00:00:00 --- log: started forth/04.09.25 00:13:55 Back 00:15:20 Regarding the bulbs issue: LEDs are actually not any more efficient than flourescent lights. They both are about 20% efficient in conversion efficiency. Therefore, there is no compelling reason to invest in LED lighting unless you want *spot* lighting. THEN LED lights makes sense. 00:16:02 It just seems that LED lights have much brighter bulbs at less energy use 00:16:15 Because the light is focused into a distinct beam. 00:16:27 If you're looking for area lighting, flourescents are better. 00:16:37 Ok 00:16:39 But if you're looking for spot-lighting, LEDs are superior. 00:17:22 Is it possible to have a light that uses 1W lighting an area like a 60W light bulb (this is physics and possibilities) 00:17:26 The datasheets of most LEDs indicates a beam width of something like 20 degrees (interestingly enough). I've seen some with as wide as 35 degrees, but still, it's not a whole lot. :) 00:17:40 100 degrees I saw 00:18:04 --- part: hefner left #forth 00:18:15 I've never seen a 100-degree LED (note, I'm talking about the actual physical electronic, 2-pin component -- not a complete fixture. An integrated fixture might have a diffuser on it that spreads the light out a bit) 00:18:29 jdrake: re: 1W vs 60W -- are you asking a theoretical question here? 00:19:10 yes 00:19:34 jdrake: Because if so, the answer is no, but you're close. :) A 60W incadescent is only 4% efficient at converting electricity to light. Therefore, you're only getting 2.4W of actual light output. You'd need 2.5W of a theoretically perfect light source to compare. 00:19:56 Well, 2.4W of theoretically perfect. 00:21:44 So then, A fluorescent 15W equivalent to 60W be 16% efficient? 00:22:02 I am going on a possible flawed calculation 00:22:51 As a general rule of thumb, flourescents are roughly 20% efficient. 00:23:16 So a 12W to 15W flourescent can be expected to produce as much light as a 60W incadescent bulb. 00:23:45 * kc5tja has a 20W bulb in his 60W-rated lamp right now that provides enough light to illuminate the whole room quite comfortably, even with the lamp shade on. :-) 00:23:46 That seems like there is a curve on that efficiency 00:24:16 I think it is linear, just like it is for incadescents. 00:24:36 I replaced my old incandescent lamp light bulb with a flourescent 00:24:39 it was too bright 00:24:39 Are there any light bulbs that can go between 4 to 10 W for the same amount of light 00:24:45 but the replacement was just as bright 00:24:47 if not more so 00:24:52 jdrake: No. 00:24:54 even though it was something like 7W 00:25:04 was replacing a 40W 00:25:07 incandescent 00:25:22 What efficiency does Halogen have? 00:25:39 I notice my Halogen light fixture (150W) gives off an ungodly amount of heat 00:26:04 brb -- noc phone 00:27:29 Our backup server is having issues. 00:27:35 Otherwise, let me check re: those bulbs. 00:28:51 It seems most lights which make use of halogens and throw off gratuitous quantities of heat tend to be 300 to 500W bulbs, according to http://www.consumerenergycenter.org/homeandwork/homes/inside/lighting/bulbs.html#Halogen 00:32:46 merci 00:33:36 Well, it seems that some halogens can be as inefficient as 13%, and others can be as efficient as 19%. 00:35:12 So I guess it depends on the specific bulb in question. 00:36:11 the small GU10 bulbs (50W) 00:36:20 that is about all I know of them 00:36:40 Because there are 3, that is probably why there is a lot of heat 00:36:49 * kc5tja has a strong desire to move his flourescent out of his lamp and into the ceiling socket (no bulb currently exists there), and then replace his lamp with a home-made LED lamp for reading in bed. 00:37:16 Well, 3 * 50W is 150W. :) 00:37:25 compact fluorescent bulb? 00:37:26 And only (max) 20% of that is used for light. 00:38:05 IF you do get the bulb into your ceiling please let me know because I have never seen one fit in one 00:38:12 Yes, I'm planning on moving my 20W flourescent bulb into the ceiling fixture, and replacing the desk lamp with an LED lamp of my own design. 00:38:19 because the base is wider where a regular bulb is 00:38:20 Huh? 00:38:26 Mine fits in any normal light socket. 00:38:32 That isn't the issue 00:38:40 the socket is the same 00:38:46 It is the part just above 00:38:49 Oh, mine will fit. 00:39:03 the CFB bulbs come out like a U shape 00:39:11 flourescent bulbs fit into my ceiling & lamp 00:39:20 without any issues 00:39:21 a regular bulb goes up more like a Y 00:39:38 If you have done it, then great :-) 00:39:39 Right. It depends on your light fixture. 00:39:42 better luck than I had 00:39:52 In my case, I won't have any problems. 00:39:55 well anyways, I have to go 00:40:01 okies. 00:40:01 sleepy 00:40:04 getting way too late 00:40:10 thank you for the information 00:40:11 jdrake: If you want, I can post a URL to a good document on energy conservation 00:40:16 sure 00:41:03 http://www.mysticone.com/SavingEnergy.pdf 00:41:17 a big one 00:41:21 thank you 00:41:27 i will look at it tomorrow 00:41:30 Yeah, but it is a great read. :) 00:41:31 hm, i really expected to see a lightbulbjoke here by now ;) 00:41:53 qFox, how many forth programmers does it take to screw in a light bulb 00:42:01 thank you. 00:42:14 qFox: many, but they all have very short names 00:42:18 any answer must use the stack 00:42:24 :) 00:59:26 hi 01:06:12 None -- we swap them instead. 01:20:06 ok. i'm looking for a picture of a reporter around the '50s 01:21:53 press, photagrapher, newsreporter, whatever. those typical guys around that time 01:21:53 specifically the hats and cloths they wore (when outside, bugging ppl, if you know what i mean) 01:21:53 whether real or images from movies doesnt matter 01:21:53 but google is giving me squat 01:21:53 yeh, http://www.punchstock.com/stock_photography/artville/1589840/image_TWK041.html 01:21:53 not quite what i had in mind ;) 01:23:47 Hmm...dunno. 01:30:19 perhaps i should dig up some godfather movie, or something 01:31:09 there should really be a search engine to search for images 01:31:41 and there should also be a type of searchengine where you can feed it a picture, and it will look for similar pictures, or related sites 01:31:54 but thats probably wishfull thinking for the next... o say 10 years or so 01:45:16 ACtually, wavelets can provide a similar capability. 01:45:32 Hey, there you go. Maybe I should start a Google-like search engine based on wavelet image comparisons. :) 01:55:04 go for it 02:12:22 Hey, it is still only a research topic, and it'll doubtlessly involve lots of patents. That's something I don't have the resources to persue at this time. 02:12:29 Maybe if my kti business takes off, I might consider going into that field. 02:12:34 And you can bet it'll be run off of Forth. :) 02:26:36 warpzero: WHAT? 02:27:48 kc5tja: Actually I bought them (most of them overpriced, since it was at the local electronics store). One STK500 kit, it came with 8515 and Mega163. I also bought a few 2313s from Futurlec to test the smaller models. 02:28:06 kc5tja: I know a guy who ordered samples, and it took quite a while for him to get them. 02:28:24 kc5tja: Maybe you're in a more strategic location than the Swedish woods, however. :) 02:30:02 hehe 02:30:47 the wall was ok; there was a bit much disco influence tho... I liked wish you were here, animals and dark side of the moon among a few other 02:30:48 s 02:31:13 The Wall? Disco? Are you crazy? 02:31:28 People have committed suicide over the Wall because it's so damn depressing. 02:32:21 Personally I find "Time" a bit more depressing than The Wall. 02:33:05 oh man, when I was working for Cap'n Crunchware ^W Software, one night they played that record over and over again... they didn't have to stop dancing, cause the whole thing was the same tempo 02:33:43 And after listening through their earlier albums, I could conclude that everything before (and including) The Wall is good. 02:34:10 I want to hear their really early stuff (meaning before Dark Side) 02:34:22 Hehe. 02:34:23 jim: It's dark and feral. 02:34:48 Although Syd's stuff is more childish and simple, but still definitely hallucinogenic. 02:35:02 jim: Just ask if you'd happen to be interested in mp3s. 02:35:35 I do as a matter of fact. Not with me now, obviously since I'm at work. 02:35:50 But I do have a few MP3s of their earlier stuff. Not their whole collection mind you. 02:36:29 I got tons of early concerts etc. from a friend, and I also have all the album. 02:36:31 albums* 02:36:32 anyone going to the svfig? 02:36:53 [of course legally copied from LPs. Hello, log reader!] 02:38:19 I never said I'd distribute them. 02:38:21 :) 02:38:24 I just said I *had* them. 02:38:32 Actually, they're not MP3s either. They're Ogg Vorbis files. 02:38:41 .ogg files actually ended up being smaller. 02:39:07 Oh, I thought you were _asking_ for them. 02:44:23 lol Robert :p 02:44:40 * qFox waves at logreaders too 02:48:47 No, not me. 02:48:48 I *have* them. 02:48:58 I recorded them from my PF discs. :) 02:49:03 Yes, discs that *I* own. :) 02:51:19 Have a Cigar was a pretty cool tune 02:52:24 Shine On, Welcome to the Machine, Have a Cigar, Wish you were here, Shine on Part 6+. That's the way god intended it to be listened. :) 02:53:20 speaking of records that have good listening order, Trick of the Tail by Genesis was a good one 02:53:56 HEY! I thought I was the only one who liked Genesis here!!! 02:53:59 WOOHOO! 02:54:08 and Gentle Giant too 02:54:16 Never heard of them. 02:54:22 UK only band perhaps? 02:54:28 possibley 02:55:02 what about a folky/rocky/sortafusiony french band called Gong? 02:55:16 hmm, actually not so sure they were french 02:55:37 qFox: Hi :) 02:55:48 kc5tja: Actually my parents own most of their LPs 02:55:48 they definitely have a hippydippy vibe going too 02:56:02 kc5tja: But there are a few they don't have, and also live recordings etc. 03:41:33 --- nick: jim -> jim- 03:58:42 --- join: crc (crc@76-pool1.ras11.nynyc-t.alerondial.net) joined #forth 04:03:11 facilities monitoring -- back in about 30 minutes. Or so. 04:04:38 --- quit: mur_ (Remote closed the connection) 04:05:40 --- join: mur (~mur@kyberias.uiah.fi) joined #forth 04:20:31 --- join: mur_ (~mur@uiah.fi) joined #forth 04:31:41 --- quit: mur (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04:33:35 back 04:35:36 Hi :) 04:36:00 * kc5tja is studying the ATmega8 data book. 04:36:19 I think the 4096 words of program memory in the 8515 chip will be enough for lots of programs. 04:37:07 I just wish they made a model that had 4K of flash and 4K of RAM-based program memory (e.g., RAM that looked like Flash as far as the software was concerned, or something) 04:37:07 291 words used in the 500 lines of I/O code dealing with DataFlash and EEPROM and UART. 04:37:24 Yeah, that would have been cool. 04:37:42 4k words of RAM code memory would be SO neat 04:40:53 Is 291 words good or bad? 04:41:28 I think it's pretty code. 04:41:29 er 04:41:30 good 04:41:47 Considering it's quite a lot of code. 04:42:05 Heh 04:42:12 Sounds like half of your code is comments though. :) 04:42:14 Caching of DataFlash, reading, writing, etc. 04:42:18 Sure. 04:42:47 291 instructions, 291 words. 04:44:20 That doesn't sound that bad at all. 04:44:50 Nope. I think I'll get everything I planned to fit. 04:45:04 Which is an editor, a Forth compiler and a VM for the user programs. 04:45:09 And possibly some other things. 04:52:39 Neat. The compiler compiles to native AVR opcodes? 04:52:47 Also, how wide is the data stack -- 16 bits? 04:53:30 I plan to make it 16-bit, yes. And what compiler are you refering to? 04:54:35 Your Forth compiler for it. 04:54:58 * Robert is thinking about if it's a good idea to play with multitasking. 04:55:02 Oh 04:55:08 No, I'll make it produce bytecode. 04:55:35 I use assembly languages for the ROM software. 04:56:21 I see, so the bytecode gets placed in RAM then. 04:56:23 Gotcha. 04:56:43 Actually that's one thing I'm not so sure about. 04:57:33 I'm thinking about having "modules", where one module is a 256-byte DataFlash page, since one of those can be loaded into RAM (or possibly the DataFlash internal SRAM buffers) and executed from there. 04:57:54 The penalty for calling another module would then be ~200us or something. 04:59:25 Which isn't too bad, that corresponds to something like 20 bytecode instructions. 04:59:40 * kc5tja nods 05:00:30 My ForthStamp idea (note: ForthStamp will not be its official name) will fetch data from externally addressed RAM rather than internal to the chip. 05:01:59 That's probably a better idea, but my STK500 doesn't have any external SRAM connected to it. 05:02:08 * kc5tja nods 05:02:14 There are advantages and disadvantages to each approach. 05:03:21 One thing I'm considering is NOT staring raw ASCII Forth code, but always working with compiled bytecode and disassembling it in the editor. 05:03:38 But I don't know if it's worth the trouble. 05:05:46 Do you have any suggestions on how to organize the storage? What I got is 1024 of these 256 (well, 264 actually) byte pages. 05:07:35 Perhaps 256-byte source blocks is enough. Then I can just have a flat 16kB or something data area for the user dictionary. 05:08:04 --- nick: jim- -> jim 05:10:30 I really don't know. 05:10:36 You have 256KB of EEPROM? 05:10:38 Impressive. 05:14:35 No, no 05:14:50 256kB of DataFlash. The internal EEPROM is just 512 bytes. 05:15:04 DataFlash is what? 05:15:26 That's an I2C chip? (Serial EEPROM-like thing?) 05:15:31 SPI 05:15:36 SPI -- close enough. :) 05:15:52 Hehe, yeah. But a bit faster, isn't it? 05:16:05 No idea. I don't know the technical merits of SPI versus I2C. 05:17:03 I have some I2C EEPROMs though (yay for Microchip samples), so I was thinking about constructing a "light" version of this using a PIC some day. 05:17:26 But the laziness factor of using AVR, and the STK500... too hard to resist. 05:21:02 Yeah. I'm not sure I want to invest in an STK500 though. 05:21:08 What actually IS an STK500? 05:23:03 Development board with programmer, some I/O (RS232 port, buttons, LEDs, connectors to the I/O pins if you want to play with external devices), DataFlash, and a couple of AVRs. 05:23:18 www.avrfreaks.net is THE place for this kind of info, btw, 05:24:19 How much is it? 05:24:28 It seems like way, way overkill for my needs. 05:25:01 * kc5tja is reading up on the BasicStamp website now -- know thy enemy. :) 05:26:51 kill kill kill! 05:29:13 kc5tja: Sure, but... it's a fun toy! :) 05:29:21 kc5tja: I think I gave $150 for it. :/ 05:30:02 I checked the BASIC Stamp a while ago, and I'm amazed they can sell that piece of junk. 05:30:32 It's a nice idea though, and with a low price and withOUT Basic I like it. 05:34:34 --- quit: madwork (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 05:36:45 Heheh :) 05:37:54 It looks like the ATmega8's "TWI" interface is I2C compatible, but without coming out and actually saying it. I wonder if Atmel didn't get the Philips license. :) 05:40:50 Heh... Never checked that TWI thing out. 05:41:45 [00:09:47] warpzero: Hey you. Out there in the cold? 05:41:56 [21:28:55] Robert: standing naked by the phone i hate that song 05:42:16 warpzero: Oh... Well, what did you say that made me ask that first thing? 05:42:30 We're confusing each other with 12 hour delays. 05:42:31 i have absolutely no idea 05:42:34 Hah. 05:45:32 yeah actually 05:45:50 i have no clue why you just spouted a lyrc at me 05:45:53 lyric 05:47:27 Heh 05:47:37 Because you said "Hey you" at me the night before. 05:47:45 And something more, which I forgot. 05:47:51 oh 05:48:36 yeah because i wanted to talk to you 05:48:37 i forgot 05:48:39 so 05:48:52 pm? 05:49:03 Er, sure. 05:50:53 Hmm...this SPI port is really cool. :) 05:51:02 Anyway, I'm off again -- doing work stuff. 05:51:05 define SPI 05:53:00 warpzero: Protocol for serial communication between cute devices. 06:22:26 omg 06:22:28 how dumb is this 06:22:57 this company has a pricelist in MS office doc. they protect it, and now you cant even fucking search the damned thing 06:23:10 i cant unprotect it because i need a password 06:23:29 damnit. some deciding ppl should just be shot. 06:26:17 :) 06:26:23 * Robert knuffelt qFox. Don't be sad 06:26:41 seriously. whoever is teaching you this dutch crap should stop :p 06:26:59 i really just hope you didnt know what you just said 06:27:23 or did, rather ;) 06:27:59 Hah. 06:28:13 Actually it's useful sometimes. 06:28:37 A Swedish girl turned out to know Dutch, so I could have a small conversation ;D 06:43:42 hahaa 06:43:47 who knows where that will lead! 06:43:57 perhaps trillions of little roberts :) 06:49:32 lol 06:49:37 please god no 06:49:56 --- join: tathi (~josh@pcp02123722pcs.milfrd01.pa.comcast.net) joined #forth 07:12:41 --- join: mur (~mur@uiah.fi) joined #forth 07:19:07 --- join: saon (~Ecoder@c-24-129-95-254.se.client2.attbi.com) joined #forth 07:22:45 --- quit: mur_ (Read error: 238 (Connection timed out)) 07:34:51 --- quit: saon ("Leaving") 07:37:18 Woo hoo! I finally got something spitting out the serial port! Not what I expected, but ANYTHING is better than all the silence I've been getting. 07:38:55 I had not enabled the SCIA pins as SCI, they were still GPIO. 07:39:55 Now that they are SCI, I've got something to work with. 07:43:38 --- join: crc_ (crc@80-pool1.ras11.nynyc-t.alerondial.net) joined #forth 07:44:23 --- quit: crc (Read error: 232 (Connection reset by peer)) 07:44:36 --- nick: crc_ -> crc 07:53:35 RetroForth/Native now supports interrupts :-) 07:55:59 --- quit: crc ("Time for bed... Goodnight!") 08:17:02 --- quit: tathi ("leaving") 08:39:20 --- join: hrmpf (~obi@195.18.226.13) joined #forth 08:47:45 --- join: mur_ (~mur@kyberias.uiah.fi) joined #forth 08:58:29 --- quit: mur (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09:01:20 --- join: jDoctor (~rex@pcp08550359pcs.manass01.va.comcast.net) joined #forth 09:27:59 --- join: mur (~mur@uiah.fi) joined #forth 09:38:10 --- quit: mur_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10:44:55 --- join: mur_ (~mur@uiah.fi) joined #forth 10:55:57 --- quit: mur (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11:41:07 --- join: mycr0ft (~mycr0ft@pcp09883071pcs.ewndsr01.nj.comcast.net) joined #forth 11:55:49 --- join: Topaz (jonny@sown-86.ecs.soton.ac.uk) joined #forth 11:57:40 mycroft! 11:57:51 I440r 11:57:54 thats the name of sherlock homses older smarter brothe r:) 11:57:58 you are being monitored 11:58:04 yea ? 11:58:10 any illegal activity will be noted 11:58:13 * I440r starts quakling :) 11:58:19 quaking 11:58:28 * I440r hides is illegal shit 11:58:58 who would want to monitor poor innocent /me ? 11:59:13 i'm j/k 12:01:17 the ministry of information 12:03:45 :) 12:10:53 yessuh, it tis a good reference. It is also the name of a protagonist in a Heinlein novel. 12:16:15 :) 12:17:17 theres a radio game show in england called brain of britian. the guests on it usually score 20% or so - my mother scores 90% of ALL questions. the person who thinks up the questions is known only as mycroft :) 12:26:18 --- quit: mur_ (Remote closed the connection) 12:26:48 --- join: jfox_ (~mycr0ft@pcp09883071pcs.ewndsr01.nj.comcast.net) joined #forth 12:26:53 --- join: mur (~mur@uiah.fi) joined #forth 12:27:38 hi jfox_ 12:27:46 jfox_, i remember reading about a forth GUI you wrote 12:28:10 --- quit: mycr0ft (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 12:30:38 jfox is jeff fox ? 12:30:53 maybe 12:30:54 --- quit: Topaz (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 12:30:55 hrm. new jersey heh 12:30:58 maybe not 12:34:25 --- join: wossname (~wossname@rn-v1w5a06.uwaterloo.ca) joined #forth 12:36:31 [20:41:05] * mycr0ft (~mycr0ft@pcp09883071pcs.ewndsr01.nj.comcast.net) 12:36:32 [21:26:47] * jfox_ (~mycr0ft@pcp09883071pcs.ewndsr01.nj.comcast.net) 12:36:42 maybe very not? 12:36:43 :) 12:36:57 i know jfox is mycroft lol 12:37:21 im betting he had to reconnect and thus got assigned a different ip 12:37:32 IMPOSTOR!!! :) 12:46:21 nope 12:46:29 sorta 12:47:23 on wireless behind home network and I lost signal. 12:47:37 Nope I be Jon Fox, not Jeff Fox. 12:47:37 ok :) 12:47:47 and you code forth ? 12:47:58 --- nick: jfox_ -> mycr0ft 12:48:21 As of this week! 12:49:36 I'm working on a high speed camera at work. The apps are all written in forth. 12:50:27 awesome 12:50:49 Well it's circa 1993. 12:51:17 and I need to update the machine and interface. 12:53:47 which forth are they written in ? 12:53:53 whose ? 12:54:13 and do you have any idea how to go about recoding the parts you need to recode ? 12:54:21 forth can be very daunting at first 12:54:30 but its ery easy when you know it 12:55:13 Harvard Sci. Forth I think 12:55:27 mycr0ft, there's more forth implementatiosn than forth programmers 12:56:07 mycroft is this for 8051 ? 12:56:14 I've been doing a bit of research whether to recode in another language (gasp) or port to a free forth. 12:56:51 So far I'm trying to figure out the host end of things (i586) 12:57:12 well forth is pretty cool for embedded microcontroller work 12:57:19 MUCH easier due to itneractive debugging 12:57:24 mycroft i would personally write the forth and port it to that - but if you have to learn forth first i would suggest recoding it in assembler 12:57:34 So I've heard. 12:57:46 I440r, don't you have a 8051 forth? 12:57:49 or just the assembler 12:58:14 Well I at least have to understand the Forth on the host machine enough to understand it. 12:58:28 (No Docs. Just the Forth source.) 12:58:29 forth is easy 12:58:31 its just unusual 12:58:35 oh, no docs, tough 12:58:48 i do but its not up to commercial snuff yet 12:59:01 Well, since I'm still not over my love affair with my HP RPN calculator... 12:59:13 maybe it will be a sweet effort. 12:59:46 forth is not all RPN though 12:59:57 you can make new syntax 13:00:03 I'm picking that up as well. 13:00:05 eg, you write : sq dup * ; 13:00:12 to define a new word 'sq' 13:00:23 : is a special word that reads ahead, so its prefix even 13:01:07 I've started reading the gforth tutorial in the gforth manual 13:01:17 its very good. 13:01:23 So far. 13:01:26 starting forth is another good one 13:01:28 mycroft go to your local library, see if they have starting forth? 13:01:29 google for it 13:01:36 or is there a online version of it now ? 13:01:49 yes 13:01:52 its very out of date for modern forths but the one your working with isnt modern, it is also still very good 13:02:00 they're working on an online thinking forth too 13:02:00 OK. Will do. AddAll is my book-buying friend. (unpaid endorsement) 13:02:41 I'm trying to become an Ada expert simultaneously too, so parallel learning the weekend long. 13:02:56 (and I should get off IRC to be more productive) 13:03:13 But thanks for the book suggestion! 13:04:25 i think the iforth web page has starting forth online 13:04:36 it will help you with the basics 13:06:11 thanks I440r. 13:06:18 no problem :) 13:06:30 drop buy any time to ask questions 13:06:55 will do. I'm adding #forth to my autologin for a while. 13:08:20 :) 13:15:45 here is something beautiful i just coded 13:15:58 BEGIN-STRUCT: event 13:15:58 FIELD: char type 13:15:58 FIELD: int unused 13:15:58 FIELD: int unused 13:15:58 FIELD: int unused 13:15:59 FIELD: int unused 13:16:01 END-STRUCT 13:16:05 C struct access dammit 13:16:14 except i need to fix that 'unused' crap 13:18:16 : SDL_Init ( mode -- ) 13:18:16 "int" "sdl" "SDL_Init" [ "int" ] alien-call ; 13:18:20 how beautiful is that 13:18:52 it was ASM macros before, messy 13:27:11 compared to JNI this is revolutionary :) 13:27:26 with JNI you write like 10000 pages of wrapper code for each C function you want to call from Java 13:39:09 --- quit: jDoctor ("leaving") 14:01:46 --- join: mur_ (~mur@smtp.uiah.fi) joined #forth 14:12:03 --- quit: mur (Read error: 238 (Connection timed out)) 14:20:54 --- quit: mur_ (Remote closed the connection) 14:21:43 --- join: mur (~mur@uiah.fi) joined #forth 14:47:31 --- join: Herkamire (~jason@h000094d30ba2.ne.client2.attbi.com) joined #forth 14:47:31 --- mode: ChanServ set +o Herkamire 14:47:47 ahhh 14:47:51 Hi 14:47:52 :) 14:47:57 that bike ride kicked ass 14:48:06 hi Robert :) 14:49:36 I tried some new side-trails I saw on my ride on wednesday 14:51:44 Cool. :) 14:53:49 * das should get away from his computer and go ride his bike. 14:59:06 I would feel soo good if I did this every day 15:00:40 --- join: Topaz (jonny@sown-86.ecs.soton.ac.uk) joined #forth 15:00:49 Hi Topaz 15:00:55 kc5tja has been waiting for you. :) 15:01:18 Herkamire: There's a relatively short period for biking over here, if you're not suicidal. 15:02:09 snow bikes 15:02:17 are fun 15:02:27 if a little dangerous to your long term survival 15:03:11 :) 15:04:15 * das did it every day last summer, fall, and winter... then I moved. Maybe I should move again so I have to ride... 15:12:17 heh, I usually don't ride much in the winter 15:12:21 but I could. 15:12:40 I was thinking about getting a motorcycle helmet to keep the wind out of my face etc 15:13:07 hehe, lo 15:13:22 i'm currently using the uni's wireless connection from a house a mile away 15:13:28 courtesy of roof and a USB wifi adapter 15:13:30 well, I live in east texas. Winters are not too bad. I rode one winter in the Chicago area, back in 92/93. 15:14:21 Oh, I wear face covering, like a face pullover, ski mask if I have to. 15:16:09 yeah, I have a ski mask I think 15:16:18 no idea where it is, but I have one 15:16:35 --- quit: qFox ("this quit is sponsored by somebody!") 15:16:53 and I used to have one of those face mask things people ski in that go up almost to your eyes, and have little holes to let air in 15:17:03 not sure if that's still around 15:17:27 I just thought a helmet might be nice bacause it's one piece 15:17:43 gives some people quite a scare, like if they start to pull in front of you then see you. 15:17:46 don't have to do hat+hood+mask+goggles 15:18:14 yah, but heavy, and would get to hot if you have to 10+ miles. 15:18:32 true, I didn't think of heavy 15:18:48