00:00:00 --- log: started forth/04.09.22 00:13:40 Hmm...I think I finally learned how to make an L-network for impedance matching purposes. 00:14:29 When I re-erect my amateur radio antenna, I'll try making an L-network for it at the feedpoint. I know my antenna tuner can load the antenna as-is, but I think the L-network will make the antenna appear more consistent to the tuner (not as sharp a tuning). 00:14:37 Hmm..much to learn and explore! 00:16:07 --- join: mur_ (~mur@smtp.uiah.fi) joined #forth 00:18:22 --- quit: mur (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 00:45:19 --- quit: Herkamire ("bed") 01:16:00 holy shit 01:16:04 im in quest32 01:16:08 and i did WORDS 01:16:15 and it didnt stop for like 30 seconds 01:36:22 --- nick: proteusguy -> proteusguy-sleep 02:17:51 --- quit: mur_ (Remote closed the connection) 02:19:07 --- join: mur (~mur@smtp.uiah.fi) joined #forth 02:24:07 --- quit: zardon ("leaving") 03:04:44 hmm... must be a lot of words then :) 04:04:49 --- join: mur_ (~mur@uiah.fi) joined #forth 04:07:01 --- quit: mur (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 04:17:51 kc5tja: ping 04:26:24 --- part: das-away left #forth 04:27:56 --- quit: mur_ (Remote closed the connection) 04:29:12 --- join: mur (~mur@uiah.fi) joined #forth 04:36:29 pong 04:57:03 heya... 04:57:30 did you get a chance to check out the arm sim? :) 04:59:25 Nope. 04:59:36 Not yet. 05:01:13 ahh... when you get to that, could you let me know that you got the email? 05:03:39 Let me check. I honestly haven't even done that yet. 05:06:51 Yeah, I got the instructions on how to get it. 05:06:55 I just haven't done so yet. 05:07:52 hmm... 05:07:52 Error during call to `vu_chdir' for /home/kc5tja/{archives}/2004-bongo (No such file or directory) 05:07:55 PANIC: I/O error 05:08:00 My tla seems to have code-rotted. 05:08:11 It used to work fine in the past, but I cannot explain why that error occured. 05:09:48 Even if hand-creating the directory, it doesn't work. Oh well. 05:09:52 Too tired to try and debug it now. 05:16:58 --- join: crc (crc@193-pool1.ras11.nynyc-t.alerondial.net) joined #forth 05:17:54 You know, it is funny how incredibly well Forth works, but yet makes such a small impact on its surrounding environment. 05:18:22 Here I am, running this irssi session inside Screen, itself inside X11. I'm also listinging to the 20m amateur radio band at the same time. 05:19:13 Anything that involves the mouse or extensive graphics work just throws a royal blast of QRM (ham-talk for man-made noise) onto the band. For any kind of weak-signal work, the computer would have to be turned off. 05:19:33 But when I do any kind of work in Forth, it barely makes an audible "click" on the radio. 05:19:37 Very impressive. 05:20:12 That just goes to show you that the more stuff the computer has to do, the more power it must consume to do so. And it isn't linear either. 05:22:10 you could just tla get if you want to just look at it :) 05:22:19 Of course, executing WORDS 6400 times causes quite a bit of RF hash. :) 05:24:35 speaking of noise, there's a lot of release noise going on in the arch pipe 05:25:34 maybe the tla you're using might be too old? 05:26:10 jim: The above error is what I get when I try to tla get. 05:26:11 --- quit: kc5tja (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05:26:25 --- quit: mur (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 05:26:52 --- join: mur (~mur@uiah.fi) joined #forth 05:36:16 --- join: kc5tja (~kc5tja@66-75-242-200.san.rr.com) joined #forth 05:36:16 --- mode: ChanServ set +o kc5tja 05:36:25 jim: I got disconnected. 05:39:00 hmmmm.... 05:40:16 does tla archives also give the error? 05:40:48 does /home/kc5tja/{archives}/2004-bongo exist on your machine? 05:41:57 what you can do, I think, is unregister the archive with that physical location 05:42:26 especially if that physical location doesn't actually exist :) 06:01:47 Like I already said, I hand-(re)created the {archives}/2004-bongo directory, but the error persists. 06:02:11 --- quit: hefner ("death and taxes") 06:05:27 hmmmm.... 06:07:50 what if you unregister the archive at that location? (seems like it wants to see an arch archive there, and does not?) 06:08:03 to do that... 06:08:30 - tla archives (to see which archive name is associated with that location) 06:08:45 - tla register-archive -d 06:10:38 bash-2.05b$ tla archives 06:10:38 jim@jsn.org--2004-pub 06:10:38 http://jam.sessionsnet.org:7000/~jim/{archives}/jim@jsn.org--2004-pub 06:10:38 kc5tja@arrl.net--cut-2003 06:10:38 /home/kc5tja/{archives}/cut-2003 06:10:40 kc5tja@arrl.net--qm-2003 06:10:43 sftp://falvotec@www.falvotech.com/home/falvotec/HTML/{archives}/qm-2003 06:10:45 kc@microsoft.com--qm-2003 06:10:47 http://www.falvotech.com/{archives}/qm-2003 06:10:50 sam.falvo@falvotech.com--2004-bongo 06:10:53 /home/kc5tja/{archives}/2004-bongo 06:11:24 seems that sam.falvo@falvotech.com--2004-bongo is the one to try unregistering 06:12:02 Yes, but, if I'm trying to grab YOUR archive, why would tla care about bongo's? 06:12:13 Why doesn't it care about the others, which equally don't exist? 06:12:57 I still get the same error: 06:13:07 bash-2.05b$ tla register-archive -d sam.falvo@falvotech.com--2004-bongo 06:13:07 bash-2.05b$ tla get arm7-sim--mainline--0.1 arm7-sim 06:13:07 archive not registered: sam.falvo@falvotech.com--2004-bongo 06:13:07 (see register-archive) 06:13:18 I think tla is just plain broken at this point. 06:13:29 I don't ever recall it behaving this way when I used it regualrly. Something critical happened to it. 06:13:34 And I'm not about to figure out what it is. 06:13:44 I'm too tired. 06:14:03 Damn, I got NO coding on FTS/Forth done tonight. :( 06:14:04 * kc5tja sighs 06:15:18 :/ 06:15:24 * Robert is doing his research on bloatware. 06:17:54 --- join: snowrichard (~richard@adsl-068-209-159-248.sip.shv.bellsouth.net) joined #forth 06:18:13 Hi snowrichard 06:18:21 hello Robert 06:21:06 --- join: mur_ (~mur@mgw2.uiah.fi) joined #forth 06:24:11 afk 06:24:28 OK, bye 06:27:13 * crc is playing with libdl 06:27:43 kc5tja: allrighty... well, try this idea tomorrow: try registering my archive and doing the tla get as a different (maybe newly created) user 06:28:22 meanwhile, I'll ask again after awhile (day or two) 06:30:16 --- quit: mur (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06:34:19 jim: I'm not even going to bother right at the moment. I think the real solution is to just flat out remove tla completely and re-install from scratch at this point. 06:35:26 kc5tja: yeah, sounds like it. there's a tla-1.2.1 out; it's the latest one iirc 06:35:45 Yeah, I'm sure. 06:35:51 tla ? 06:35:51 But really, I'm not interested in getting a new version of tla. 06:35:56 * kc5tja uses darcs now. 06:36:31 I could tar up the latest for you, I suppose... 06:37:20 BRB -- I ahve to take my driver-side door interior off, so that I can hand-close the god-damned window. >:( 06:37:30 First the sunroof is stuck open, nw the driver-side iwndow gets stuck open. 06:37:35 I'm REALLY starting to get freaking pissed off. 06:38:13 Ahh, the joy of deteriorating automobiles. 06:39:56 madwork_: I have no freaking choice. I'm fscking POOR. 06:40:11 deterior decorating? 06:41:57 What kind of car do you have again? 06:42:04 sorry... couldn't resist... seriously, sorry to hear about your car 06:42:09 jim, heh 06:42:13 --- nick: madwork_ -> madwork 06:42:14 madwork_: Mazda RX-7, 1986. 06:42:57 Maybe you should consider selling it, getting something newer, cheaper, and more reliable. 06:45:23 Can you tell me what is cheaper than $3000 that still runs as smooth as a Cadillac, and can withstand 7500RPM for extended periods of time? 06:45:31 And has a perfect condition body? 06:46:10 And has lower insurance premiums? 06:46:21 (not to mention working windows) 06:46:26 Very true -- my insurance is quite affordable. 06:46:37 madwork: The switch is bad. 06:46:43 --- join: I440r_ (~mark4@216-110-82-59.gen.twtelecom.net) joined #forth 06:46:50 Is there a crime in that? 06:47:02 No, did I say there was? 06:47:07 You're implying it. 06:47:17 You're inferring that I'm implying it. :P 06:47:37 I'm just saying maybe you could save some money by trading in your car. 06:47:46 I don't appreciate the whole "you're car is a piece of shit because it can't roll up a window" line of reasoning. 06:47:51 Umm...no. 06:47:53 I can't. 06:48:09 Go ahead and don't appreciate the line of reasoning that I wasn't making. 06:48:25 And, that's fine then. It was just an idea. I didn't know much about your car to begin with. 06:49:06 I bought it for $4K 1.5 years ago, and since put close to 30K miles on it. 06:49:12 The car itself runs like new. 06:49:25 And it's fully paid for. 06:49:41 If I trade it in, my insurance will go up (because it's a newer car), and I'll have to make payments (which I can't afford) 06:51:31 Well, I need to go to the store and purchase new set of screwdrivers now too. 06:51:37 I can't find *a single* screwdriver I used to have. 06:53:49 Today is just shaping up to not be a good day at all. :( 06:56:06 it's only the moment that doesn't seem great... 06:56:30 and that's only based on what's happened recently 06:58:13 if today isn't shaping up right, reshape by all means 06:59:02 reshape what by all means? The day? Sorry, I don't have that kind of control. I never did. I never will. 07:00:48 --- quit: snowrichard ("Leaving") 07:01:09 ahh... then relax :) if you don't have control over that anyways, just let it go 07:01:51 It's my car. It's wide open to theft. 07:02:28 --- quit: I440r_ ("Leaving") 07:02:34 It's my *only* means of transportation to and from work. 07:03:22 then take care of that part and then relax :) 07:03:50 What do you think I'm trying to do? 07:03:56 Never mind. 07:03:57 --- part: kc5tja left #forth 07:04:01 Heh. 07:04:21 maan 07:04:25 --- join: Herkamire (~jason@h000094d30ba2.ne.client2.attbi.com) joined #forth 07:04:26 --- mode: ChanServ set +o Herkamire 07:14:34 --- quit: crc ("Time for bed... Goodnight!") 07:22:41 --- quit: I440r (Operation timed out) 07:49:00 damn - that means my box is down at home grr 07:51:09 --- join: fridge (~Jim@CommSecureAustPtyLtd.sb1.optus.net.au) joined #forth 08:15:36 --- nick: proteusguy-sleep -> proteusguy 08:21:34 --- join: TheBlueWizard (TheBlueWiz@modem-145.nyc-tc03b.FCC.NET) joined #forth 08:21:34 --- mode: ChanServ set +o TheBlueWizard 09:15:09 --- part: TheBlueWizard left #forth 09:48:24 --- quit: proteusguy (Operation timed out) 10:07:50 --- join: warp0b00 (~warpzero@mi034.dn189.umontana.edu) joined #forth 10:10:40 --- quit: warp0b00 (Client Quit) 10:11:17 --- join: warp0x00 (~warpzero@mi034.dn189.umontana.edu) joined #forth 11:13:18 --- join: saon (Ecoder@c-24-129-95-254.se.client2.attbi.com) joined #forth 12:13:47 --- quit: tgunr ("Leaving") 12:16:08 --- join: wossname (~wossname@rn-v1w5a06.uwaterloo.ca) joined #forth 12:37:27 --- quit: cmeme (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 12:37:38 --- join: cmeme (~cmeme@216.184.11.30.unused.swcp.com) joined #forth 14:52:13 --- log: started forth/04.09.22 14:52:13 --- join: clog (nef@bespin.org) joined #forth 14:52:13 --- topic: 'FORTH programming language. Info: http://forth.bespin.org/resources/introduction ANSI: http://www.taygeta.com/forth/dpans.htm FIG83: http://forth.sourceforge.net/standard/fst83/ Links: http://members.dsl-only.net/~loophog || Note: this chan is publicly logged. | misato' 14:52:13 --- topic: set by wossname on [Wed Sep 15 18:12:21 2004] 14:52:13 --- names: list (clog cmbrannon @kc5tja proteusguy ianp warp0x00 cmeme wossname fridge @Herkamire mur_ I440r Robert juhammed warpzero madgarden madwork bent onetom jim skylan slava @ChanServ Fractal) 14:54:16 yea 14:55:02 * cmbrannon has used Isforth. Nice system. 14:56:09 * Robert agrees 14:56:48 made a minor change to the timer stuff just now - allowing cascaded timer-resets and .elapsed 14:57:12 i.e. if you do a timer-reset and then a word you call ALSO does a timer-reset and a .elapsed YOUR timer isnt fubarred 14:58:33 I440r, actually I ported your struct code to RetroForth once. It is very readable. 14:58:51 i sorta didnt invent it :) 15:00:08 and im hoping ALL of isforth is readable hehe 15:12:13 --- quit: fridge ("Leaving") 15:18:31 I440r, I noticed you have socket code in Isforth. Is your copy of the socketcall manpage as unenlightening as mine is? 15:18:58 bsd man pages are good for socket functins 15:20:19 What about ipc? The ipc.2 manpage is scanty on Linux as well. 15:22:24 only standard library implementors and kernel hackers need to know about ipc 15:22:40 this is another one of those fucked up "Were leet and you dont need to know this" bullshit things 15:23:01 Yep, that is what mine says. I'm tempted to write a real manpage and submit it. 15:23:06 i.e. linux is CLOSED source 15:23:20 they wont accept it 15:23:48 when linux is fully documented ill call it open 15:24:09 anyway im off home now :) 15:24:20 if tathi shows up tie him down till i get back :) 15:30:43 --- join: tathi (~josh@pcp02123722pcs.milfrd01.pa.comcast.net) joined #forth 15:31:16 lol 15:31:23 anyway im off home now :) 15:31:23 if tathi shows up tie him down till i get back :) 15:32:26 did that just happen? 15:32:36 About 5 minutes ago. 15:32:57 nice :) 16:17:01 --- join: I440r_ (~mark4@216-110-82-59.gen.twtelecom.net) joined #forth 16:17:30 I440r_, tathi is here 16:17:46 I440r, do you talk with a thick southern accent? 16:18:02 no i dont talk with any accent :P 16:18:09 i bet you do 16:18:10 im not from texas i just moved here 16:18:17 :) 16:18:45 ima gona make coffee 16:18:57 don't you mean fried chicken and jack daniel's? 16:20:45 mmm. fried chicken 16:21:05 jack danniels is my drink yes 16:21:08 cept im all pout 16:21:22 argh 16:21:26 where the hell did that P come from 16:21:27 grrr 16:21:32 i REALLY must learn to type 16:21:39 jack daniels is helping you to type? 16:21:41 hehehe 16:21:44 do you irc drunk :) 16:21:48 you mean the lack of it ? 16:21:58 lol 16:40:31 --- join: _proteus (~proteusgu@68-114-24-230.cpe.ga.charter.com) joined #forth 16:44:57 --- quit: tathi ("leaving") 16:45:55 --- quit: _proteus ("The #python split is remarkably silly...") 16:46:27 --- quit: warp0x00 (Connection timed out) 16:49:57 --- join: fridge (~fridge@dsl-220-253-79-16.NSW.netspace.net.au) joined #forth 16:53:46 --- quit: proteusguy (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16:55:21 --- join: proteusguy (~proteusgu@68-114-24-230.cpe.ga.charter.com) joined #forth 17:02:26 --- join: tgunr (~davec@vsat-148-63-4-107.c001.g4.mrt.starband.net) joined #forth 17:13:42 --- quit: proteusguy ("The #python split is remarkably silly...") 17:24:01 I'm awake again. 17:26:09 --- join: jDoctor (~rex@pcp08550359pcs.manass01.va.comcast.net) joined #forth 17:26:11 hi all 17:30:50 re 17:31:06 Hi 17:32:34 Well, off to dinner. Bye all. 17:32:36 --- quit: cmbrannon ("gone") 17:33:53 ok, is playing elecric guitar during a VERY BAD electical storm a good idea ??? :) 17:34:05 it's \m/ metal \m/ dude 17:41:05 You can play all you want, as long as it's not plugged in. 17:44:07 lol it IS plugged in heh 17:46:41 hi kc5tja 18:05:53 * kc5tja is reading the USB specifications. 18:10:02 --- join: saon (Ecoder@c-24-129-95-254.se.client2.attbi.com) joined #forth 18:19:12 --- quit: saon ("Leaving") 18:26:57 --- join: mark4 (~mark4@216-110-82-59.gen.twtelecom.net) joined #forth 18:33:47 --- quit: I440r_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18:44:48 --- join: TheBlueWizard (TheBlueWiz@modem-098.nyc-tc03a.FCC.NET) joined #forth 18:44:48 --- mode: ChanServ set +o TheBlueWizard 18:44:58 --- quit: wossname ("ecks dee") 19:16:59 --- join: das (~das@adsl-64-219-100-33.dsl.lgvwtx.swbell.net) joined #forth 19:17:14 --- quit: mark4 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19:19:43 re TheBlueWizard 19:21:37 kc5tja hiya 19:22:54 * kc5tja is currently reading up on the USB specification, especially the HID class devices. 19:23:13 * kc5tja is wondering how easy it will be to make a USB-compatible version of my Dvorak/QWERTY remapper device. 19:36:06 gotta go...all bye 19:36:18 --- part: TheBlueWizard left #forth 19:39:31 --- part: das left #forth 20:06:11 I440r, ping 20:06:17 I440r, lol you were trolling in #slate? 20:23:33 I440r, somebody impersonated you i think 20:23:45 (3304894622 :JOIN "godflesh" NIL "~godflesh@CPE-24-31-253-194.kc.rr.com") 20:23:50 (3304894992 :NICK "godflesh" "i440r_" "~godflesh@CPE-24-31-253-194.kc.rr.com") 20:24:39 Yep. I440r uses twtelecom.net 20:24:40 you indented as godflesh and connected through road runner in kansas city? 20:24:46 idented* 20:25:37 Well, folks, I'm not too sure of whether or not I'll be producing a USB-compatible keyboard remapper, much as I'd like to. 20:26:06 USB in and of itself seems simple enough, but the HID specifications are rediculously complex. 21:11:07 guess what 21:11:15 i put in my 2 weeks notice at mcdicks 21:15:04 --- join: proteusguy (~proteusgu@68-114-24-230.cpe.ga.charter.com) joined #forth 21:16:55 damn 21:16:58 congrats 21:17:10 i think 21:22:33 yeah 21:22:40 because i have this all planned out 21:22:43 no matter what I do, I win. 21:28:09 well as long as it doesnt involve killing anyone... go for it! 21:28:12 ;) 21:28:25 :) 21:28:36 i wish i could legally kill one person. 21:28:41 and i could choose who, and how. 21:28:53 its legal to kill if you work for the government 21:28:58 lol 21:29:00 hehe 21:29:00 except that i dont 21:29:02 :) 21:29:07 that would be fun. 21:29:11 no way 21:29:21 it would befun except killing people 21:29:28 unless it stopped people from killing people i guess 21:29:41 .... 21:29:41 \ 21:29:44 KILLING IS BUSINESS ........ AND BUSINESS IS GOOD 21:29:51 i get my optocoupler dev board soon 21:29:51 : 21:29:54 :) 21:29:55 what is that from? 21:30:04 no idea. 21:30:18 i think it was some 80s rock band album name 21:30:21 i dont remember. 21:30:23 i dont care. 21:30:28 i like cheese and cows and milk. 21:39:11 hi arke 21:40:07 hi slava 21:41:05 It's a paraphrase of the Ferenghi rules of acquisition. Rule X: War is good for business. Rule X+1: Peace is good for business. 21:41:13 where X is some integer between 20 and 80. 21:46:34 --- quit: tgunr (Excess Flood) 21:48:51 --- join: tgunr (~davec@vsat-148-63-4-107.c001.g4.mrt.starband.net) joined #forth 22:16:45 --- quit: Herkamire (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 22:32:08 I'm going to the supermarket. I'll be right back. 22:32:23 okies 23:07:34 back 23:16:15 :) 23:36:01 Morning 23:36:11 hi 23:57:01 --- quit: mur_ (Remote closed the connection) 23:57:39 --- join: mur (~mur@uiah.fi) joined #forth 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/04.09.22