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06:56:44 <qFox> hohoho
06:57:10 <qFox> i'm back, well, temp
06:57:22 <qFox> getting adsl the 24th
06:57:29 * qFox pokes Robert
07:00:54 <qFox> hm
07:02:36 <qFox> Robert> i did some testing and my forth is considerably slower then F is. where F can do a : test 1000000 for next ; in <1 second, my forth is much slower (i dont know the exact number of zero's)
07:02:48 <qFox> so i'm not sure whether to continue on the project
07:03:09 <qFox> and um. i gtg, just at a friends house now :)
07:03:10 <qFox> later.
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14:26:14 <Robert> Hey I4404__ 
14:26:30 <Robert> You should use "i4004" as your secondary nick instead. Really.
14:26:48 <Robert> Maybe i4004(R) :P
14:27:05 <Robert> Or is it a small (r)? Can't ever remember.
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15:52:08 <slava> hey
15:57:46 <jDoctor> yooo slava
15:58:04 <jDoctor> iiiiiits slavaaaa!
16:00:31 <crc> Hello  slava
16:06:27 <slava> what's new in the forth world
16:07:22 <jDoctor> <<that means 'nothing'>>
16:08:36 <slava> i went for a bike ride today...
16:08:40 <slava> just got home
16:08:54 <jDoctor> for a sec I thought "there should be a #factor". then I was like.. nah, too new. but maybe it'd be a #langauges
16:09:07 <slava> there is #esoteric i think
16:09:12 <slava> they discuss brainfuck and such
16:09:22 <jDoctor> slava: you mean a bicycle or a motorized vehicle?
16:09:28 <slava> jDoctor, pedals that my feet turn
16:09:32 <slava> so yes, motorized in a sense
16:09:39 <jDoctor> hehe
16:09:50 <jDoctor> you're kinda old for that, dude
16:10:15 <jDoctor> you need a harly with a factor driven "fuzzy logic" throttle, etc.
16:11:52 <slava> you're weird
16:12:20 <jDoctor> damn right. you gotta see the plans for my VW Beetle
16:14:07 <slava> i bet you'll make a java gui for driving it (it won't go above 15 km/h)
16:14:30 <jDoctor> wouldnt be java anymore. maybe java prototyped
16:14:39 <slava> ms-dos?
16:15:21 <jDoctor> nah, man . by the time that'd be done , I'll do it in Context. C-Context, Objective-C, ASM.. something 
16:15:27 <jDoctor> right ontop of a linux kernel
16:15:54 <jDoctor> oh, but the Xbox would be in thre
16:16:04 <jDoctor> s/thre/there
16:17:48 <jDoctor> oh. wait.. he was joking..
16:17:51 <jDoctor> haha
16:18:07 <slava> playing xbox while driving?
16:18:09 <slava> not a good idea
16:18:19 <jDoctor> nah, its for my GF
16:18:22 <jDoctor> and others
16:19:05 <jDoctor> the glovebox holds the controllers
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16:45:09 <slava> jDoctor, p/m
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17:43:15 <slava> hi I440
17:44:10 <I440r> hi
17:44:21 <I440r> some asshole has been trying to root me for like 3 days lol
17:44:35 <I440r> every few hours from a different IP he keeps trying to log in
17:44:59 <I440r> total freekin LAMER lol
17:45:46 <slava> heh
17:45:56 <slava> hey i have a q
17:46:02 <slava> is there a quick way to check if an fd has reached eof
17:51:49 <I440r> yes
17:51:58 <I440r> read 1 byte and see how many bytes you have read
17:53:09 <I440r> if its zero you should check errno to see if its FEOF or something
17:56:02 <I440r> is that good enough ?
17:59:17 <slava> but i don't want to 'unread' that byte
18:00:05 <I440r> hmm
18:00:24 <I440r> well you dont get an EOF till you try reading beyond the end of the file i think
18:00:35 <I440r> i.e. reading the last byte doesnt eof you
18:00:39 <I440r> i dont think
18:00:46 <slava> you're right
18:00:51 <slava> i can keep an EOF flag myself
18:00:55 <slava> i was wondering if that was redundant
18:01:46 <I440r> well. you dont need to.a dn you dont need an unread
18:02:03 <I440r> just read your data and if you have any data process it otherwise your at eof
18:02:31 <I440r> begin readfile #bytes while process-data repeat close-file
18:02:55 <I440r> or just begin readfile while process-data repeat
18:03:10 <slava> this is async io
18:03:22 <I440r> lol
18:03:25 <I440r> true
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18:17:52 <I440r> Aug 14 18:55:57 mark4 sshd[5942]: Failed password for illegal user test from 140.111.142.130 port 60897 ssh2
18:17:53 <I440r> lol
19:07:32 <I440r> im bored 
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20:21:27 <jDoctor> anyone here?
20:24:05 <superdupr> yeah me
20:24:22 <superdupr> 19 years old from Canada, you?
20:25:37 <jDoctor> 16
20:25:42 <jDoctor> from manassas, Virginia
20:26:01 <jDoctor> superdupr: check this out. you know much about parsers ?
20:26:39 <superdupr> what do you have? =)
20:26:50 <jDoctor> the general subject, really. I'm making my own programming language and I came to a halt at this decision
20:27:21 <superdupr> ok i can show you real quick all the most powerful stuff around in the forth world, that i came into contact with, that is
20:27:35 <superdupr> what's on your mind?
20:27:51 <superdupr> i mean the question you have to get you going?
20:28:00 <jDoctor> um. well, ok. I have a state machine scanning my code, followin me?
20:28:36 <superdupr> state machine, you mean a small set of conditions, small runs at high freuqnecy
20:28:46 <jDoctor> yup yup. 
20:28:47 <superdupr> i know assembly but no c
20:28:56 <superdupr> i can read your code if you have some
20:29:10 <superdupr> i got some stuff posted on flatassembler's board
20:29:18 <jDoctor> ok, so it is looped over my characters and the guy that loops it waits for it to report that it has parsed a whole command.
20:29:41 <jDoctor> well, I have code, but dont know if I wanna.. well.. hold on, I'll see if you're worthy first.
20:29:52 <superdupr> you should process the keyboard directly, perhaps
20:30:21 <jDoctor> oh god that's a cool idea. but it doesnt matter right now, it just takes whole strings. chill, this is my Q:
20:30:23 <superdupr> if you are worthy...tssss ;p
20:30:45 <superdupr> ok bring it on
20:30:54 <superdupr> dont watse that precious Q
20:30:57 <superdupr> waste*
20:31:18 <superdupr> quick, or I will steal it ;p
20:31:49 <jDoctor> hm. ok ok, lemme hint you with code, cause english doesnt do it
20:32:10 <jDoctor> Im making the parser in java as a prototype and THIS is my q:
20:32:13 <jDoctor> answer=commit(parse(commands[x]));
20:32:15 <jDoctor> or
20:32:30 <jDoctor> answer=commit(parse(what));
20:32:33 <superdupr> sorry, dont know java
20:32:40 <superdupr> cant talk that language, sorry ;p
20:32:44 <jDoctor> in other words, do I collect the functions I need to do in an array first
20:32:58 <jDoctor> and commit them when I'm done collecting?
20:33:03 <jDoctor> or do I commit them as I collect
20:33:09 <superdupr> i dunno
20:33:27 <jDoctor> the problem with commiting code as you collect is that you might not of collected a function that is referred to!
20:33:54 <superdupr> sorry i dont get it...
20:33:58 <jDoctor> in my lang, I have periods at the end of every command you want committed. and if you dont put a period, you are refering to it
20:34:04 <jDoctor> ok I need to slow down
20:34:11 <superdupr> do you know assembly?
20:34:16 <jDoctor> +(3,4). // adds 3 and 4
20:34:23 <jDoctor> superdupr: no not really
20:34:31 <jDoctor> I know what it is though.. I mean.. why ask?
20:34:41 <superdupr> does your language take care of writing the actual jumps or call?
20:35:25 <jDoctor> gimme an example of code that DOES take care of this, and some that doesnt..
20:35:29 <jDoctor> what do you mean.
20:35:32 <superdupr> i mean do you know enough pc assembly to do something about the shit that is happening in the whole IT industry?
20:35:38 <superdupr> ok
20:35:56 <superdupr> i dont remeber my opcodes
20:36:04 <jDoctor> I know enough comp sci to do something about the whole industry, yes.
20:36:11 <jDoctor> haha. I have a book, superdupr 
20:36:14 <jDoctor> whatcha lookin for
20:36:22 <superdupr> call and jump 32 opcodes
20:36:24 <superdupr> for x86
20:36:27 <superdupr> please ;p
20:36:32 <superdupr> also push imm32
20:36:46 <superdupr> call imm32 jump imm32 also jump imm8
20:36:59 <superdupr> we're gonna build a JIT compiler for your language
20:37:13 <jDoctor> whoa. why do I not believe you
20:37:18 <superdupr> ret is c3h?
20:37:33 <superdupr> ok lets try this
20:37:40 <superdupr> call1 call2 ret
20:37:58 <superdupr> call1 jump2
20:38:11 <superdupr> simple optimization
20:38:15 <superdupr> enable loops easly
20:38:32 <jDoctor> id find these in a list for intel instruction set, right?
20:38:40 <superdupr> in a forth dictionary, when you know you are gonna write in machine code many little procedures
20:38:51 <superdupr> yeah the three PDFs
20:38:57 <superdupr> i dont have them right now
20:39:00 <superdupr> im not on my machine
20:39:17 <superdupr> and id rather talk about electricity
20:39:18 <superdupr> ;ppp
20:39:28 <jDoctor> so uh. what do you wanna know about these
20:39:40 <superdupr> the actual bytes
20:39:53 <superdupr> what you need
20:39:57 <superdupr> to actually build a compiler
20:40:03 <jDoctor> odiszapc ?
20:40:24 <jDoctor> dude I barely know what I'm talkin about. lets talk electricity if you want
20:40:30 <superdupr> for a flat pmode 32 bit x86 barebone compiler
20:40:33 <superdupr> ok
20:40:46 <superdupr> i want to build great stuff
20:40:56 <superdupr> just bought documentation from Eagle research
20:41:27 <jDoctor> okee. dude, what are your plans
20:41:33 <superdupr> http://www.eagle-research.com/
20:41:55 <superdupr> to understand whats going on, to be able to build my own computer
20:42:00 <superdupr> just like Chuck did
20:42:13 <superdupr> but doing the whole thing in a basement
20:42:17 <jDoctor> well, superdupr 
20:42:22 <jDoctor> your own architecture?
20:42:35 <superdupr> architecures are all done, well almost
20:42:36 <jDoctor> or out of everyday x86 standard things
20:42:42 <superdupr> i want processes
20:42:47 <superdupr> anything
20:42:49 <superdupr> voodoo code
20:42:53 <jDoctor> whaa?
20:42:55 <superdupr> nop for an architecture
20:42:57 <jDoctor> this dude is insane
20:42:58 <superdupr> jump for another
20:43:00 <superdupr> lol
20:43:04 <superdupr> read phrack ;p
20:43:07 <jDoctor> did youI do
20:43:09 <jDoctor> aosdfhas
20:43:12 <jDoctor> I DO
20:43:20 <jDoctor> I read phrack for lock picking
20:43:25 <jDoctor> dude you have my fingers tied
20:43:36 <superdupr> i lockpicked locks
20:43:39 <superdupr> too
20:43:40 <jDoctor> I read 2600 and will write articles for them too
20:43:53 <superdupr> i want to build a website
20:44:00 <jDoctor> out of what
20:44:03 <superdupr> with advanced science explained
20:44:09 <superdupr> programming languages for the kids
20:44:17 <superdupr> advanced projects costing nothing
20:44:25 <superdupr> using free energy
20:44:30 <jDoctor> jsp? php? slava has a language that has a good api for making sites
20:44:32 <superdupr> free energy as in good engineering
20:44:40 <superdupr> just plain HTML
20:44:44 <superdupr> xhtml
20:44:46 <jDoctor> were you locked in a box your whole life?
20:44:51 <superdupr> refreshed
20:44:51 <superdupr> by the server
20:44:51 <superdupr> ;p
20:44:55 <superdupr> written in assembly
20:45:11 <jDoctor> you like searching for energy ay?
20:45:11 <superdupr> able to respect timing for the client, or implanting in them some code
20:45:28 <jDoctor> all we need to do is use solar panels
20:45:30 <superdupr> voodoo exploit code, easy way to phrase it
20:45:35 <superdupr> yeah
20:45:41 <superdupr> do you know SYLCELL
20:45:42 <superdupr> ?
20:45:50 <superdupr> on keelynet?
20:46:01 <jDoctor> exploits arent all that cool anymore.. making unexpliotable code is. it's like exploiting the fact that to err is human
20:46:08 <jDoctor> no
20:46:09 <superdupr> i agree completely
20:46:22 <superdupr> exploited coide is stupid
20:46:34 <superdupr> should be handcoded, sensible all along
20:46:38 <superdupr> in its entirety
20:46:46 <jDoctor> yes
20:46:48 <superdupr> for most people who figure the color code ;p
20:46:52 <superdupr> its possible
20:46:55 <superdupr> give me code
20:47:01 <superdupr> to program a ethernet card
20:47:04 <jDoctor> no. you are too damn fast
20:47:06 <jDoctor> gimme code
20:47:08 <superdupr> i give you the simplest barest server
20:47:13 <jDoctor> you want code?
20:47:17 <superdupr> its an open call ;ppp
20:47:19 <jDoctor> http://openflight.sf.net
20:47:20 <jDoctor> there
20:47:56 <superdupr> is it yours?
20:48:16 <jDoctor> yah
20:48:22 <superdupr> ok so you got java skills
20:48:32 <jDoctor> yah. and I'm using them to leave java
20:48:39 <superdupr> them?
20:48:43 <superdupr> ok the skills
20:48:49 <superdupr> great
20:48:59 <superdupr> lets work together then lol
20:49:03 <jDoctor> on what?
20:49:09 <jDoctor> I'm settled
20:49:12 <superdupr> on revolutionyzing the world
20:49:20 <jDoctor> if you can code greatly, you may help me
20:49:26 <jDoctor> make a set of libs for my lang
20:49:34 <jDoctor> but it is barely done!
20:49:40 <superdupr> adam.d.marquis (at) usherbrooke.ca
20:50:05 <superdupr> not sure if im going to the udeSherbrooke
20:50:07 <jDoctor> rex.k.forx @ manassas, again
20:50:19 <jDoctor> ford. damn
20:50:23 <jDoctor> I cant spell my own name
20:50:26 <I440r> lol
20:50:35 <I440r> ik can type 25 WRONG words per minute!
20:51:04 <jDoctor> dude, I440r , is superdupr  a commoner here?
20:51:16 <superdupr> i come and go, faint contact
20:51:24 <superdupr> I know theres potential here
20:51:35 <superdupr> i rarely have the time to put my ideas into practice
20:51:46 <jDoctor> well what do you do? I see you appear to be talented, but if you really were, you'd know what you wanna do, and wouldnt be looking for other projects to jump into
20:51:50 <superdupr> although we all have the same time ;p
20:52:04 <superdupr> im the 1000 projects guy
20:52:06 <superdupr> lol
20:52:19 <superdupr> really, if im laughing out loud
20:52:24 <superdupr> its because its true ;ppp
20:52:54 <superdupr> anyway, everybody knows (delightful song...) we can program, nobody does it
20:53:08 <jDoctor> thats a song?!
20:53:10 <superdupr> i read Seymour Papert, the LOGO& turtle graphics guy
20:53:25 <superdupr> listen to Pump Up the Volume
20:53:28 <superdupr> the movie with Christian Slater
20:53:31 <I440r> he has been semi regular here :)
20:53:46 <I440r> ive seen him before a few times. i would class him as a #forther now :)
20:53:58 <superdupr> its opening song, at his pirate radio, is "everybody knows...." lots of things ;p 
20:54:17 <superdupr> yay, thanks from the bottom of my heart =)
20:54:25 <jDoctor> cool. just checkin that he isnt a kid who is just happy he can type fast and spit out random words from daddy's computer books
20:54:29 <superdupr> its great to hear from you, see the effort of kc5tja taking form
20:54:59 <superdupr> so much potential here.... nothings happening im truly insane
20:55:04 <superdupr> no joke ;p
20:55:16 <jDoctor> superdupr: ok. so look, lemme tell you my deal, ay?
20:55:41 <superdupr> k
20:55:51 <jDoctor> I am working on this parser, and , yes, it is in java, but that doesnt matter.
20:56:01 <jDoctor> it will be redone in something like C
20:56:12 * jDoctor lets his fingers cool off...
20:56:46 <jDoctor> ok. I recouped. my lang is like this:
20:56:54 <jDoctor> +(5,6). // returns 11
20:57:09 <jDoctor> +(5,6) // only refers to that function!
20:57:24 <superdupr> you stack the operation
20:57:27 <jDoctor> exec(+(5,6)). //is the same as +(5,6).
20:57:29 <superdupr> awaiting reduction?
20:57:38 <superdupr> k i got this part
20:57:49 <jDoctor> there is no stack known to the programmer
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20:58:34 <jDoctor> *(+(3,4).,+(2,2).).
20:58:38 <jDoctor> what do you think that returns?
20:59:00 <superdupr> 28
20:59:10 <jDoctor> yey. ok so thats my syntax.
20:59:13 <jDoctor> no sugar
20:59:19 <superdupr> ok look at mine
20:59:22 <superdupr> i write a word
20:59:24 <superdupr> space
20:59:32 <jDoctor> heh. I know this one
20:59:33 <superdupr> boum searched in a linked list backward
20:59:50 <jDoctor> boum ?
20:59:54 <superdupr> if not there, appended on top or at the end whatever
21:00:01 <superdupr> BouM!
21:00:02 <superdupr> ;p
21:00:26 <superdupr> actually what i will be describing to you look a lot like AHA by jeff Fox
21:00:43 <superdupr> are you familiar with the material at ultratechnology.com?
21:00:50 <jDoctor> ok, so you have a concious stack
21:00:54 <jDoctor> the programmer knows about the stack
21:00:57 <jDoctor> and he deals with it
21:01:02 <jDoctor> she, maybe.
21:01:05 <superdupr> =)
21:01:20 <jDoctor> you might like factor, which learns much from forth
21:01:28 <jDoctor> http://factor.sf.net . 
21:01:43 <jDoctor> it's slava's work. it is that very syntax from what I see you saying
21:01:47 <superdupr> didnt know that one
21:02:23 <jDoctor> well, its not like they teach it in college. its just now got the gc done flawless and there are still api's building for it
21:03:22 <superdupr> looks complex
21:03:46 <superdupr> i became kinda stupid by looking too long at ultratechnology's material
21:03:53 <superdupr> and I actually like it
21:03:57 <jDoctor> mine is much more natural to a poor programmer. factor relies on the programmer being the parser
21:03:59 <superdupr> it makes me appreciate simple things
21:04:30 <superdupr> do you know AHA?
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21:04:34 <arke> hi hi hi hi hi
21:04:45 <superdupr> its really the cutting edge of forth along with colorforth
21:04:46 <superdupr> hi
21:04:59 <jDoctor> AHA? yah its a syntax humans use to signify different types of laughter
21:05:13 <arke> :P
21:05:13 <jDoctor> HAHAHAA
21:05:33 <arke> i read about AHA, i think its great. Although i don't think its available right now
21:05:54 <superdupr> jDoctor
21:06:01 <jDoctor> superdupr: 
21:06:06 <jDoctor> ...
21:06:18 <superdupr> ok let say each of the words in this line are indexes into a table
21:06:43 <superdupr> each one of them simply exist as index, some into the dictionary some into the macro table
21:06:51 <superdupr> macros are simple atomic operations, the forth vm in some way
21:07:04 <superdupr> the dictionary is let say a 128 items array
21:07:09 <superdupr> all zeroed
21:07:18 <superdupr> so when an index of a macro is encountered
21:07:24 <superdupr> by the compiler
21:07:31 <superdupr> it jumps into the macro table
21:07:37 <superdupr> a defined word index
21:07:43 <superdupr> and a definition
21:07:47 <superdupr> are the same thing
21:07:54 <superdupr> the first reference is the definition
21:08:02 <superdupr> when the indexed fetch occur
21:08:02 <jDoctor> ya
21:08:11 <superdupr> 0? then ....
21:08:21 <superdupr> a simple conditional test
21:08:26 <superdupr> even two can be performed
21:08:31 <superdupr> by shifting right
21:08:35 <superdupr> 2*
21:08:41 <superdupr> since carry and sign are updated
21:08:51 <superdupr> to get an address just shift it again
21:09:13 <superdupr> so any token length get two bits
21:09:27 <superdupr> before becoming itself a 32bit dword address
21:09:37 <superdupr> 2bits = 4 type of words
21:09:46 <arke> :)
21:09:54 <superdupr> so a whole word can be made into a token
21:09:56 <superdupr> 8bit
21:10:00 <superdupr> really fast compiling
21:10:05 <superdupr> millions of words per second
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21:10:12 <superdupr> ISR can be compiled
21:10:18 <superdupr> ISRoutines
21:10:20 <jDoctor> superdupr: this why you into asm?
21:10:25 <superdupr> yeah
21:10:37 <superdupr> to respect my ideals of truly understanding whats going on
21:10:44 <arke> :)
21:10:47 <jDoctor> well you got me beat. I'll be at that level a couple months from now
21:10:48 <superdupr> thats whyI will try to go into electrical engineering
21:10:55 <superdupr> not computer engineering ;p
21:11:05 <superdupr> i assure you not
21:11:06 <jDoctor> superdupr: I know some EE
21:11:13 <superdupr> ok then look at distinti.com
21:11:16 <jDoctor> you assure me not ay?
21:11:21 <superdupr> his recent qvb paper is great!!
21:11:37 <superdupr> lets talk, you are still young
21:11:55 <superdupr> all the stuff i distilled i can try to awaken in you
21:12:04 <arke> i wanna learn EE :)
21:12:05 <superdupr> no one can teach anything
21:12:06 <jDoctor> superdupr: its like the turtle and achilles... I'll be at your level a couple months from now
21:12:09 <superdupr> me too
21:12:10 <jDoctor> you will be further
21:12:24 * superdupr yells like a little blondie girl: to do like my hero!!! =)
21:12:43 <jDoctor> its something I learn from GEB.
21:12:59 * superdupr is truly amazed by Chuck,s realization, and wants to beat him lol
21:13:22 <superdupr> GEB?
21:13:31 <jDoctor> godel, escher, bach
21:13:36 <jDoctor> by a guy named douglas
21:13:41 <jDoctor> it is a bible for us
21:13:50 <jDoctor> nothing more needs to be said.
21:14:19 <jDoctor> superdupr: making a microkernel?!
21:14:23 <jDoctor> I'
21:14:29 * arke is
21:14:36 <superdupr> i did a homework on godel, the teacher gave 18/20 as 100%, did it one night and got 19/20=)
21:14:44 <arke> well, more of a nanokernel. :)
21:14:44 <jDoctor> I'll sit my interpreter on your microkernel or anything non linux and we can make a product..
21:15:06 <superdupr> microkernel..... I want to reverse my desknote bios!
21:15:22 <superdupr> or program my gamecube
21:15:31 <jDoctor> I hacked my xbox
21:15:36 <jDoctor> runs debian now
21:15:37 <superdupr> the specs for the boot process are uou, from gamecube linux project
21:15:45 <superdupr> how?
21:15:56 <jDoctor> the "mech assault hack"
21:16:01 <superdupr> kk
21:16:14 <jDoctor> anyway, dude. I'm about to get back to coding
21:16:23 <superdupr> coding what?
21:16:25 <jDoctor> no one can answer my q, so I'll just answer it myself
21:16:32 <jDoctor> this interpreter in java!
21:16:35 <superdupr> dont lose your time, young padawan ;p
21:16:41 <jDoctor> my language.. forgot already?
21:16:56 <superdupr> better off listening to the AHA presentation
21:17:05 <superdupr> outlines forth history
21:17:27 <superdupr> + really kicks ass on the f21, easly adaptable to other stuff, like x86
21:17:31 <jDoctor> yah? cool. I'm interested, but my fuzzy logic puts my own code above that presentation.
21:17:41 <superdupr> hehe
21:17:50 <superdupr> if you need
21:17:55 <superdupr> some realtime code generation
21:17:57 <superdupr> ....
21:18:02 <superdupr> wonder if its possible in java
21:18:10 <superdupr> compile then paste into the clipboard
21:18:16 <jDoctor> it is. especially through jfactor
21:18:30 <jDoctor> java has reflection. runtime metaprogramming
21:18:34 <superdupr> i mean really playing with opcode bytes
21:18:51 <superdupr> like colorforth does
21:18:53 <jDoctor> not easily
21:19:33 <superdupr> what at the end of your email, .com?
21:19:46 <jDoctor> yah.. 
21:20:13 <jDoctor> dude, I use hotmail. I'm genna run my own email server at www.endswith.net
21:20:18 <jDoctor> endswith.net leads to my ip
21:20:23 <jDoctor> get it!?
21:20:32 <jDoctor> ends with dot net!
21:20:38 <arke> :P
21:21:49 <superdupr> haha, i wish to have my 100% secure server written in my own language... *sigh*
21:22:06 <jDoctor> whats your lang, superdupr ?
21:22:34 <arke> my lang is forth.:)
21:22:36 <superdupr> tokenized forth
21:22:49 <superdupr> 5 colors
21:22:52 <jDoctor> forth isnt tokenized?
21:22:59 <jDoctor> <-- doesnt know.. any.. forth
21:23:04 <jDoctor> but everyone here is cool
21:23:11 <superdupr> forth is just a big simplification attempt
21:23:38 <arke> hmm.
21:23:44 <arke> i would prefer 8 colors
21:23:46 <superdupr> tired of naming stuff? like variables etc, tired of not understanding everything? well, i tried forth
21:24:09 <jDoctor> I understand perfectly
21:24:12 <superdupr> and it gave me objects-to-think-with
21:24:39 <superdupr> yeah, but 8 would require a table jump to get a uniform 5 bit space throughout the tokens
21:25:20 <arke> 8 is more flexibility and lets itself be represented well in exactly 3 bits
21:25:36 <arke> and jump tables are nice - mask, add, jump. simple, fast.
21:26:07 <superdupr> yep
21:26:23 <superdupr> faster perhaps than using the flags
21:26:27 <superdupr> and doing shifts
21:26:36 * jDoctor sneaks away
21:26:52 <superdupr> see ya!
21:27:19 <arke> :)
21:27:28 <jDoctor> yah superdupr , you're cool. if you are ever bored to death, I got some stuff you can look at
21:27:32 <jDoctor> maybe laugh at
21:27:33 <jDoctor> iono
21:28:25 * arke 's forth will have 8 colors. 
21:28:26 <superdupr> idem for me
21:28:37 <jDoctor> idem?
21:28:45 <superdupr> same thing
21:28:58 <jDoctor> . . .
21:29:04 <superdupr> sorry, from Quebec ;p soem french sprayed gently here and here ;p
21:29:21 <jDoctor> thats awesome. 
21:29:32 <superdupr> idem=identique=same thing, got code too to show
21:29:37 <superdupr> assembly code
21:29:38 <jDoctor> I am thinking about hanging out up in canada. I like snowboarding and canada is calm
21:29:41 <superdupr> posted at flatassembler
21:30:06 <superdupr> great idea
21:30:18 <superdupr> US will soon enter civil war
21:30:20 <superdupr> ;ppp
21:31:03 <superdupr> johntitor.com
21:31:03 <arke> yay
21:31:06 * arke hates USA
21:31:07 <arke> :/
21:31:08 <superdupr> this website is great!
21:31:10 <arke> fasm is great.
21:31:22 <superdupr> yep
21:31:27 <superdupr> with the listing patch
21:31:28 <superdupr> ;p
21:31:33 <arke> :)
21:31:43 * arke is using gas for his latest project though
21:32:58 <superdupr> jdoctor: come change the world here, will be easier in Canada =)
21:33:17 <arke> :)
21:33:21 <jDoctor> you're really up for changing the world
21:33:25 <jDoctor> and it industry
21:33:25 <superdupr> im about to be able to shake things, I sense it
21:33:36 <superdupr> it must be done, really
21:33:36 <superdupr> cars
21:33:42 <superdupr> electricity
21:33:44 <jDoctor> cons
21:33:45 <superdupr> knowledge
21:33:53 <superdupr> yeah they are all over the place
21:34:01 <superdupr> we live by doing cons
21:34:06 <jDoctor> superdupr: dude, there are 6 billion of you. you're just the most hyper one.
21:34:18 <superdupr> its fun on the net
21:34:32 <jDoctor> you know what I thought of once?
21:34:37 <jDoctor> optical motherboard
21:34:43 <superdupr> yeah
21:34:55 <jDoctor> but it was thought of before I was even born
21:34:56 <superdupr> me too, somewhat, optical computer
21:35:02 <superdupr> yeah lol
21:35:06 <jDoctor> it takes money
21:35:12 <superdupr> bah
21:35:16 <superdupr> just heat copper
21:35:24 <superdupr> the oxyde layer will be light sensitive
21:35:31 <superdupr> just put a salty water drop on top
21:35:35 <superdupr> with a wire inside
21:35:40 <superdupr> to complete the circuit
21:35:46 <superdupr> perhaps act like a lens
21:35:48 <jDoctor> hehe
21:35:52 <jDoctor> I did that project
21:35:59 <superdupr> (taken from Spark, Bang, Buzz)
21:36:21 <superdupr> I wish to build computers at home using scratch components
21:36:32 <jDoctor> nah
21:36:37 <jDoctor> it takes cad or something 
21:36:39 <jDoctor> to do it well
21:36:45 <superdupr> like homemade integrated circuits
21:37:03 <jDoctor> I can do that stuff, but not nearly at the level of today's computers
21:37:12 <jDoctor> pcb's are fun
21:37:17 <superdupr> the novix is 4000 gates
21:37:25 <arke> er?
21:37:31 <arke> that seems like not enough
21:37:34 <superdupr> it tempts me, printing 4000 gates to get a computerà
21:37:39 <arke> 3 memory lanes ..... :/
21:37:45 <arke> (or however you call those)
21:37:50 <superdupr> parallel buses, ok its hacked to death
21:38:06 <superdupr> but im sure its doable
21:38:09 <superdupr> and at resonnance
21:38:17 <superdupr> so it wont consume electricity
21:38:36 <superdupr> no destructive current flow
21:38:48 <superdupr> only shuffling inside the system
21:38:56 <superdupr> will it be ever possible? ;p
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21:39:38 <superdupr> I saw electrical resonnance with my own two eyes (inside a homeamde 10meters bifilar coil) and now I can't let it go
21:39:39 <jDoctor> the photonic processor would be able to run itself somewhat
21:40:00 <jDoctor> superdupr: whoa. so people make their own computers this way?
21:40:31 <superdupr> maybe who knows 
21:40:39 <superdupr> I know I want =)
21:41:22 <jDoctor> superdupr: what is better than an array of bits?
21:41:32 <superdupr> array of words
21:41:32 <jDoctor> as memory*
21:41:47 <superdupr> physical memory?
21:41:52 <jDoctor> ya
21:42:22 <superdupr> store a precise voltage, from 0 to 1024 volts in 1/1024 volts increments
21:42:22 <jDoctor> you must have the link to physics as the primitive to the memory. and I wonder if there are things better than on-off bits..
21:42:32 <jDoctor> wow. thats good.
21:42:43 <jDoctor> it would only fry my machine
21:42:53 <arke> jDoctor: quantum technology. wait about 7 more years
21:42:54 <superdupr> to get a one megabit ball
21:43:11 <superdupr> yeah, and we still dont know how it will work
21:43:38 <jDoctor> I think nothing beats light
21:43:58 <jDoctor> we need mirrors that trigger .. or triggered prisms
21:44:00 <jDoctor> or something!
21:44:48 <superdupr> just molecules, by absorbing
21:44:52 <superdupr> light
21:45:00 <superdupr> by becoming opaque to certain frequency
21:45:07 <jDoctor> oh. I was going for micro mechanics
21:45:10 <superdupr> kk
21:45:13 <superdupr> like mems
21:45:15 <jDoctor> and simple mazes of optical mirrors
21:45:31 <jDoctor> but molecular wins.
21:45:32 <superdupr> what i dremed to do
21:45:35 <superdupr> dreamed
21:45:40 <superdupr> is chemistry with light
21:45:50 <jDoctor> hm? optics?
21:45:53 <superdupr> do you know how a spectrograph works?
21:45:58 <jDoctor> ya
21:46:05 <jDoctor> roygbv, etc.
21:46:25 <superdupr> imagine that at the peak frequency for let say carbon-carbon link
21:46:37 <superdupr> a laser light flood the sample
21:46:52 <superdupr> to give the chemical link so much energy that it breaks
21:47:15 <superdupr> perhaps giving enough energy to catalyse a bonding reaction, who knows
21:47:24 <jDoctor> slick
21:47:30 <superdupr> its so simple and crazy, im sure it would work
21:47:37 <superdupr> need a tunable laser
21:47:37 <jDoctor> you wanna connect, and reconnect carbon via frequencies?
21:47:41 <superdupr> at the CNRC in canada
21:47:44 <jDoctor> can this be done on any sense, superdupr ?
21:48:14 <superdupr> im sure it can be done
21:48:21 <superdupr> a tunable laser is possible
21:48:25 <jDoctor> I'd setup an expir for it
21:48:27 <superdupr> with piezoelectronics
21:48:29 <jDoctor> and write the resolults
21:48:30 <superdupr> micron displacement
21:48:45 <superdupr> ok, we need to do that to master light
21:48:46 <superdupr> lol
21:48:50 <jDoctor> I usually dont do expirements unless i'm forced to gain useful information via paradoxes
21:49:30 <superdupr> what we would need is a laser able to be tuned (or modulated?) to a certain color, frequency whatever
21:49:40 <superdupr> and a working spectograph to modify
21:49:58 <jDoctor> superdupr: you speak of light, including sub-visible and super, right?
21:50:46 <jDoctor> oh, superdupr, I wonder if we can focus magnetism
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21:51:13 <superdupr> re
21:51:17 <jDoctor> and if there are any ways to bend magnetism or have any control over a magnet's affect without messing with the source.
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21:51:26 <superdupr> easy to control a magnet
21:51:41 <jDoctor> how..
21:51:47 <superdupr> www.internetfred.com
21:51:47 <superdupr> look at the MSIG
21:51:47 <superdupr> at the left
21:51:54 <jDoctor> I'm talkin about focusing it like light through a lense
21:52:03 <superdupr> magnetism
21:52:11 <superdupr> ok
21:52:11 <superdupr> hmmm
21:52:31 <superdupr> you can change its path
21:52:33 <superdupr> in a core
21:52:57 <superdupr> lets say you have a t core
21:53:39 <superdupr> with small coils on the T you can direct magnetism coming from the bottom
21:53:42 <superdupr> parallel path technology, by Flyn, flinn , cant remember
21:53:52 <superdupr> but magnetism isnt that great
21:54:12 <superdupr> to power stuff
21:54:30 <superdupr> anyway
21:54:46 <superdupr> nonsense coming down the road so ill stop here
21:54:59 <superdupr> btw my previously stated idea is surely already been done
21:55:12 <superdupr> but im sure we can do this at home
21:55:23 <superdupr> syntetising LSD, THC, Exctasy, psyloscibin, etc
21:55:33 <superdupr> right when we need them
21:55:48 <superdupr> and even if that would be enough
21:55:48 <jDoctor> superdupr: 
21:55:53 <superdupr> the DigiBio Patent
21:56:26 <jDoctor> my idea when I was like 10 was to put electromagnets on the top of the cylendars of an engine. you change the pistons to be iron
21:56:33 <jDoctor> see where that leads?
21:56:37 <superdupr> that takes enzymes as little antennas in water, the research on enzymes done by eric reiter at unquantum.com
21:57:09 <superdupr> yeas
21:57:09 <superdupr> yes*
21:57:09 <superdupr> a guy removed the spark plug
21:57:09 <superdupr> and used compressed air
21:57:09 <superdupr> it worked, its patented, lee rogers is the guy's name
21:57:15 <superdupr> 2 patents
21:57:24 <jDoctor> superdupr: it lead to my quest to focus magnetism
21:57:40 <jDoctor> so that one piston's going up will not affect another's going down
21:57:56 <superdupr> why not change the whole engine?
21:58:00 <superdupr> imagine your idea
21:58:04 <superdupr> on a Bourke engine
21:58:23 <superdupr> simplest piston engine of all
21:58:29 <superdupr> 20 000 rpm
21:58:35 <superdupr> never change the oil
21:58:41 <superdupr> 2 moving parts, aside from the valves
21:59:35 <jDoctor> the pistons have linear movement... I wanted to focue magnetism for their target to be stuck in linear travel
21:59:45 <jDoctor> not circular like a normal elec motor
21:59:54 <jDoctor> I dont know anything about bourke
21:59:56 <superdupr> look at the bourke engine
22:00:22 <superdupr> http://bourke-engine.com/VLB
22:01:19 <superdupr> the very lean burn engine is close to the simple best explosion engine, aside maybe Tesla's turbines imo
22:01:31 <jDoctor> I could also make the pistons magnets, and just find an algorithm for a commutator that charges the electomagets on the top of the cylendars and the ones in the pistons to have the least resistance with eachother
22:01:41 <jDoctor> or to even have assistance with eachother
22:01:55 <jDoctor> but I could never concentrate on that algorithm 
22:02:14 <superdupr> so dont bother
22:02:35 <jDoctor> hehe. I stopped playing with that idea years ago
22:02:38 <jDoctor> I called it the EPE
22:02:48 <jDoctor> environmental protection engine
22:02:52 <jDoctor> now we have hybrids
22:04:12 <jDoctor> hey, but if you wanna see one of my projects that succeeded, I'm willing to brag..
22:04:13 <superdupr> they are jokes, im sure something better exists
22:04:32 <superdupr> wich is...
22:04:54 <jDoctor> http://www.g4techtv.com/techtvvault/features/37395/Whiz_Kid_Soups_Up_RemoteControlled_Car.html
22:05:43 <jDoctor> drove remote controlled car with my computer's keyboard. it had a camera on the top and I could see where it went... Visual Basic, windows.. I was new to the game back then
22:06:09 <jDoctor> now its java and BSD, baby! not even that.. my Own language called Context
22:06:23 <superdupr> great
22:07:01 <jDoctor> I always give my projects cool achronyms
22:07:04 <superdupr> truly I mean it
22:07:27 <jDoctor> yah? I'm so much further, I feel I need to get the spotlight again
22:07:35 <jDoctor> this time for a scholarship
22:07:36 <superdupr> hahah me too
22:07:51 <superdupr> i dont like school as it is today
22:08:11 <jDoctor> no shix
22:08:16 <jDoctor> no doubt, I mean
22:08:44 <superdupr> I wish to understand electricity enough to teach it to anyone, make cool stuff out of it and most of all solving problems around me
22:08:45 <jDoctor> I really want to go to college to have an environment that fully supports my lifestyle
22:09:10 <superdupr> you'll like college
22:09:37 <jDoctor> yah. I need geek friends for real, not on irc.
22:09:54 <jDoctor> a geek gf, geek this geek that.. I need a community 
22:10:00 <superdupr> im not sure to go to the university, here in Quebec its high school till 16 then 2 years in CEGEPs then university
22:10:04 <superdupr> yeah me too
22:10:36 <jDoctor> here, I am the 0.0001% of people who does this stuff. and I dont know anyone else in my school that is into things that I am, etc.. 
22:10:46 <superdupr> but at least there's #forth on freenode
22:10:55 <jDoctor> yup
22:11:00 <jDoctor> this is my pre college
22:11:33 <jDoctor> anyway, my lang will rule
22:11:37 <jDoctor> it learns from lisp
22:11:51 <jDoctor> +(3). prints 3, as it adds it to 0
22:11:53 <superdupr> thats what I think too, for mine ;p
22:12:20 <jDoctor> refuse to do java?
22:12:27 <jDoctor> or just didnt ever learn it..
22:12:39 <superdupr> busy doing other stuff
22:12:43 <superdupr> and dont like it
22:12:48 <superdupr> the vm idea is great
22:13:02 <jDoctor> no doubt. no gc for me!
22:13:03 <superdupr> but too much steep of a learning curve for whats gained
22:13:10 <jDoctor> but that cuts away from my knowlege
22:14:07 <superdupr> have you evr played with microcontrollers?
22:14:20 <jDoctor> yes. sbc's and the basic stamp
22:14:39 <jDoctor> parallax 's basic stamp is fun
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22:16:03 <d4v1d_> http://bytecraft.com/touchsw.html
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22:17:38 <jDoctor> I have a lamp that uses that
22:17:40 <jDoctor> I think
22:18:34 <superdupr> look how easy its to implement
22:18:45 <jDoctor> yah, just an adc, right?
22:18:52 <superdupr> not even
22:19:00 <superdupr> its 3state cmos
22:19:13 <jDoctor> hehe. 
22:19:24 <superdupr> in tristate, (INPUT state) you can still read voltage
22:19:44 <jDoctor> yah? not all that accurate
22:19:45 <superdupr> so you empty the key with a zero then go tristate
22:19:55 <superdupr> with a constant current sourc ein the background
22:20:18 <superdupr> yeah 0 to 15 and then 85 to 100 of operating voltage is the hysterisis
22:21:17 <superdupr> its enough to sense the state of the capacitor, if its not 5 volts after a short while, then the finger raised the capacitance, so more charges are needed to raise the potential
22:21:32 <jDoctor> so uh. what is your current project? this kernel thing?
22:21:56 <superdupr> trying to figure electricty enough to answer my power needs
22:22:26 <superdupr> i dont want a kernel, i truly want code examples, documentation, its all there in fact but im not in it anymore
22:22:30 <jDoctor> you work for that energy research co. ?
22:22:37 <superdupr> would be great to disassemble every interrupt service routine of my bios
22:22:43 <superdupr> to reflash it to my own specs
22:22:49 <superdupr> my own os inside MY box
22:22:52 <superdupr> common sense
22:22:57 <superdupr> but not for the industry
22:23:05 <superdupr> that still enforce the programmer/user dichotomy
22:23:12 <superdupr> designer/user
22:23:19 <superdupr> why?
22:23:27 <superdupr> by selling us manuals
22:23:39 <superdupr> they bind us to their way of thinking, of driving the hardware
22:23:48 <superdupr> I know what I want
22:24:07 <superdupr> and its nothing like what exist
22:24:14 <superdupr> i want to buy a computer with complete plans
22:24:17 <superdupr> even a cad model
22:24:26 <superdupr> why not buy cars with the 3d cad files of every part?
22:24:30 <superdupr> would be great
22:24:34 <superdupr> to design mods
22:24:41 <jDoctor> hehe
22:24:43 <jDoctor> open source cars?
22:24:44 <superdupr> like in CATIA from IBM, a physics simulator
22:24:52 <superdupr> why not opensource everything?!
22:25:00 <superdupr> would be great
22:25:02 <jDoctor> cause. people are selfish
22:25:04 <superdupr> cars would get simpler
22:25:09 <superdupr> everyone would have fun
22:25:14 <jDoctor> so much
22:25:24 <superdupr> would be conscious enough to share knowledge
22:25:29 <jDoctor> plus, it is what makes you truely happy
22:25:32 <jDoctor> people dont know that
22:25:32 <superdupr> about their different designs
22:25:47 <superdupr> yeah they dont like hacking their way through technology
22:26:16 <superdupr> or buidling new science programs
22:26:25 <superdupr> to teach in high school just for fun
22:26:35 <superdupr> programs would be "curriculum"
22:26:46 <superdupr> what about talking about browns gas
22:27:01 <superdupr> monoatomic H and O that dont break before combining in a flamme
22:27:16 <superdupr> H2 must break before forming water
22:27:34 <arke> monoatomic H and O don't exist in nature.
22:27:49 <arke> and even in the labs its hard to do, IIRC
22:27:50 <superdupr> careful electrolysis can create a surplus
22:28:00 <superdupr> eagle-research.com
22:28:06 <jDoctor> yah
22:28:08 <superdupr> the guy sell some books
22:28:09 <jDoctor> that is what I read too
22:28:17 <jDoctor> they are always linked to something
22:28:28 <jDoctor> to fill in that valence
22:28:54 <superdupr> if its electrically filled
22:28:59 <superdupr> the electrolyser run cool
22:29:05 <superdupr> and the flamme is magical lol
22:29:14 <superdupr> great technology, really
22:29:26 <superdupr> dont want to disclose it, since its logged and all
22:29:50 <superdupr> The guy, george wiseman, sells information
22:29:58 <jDoctor> if I made my own architecture, it would have to do with light
22:30:32 <jDoctor> I dont like "going to the next step of tech" as much as I like "just running up to the top story of the building"
22:30:33 <superdupr> sure
22:30:50 <jDoctor> and light is the fastest thing we know of? 
22:30:50 <superdupr> just grow the crystals you will need
22:30:51 <superdupr> ;p
22:31:30 <superdupr> superluminal transfer of acausal information is possible
22:31:44 <jDoctor> how about this one:
22:31:45 <superdupr> just wire 50ohms impedance coax wire to a 75ohm one
22:31:47 <jDoctor> (idea)
22:32:06 <superdupr> k:
22:32:13 <jDoctor> you know water changes size at like 0 degrees celcius?
22:32:42 <superdupr> yep
22:32:59 <superdupr> it can even be aligned, if frozen in a high enough electric field: electret
22:33:02 <jDoctor> I wonder how fast this happens.. I wanna take water and flirt with that temperature
22:34:01 <jDoctor> maybe I can put water in very small boxes, molecular, even
22:34:09 <jDoctor> and the boxes are half full
22:34:11 <superdupr> the water can be the box
22:34:17 <jDoctor> or half empty, you pick, but
22:34:30 <jDoctor> you make it full by putting it over 0 degrees celcius
22:34:41 <jDoctor> and it would be half empty on below 0..
22:35:03 <jDoctor> maybe, using millions of these, and optics, you can control them and make a processor?
22:35:09 <superdupr> by using sensitive JFETs, like in electrets microphones, you could use those boxes as bit memory
22:35:16 <jDoctor> the computer would be cold as hell
22:35:23 <jDoctor> exacly
22:35:31 <jDoctor> is memory better than that already though?
22:35:38 <jDoctor> I dont know what scale I'm talking at
22:35:49 <superdupr> impossible scales ;p
22:36:21 <jDoctor> and impossible control of temperature
22:36:29 <jDoctor> without a huge control env..
22:36:39 <jDoctor> or maybe it is possible at that scale
22:36:59 <superdupr> light can do it
22:37:06 <superdupr> nobel prize of 1997, physics
22:37:16 <superdupr> freezing gases with lasers
22:37:24 <jDoctor> and not heating?
22:37:28 <jDoctor> who? may I ask..
22:37:45 <superdupr> cohen tanoudji and two others
22:38:23 <jDoctor> gladly, none of my ideas have been 'stupid' to you
22:38:30 <jDoctor> dude , you must study these things alot
22:38:38 <superdupr> before doing your own language, may I suggest you read thoughtfully ultratechnology.com
22:38:59 <superdupr> right now i want to do stuff with electricity
22:39:06 <superdupr> simple and powerful stuff
22:39:21 <jDoctor> I want to go to Berkeley
22:39:25 <jDoctor> if I dont go to canada
22:39:34 <I440r> ugh 
22:39:43 <jDoctor> hm?
22:39:48 <I440r> berkley is where 99% of the BULLSHIT originates in this country
22:39:55 <I440r> go to stamford
22:40:01 <I440r> or however ya spellz it
22:40:07 <I440r> stanford ?
22:40:08 <I440r> erm
22:40:21 <arke> hi I440r 
22:40:27 <I440r> :)
22:40:28 <jDoctor> I440r: they make bs? I noticed they make alot, but I dont see other college making the entire industy's bases like berk
22:40:28 <I440r> brb
22:41:23 <superdupr> i want to buy a car 200$ and tinker with it to make it consume less fuel
22:41:31 <jDoctor> I mean, cmon. think of the amazing things berk has done. ultraTechnology, berkeley DB, BSD, the h.xxx standards, many of the works put into jpg ..
22:41:33 <I440r> yes but berk is the communist center of the universe
22:42:05 <jDoctor> communist?
22:42:31 <jDoctor> I think you know someone there.. who might have stolen your microwave or something..
22:43:04 <arke> superdupr: tip: make it stronger, but drive it slow.
22:44:33 <superdupr> I wanted to play with the ECU a lot
22:44:47 <jDoctor> heyall Ima go. ttyl like tomm. 7pm virginia time!
22:44:51 <jDoctor> nice talkin superdupr 
22:45:00 --- quit: jDoctor ("leaving")
22:45:03 <superdupr> idem, take care!
22:45:07 <superdupr> darn
22:46:21 <arke> :)
22:48:09 <superdupr> Wiseman from Eagle research plays with the 02 sensor, and talks in his brown gas books of resonnance water splitting
22:48:20 <superdupr> he calls it hypergas
22:48:39 <superdupr> 42.8 KHz from the watercar group
22:48:47 <superdupr> they say one must find resonnance
22:48:53 <superdupr> I believe them
22:49:01 <superdupr> I saw it myself
22:49:19 <superdupr> but hydrogen (H) goes into the cracks of metals
22:49:30 <superdupr> thats why I thought compressed air
22:50:14 <superdupr> electricity could do the trick, if mastered.
22:50:36 <superdupr> electrodyne alternators, like the MSIG though
22:50:50 <superdupr> even with outputs shorted, no more mechnaical load
22:51:00 <I440r> i bought a blass chess set today
22:51:17 <I440r> multi coloured glass pieces and both sides have identically coloured pieces :)
22:51:27 <I440r> but blacks pieces have an etched look!
22:51:35 <I440r> whites are clear
22:51:49 <superdupr> do you play a lot?
22:51:55 <I440r> heh i used to
22:54:34 <superdupr> i plqy rqther rqndo,ly
22:54:46 <superdupr> the keyboqrd see,s to go to azerty ,ode
22:54:58 <superdupr> qlt shift zont zork
22:55:01 <superdupr> qnyzqy its lqte
22:55:10 <superdupr> see you all
22:55:20 <superdupr> been greqt1
22:55:31 --- quit: superdupr ("qrghhhhhhh")
23:51:27 * Tomasu is away: naruto
23:52:24 <arke> hi :)
23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/04.08.14