what if a dw opcode spells something nasty :) 10:44:40 DEADBEEF 10:45:05 oh you mean reading in opcodes as CMhuffman data? 10:45:09 that would be neat:) 10:45:19 --- quit: tgunr (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10:45:34 he he 10:47:05 --- join: tgunr (~davec@vsat-148-63-4-106.c001.g4.mrt.starband.net) joined #forth 10:48:09 --- join: futhin (thin@bespin.org) joined #forth 10:48:09 --- mode: ChanServ set +o futhin 10:48:38 the CMhuf for dum would be in hex c19a2000h provided the thing had no color token in the last 0. :) 10:48:39 --- quit: tgunr (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10:49:06 --- part: futhin left #forth 10:55:49 What's a good word for increasing the size of memory and ALLOTing by the increase amount... GROW? 10:57:27 --- join: tgunr (~davec@vsat-148-63-4-106.c001.g4.mrt.starband.net) joined #forth 10:57:28 viagra :) 10:57:42 :P 10:57:48 no ginko 10:57:58 ginko binloba 10:58:15 that's the brain end i believe where mem resides :) 10:58:27 iifc 10:58:30 iirc 10:58:45 been typing cf and the keyboards are very dif :) 10:59:34 viagra takes 45 or so minutes to grow your mem-ber and that's way too slow even for the elderly. 11:00:46 come to think of it madwork: I've seen grow used that way somewhere . :) 11:01:20 Heh. Well, I should probably just leave the ALLOT out of it. 11:01:53 --- join: qFox (C00K13S@82-169-140-229-mx.xdsl.tiscali.nl) joined #forth 11:01:56 do a two-step ? :) 11:02:40 --- quit: tgunr (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11:03:03 hm something fucked up big time here 11:03:27 --- join: Teratogen (leontopod@slashsnot.org) joined #forth 11:03:28 on my way home there was a continuous stream of firetrucks going 11:03:30 somewhere... 11:03:59 same direction as you ? 11:04:16 or opposite ? 11:04:35 did you blow up the office again ? :) 11:05:07 ehm it was going the same direction as me, but not to my house :p 11:05:10 i couldn't find this snippet of code for dynamic memory allocation written in ANS forth. 11:05:43 i wonder where it went. i thought it was on forthfreaks.net 11:06:35 qFox : he he 11:06:40 Ornge Tide : oh for madwork ? 11:07:09 yea 11:07:34 here it is. http://www.taygeta.com/fsl/library/dynmem.seq .. it was at taygeta 11:08:02 qFox: I was thinking your house first but I realized your prob'ly calling in form there :) 11:08:25 and unless you just happen to be saveing the computer ... 11:09:32 If it's a big enough fire you'll see it on the evening news. 11:09:51 --- join: tgunr (~davec@vsat-148-63-4-108.c001.g4.mrt.starband.net) joined #forth 11:10:02 http://www.taygeta.com/forth.html is always a good place to go if you need some forth :) 11:10:31 hi tgunr. 11:10:51 I guess so. no grow word there. just looks like it realocates into a larger chunk 11:10:57 lets see, if i were resquing my pc from a fire in my house, would i at such a point even bother to inform anyone online? especially a chatroom whom it doesnt immediatly concern? 11:11:41 I've never met you so that's my comment. I can't comment on your personal loggin habits :) 11:11:42 qFox, people do that. 11:11:54 he he 11:12:01 no way 11:12:10 well, ppl are stupid then. 11:12:11 i've been in channels where people go "oh shit. my desk is on fire!" 11:12:22 and everyone else is like "PUT IT OUT! PUT IT OUT!" 11:12:33 your desk on fire would not initiate 10 firetrucks 11:12:34 :p 11:12:44 might like one of us to call 911 while you save the money pics kids and wife :) 11:12:45 i have a UPS so sometimes I say. "hrm. the power's out. I suppose I should sign off" 11:12:47 probably not even one 11:13:02 Raystm2 in that order.. 11:13:11 --- quit: tgunr (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11:13:15 yeah me too . 11:13:19 he he 11:13:20 ha ha 11:13:23 bye tgunr 11:13:28 still laughing 11:13:57 no my wife just happend to be kissing me then as I was typeing . glad she didn't see what you said :) 11:14:09 I HAVE LOGS! 11:14:26 he he 11:14:37 google: +Raystm2 +wife 11:14:39 :p 11:14:43 i don't have any money :( 11:14:50 he he 11:15:14 in a minute or so it'll work! 11:15:37 why do i have to manually go to the update page in order to receive the xp update 11:15:54 the autoupdater is notifying me of a new update, but not downloading it :s 11:16:14 i'm on a slow 56k modem -- and even with out yours I've picket up two pages with that search 11:16:23 ut oh he he 11:16:25 :) 11:16:30 that's my bot at work :) 11:17:14 qFox autoresponder blocking bot by Raystm2. 11:17:27 get yours today :) 11:17:43 ehm, no thanks :) 11:18:51 --- join: wossname (~wossname@rn-v1w5a06.uwaterloo.ca) joined #forth 11:19:33 the last time that I used those words in this irs I was talking to a young forther living at home and bothered by mother .", that's selective hearing and important to a good marriage later. your mom is only teaching you how to have a good wife :), " 11:19:47 +irc dang 11:21:14 both quotes would be damageing and end in me being tickled into submission. I will pay anything to get them removed :) 11:23:02 --- quit: qFox (Read error: 232 (Connection reset by peer)) 11:26:30 --- join: tgunr (~davec@vsat-148-63-4-106.c001.g4.mrt.starband.net) joined #forth 11:28:04 --- join: qFox (C00K13S@82-169-140-229-mx.xdsl.tiscali.nl) joined #forth 11:29:29 --- quit: tgunr (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 11:30:55 i hate it when i realize about 2 seconds too late that i've just opened a virus 11:31:08 at that point was i unable to stop it so i hit hard reset 11:31:26 it was a little too late, but not far too late, so i got it contained now 11:31:28 --- join: tgunr (~davec@vsat-148-63-4-108.c001.g4.mrt.starband.net) joined #forth 11:31:29 fucking winzip 11:31:54 looks like you recovered well. 11:31:56 got a zipfile from somebody i know, somebody who's not a computernoob or anything, so i opened the winzip 11:32:00 file 11:32:01 in winzip 11:32:05 and quickly 11:32:07 it showed title.jpg 11:32:22 so i figured, .jpg, worst case scenario i'll look at gay pron 11:32:26 ah. shame. tell him. 11:32:39 i opened it, and THEN i noticed the "filetype" section, screensaver 11:32:41 right 11:32:53 oh yeah 11:33:05 as it turned out, winzip hides filename extensions even if your operating system doesnt. 11:33:15 (i dont hide known extensions) 11:33:25 good eye. 11:33:28 now all i gotta do is figure out wtf 193.108.89.9 is 11:33:40 i'm hoping its windows update 11:33:51 because i was running that as i suddenly shut down the computer... 11:34:19 I've never used it. currently useing a free version of 7zip the tightest compression without writeing it yourself. 11:34:19 --- quit: tgunr (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 11:35:07 old tailgunner there (tgunr) is haveing fun isn't he. 11:40:09 --- join: tgunr (~davec@vsat-148-63-4-108.c001.g4.mrt.starband.net) joined #forth 11:41:47 --- quit: tgunr (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 11:43:39 --- join: tgunr (~davec@vsat-148-63-4-108.c001.g4.mrt.starband.net) joined #forth 11:50:18 qFox, if you ran linux it would not haCve done that to you. :) 11:50:45 of course if you ran macos x you could get really screwed over because there is no difference in Finder between an application and a data file. 11:51:02 yes i could use a mac and have the same result. since the problem was caused by me acting too quickly i should only blame myself as the whole thing looked like a virus from the start 11:51:14 if macs ever become popular they are going to get ravaged by viruses 11:51:28 i dont think we have to worry about that ;) 11:51:45 qFox, well my mom would have done the same thing. i think most computer users are like my mom and that's why these zip file worms are all over 11:52:06 oh yeah sure, but thats no reason for me to switch :) 11:53:13 i don't run windows. a side effect of my general incompatibilty of popular software is that i'm also incompatible with "unpopular" software :) 11:53:40 not bothered with i 11:53:40 t 11:53:45 forth? 11:54:01 like i said, if it happens, its usually my own damn fault, or a risk i was willing to take 11:54:11 and when it happens, i can eradicate it myself 11:54:12 yea. 11:54:16 --- quit: tgunr (Read error: 232 (Connection reset by peer)) 11:54:28 since virii at this moment are useless copycatz 11:54:38 they all use the register 11:54:40 qFox : good quote for life . 11:54:43 they're all "hidden processes" 11:54:58 and they almost all use the windows or system32 directory 11:55:01 i still get those silly emails with a link to some fake site. where paypal or us bank want you to enter your credit card information again. 11:55:10 they virtually always use windows-like names 11:55:20 and they always show up first when looking for last created files :p 11:55:36 yeah i've seen a few of those 11:55:42 they can be quite good actually 11:55:47 i mean, realistic 11:56:05 --- join: tgunr (~davec@vsat-148-63-4-108.c001.g4.mrt.starband.net) joined #forth 11:56:10 oh errors that turn into bugs ? 11:56:22 or virii i mean 11:56:23 what do you mean? 11:56:37 that 11:56:42 ... 11:56:49 what was your question referring to 11:56:59 oh errors that turn into virii. 11:57:06 restated 11:57:08 ehm 11:57:11 --- join: colorg (r@core-dc-5-48.dynamic-dialup.coretel.net) joined #forth 11:57:28 OK 11:57:28 no i just mean that virii creators use windows-like filenames to "hide" the program 11:57:38 i like the "click yes to continue" dialogs that change your homepage too. :P 11:57:50 yeh, i never hit those though 11:57:55 yea. they will name it like explorer32.exe 11:58:13 i told my mom to always click No on things. :) 11:58:30 the "newest" (doing that for a while now) biatch on those are the "after you accept this agreement you'll get a system clock" thingies 11:58:48 ehhe. nice 11:58:51 and when you click no, a popup will scream "you MUST agree to this in order to download" 11:58:53 and it will come again 11:58:58 and this will repeat 5x 11:59:01 after which it will stop 11:59:02 :p 11:59:11 good reason to install Firefox. :P 11:59:12 <-- Lynx only 11:59:14 but its quite sneaky, cos if you hit yes, you'll be spywared to heck 11:59:38 nice 11:59:48 real nice 11:59:50 its common on those crack sites 11:59:57 --- quit: tgunr (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 12:00:00 w3m > links > lynx 12:00:03 i mean, "certain sites that i never visit" 12:00:03 :p 12:00:22 w3m lets you launch vi to edit the multi-line input boxes. 12:00:22 w3m must have improved in 5 years. 12:00:28 actually rarely do, but when i do i just know of the risks involved, hence i nnever go there 12:00:34 lynx hasn't changed in 10 years :P 12:00:44 It's poifect. 12:01:03 w3m and links both have weird hacks to display graphics too. it's amusing to try, but i always leave it turned off :) 12:01:07 lynx stinks. 12:01:24 tables are complete crap in lynx. 12:01:32 true 12:01:42 keybindings in lynx aren't nearly as usable as w3m either. 12:01:46 but they are better than links 12:02:07 They're fine. The arrow keys work. 12:02:15 my keyboard doesn't have arrow keys!! 12:02:17 * qFox coughs ultraedit. 12:02:22 uh, lol 12:02:26 get a keyboard. 12:02:32 i have two. 12:03:03 Well, I made it to QUIT in osimplay eforth, but then all hell breaks loose 12:03:13 and no arrowkeys? thats kinda... silly 12:03:16 Forth is dense. 12:03:20 even laptops have arrowkeys ;) 12:03:21 qFox, what do I need arrow keys for? 12:03:25 to 12:03:26 arrow 12:03:27 :p 12:03:30 hjkl work better 12:03:37 the closer you get to having it working, the more pointers you have to chase. 12:03:45 arrow keys make my hand hurt if I use them all day long at work to flip through code. 12:03:50 OrngeTide: for Lynx. 12:04:01 matter of taste i guess. i have no problems with it 12:04:18 on the other hand, having to work on a mac huts my ... everything 12:04:32 here's my keyboard. http://shop.store.yahoo.com/pfuca-store/ 12:04:36 colorg, but w3m is better:) 12:04:38 huts me too 12:04:48 qFox, I love my my ibook. 12:04:53 >:( 12:04:56 it has arrow keys too. but I don't use them 12:04:59 hut hutHUT 12:05:34 hm, OrngeTide, you'll have no problem with macs then i guess 12:05:52 their "ctrl" key is where the alt-key is on a windows board 12:05:59 no it's not. 12:06:06 is it? 12:06:07 oh wait 12:06:10 i don't remember. i remapped mine. 12:06:12 ctrl is where capslock is? 12:06:24 i juuust cant read it 12:06:25 usually remove the CAPLOCK key 12:06:38 is it caps or ctrl? 12:06:40 i remapped my ctrl to where capslock is. 12:06:41 under tab 12:06:44 -1s/^I 12:06:47 i would hate that 12:06:54 alt is in the right place when i compare it to my Sun keyboard. 12:06:59 since i cant comfortably hit the capslock key and keep typing 12:07:00 and to my happy hacker keyboard. 12:07:12 so is the extra meta key (command, diamond, windows, whatever) 12:07:14 where-as i can easily put my pinky on the ctrl and keep on typing 12:07:23 I want a kbd 20% larger than std 12:07:26 apple! you forgot apple key! :p 12:07:32 qFox, control absolutely must be next to A otherwise the keyboard sucks. 12:07:40 qFox, there is no apple key on a mac 12:07:48 you're thinking of an Apple][e 12:07:55 oh well i dont know. everybody keeps calling it the apple key 12:07:55 :( 12:08:05 i hate the mac keyboards, and mac mice 12:08:10 macs go: ctrl | alt/option | clover/command 12:08:12 (single button versions anyways) 12:08:17 oh clover? 12:08:19 3 buttons is the One True Rodent 12:08:22 everyone keeps calling it apple 12:08:24 heh 12:08:29 (in dutch anyways) 12:08:35 sounds stupid as well 12:08:40 it's called "command" in apple's specifications. so I go by that. 12:08:44 It might be an apple in Yorp 12:08:45 --- join: futhin (thin@bespin.org) joined #forth 12:08:52 fine, whatever gets your motor going 12:08:56 ehhe 12:08:57 it sux imo. 12:09:06 just cos i'm not used to it, i know 12:09:17 well windows has the same exact thing with the windows key. 12:09:19 but i would HATE it if my ctrl was my caps :( 12:09:22 windows-r lets you run something. 12:09:27 hey futhin. 12:09:35 the caps key is useless 12:09:43 like i hated it when the \ was next to my , and the enter did NOT have the small extension on the left-bottom 12:09:50 i kept hitting \ when i wanted to enter 12:09:56 stupid german keyboards 12:10:01 apple usues the key in place of control for things. so like cmd-tab cycles through windows. cmd-v pastes (instead of ctrl-v) 12:10:14 OrngeTide: these guys are all voting for me right? 12:10:18 the caps is usually useless, agreed, but its a suck position for control to be in 12:10:31 and emailing all thier buddies? 12:10:33 i know OrngeTide 12:10:38 its easy to hit caps 12:10:42 therefore easy to hit ctrl 12:10:47 apple defined all these keys back when bill gates was saying that nobody would want a multitasking OS. :P 12:10:48 but i wouldn't put ctrl there 12:10:57 who are you to be voteing for-- what-cha running from ? 12:11:03 colorg, no. i'm not voting for you. but i'll be your campaign manager :) 12:11:05 actually i want the ; key to be the space key 12:11:11 ; ?? 12:11:13 browse ftp://linux01.gwdg.de/pub/cLIeNUX/interim/platform2 12:11:15 heck no :) 12:11:16 and break the space bar into 3 buttons 12:11:20 and use them for something else 12:11:21 later 12:11:25 all that wasted space is silly 12:11:35 futhin, i want spacebar to be broken into two keys and one half be used for backspace. 12:11:36 that's why it is called the space bar 12:11:39 i dont really need any additional keys tbh 12:11:40 --- quit: colorg (" Vote for me and the White House was free") 12:11:54 OrngeTide: i want the ; key to be the space key.. easy to reach, on the homerow 12:11:54 i want a delete-bar. :) 12:11:54 you use it to open doors and find secrets 12:12:03 heh 12:12:06 delete bar! 12:12:08 also I like ESC next to 1. (where `~ is on PC keyboards) 12:12:13 yeah 12:12:14 :/ 12:12:16 stupid ~ 12:12:18 ~ is a great key 12:12:24 ~ should be elsewhere 12:12:25 nah, esc is easier to hit when you need to do it fast ;) 12:12:34 ~` is above my backspace key next to \ 12:12:43 ew 12:12:44 \ SHOULD NOT BE THERE 12:12:46 01,9904 01What do you they mean, Forth is "write-only?" 12:12:46 : eq.log 12:12:46 eq-log-name log-name ! 12:12:46 time dup $date log, $24time log, my.name log, 12:12:46 tester-id @ log, test-name @ log, 12:12:46 ~ = esc 12:12:46 evil evil evil 12:12:46 steps@ if step@ "/" $cat steps@ $cat else step@ then log, 12:12:48 $status log, last-error @ log, comment-text @ log 12:12:49 caps = ~ 12:12:50 crlf log 12:12:52 12:12:53 ~ = ~ 12:12:55 "" comment-text ! 12:12:56 madwork, wtf? 12:12:56 ;01,99 12:12:57 \ should be next to right shift, on the right side of it 12:13:05 OrngeTide, wtf indeed! 12:13:07 madwork: wtf, factor it up 12:13:09 --- join: tgunr (~davec@vsat-148-63-4-106.c001.g4.mrt.starband.net) joined #forth 12:13:20 futhin, why? 12:13:20 qFox, yea. i wish my keyboard had \ next to Z 12:13:24 z? 12:13:25 madwork: cuz this isn't C 12:13:25 dude.. 12:13:26 It's spitting out a CSV line. 12:13:27 thats left 12:13:28 :p 12:13:31 most pc keyboards put it on the far side of shift. that sucks 12:13:34 OK then, how would you do it? 12:13:40 the german keyboards have an extra key there 12:13:52 i think... yeah its the <>| key 12:13:59 qFox, i used to have an odd pc keyboard that had \ between Z and shift. it was great. 12:14:05 hm by the look of it its three keys in one :s 12:14:12 thats german 12:14:22 i had that for two weeks 12:14:34 (thought i bought a US keyb :( turned out to be german) 12:14:48 futhin, that code is essentially left->right file streaming. Spitting out the current test status into a logfile. 12:15:03 --- quit: tgunr (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 12:15:12 http://www.trust.com/products/product.htm?artnr=08680 12:15:13 thats mine 12:15:13 you could probably factor out the log, 12:15:23 and it is rox0r 12:15:30 and just have $date $24time my.name tester-id @ etc 12:15:48 dunno 12:15:49 although i never use the 3 extra buttons in the middle 12:15:53 but out of all layouts I hate Sun's the least. you can get a USB sun keyboard for about $50. http://www.memoryx.net/3201271.html .. make sure you get the UNIX 320-1271 and not the PC layout from sun. 12:16:07 and the upper-right extra key is unbound by default 12:16:15 qFox, don't german keyboards have Z and Q switched? 12:16:20 no, z and y 12:16:21 dead keys.. 12:16:32 i bought it on ebay 12:16:34 from a german dude 12:16:40 futhin, that seems like more work, actually. It's just data... would you do the same when compiling bytes? 12:16:43 but the cover was normal, US 12:16:44 : 0, 0 , ; 12:16:46 ? 12:17:00 when i received it and i was using it i was typing all messed up and it didnt feel right 12:17:06 at that point i noticed the differences 12:17:07 :p 12:17:11 japanese keyboards have a couple extra keys and a narrow space bar. (106 key) 12:17:28 i wonder how chinese folks do it 12:17:35 they have ~2500 chars :s 12:17:42 well you use an input system. 12:17:46 nothing but control codes! 12:17:56 alt+xxxx 12:17:58 but still, to do them all on one keyboard 12:18:10 X11 has a bunch of input extensions. it's tough to put into your applications because you need to make a little window for feedback of the input. 12:18:11 thats memmorizing a shitload of codes ;) 12:18:28 madwork: got a link to the code? 12:18:31 sequences of keys to walk through a dictionary and select the proper glyph 12:18:43 qFox, well they are organized by their shape. 12:19:24 like all the boxes are under one section. all the lines with lines through them in another. and if you have one with both boxes and lines you have another. etc. 12:20:02 hmm 12:20:07 that would be an interesting way to code forth 12:20:12 no wait, we already do that ;) 12:20:17 i dunno 12:20:31 brb 12:20:32 --- quit: qFox ("this quit is sponsored by somebody!") 12:20:40 qFox : they spell their glyphs just like you do . with symbols that create larger glyphs. 12:21:16 oops missed him, oh well :) 12:24:26 colorForth should be easy to port to an oriental lang. you just need all your blocks for the glyphs, that's all :) 12:26:07 I wish I could see a copy of Sean Pringle's 'Map'. 12:26:13 yeah 12:26:14 me too 12:26:17 lets hack him 12:26:28 he he 12:26:50 i think he should make programs into a 3d tree structure 12:26:55 futhin, no link to the code... it's internal. 12:26:56 so you've got branches etc 12:27:03 It would be rather easy to code 'Map' in visualPython. 12:27:05 and then some of the branches loop on themselves 12:27:23 right 12:29:01 --- join: ez4 (~ez4@pcp01518726pcs.reding01.pa.comcast.net) joined #forth 12:29:24 imagine coding a model of the universe in 3d 'Map' starting from quantum physics and ending with cosmology. you could have an oop with 'real' objects. 12:30:14 Uh, whatever you say there, God. 12:30:16 ;) 12:30:26 be like inventing the 'improbability drive' :) 12:30:30 god = graphics output display 12:30:42 oh you recognise my display 12:30:47 Gooey Object Display 12:33:22 madwork : did you get to see that link from Ornge about the malloc? 12:33:31 or dynamic malloc that is. 12:34:22 Raystm2, I took a peek, but I don't really want a dynamic ALLOCATE and FREE. 12:34:55 oh okay. what did you do instead? 12:35:08 I'm growing a contiguous data space. 12:36:39 --- join: qFox (C00K13S@82-169-140-229-mx.xdsl.tiscali.nl) joined #forth 12:39:31 who's the colorForth 'jump table' efficianato here? anyone? 12:40:14 ? 12:40:53 futhin : know about 'jump tables' in colorForth 12:41:16 --- join: madwork_ (~madgarden@derby.metrics.com) joined #forth 12:41:16 --- quit: madwork (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12:41:32 nope 12:42:31 thought I'd ask. I wanna move the 33 vars in c4thchess to a jumptable. :) 12:42:45 um 12:42:50 googleing :0 12:42:51 put the variables in the block 12:42:57 and jump to the block 12:43:06 just have specific offsets for each variable 12:43:25 * futhin is looking at some "hello world" colorforth code and they do it poorly :( 12:44:11 well, they are in the block with the pieces and work now as intended. but I think I can reduce this down. last time I said that it couldn't be done I cut it in half :) 12:44:32 futhin, paste poor code please. 12:44:49 yes please 12:45:02 http://kristopherjohnson.net/cgi-bin/twiki/view/Main/ColorForthHelloWorld 12:45:43 i recall seeing some other "hello world" colorforth code where it just prints out the "hello world" in the comments of the block 12:45:54 rather than manually putting down the chars for each word like that code does 12:46:16 i also recall that chuck moore says that the best way to do that sort of thing is to use the block to store text 12:46:29 i.e. print out the text that you have in the comments in the block for example 12:47:06 Simplest is usually best. 12:47:20 yup, their code is not the simplest 12:48:12 well, KJ's version here is a display of the words Hello world. and that was the point. it works just like the opening logo. 12:49:28 but I always write a chess for my helloworld, it's fun and it's useful to players. 12:51:16 I'm willing to bet that the factored down version of the chess that I wrote for colorForth just might be the 'tiniest' chess in the world . :) hoo hoo hoo he he he ha ha ha 12:52:24 Raystm2: what opening logo? 12:53:07 --- join: madwork__ (~madgarden@derby.metrics.com) joined #forth 12:53:07 --- quit: madwork_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12:53:25 you know, when you turn it on and you get the '3box blue green red screen' before you hit 'e' for edit. 12:53:34 that's logo 12:54:00 it's tipically on block 30 'Colors' 12:54:11 at the bottom 12:54:42 in fact 'empty' is defined by logo. 12:54:55 : empty empt logo ; 12:55:41 if you want to empty the dictionary with out changeing your display, use empt instead of empty. same thing really . 12:55:41 its just 3 boxes isn't it, no text right? 12:56:25 the text part is the words colorForth spelled out on blk 30 in hex-huffman. 12:56:57 the '5* ' word prints out the chars. 12:57:43 : 5* for 2emit next ; 12:58:36 2emit prints CMhuffam encoded words like 4 times larger than emit. 12:59:05 +CMhuffan. 12:59:15 still didn't get it doo 12:59:39 do you have a copy of block 30 there ? 13:00:58 --- quit: ez4 (Remote closed the connection) 13:01:15 oops the 5* def is : 5* 5 for 2emit next ; 13:03:42 logo is defined as 13:03:54 : logo show black screen 800 710 blue box 600 50 at 1024 620 red box 200 100 at 700 500 green box text cf keyboard ; 13:04:29 i got the copy of block 30 13:04:32 keyboard displays the current keyboard that you can redefine in your apps. 13:04:55 --- join: provocamper (~provocamp@67.106.39.10.ptr.us.xo.net) joined #forth 13:04:57 are you following this okay -- what do you need next :) ? 13:05:46 I can stick this in the c4th daily log later to help out friends getting started :0 13:06:40 the numbers in my 'logo' may differ from yours as i've played around with it some :) 13:06:50 not by much thou 13:08:11 whats the word to convert regular text itno huffman 13:08:53 for c4thchess I inserted a red work ( pr ) right behind the green 5 in ' 5* ' so that I wouldn't have to define a srcreen printer word. 13:09:42 oh the editor does that automatically. let me pull up the color.asm to check . 13:11:08 i can find it myself :P 13:11:41 okay :) 13:14:45 the mech works like -- when a word is typed on the command line , as each letter is typed, the key code is associated with the huffman for that letter and packed into 27 bits. if the work is longer then the 28th bit will be set to included the next dw. then the last four bits are ammended to the first dw. they contain the color and type. 13:15:43 the word unpack undoes all this to return the words to display 13:17:05 unpack therefore must be part of emit and 2emit, I assume. 13:21:05 --- quit: wossname (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13:31:52 --- join: swsch (~stefan@p5091F7D0.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 13:32:37 --- quit: swsch (Client Quit) 13:33:00 --- join: swsch (~stefan@p5091F7D0.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 13:35:02 --- quit: futhin ("bbl") 13:39:31 4 13:39:33 oops. 14:13:08 --- join: crc (crc@158-pool1.ras11.nynyc-t.alerondial.net) joined #forth 14:21:54 hi crc 14:22:00 hi swsch 14:22:13 which of the 4 views was you? :-) 14:22:21 I just saw the RetroWeb post a few minutes ago 14:24:12 very nice 14:24:43 * crc will have to roll most of your markup additions into RetroWiki now :-) 14:24:54 thanks ... It was *not* a lot of work :-) 14:25:09 not right now, please. 14:25:19 I'm not sure what will stay and what not. 14:25:24 ok 14:25:35 RetroWiki 2.0 has a while before it'll be done anyway 14:25:51 * crc is hoping to fix more security issues before releasing it 14:26:12 security, yeah, I took it out. 14:26:37 I actually needed half an hour to find why : didn't work ... 14:27:28 sorry about that 14:27:30 I *needed* to disable it in the wiki 14:28:01 of course. wiki's are potentially working in enemy territory 14:28:06 Yuo 14:28:08 Yup 14:28:19 do you think a sandbox would work? 14:28:35 Not sure yet, I'm still looking at the options 14:29:07 there is one for ruby at www.ruby.ch, iirc. you can paste almost any ruby code into a text field and the server survives :-) 14:29:29 I'll look into that in the morning 14:30:11 * crc has to go to work in about 30 minutes and doesn't want to get too busy hacking... 14:30:30 oh, if it's that time of day for you ;> 14:30:44 me, I'm soon going to bed ... 14:31:05 --- quit: qFox ("this quit is sponsored by somebody!") 14:31:42 I need to strike a balance between small words and less typing than pure HTML 14:31:49 then, maybe I don't. 14:32:39 I can switch between "just echo all of the text" and run it through forth, I guess. 14:32:56 this needs more thinking and some hours of sleep 14:33:00 :-) 14:35:51 I'm also considering a special stack for open tags, so that closing nested levels is simplified 14:37:22 * swsch nods off while thinking 14:37:32 :-) 14:37:40 * crc should go take a shower... 14:37:49 I'm just resting my eyes! 14:38:21 --- quit: swsch ("see ya in a few hours.") 14:38:43 --- quit: crc ("Time for bed... Goodnight!") 14:38:51 --- join: Sonarman (~matt@adsl-64-171-255-30.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) joined #forth 15:16:18 --- join: Raystm2- (Rastm2@AC8A5F8E.ipt.aol.com) joined #forth 15:16:18 --- quit: Raystm2 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15:17:18 --- join: Zymurgy (zymurgy@delgw.delfax.net) joined #forth 15:21:12 --- join: tathi (~josh@pcp02123722pcs.milfrd01.pa.comcast.net) joined #forth 15:40:55 --- join: Hyrax (~das@adsl-64-219-100-33.dsl.lgvwtx.swbell.net) joined #forth 15:42:18 hmm...we have some interesting nicknames here. :) 15:43:16 Yeah? 15:43:23 --- nick: Herkamir1 -> Herkamire 15:43:27 well, like yours :) 15:43:35 --- mode: ChanServ set +o Herkamire 15:43:39 ;) 15:43:44 and Zymurgy 15:43:52 fermentation and forth :) 15:44:59 fermentation? Forth has caused us to ferment? 15:45:15 so, which of the Hyracoidea (sp?) do you like best? :) 15:45:26 zymurgy is the chemistry of fermentation (brewing and so on) 15:45:31 --- join: Raystm2 (Rastm2@ACAAC906.ipt.aol.com) joined #forth 15:45:52 Ok, ok. Rock rabbits I guess. 15:46:13 only actively practice the art of consumption these days.. :) 15:46:26 Hyrax: it's an awesome word though. 15:46:34 I thought about using it as a nick at one point 15:46:50 how come dpans94 is always a ms word DOC file? 15:47:06 don't know. 15:47:06 awesome word? 15:47:14 I have a copy of it as text 15:47:33 Raystm2: "hyrax" 15:47:34 yea. i'm converting it to txt. but as far as I can tell ms word was the original format that it was released as. 15:47:39 huh. 15:47:53 Hmm... 15:48:07 i have a pdf of the spec I bought from ansi. that seems to be photo scans of the printout and it's like a 13M file that I can't read in a text-based pdf viewer. 15:48:12 well, thanks tathi :) 15:48:24 i got dpans 94 w/ win32forth 15:48:47 Hyrax: I'm a word buff, can you tell? :) 15:48:54 all entries linked 15:49:20 OrngeTide: that's very strange. 15:49:28 I just got my copy from forth.org 15:49:59 --- quit: Raystm2- (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 15:50:01 they have it as html, text, ps, pdf, and F-PC hypertext (whatever that is). 15:50:05 it's in gforth too isn't it? 15:50:10 tathi: that is cool. I looked up my initials, and Hyrax showed up as a synonym. So, I thought, ok, cool, I'll use that nick instead of my initials. 15:50:28 neat 15:51:07 I'd never heard of them before that. :) 15:52:35 tathi: as far as words go, a good English dictionary and thesaurus is very useful when writing Forth programs. 15:52:47 yup yup 15:53:02 actually, I'm usually just lazy and ask here :) 15:53:20 * Raystm2 thinks like tathi :) 15:53:22 someone usually has a good idea 15:53:36 like, what would a good word for such and such be, yeah, that would work in here. :) 15:54:05 someone earlier asked for a word that means to grow mem. viagra 15:54:26 ginko 'bit'loba 15:55:24 viagra didn't work cuz it took 45 min and that's too long even for the elderly. 15:56:13 --- join: skylan (~sjh@vickesh01-4738.tbaytel.net) joined #forth 16:02:01 OrngeTide: I didn't know there were text-based pdf viewers 16:35:45 --- quit: Raystm2 ("User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby") 16:45:44 * Hyrax just got another DSP board to get Forth running on... Arghh... This DSP WON'T be fun... Eh... 16:47:37 * Hyrax does not like the Instruction Set on this DSP... 16:48:34 I like TI DSPs though, but this is not a TI DSP 16:52:43 I've never used any DSPs 16:52:59 I read the manual on one of TI's once though...looked like fun 16:53:54 TI DSPs are cool. You don't need to pad the unused pipeline slots with NOPs. The pipeline freezes until the operation completes. 16:54:35 ah 16:54:36 This a motorola DSP. You have to pad the pipeline slots with NOPs, or else you'll get unpredictable results. 16:55:36 If you do a write to register, you have to wait till the fourth clock cycle to use that register as the source in another instruction. 16:56:08 If you can't find any other instructions to do in the mean time, you have to put 3 NOPs in the code, before you can do the next instruction. 16:57:37 so something like (names incorrect) add srcA, regB ; nop ; nop ; nop ; sub regB, dstC 16:58:17 if you do add srcA, regB ; sub regB, dstC it will subtract the old value of regB, from 3 cycles back. 16:59:21 At least that is way I understand it, and from looking at all the assembly code examples, that is how it works. 17:00:45 heh. 17:00:53 almost like programming chuck's forth chips! :) 17:02:23 Ehh... No command line assembler, or disassembler, only GUI tools. This is going to suck... I'll need to try to find some, or just jump straight into writing them. 17:02:58 Chucks forth chips? Are'nt they pretty simple? 17:03:58 you mean operationA, operationB, operationC won't necessarily happen in that order? 17:04:27 oh, sorry. 17:04:45 sounds like his custom fabricated chips had problems with overheating 17:05:02 so you had to put in nops to keep from overheating 17:05:11 and also to wait for results sometimes, I think. 17:05:24 I didn't really look into it that carefully 17:05:42 oh, ok, I see what you mean. He would never had intended for that to be the way it worked. 17:05:54 :) 17:06:27 This FreeScale DSP works that way by design. :) 17:06:54 --- quit: oyd (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17:07:26 Oh, cool, I found the command line tools... Hopelfully there will be a disassmbler here... 17:41:36 --- join: wossname (~wossname@rn-v1w5a06.uwaterloo.ca) joined #forth 17:53:48 --- quit: tathi ("bed") 17:56:57 --- join: hefner (~hefner1@linux2.gl.umbc.edu) joined #forth 18:27:13 hi hefner 18:27:44 hello slava 18:27:56 hefner, you might be interested in #concatenative, its a new channel we started 18:28:02 excellent 19:18:13 --- join: I440r_ (mark4@216-110-82-59.gen.twtelecom.net) joined #forth 19:20:53 --- join: colorg (r@core-dc-2-111.dynamic-dialup.coretel.net) joined #forth 19:34:46 --- join: NewUser (~NewBeOS@67-23-111-213.clspco.adelphia.net) joined #forth 19:35:15 --- quit: NewUser ("Vision[0.9.6-0203]: i've been blurred!") 19:46:36 --- join: NewUser (~NewBeOS@67-23-111-213.clspco.adelphia.net) joined #forth 19:59:27 --- join: NewBeOSUser (~NewBeOS@67-23-111-213.clspco.adelphia.net) joined #forth 20:01:31 --- quit: NewBeOSUser (Client Quit) 20:01:47 --- join: NewBeOSPPCUser (~NewBeOS@67-23-111-213.clspco.adelphia.net) joined #forth 20:03:13 I440r_ 20:04:44 hi 20:04:57 ih 20:05:22 I'm 100% convinced Bush had a stroke 20:07:57 when? 20:08:11 about 2 months ago 20:08:19 why? 20:09:22 His jaw wobble, various public actions, and the behavior of Viperspit in alt.politics, who I am convinced is Bush himself. See the Bush's stroke thread in alt.politics/Usenet 20:10:05 i doubt bush posts on usenet 20:10:17 Read some Viperspit 20:10:39 If Chuck Moore was in here would you be able to tell? 20:11:06 just Huffman-code the machine code 20:11:57 if so J.C. Watts needs to get on the ticket NOW 20:13:11 --- quit: NewUser (Read error: 238 (Connection timed out)) 20:15:26 I wouldn't be surprised at all if the Republican Party as it now exists collapses 20:15:37 from what? 20:15:54 it already did collapse 20:16:00 from being republican to being democrat 20:16:14 the democrats collapsed to. from being democrats to being communists 20:16:16 I440r who are you voting for 20:16:43 ive no idea. but if JC Watts was up i would vote for him in a hearbeat 20:17:32 my platform ftp://linux01.gwdg.de/pub/cLIeNUX/interim/platform2 20:19:27 --- join: wandelf (~Olorin@h228.40.40.69.ip.alltel.net) joined #forth 20:25:54 http://www.bettybowers.com/isbushgay.html 20:26:42 Is he kissing Cheney again? 20:31:05 --- quit: NewBeOSPPCUser ("Vision[0.9.6-0203]: i've been blurred!") 20:40:12 --- quit: wossname (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20:54:33 --- join: NewBeOSUser (~NewBeOS@67-23-111-213.clspco.adelphia.net) joined #forth 21:13:42 --- part: wandelf left #forth 21:16:52 --- quit: NewBeOSUser (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21:17:02 --- join: wossname (~wossname@rn-v1w5a06.uwaterloo.ca) joined #forth 21:29:50 --- join: NewBeOSUser (~NewBeOS@67-23-111-213.clspco.adelphia.net) joined #forth 21:31:29 --- quit: wossname (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 21:41:21 --- quit: NewBeOSUser ("Vision[0.9.6-0203]: i've been blurred!") 21:44:06 --- join: NewBeOSUser (~NewBeOS@67-23-111-213.clspco.adelphia.net) joined #forth 21:46:01 --- join: wossname (~wossname@rn-v1w5a06.uwaterloo.ca) joined #forth 21:51:30 --- quit: hefner ("zzz") 22:16:21 --- quit: NewBeOSUser ("Vision[0.9.6-0203]: i've been blurred!") 22:40:54 --- quit: Sonarman ("leaving") 22:53:03 --- quit: Herkamire ("leaving") 22:56:53 --- join: Serg_penguin (~Miranda@212.34.52.140) joined #forth 23:15:49 --- join: oyd (~Miranda@80.178.221.77.forward.012.net.il) joined #forth 23:33:04 --- quit: wossname (Read error: 238 (Connection timed out)) 23:40:28 --- join: wossname (~wossname@rn-v1w5a06.uwaterloo.ca) joined #forth 23:47:58 --- quit: slava (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23:55:44 --- quit: colorg ("ircII EPIC4pre2 cLIeNUX. Can you say that?") 23:58:03 hi ! what Forth has heap and 'malloc' ? 23:58:03 * Serg_penguin needs versatile, resizeable memory 23:58:13 also i need gzip 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/04.10.14