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I'm off to bed. 00:01:59 --- quit: kc5tja ("THX QSO ES 73 DE KC5TJA/6 CL ES QRT AR SK") 00:23:15 --- quit: proteusguy ("Leaving") 00:25:55 --- join: mur_ (~mur@uiah.fi) joined #forth 00:36:16 --- quit: mur (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01:47:38 --- join: mur (~mur@kyberias.uiah.fi) joined #forth 01:58:48 --- quit: mur_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03:01:25 --- join: mur_ (~mur@smtp.uiah.fi) joined #forth 03:03:44 --- quit: mur (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 03:18:16 --- join: FlamingRain (~Ecoder@c-24-129-95-254.se.client2.attbi.com) joined #forth 03:21:46 --- nick: TomasuDlrrp -> Tomasu 03:21:49 * Tomasu is back (gone 14:07:44) 03:29:15 --- quit: FlamingRain ("Leaving") 03:53:00 --- quit: mur_ (Remote closed the connection) 03:53:40 --- join: mur (~mur@smtp.uiah.fi) joined #forth 04:23:45 --- join: mur_ (~mur@smtp.uiah.fi) joined #forth 04:25:20 --- join: crc (crc@102-pool1.ras11.nynyc-t.alerondial.net) joined #forth 04:34:45 --- quit: mur (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04:56:01 --- quit: I440r_ (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 04:56:01 --- quit: Tomasu (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 04:57:24 --- join: I440r_ (~mark4@216-110-82-203.gen.twtelecom.net) joined #forth 04:57:24 --- join: Tomasu (~moose@S010600045a4c73cc.ed.shawcable.net) joined #forth 04:57:31 --- quit: Tomasu ("SIGWTF") 04:58:49 --- join: Tomasu (~moose@S010600045a4c73cc.ed.shawcable.net) joined #forth 04:59:59 --- quit: Tomasu (Killed by sagan.freenode.net (Nick collision)) 05:00:00 --- join: Tomasu (~moose@S010600045a4c73cc.ed.shawcable.net) joined #forth 05:08:23 --- quit: ChanServ (Shutting Down) 05:08:44 --- join: ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) joined #forth 05:08:44 --- mode: irc.freenode.net set +o ChanServ 05:15:42 --- quit: Serg_penguin (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05:16:17 --- join: Herkamire (~jason@h000094d30ba2.ne.client2.attbi.com) joined #forth 05:16:17 --- mode: ChanServ set +o Herkamire 05:18:02 Hello Herkamire 05:22:08 hi crc :) 05:22:14 What's new? 05:22:37 lots of progress on herkforth in the last week 05:23:09 source export now exports the dictionary and data sections 05:24:11 * crc does 'svn up' :-) 05:24:29 you can change the color of existing words with the color change keys 05:24:55 terminal dimentions are fetched automatically 05:26:02 very nice 05:26:52 It seems to respond faster now 05:27:05 now that the dictionary and data sections are saved, it is no longer nessesary to have definitions for variables, datas and most constants 05:29:04 oh, it was also fairly recently that I made an encoding for binary data to be displayed and exported to ascii 05:30:47 I changed the filename convention to nicely support up to 999 bootstrappings (instead of 9) 05:32:19 I'm impressed 05:32:23 the dictionary export also allows blocks to be LOADed out of order 05:32:43 Any closer to having it run natively? 05:32:48 without the C parser for the initial bootstrap (which parses blocks in order) getting word-not-found 05:34:25 yeah :) this is a big step closer 05:35:05 I also made it so when you export the dictionary it doesn't save dictionary entries that are not used (refered to by source tokens) 05:35:12 (or data) 05:37:01 Very nice 05:40:51 now before I go native, I need to write code to drop unused dictionary entries on boostrap. (right now it doesn't export them, but they never go away) 05:41:11 and I need to make it so you can edit data 05:42:56 I think that's all I really need to do first 05:43:02 cool 05:43:15 * crc is looking forward to running HerkForth on PearPC :-) 05:43:27 yeah :) me too 05:43:43 I might also split the source up into definitions, and store each as a seperate data object 05:44:26 and set it up to do automatic dependancy compilation 05:44:41 or maybe I'll save that for later 05:49:47 I've almost finished my ATA driver :-) 05:51:03 Along with syscall support for Linux, FreeBSD, and Windows 05:52:40 --- join: SDO (~SDO@67-23-111-213.clspco.adelphia.net) joined #forth 05:53:18 wow :) 05:53:58 are windows syscalls even similar to linux/fbsd syscalls ? 05:54:20 No 05:54:30 I have to use the DLL's at the moment 05:54:39 oh god 05:54:50 thats not what i asked heh 05:54:52 To actually use a Windows system call, I'd have to be in kernel mode 05:55:01 i asked if windows syscalls were similar to linux syscalls 05:55:06 raw syscalls 05:55:13 not libc wrapper bullshot 05:56:05 heh 05:56:11 neway i gotta go to work 06:01:05 You pass the syscall number in eax and a pointer to the arguments in ebx (or edx for some syscalls) 06:01:18 work. bbl 06:01:21 It's more like the FreeBSD syscalls, where you pass options on the stck 06:28:43 you cant make system calls in windows except from ring 0 ? 06:28:46 ick 06:33:07 --- quit: mur_ (Remote closed the connection) 06:33:40 --- join: mur (~mur@mgw2.uiah.fi) joined #forth 06:35:28 Windows was designed to be accessed through the DLL's 06:36:18 All of the system calls are wrapped through NTDLL.DLL under Windows NT/2k/XP (I'm not sure where they are wrapped in earlier versions) 06:36:34 If you make a mistake, the kernel isn't very forgiving :-( 06:37:17 * crc took the easy route and just supports dynamic loading & use of DLL's 06:45:24 heh i bet 06:46:25 Actually, you can call int 0x2e (syscall) from a normal app under Win95/98/Me, but NOT under NT/2k/XP 07:20:07 :/ 07:20:19 thats why god invented linux 07:20:28 so we wouldnt HAVE to follow satan 07:20:34 I prefer FreeBSD to Linux :-) 07:20:54 i have issues with the anal retention factor of fbsd 07:20:59 ??? 07:21:05 like the one thats biting me in the ass right now 07:21:14 you cannot break without a bss 07:21:30 so now i have to go and add an un-needed and unwanted bss section to my fsaved forth kernel 07:21:36 I see 07:21:54 break allocates more space? 07:22:13 ok the "break" is the highest address allocated to your process 07:22:31 the brk syscall moves the break up or down 07:22:35 ok 07:22:45 And you can't use it without a BSS? 07:22:48 That's odd 07:22:49 but it only works if theres a "Data section" 07:22:51 nope 07:22:53 not in fbsd 07:23:23 I wonder why... 07:23:35 man 2 brk 07:23:46 it tells you its intended to move the break on the DATA segment 07:23:50 which is .bss 07:24:01 but i have no .bss section 07:24:09 i have a single +rwx section 07:25:06 I see 07:25:16 but i gotta add one now lol 07:25:33 Why do you need to move the break? 07:25:39 (Just out of curiosity) 07:25:51 ok. when kernel.com loads i have the following structure 07:25:58 <.text> <.data> 07:26:04 text is my list section 07:26:07 data is my headers 07:26:14 i need to have the following structure 07:26:39 < list +rwx > < blank space > < headers > 07:26:53 so i break out to one meg and then relocate all word headers up in memory 07:27:11 I see 07:27:18 when i do an fsave i relocate all the word headers back down and save out a SINGLE section 07:38:17 * Tomasu is away: stuff 07:46:54 lol i found my "answer to the linux kernel coding style" document lol 07:46:59 i thunked that was lost forever 07:58:09 --- quit: SDO (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 08:02:50 anyone here know where i can get a copy of the elf file format in PDF format ? 08:05:17 Do you mean the official spec? 08:06:40 http://x86.ddj.com/ftp/manuals/tools/elf.pdf 08:10:09 thanx 08:10:20 is that doctor dobbs site ? 08:10:24 yup 08:10:28 cool :) 08:14:10 * crc is trying to find docs on BeOS syscalls 08:41:15 --- join: tgunr (~davec@vsat-148-63-4-107.c001.g4.mrt.starband.net) joined #forth 08:57:22 --- quit: crc ("Time for bed... Goodnight All!") 09:15:48 --- join: kc5tja (~kc5tja@66-74-218-202.san.rr.com) joined #forth 09:15:57 --- mode: ChanServ set +o kc5tja 09:26:36 --- quit: tgunr (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09:27:14 --- join: tgunr (~davec@vsat-148-63-4-107.c001.g4.mrt.starband.net) joined #forth 09:47:03 --- join: warpzero (~warpzero@dsl.103.mt.onewest.net) joined #forth 09:50:33 --- quit: tgunr (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09:52:29 --- join: tgunr (~davec@vsat-148-63-4-107.c001.g4.mrt.starband.net) joined #forth 11:13:26 --- join: desentenche (~martin@pD9FF5EA8.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 11:13:52 --- part: desentenche left #forth 11:46:57 can someone tell me the whois on the ~martin guy who did a flyby here ? 11:47:04 its scrolled off my screen and i need the info 11:52:44 Can't find any martin... 11:52:51 I'll grep 11:53:11 20:13 -!- desentenche [~martin@pD9FF5EA8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #forth 11:53:46 thanx 11:54:32 not sure but that could be a guy thats being trying to root me 11:54:39 Heh 11:55:08 i have a number of ip's from him firewalled and he might have been coming here to see if i was online or not :) 11:55:50 I didn't know you had that many enemies ;) 11:56:16 i dont. but alot of people have been getting root attempts via some ssh exploit recently 11:58:20 :/ 12:01:41 hi 12:02:08 Hi slava 12:03:20 --- join: tathi (~josh@pcp02123722pcs.milfrd01.pa.comcast.net) joined #forth 12:03:52 http://www.apple.com/imac/ 12:03:54 new g5 imac 12:03:56 looks slick 12:04:15 ive never liked the physical look of apple machines 12:06:44 I440r_: hey, I had a thought...what if you just made your program header allocate 1MB, without having a bss section? 12:06:48 or does that not work also? 12:07:08 i would have to have a 1 megabyte file 12:07:22 nope. 12:07:24 or two files 12:07:28 program header has a file size, and a memory size. 12:07:32 one file for list, the other for head 12:07:41 if the memory size is bigger than the file size, then you get the extra space as blank memory. 12:07:43 yes i know 12:08:07 im sure the people who designed the elf file format intended BSS to be allocated in taht fassion 12:08:19 why do you use brk at all 12:08:22 just mmap a zone 12:08:28 my memory size os 50 gigs but my program size is 50k therefore we have alot of free space 12:08:45 slava: you want it to be continuous with what's already there. 12:08:53 because the memory mapped zone would be disassociated from my process space 12:09:04 ya 12:09:25 and in reality i need .test .bss .data .bss in that order 12:09:33 I440r_: I still don't get how having the ELF give you blank space is ANY different from using the brk. 12:09:34 and i need both .text AND .data to be +rwx 12:09:44 I'm not suggesting that you stop relocating headers. 12:09:56 tathi how do i tell nasm to do taht ? 12:09:57 :) 12:09:58 ONLY that you use the ELF headers rather than a syscall to put the break where you want it. 12:10:03 when i metacompile sure 12:10:19 use a linker script 12:10:36 or just make a .bss section, and tell it to be after text and data 12:10:51 I don't know...I've never used nasm. 12:10:58 it's really more of a linker problem anyway. 12:12:03 I440r, have you studied how emacs does unexec on fbsd 12:12:19 but not as long as nasm is creating kernel.com 12:13:13 err, nasm isn't creating kernel.com 12:13:18 ld is. 12:13:31 take a look at src/kernel/Makefile 12:14:21 I even have a linker script which I could adapt to the purpose in about 5 minutes. 12:14:43 --- quit: tgunr ("Leaving") 12:17:28 hey I440r ping ping 12:18:21 or tathi ping 12:18:28 i need to know if indirect jumps are slow on x86 12:19:24 I don't really do x86, sorry. 12:19:33 ok 12:23:13 slava if bill gates offered me his entier fortune to "study emacs" i would take the money and RUN 12:23:15 fast heheh 12:23:20 lol 12:23:52 I440r, i need some advice 12:23:58 ask 12:24:02 I440r, i want to load/save compiled code right 12:24:08 the worst you could get is a stupid answer :) 12:24:09 ok 12:24:13 I440r, if the compiled code refers to primitives 12:24:24 I440r, how would i make sure that when loaded, it points to the correct location 12:24:34 and not some random point in the exe if it got recompiled 12:24:39 the entry poing ? 12:24:51 like have a table of offsets in the compiled code that need to be relocated or something? 12:24:56 thers an e_entry field in the elf header 12:25:09 this won't be elf 12:25:11 i dont think e_entry can be relocatable 12:25:12 oh 12:25:40 if im slow to reply its cuz im at work 12:25:42 not ignoring 12:25:49 n/m 12:25:53 its ok 12:25:57 i'm going out for a bit 12:25:59 just ask and ill answer when i can :) 12:25:59 ok 13:02:49 I440r_: ok, this seems to work. Can't extend, because I didn't fix fsave yet, but... 13:02:58 http://qualdan.com/forth/isforth.ld 13:03:01 put that in src/kernel 13:03:15 add -T isforth.ld as first options to ld in src/kernel/Makefile 13:03:34 add "section .bss" to your red-tape bullshit visual clutter 13:03:40 and drop the brk syscall. 13:03:44 tathi: you got isforth to run on ppc? 13:03:55 Herkamire: getting there. 13:03:57 The kernel runs. 13:04:01 nice :) 13:04:19 still not entirely bug-free, because I can't extend all the way yet. 13:04:46 I need to write a 64/32-bit divide routine (bleh) 13:05:00 and I think create/does> still has some problems. 13:06:19 but the above was in reference to how I think all three versions should be changed, to avoid using the brk syscall, which is causing trouble on freebsd. 13:06:40 I see 13:06:48 what is a .bss section? 13:06:57 part of the elf file I presume, but what does it do? 13:06:58 Herkamire, global variables in C etc 13:09:25 blank space 13:09:30 tathi cool! 13:09:53 i should show you what im doing here with fsave so your fix can be in line with mine 13:10:07 yah, that's why I didn't write that yet :) 13:10:18 cool 13:10:21 and it looks like your home box is down again. 13:10:25 u can take a break till i get this wroking :) 13:10:29 tathi no actually its up 13:10:42 but the wireless connection from the main box to the svn server is down 13:10:47 drivers dont work with 2.6.8 13:10:48 grrrr 13:26:08 Back 13:26:27 Had to change both my bike tubes again. >:/ 13:26:40 Both had little thorn punctures that made it through the kevlar-reinforced tires. Damn things. 13:27:05 Anyway, I have a kevlar *belt* that is 1/16" thick sandwiched in between the tires and the tubes now, so hopefully that won't happen again. 13:28:56 damn. where are you riding? 13:29:55 The streets of California. 13:30:16 Specifically, San Diego. 13:30:26 Kearny Mesa if you wanted to get even more precise. 13:31:47 so...there are a lot of sharp things on the streets there? 13:31:50 :) 13:32:51 that's annoying, I don't know that I've ever had to replace a tube from something sharp puncturing it through the tire. 13:34:08 though I've had a few pinch flats from riding through our lovely Eastern Pennsylvania spring potholes 13:36:50 tathi: Think about it: San Diego is green only because we irrigate. If it weren't for irrigation, the Mojave desert would extend right up to the coast line. 13:37:37 right... 13:37:42 As such, we get all sorts of desert plantlife out here, including but not restricted to roses with LOTS of thorns, cactus plants of all shapes and sizes, Palm trees (the underside of the palms have VERY sharp thorns), etc. 13:37:55 Pretty much, if it isn't a weed, it's going to have a thorn somewhere on it. :) 13:37:56 oh. 13:38:35 yikes 13:38:46 if the kevlar belt doesn't work, you'll have to put a steel belt in ;) 13:38:49 --- join: imaginator (~George@georgeps.dsl.xmission.com) joined #forth 13:38:59 Yeah. It's actually bike-hostile here. And city traffic doesn't make things any better, for there is also broken glass, metal shards, and other forms of debris. 13:39:07 Frankly, I'm rather shocked this never happened to me before. 13:39:20 Herkamire: They have 'em, I'm sure. 13:39:35 But, the kevlar is light-weight, and wraps nicely around the tube. 13:40:04 that's pretty cool 13:40:49 the wrap goes once around the inside of the tire? or around the tube a bunch of times? 13:41:14 The wrap is sandwiched between the tire and the tube, like a steel belt in a car tire, but only it's kevlar. 13:41:58 cool, so it goes in a big loop around the spokes 13:42:24 that's a neat idea 13:43:12 Well, around the tube. The spokes don't care one way or the other. :) 14:25:05 --- quit: warpzero ("Tried to warn you about Chino and Daddy Gee, but I can't seem to get to you through the U.S. Mail.") 14:25:47 --- quit: imaginator ("") 14:39:44 --- join: thin (thin@bespin.org) joined #forth 14:39:56 Hi thin 14:40:05 hi robert 14:40:38 hi guys 14:40:45 i have some really cool new features in my ide 14:40:48 i'll make some screenshots in a min. 14:40:57 yay 15:00:33 --- join: tathi_ (~josh@pcp02123722pcs.milfrd01.pa.comcast.net) joined #forth 15:00:50 --- quit: tathi (Nick collision from services.) 15:00:56 --- nick: tathi_ -> tathi 15:09:35 OK, off to food. 15:09:39 back in an hour or so. 15:11:18 --- part: futureX left #forth 15:16:11 --- join: FlamingRain (~Ecoder@c-24-129-95-254.se.client2.attbi.com) joined #forth 15:26:21 --- join: proteusguy (~proteusgu@66.168.185.144) joined #forth 15:26:49 --- join: tathi_ (~josh@pcp02123722pcs.milfrd01.pa.comcast.net) joined #forth 15:26:57 --- quit: tathi (Nick collision from services.) 15:27:00 --- nick: tathi_ -> tathi 15:31:33 --- quit: FlamingRain ("Leaving") 15:37:50 --- join: warpzero (~warpzero@dsl.103.mt.onewest.net) joined #forth 15:41:20 --- quit: tathi ("volleyball") 15:53:13 --- quit: warpzero (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 15:53:49 --- quit: thin ("leaving") 15:55:41 --- join: warpzero (~warpzero@dsl.103.mt.onewest.net) joined #forth 16:34:49 --- quit: I440r_ ("Leaving") 16:36:47 Gotta love the script kiddies: 16:36:47 Tuesday, August 31, 2004 19:10:21 Unrecognized access from 65.95.112.54:3107 to TCP port 135 16:36:47 Tuesday, August 31, 2004 19:10:24 Unrecognized access from 65.95.112.54:3107 to TCP port 135 16:36:47 Tuesday, August 31, 2004 19:10:26 Unrecognized access from 65.94.192.159:3963 to TCP port 135 16:36:47 Tuesday, August 31, 2004 19:10:29 Unrecognized access from 65.94.192.159:3963 to TCP port 135 16:36:47 Tuesday, August 31, 2004 19:10:54 Unrecognized access from 65.95.47.78:4352 to TCP port 135 16:36:49 Tuesday, August 31, 2004 19:10:57 Unrecognized access from 65.95.47.78:4352 to TCP port 135 16:36:51 Tuesday, August 31, 2004 19:11:22 Unrecognized access from 65.95.41.206:3187 to TCP port 135 16:39:14 yeah 16:40:59 --- quit: Herkamire ("bla") 16:43:05 what the fuck is on 135 16:44:11 RPC 16:44:19 oh 16:44:24 wait 16:44:32 you have a publicly accessible rpc port 16:44:54 Er, well it's "epmap DCE endpoint resolution". 16:45:00 And, no of course not. These are firewall logs. 16:45:06 oh right 16:45:18 Though, I opened that port and a few others up briefly one morning, and BAM... trojan, just like that. 16:47:20 thats because its fucking rpc dude 16:47:51 Yeh. Well, I was trying something. :P 17:01:30 --- join: arke (~420f1419@reladm.kharkov.net) joined #forth 17:01:36 hey 17:01:39 ack 17:01:39 lol 17:01:46 im here, and i already gotta leave again ^_^ 17:01:48 brb 17:01:54 --- quit: arke (Client Quit) 17:02:33 --- quit: warpzero ("Tried to warn you about Chino and Daddy Gee, but I can't seem to get to you through the U.S. Mail.") 17:04:44 --- join: arke (~420f1419@reladm.kharkov.net) joined #forth 17:04:51 ok, back :) 17:04:53 kc5tja: hi :) 17:04:55 kc5tja: got my email? 17:04:58 I440r: alive? 17:05:07 * arke won't be here _too_ long.... 17:05:25 --- join: warpzero (~warpzero@dsl.103.mt.onewest.net) joined #forth 17:05:49 i can build madarke yea whussup 17:06:27 hehe 17:06:40 I440r: might I ask what motivated you to rename the binary words in isforth? 17:06:47 I440r: (read: I'm complaining) 17:07:12 like & | ^ ? 17:07:17 i consider those names to be 17:07:21 1: more forthlike 17:07:27 hehe 17:07:30 and 2 well known enough to not be an issue 17:07:37 I440r, those names are from C 17:07:39 I440r, you hate C 17:07:45 more forthlike? 17:07:48 Forth != C :) 17:07:58 your mom is from C 17:08:21 arke, he's trying to be more like visual basic actually 17:08:44 and I don't think they are very forthlike at all. They don't convey at all what they really are (neither do @ and ! but thats another story). 17:08:52 arke forth uses single characters for word names 17:08:57 < and > do convey what they are 17:09:01 as do << and >> 17:09:04 and maybe & 17:09:08 but not | or ^ 17:09:13 or % 17:09:51 Represent something in the way it is best and easiest understood. 17:09:51 sure they do :) 17:09:58 no they don't :) 17:10:05 does @ jump at at you as a squiggle or a "fetch" 17:10:26 just because they're from C doesn't mean that they convey it. 17:10:27 hehehe 17:10:33 I didn't say I liked @ and ! 17:10:48 i do 17:10:50 I do like @ because it means 'at' which basically means 'fetch what is _at_' 17:10:58 not ! though. 17:11:13 I'd rather have source that is a bit more verbose but then readable. 17:11:14 in scheme ! is suffixed onto side-effecting functions 17:11:28 and this is coming from a guy who thinks C is way too spacy :) 17:12:22 : ; make sense in conveying what they do. , c, etc. don't. 17:12:41 So, to summarize 17:12:46 I really hate that change. 17:12:46 :) 17:12:52 I think you should at least offer both. 17:13:08 as in, put the aliases in directly in one of the ./extend files 17:13:57 well the way it is NOW is experimental 17:14:20 I hope you know that you have AT LEAST 1 person complaining. 17:14:20 :) 17:15:14 --- join: FlamingRain (Ecoder@c-24-129-95-254.se.client2.attbi.com) joined #forth 17:15:19 in YOUR source file - create the aliases 17:15:30 or create an alias include file 17:15:33 why? 17:15:39 I could. 17:15:42 and include it in all your projects till i decide weather to keep it or not 17:15:46 its not decided yet 17:16:06 Well, I'm sure you've got probably at least 2 people complaining. 17:16:17 becuase I'm sure sam doesn't like it either ^__^ 17:16:24 now 17:16:28 lets talk about diferent things 17:16:36 such as that nobody sends me any email 17:16:36 :) 17:16:57 not even spammers ? 17:17:07 arke, i can forward you some penis ads 17:17:32 thats not right ! 17:17:33 lol 17:17:53 no 17:17:56 not even spammers 17:17:56 and no 17:17:59 i dont want penis ads 17:18:07 im plenty large already 17:18:07 :) 17:19:53 but send me email peopl 17:19:57 i want to converse with thee 17:20:04 hmmmm 17:20:07 .... 17:20:10 i am stupid 17:20:12 :) 17:21:37 Back for about 30 seconds. 17:21:43 hi kc5tja 17:21:46 Getting ready for another exciting adventure on my bike. 17:21:51 kc5tja: fun ^_^ 17:21:55 kc5tja: school starts tomorrow 17:22:02 kc5tja: and i think i might have figured out IRC from school :P 17:22:03 Yeah, seeing as how I just repaired two flats in a row. >:( 17:22:31 :/ 17:22:31 sucks 17:22:39 kc5tja: read my email? 17:23:24 Yes 17:24:08 did you reply? 17:24:19 No. 17:24:32 I don't think any reply is truely warrented. The question speaks and answers itself. 17:25:29 hmm 17:25:32 what was the question again? 17:25:33 :) 17:25:52 Look in your sent-items folder. :) 17:26:13 :) 17:27:10 gotta reboot 17:27:13 --- quit: I440r ("Leaving") 17:27:56 oh 17:27:57 yeah 17:27:58 :) 17:28:06 that question _does_ answer itslef ^_^ 17:30:20 damn 17:30:35 CGI IRC doesn't work through CGI poxy 17:30:36 :/ 17:36:13 --- quit: FlamingRain ("Leaving") 17:48:08 --- join: I440r (~mark4@216-110-82-59.gen.twtelecom.net) joined #forth 17:48:59 wb I440r 17:49:23 ! 17:50:32 stack underflow 17:51:14 * arke ponders the line "convert linus to forth and have him rewrite the linux kernel from scratch" 17:52:26 :) 17:52:33 actually linus already knows forth 17:52:55 --- quit: warpzero (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17:52:58 seriously? 17:52:59 link? 17:53:10 no link 17:53:17 an email conversation i had with him 17:53:26 he doesnt like languages that dont have types 17:53:54 may I ask what the conversation was about? :P 17:54:04 i dun remember :) 17:54:14 does it have anything to do with coding style? ^__^ 17:58:01 --- join: Herkamire (~jason@h000094d30ba2.ne.client2.attbi.com) joined #forth 17:58:02 --- mode: ChanServ set +o Herkamire 17:58:45 Herkamire! 17:59:30 hi Herkamire 18:01:30 herk! 18:02:44 --- quit: arke ("no fate but what we make") 18:06:36 --- join: warpzero (~warpzero@dsl.103.mt.onewest.net) joined #forth 18:13:40 hi guis 18:14:28 guys 18:14:35 GUIs? 18:14:57 lol 18:15:06 <-- graphical USER 18:17:04 I just had one of those lovely arguments with my gf where no actuall information information is recieved by either party because they are both too dense to figure out what the other person needs to hear in order to proceed 18:18:44 * kc5tja has an image, and I interface with other people, so I suppose I can be a GUI of sorts too... 18:19:48 kc5 at least you HAVE a gf 18:20:08