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00:09:32 <Robert> Privet, serg
00:10:40 <Serg_penguin> hi
00:10:50 <Serg_penguin> how's u'r ham radio ?
00:11:48 <Robert> Pretty fine
00:11:53 <Robert> Haven't used it in a while though
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00:12:13 <Robert> Just for a quick CW contact with a guy at school (where I am at right now, in fact)
00:12:18 <Robert> Hoi, qFox 
00:13:57 <qFox> hi
00:22:07 <qFox> there was a train accident here yesterday o_0
00:22:26 <qFox> passenger train crashed into a locomotive coming from the opposite direction
00:25:17 <Robert> Heh, ouch
00:25:26 <Robert> Were you in that train?
00:26:33 <qFox> no. i was one or two trains behind
00:26:46 <Robert> Oh
00:26:47 <qFox> (plus if it were my train i wouldve gotten out as it happened on the other side of the station ;)
00:27:03 <qFox> other side as from where i'm coming from that is
00:27:17 <qFox> oh here
00:27:19 <qFox> i have pics! :p
00:27:36 <qFox> for your dutch
00:27:36 <qFox> http://www.brandweerroosendaal.nl/archief/2004/september/30-09-04treinongevalroosendaalkade.htm
00:27:38 <qFox> ;)
00:27:55 <qFox> new word of the day, brandweer, means firemen\
00:27:56 <qFox> :)
00:28:04 <Robert> Whoa
00:28:12 <Robert> What a mix of Swedish and German
00:28:24 <Robert> brandman in Swedish
00:28:35 <Robert> And Feurwehr(sp?)
00:28:37 <Robert> You copycats!
00:28:50 <qFox> feurwehr?
00:28:52 <qFox> oh
00:28:54 <qFox> yeah
00:28:54 <qFox> :D
00:29:02 <Robert> feuerwehr
00:29:09 <qFox> i think dutch did at some point derive from german
00:29:18 <qFox> but heck if i care ;)
00:29:18 <Serg_penguin> heh, i expected more ;))
00:29:45 <Serg_penguin> wreck not even worth saving
00:29:51 <qFox> well the train was just coming out of the station
00:30:01 <qFox> so it was still accellerating
00:30:07 <qFox> hence it wasnt at full speed
00:30:21 <qFox> but it was at eh, high traffic hour, about 400 ppl in that train
00:30:56 <Robert> Ouch
00:31:19 <qFox> yeah
00:31:27 <qFox> about 30-50 wounded last time i heard
00:31:32 <Robert> Dad said a spårvagn (he's a driver, but not of that one) had collided with a cap the other day
00:31:44 <qFox> only a few serious (broken bones, head injuries)
00:31:50 <qFox> probably old folks
00:32:00 <Serg_penguin> so what the moron controll man allowed trains to head-on ?
00:32:11 <qFox> i have no clue. afaik this stuff is all automated
00:32:25 <qFox> by the look of the pictures he was just switching track
00:32:35 <qFox> so my guess would be that that switch should not have happened
00:32:43 * Serg_penguin never heard of trains head-on crash, only 'ass kiss' or sideways
00:33:05 <qFox> but i'm sure we'll get all those details.... in a year or so when they round up the investigation and nobody cares about it anymore
00:33:31 <qFox> well at first (when still in the train) we heard that train collided with a freight train
00:33:45 <qFox> if that were the case in the same way, my god those ppl would be screwed.
00:34:01 <qFox> (if you had any physics you should know)
00:34:18 <Robert> Hehe
00:34:30 <qFox> the train would have been bumped back into the station before that freightrain would be stopped
00:34:52 <qFox> the driver of the locomotive had to go the hospital btw, the other controller was "ok"
00:35:07 <Robert> I see
00:35:08 <qFox> (although it cant be a pretty sight to just see another train really heading up to you)
00:35:17 <Robert> Hah :D
00:35:26 <Robert> I assume not
00:35:32 <Robert> Almost as fun as seeing a jumper
00:35:33 <qFox> i'd probably piss my pants, knowing the consequenses of it all :)
00:36:05 <qFox> "huh, what" wait, i'm not supposed to swi... wtf, GET OUT OF MY WAY, MAKE IT STOP MAKE IT STOOOOOP!!!!"
00:36:06 <qFox> :p
00:36:25 <Robert> Consequences of colliding with a train? I wonder what that could be
00:36:49 <qFox> i mean that he probably knows what happens when two trains collide head-on
00:36:59 <Robert> Fun, fun, ufn.
00:37:00 <qFox> like, there's no
00:37:01 <qFox> hm
00:37:03 <Robert> er.
00:37:06 <Robert> fun*
00:37:19 <qFox> what do you call the area of a car that uhm, compacts on impact?
00:37:28 <Robert> No idea.
00:37:30 <qFox> to lower the power the drivers get
00:37:33 <qFox> on impact
00:37:53 <qFox> come on every car has it
00:37:56 <qFox> when the car crashes
00:38:16 <qFox> its length afterwards is less, that way the car doesnt instantly stop, but actually does move forward a little
00:38:31 <qFox> this causes the ppl in the car not to get the full force of the impact
00:38:58 <qFox> pure physics as well, same physics
00:39:06 <qFox> but as you can see in the pictures, a train doesnt have that
00:39:13 <qFox> it um, shrivles?
00:39:15 <qFox> a little
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00:39:33 <qFox> but thats nothing compared to the length, weight and speed combined
00:39:40 <qFox> plus nobody in that train has seatbelts
00:51:00 <Robert> Finally!
00:51:15 <Robert> I've been waiting for 2 hours just to tell the assistant that I did the task
00:51:19 <Robert> @£$#!
00:51:57 <Robert> Oh, well... See you later. :)
02:16:33 <Serg_penguin> how to save file in Lynx ?
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02:27:06 <Robert> Hi
02:27:16 <kc5tja> re
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02:30:20 <Robert> Whoa, these computers are so terribly slow.
02:31:27 <Robert> Semi-working terminals to underdimensioned servers.
02:31:48 <kc5tja> Underdimensioned?
02:32:35 <Robert> Is that even a word? I just converted a Swedish word to English.
02:32:49 <kc5tja> It is, but I don't think it's the right word to use in this context.
02:33:32 <Robert> OK, what I meant is that the servers are too small for the number of users and applications.
02:34:38 <kc5tja> Ahh.  Underspecified is one word that would work, but barely.  Overly burdened is a more accurate description.
02:35:49 <Robert> Thanks.
02:46:18 <kc5tja> You know, some day, I'll get the time to actually work on FTS/Forth again.  *sigh*
02:46:24 <kc5tja> This work thing is rather annoying.
02:46:41 <kc5tja> Although I do have to admit, now that I got my new ham radio antenna up, I want to do something on the radio too.  :-)
02:47:09 <Robert> Neat, what kind of antenna is it?
02:47:23 <kc5tja> You remember my loop antenna I put up about a year back?
02:47:36 <kc5tja> It fell down because one of the supports ripped.
02:47:40 <Robert> I was thinking about playing with PSK31 using an IR diode
02:47:48 <kc5tja> So I re-hung the antenna, this time as a folded dipole.  
02:47:52 <Robert> That 10m loop?
02:48:27 <kc5tja> It's actually much longer than 10m.  :)  It's actually closer to 18m in length.
02:48:33 <kc5tja> Well, 17m
02:48:37 <Robert> Ah, OK.
02:48:47 <kc5tja> Which explains why it's so good on the 20m band.
02:49:40 <kc5tja> The impedance of a folded dipole is in the 280 ohm range, which is really close to the 300 ohms I'm feeding it with.
02:49:48 <kc5tja> So the tuning characteristics of the antenna are *great*.
02:50:03 <kc5tja> Nice, wide tuning (except on the 80m band, where it's incredibly super sensitive).
02:50:48 <kc5tja> You know, you probably can get faster throughputs by using higher BPSK bit rates OR through trunking multiple PSK31 signals into the same AF channel.
02:51:58 <kc5tja> With 32 PSK31 signals packed into the AF passband, you can get 1000 bits per second throughput.  :)
02:52:07 <Robert> Hah
02:52:26 <Robert> Sounds kind of useless though.
02:53:12 <Robert> What would you use that kbps for?
02:54:02 <kc5tja> Higher speed data transfer with almost brick-wall spectral characteristics.
02:54:59 <kc5tja> Actually, you can probably pack the signals much closer together than 32 too.  My math suggests about 64 signals can be packed into a single AF passband, so you could conceivably get 2000 bps throughput.
02:55:13 <kc5tja> Hmmm...maybe that is the answer for higher-speed packet on the VHF frequencies.
02:55:30 <kc5tja> Just a bunch of well-defined, tightly controlled BPSK signals all driven in parallel.
02:55:48 <kc5tja> It's the basis for Orthogonal Frequency Domain Multiplexing, come to think of it.  (OFDM)
02:57:15 <Robert> The only experiment with digital modes I've done included a tape recorder and a microphone. ;)
02:57:51 <kc5tja> That's actually a great way to test it with.  The audio fidelity isn't very good that way, so it's a nice test of how well it works in a "noisy" environment.
02:58:56 <Robert> Yeah. Didn't work too well recording real signals through the microphone from the IC730.
02:59:05 <Robert> But from the tape recorder it worked.
03:00:36 <Robert> btw, do you know how well-suited those cheap laser pointers you can get are for abusing in experiments? I'm thinking about something like a 600Hz modulation for testing.
03:00:48 <Robert> I saw they sell those things for $10 these days.
03:01:19 <kc5tja> They're not very suitable, but many can be coaxed into modulation by modulating the battery supply current slightly.
03:03:05 <Robert> Will on-off keying at those frequencies work?
03:03:23 <kc5tja> I don't know -- it should.
03:07:06 <Serg_penguin> my friend made telephones out keychain lasers
03:07:38 <Serg_penguin> he used pulsewidth modulation and did not hit f margin
03:08:14 <kc5tja> It depends entirely on how fast the power supply filters are.
03:08:17 <Robert> Cool. :)
03:08:34 <kc5tja> Some pen lasers are better than others.
03:08:49 <Robert> Well, if it's too slow, I'll just decrease the frequency.
03:08:57 <kc5tja> I've seen one experiment that modulated a television signal (analog) right onto the laser beam by modulating the battery current delivered to the power supply.
03:09:05 <kc5tja> But that's about all the bandwidth it had.  :)
03:09:12 <Serg_penguin> pure AM of laser was poor, but weird FM/PWM was much better
03:10:07 <kc5tja> PWM isn't all that weird.  It actually makes perfect sense; it's the time-domain equivalent of AM.
03:10:44 <Serg_penguin> it was FM/PWM - length of hill was constant, length of pit was variable - so both frequency and fill coefficient did change
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03:11:18 <kc5tja> Oh, that is pulse position modulation.
03:11:25 <Serg_penguin> the signal could be detected either as AM or as FM
03:11:38 <Serg_penguin> aha
03:12:12 <kc5tja> That is also viable as a time-domain equivalent of AM, but as you indicate, it's also FM too.
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07:21:05 <kc5tja> Going home.
07:24:47 * Robert just returned
07:43:54 <ianp> Epesh; yes it's a deamon.
07:44:35 <qFox> NOOOOOOOOOO RUN FOR IT ITS A MONSTER!!!
07:44:40 <qFox> yikes!
07:59:43 <ianp> :)))))
07:59:45 <ianp> wrong window
07:59:50 <ianp> scary daemons 
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09:02:53 <futhin> why did t3h_ch1k3n cross the road?
09:05:13 <futhin> to code f0rth!
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09:11:43 <sch00l_ch1k3n> wb kc5tja
09:13:29 <futhin> 09:02 < futhin> why did t3h_ch1k3n cross the road?
09:13:29 <futhin> 09:05 < futhin> to code f0rth!
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09:13:32 <futhin> 09:11 < sch00l_ch1k3n> wb kc5tja
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09:20:15 <Robert> Heh.
09:24:43 <sch00l_ch1k3n> futhin: :) hi sexy man of the east
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09:27:56 <futhin> east?
09:36:14 <sch00l_ch1k3n> sexy man of the wherever the hell you're from bitch lets pair code tonight
09:37:55 <futhin> heh i got no computer for 8 days
09:37:59 <futhin> i'm just at the library
09:38:30 <futhin> and it closes at 5pm
09:38:38 <sch00l_ch1k3n> :/
09:38:39 <sch00l_ch1k3n> wtf
09:38:39 <sch00l_ch1k3n> why no computer:?
09:38:39 <futhin> i'm rather busy atm tho, looking for jobs etc
09:38:50 <futhin> cuz i left it in edmonton when i came down to calgary
09:38:54 <sch00l_ch1k3n> :/
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09:45:33 <sch00l_ch1k3n> futhin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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09:54:56 <futhin_> heh i had to make a script page so that it opens up multiple windows & putty, because the library setup doesn't allow you to right click or to ctrl-n
10:00:50 <sch00l_ch1k3n> hehe :)
10:01:01 <sch00l_ch1k3n> u r t3h h4x0r
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10:01:51 <thin> 3y3 4m a tru hax0r!
10:02:24 <thin> 3y3 h4v hax3d 4n isp!
10:06:16 * Robert tries to h4x this oscillator into an amplifier.
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10:10:55 <thin> robert: how about i hax my amplifer into an oscillator and fedex it to you (i'll hax fedex to do it for free)
10:11:47 <Robert> I'd prefer if you fedexed me a vacuum tube computer, but...
10:12:29 <thin> how did you know i had one lying around?
10:13:06 <Robert> I read your mind.
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13:00:05 <Robert> Hi TheBlueWizard 
13:01:58 <TheBlueWizard> Robert hiya
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14:18:33 <Robert> Hi, MINIX!-guy.
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14:32:13 <swsch> Any SwiftForthers out there?
14:32:21 <Robert> Sorry, not I.
14:33:25 <swsch> I must be doing something really stupid
14:33:35 <Robert> Hehe, what?
14:33:56 <swsch> I'm creating html snippets
14:34:01 <swsch> from a config file
14:34:12 <swsch> i.e. a readable forth file
14:34:24 <swsch> it works fine when run in the ide
14:34:46 <swsch> it raises an exception when deployed  into an exe
14:35:11 <swsch> perhaps some initialisation
14:35:15 <Robert> OK... I have no idea what would cause that, so sorry, can't help you.
14:35:36 <swsch> don't feel bad, it was a wild shot :-)
14:36:06 <swsch> maybe I'll just rewrite it in retroforth 
14:38:35 <Robert> Or...Fortran! Almost the same as Forth, some people seem to think.
14:38:47 <Robert> Just like Sweden and Switzerland is (almost) the same.
14:39:59 <swsch> Switzerland has mountains, Sweden has MySQL
14:40:17 <swsch> String handling in Fortran is not something I'm  looking forward to,
14:40:41 <swsch> so I'll wait for another expert's opinion on this one :-)
14:47:09 <Robert> They'll probanly wake up within a day or two.
14:48:49 <swsch> yeah, I've noticed already that sometimes people around here actually go to sleep
14:48:56 <swsch> at least they claim to do ...
14:53:17 <Robert> Nah, they pretend to be sleeping so that they can code Forth without people annoying them on IRC.
14:56:06 <swsch> well, if that's the case, then I'll be off coding some forth  ... bye
14:56:23 <Robert> :D
14:56:27 <Robert> Gute Nacht
14:57:36 <swsch> ok, ok, next time I'll look the alias up befor making jokes about Sweden ;>
14:58:45 <Robert> Hehe
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16:19:49 <slava> hi proteusguy 
16:20:13 <proteusguy> slava: howdy...
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17:22:38 <slava> hi Sonarman 
17:23:06 <Sonarman> hi :)
17:25:30 <t3h_ch1k3n> ihi
17:25:45 * TheBlueWizard helpfully eats a stray i
17:26:06 <t3h_ch1k3n> TheBlueWizard: thank you, i've been trying to catch that one for 3 days.
17:26:29 * slava pecks t3h_ch1k3n 
17:26:34 * slava makes chicken noises
17:26:48 * slava factors into a set of chicken nuggets, complete with honey mustard sauce
17:29:00 <slava> when i do JMP EAX, is the address in EAX relative to EIP at this point?
17:29:33 * TheBlueWizard wonders whether t3h_ch1k3n needs a training in pecking for food (e.g. i :)
17:29:54 <Sonarman> relative to the address of the next instruction, i think, which is in EIP, i guess
17:30:05 <slava> ok
17:30:40 <Sonarman> oh, wait
17:30:46 <Sonarman> i was thinking JMP IMMEDIATE
17:30:53 <Sonarman> i don't know about eax
17:31:08 <TheBlueWizard> JMP addr means load EIP with addr
17:31:37 <TheBlueWizard> so JMP EAX would mean EIP <== EAX
17:31:49 <Sonarman> i think that in JMP EAX EAX must be absolute
17:32:26 <slava> what do you guys think of this
17:32:31 <slava> most word names lowercase
17:32:42 <slava> assembler words & macros upper case
17:33:06 <TheBlueWizard> if you want to do a relative jump, you'll need to do a bit of coding...I can't think right away (my brain is dead tonight)
17:33:20 <slava> no absolute is better actually
17:34:03 <TheBlueWizard> :)    unless you want a relocatable code (w/o any fixup whatsoever)
17:34:45 <slava> TheBlueWizard, this is a dynamic compiler
17:35:15 <slava> TheBlueWizard, its simple and fast enough to run on startup
18:09:30 <TheBlueWizard> gotta go...all bye
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19:20:37 <das> swsch : I use SwiftForth, but mostly with SwiftX, so I don't really know about ide/exe running differences.
19:30:30 <slava> recompiling my interpreter with various optimizations resulted in a more than 2x increase on a graphics benchmark
19:31:03 <Sonarman> what kinds of optimizations?
19:31:30 <slava> -march=pentium4 -ffast-math -Os -fomit-frame-pointer
19:31:49 <Sonarman> oh, i thought you meant with optimizations in your compiler
19:32:00 <slava> no, i'm workign on those :)
19:32:04 <Sonarman> :)
19:32:09 <slava> made some progress today
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19:58:05 <madgarden> I'm addicted to stack strings.
19:58:49 <madgarden> Yes, it's true.
19:59:01 <hefner> is that a string pushed onto the stack?
19:59:46 <madgarden> Yea, but not character-by-character or anything. I've got an entire string as one item on the stack.
20:00:07 <hefner> is that different from having a pointer to the string on the stack?
20:00:21 <madgarden> In my case, yes.
20:00:36 <madgarden> Each string is its own chunk of memory.
20:00:49 <madgarden> If I dup it, I get a whole new chunk.
20:01:06 <madgarden> Then I can swap them around, concatentate them, pluck bits out of them, etc.
20:01:46 <hefner> is there logic wired into dup to make these kinds of objects work, or is there other magic involved?
20:02:59 <madgarden> Eh, well, in my case the logic is wired into dup. My Forth is more of a C scripting system.
20:04:47 <hefner> hmm, I should learn forth this weekend.
20:04:51 <hefner> "learn"
20:05:09 <madgarden> Do it. I have the most fun when programming in Forth.
20:05:27 <hefner> All the forth I know, ':' ';' dup swap drop over only gets me so far
20:05:36 <madgarden> It bends to my will, not the other way around.
20:05:46 <madgarden> Yes, much of the beauty is in extending the language.
21:29:36 <Herkamire> hefner: do you know much about attractors?
21:30:08 <Herkamire> I tried to make these: http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/~pbourke/fractals/peterdejong/
21:30:12 <Herkamire> with no luck
21:31:06 <Herkamire> not sure if my math isn't accurate enough, or what.
21:31:12 <Herkamire> or maybe I'm not doing it right
21:33:58 <Herkamire> I also tried these: http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/~pbourke/fractals/lyapunov/
21:34:28 <Herkamire> I _think_ it's saying that about 98% of the random coordinates give good pictures, but maybe not.
21:34:48 <Herkamire> anyway, I looked at about 50 and didn't see any
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21:58:47 <Herkamire> hefner: now all you need to learn is: + - * / @ ! variable create allot
21:59:17 <Herkamire> oh, And i/o would be good too: key emit
21:59:19 <Herkamire> .
22:03:55 <swsch> herkamire: nice pics, could you give some details on your implementation?
22:05:15 <Herkamire> swsch: sure, but my implementation doesn't work
22:06:42 <Herkamire> http://jason.herkamire.com/svn/herkforth/blocks/188
22:06:42 <swsch> I was thinking more along the lines of:
22:06:57 <swsch> ah yes: forth implementation :-)
22:07:24 <swsch> herkforth ... it's on the Mac, isn't it?
22:07:44 <Herkamire> yep
22:07:46 <Herkamire> under linux
22:08:33 <Herkamire> I just recently got it to boot under OpenFirmware, but it can't save there yet, so it's useless.
22:09:10 <swsch> still cool. let me take a look at the formulas
22:09:33 <Herkamire> it also runs on other linux architectures with qemu
22:10:03 <Herkamire> but turning off line-buffered input doesn't work.
22:10:10 <Herkamire> So you'd have to get that off yourself
22:11:15 <Herkamire> hmm... I used to have a program to do that.
22:12:17 <Herkamire> nice :) found it
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22:13:02 <swsch> qemu?
22:13:09 <Herkamire> swsch: qemu is an emulator
22:13:30 <swsch> thought so :-)
22:13:41 <Herkamire> it'll run linux programs compiled for other architectures
22:14:01 <Herkamire> and it'll emulate complete OSes
22:14:11 <Herkamire> but support for PPC OSes is incomplete
22:15:20 <Herkamire> I think I'll put together a little package with a herkforth binary, the set-term and restore-term programs, and a script to set up the terminal, and run qemu in the emulator, then restore the terminal
22:15:21 <swsch> hopefully I won't need to run Mac OSX 10.4 to get herkforth :-)
22:15:36 <Herkamire> swsch: huh?
22:15:47 <swsch> ok, the code block itself looks good.
22:15:49 <Herkamire> herkforth doesn't work in macos
22:16:07 <swsch> oh, sorry. I'm not yet fully awake ...
22:16:17 <swsch> ignore all stupid things I'm saying.
22:16:21 <Herkamire> herkforth runs under linux
22:16:34 <swsch> the code block is good. 
22:16:46 <swsch> how is your sin implementation? what's your precision?
22:16:54 <Herkamire> 16.16
22:17:16 <swsch> ?
22:17:17 <Herkamire> http://jason.herkamire.com/svn/herkforth/blocks/184
22:17:25 <Herkamire> 16 bits on each side of the decimal point
22:17:45 <Herkamire> I did some pretty thorough tests on my sin()
22:18:37 <swsch> that's about 15 bit too much on the left
22:18:43 <Herkamire> it should be accurate to within 0x0000.0002
22:19:12 <swsch> as you're running *many* iterations that might not be enough
22:19:26 <Herkamire> I'm usually seeing abouth 3 iterations
22:19:30 <swsch> can you compare your numbers to some floating point numbers?
22:20:15 <Herkamire> like spit out a table?
22:20:26 <swsch> yessss
22:20:32 <Herkamire> I suppose
22:21:08 <swsch> if i read 0x0.0002 correctly that would be 1/32767 or about 0.0003
22:21:51 <swsch> which is to coarse for these iterative processes.
22:22:11 <Herkamire> yeah, I expected it to look worse
22:22:27 <Herkamire> but I'm not getting the chaos at all.
22:22:36 <Herkamire> it just gets sucked into two points and bips back and forth
22:23:10 <Herkamire> I realize 14 bits of accuracy isn't all that much, but it should be enough for it to wiz around a bit
22:23:44 <Herkamire> it's plenty for mandelbrot (without zooming)
22:25:23 <swsch> two points ... that's not much
22:26:20 <Herkamire> iirc it sorta spiraled into the two points
22:26:45 <Herkamire> but I couldn't see any relation between the locations of those two points, and the image in the URL I posted above
22:27:34 <Herkamire> I guess I'll have to code something in FP in C to see if I'm even doing the right thing
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22:34:58 <swsch> sorry ... got distracted reading your website :-)
22:35:51 <swsch> IIRC you need quite a few runs to really see patterns emerging
22:36:19 <swsch> and once you have that many runs, I guess the lack of precision shows.
22:36:51 <Herkamire> sounds reasonable
22:37:02 <swsch> Can't you shift the 15 unneeded bits to the right of the decimal point?
22:37:16 <Herkamire> I suppose
22:37:27 <Herkamire> I think the numbers in that one range from 2..-2
22:37:34 <Herkamire> dishes. brb
23:11:58 <Herkamire> maaan that was a lot of dishes
23:12:07 <Herkamire> my fingers are all pruney
23:13:25 <Herkamire> how many bits of accuracy does normal floating point have?
23:14:54 <Herkamire> something like 10 bits for the exponent, and 22 for significant digits?
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