00:00:00 --- log: started forth/04.07.07 00:00:23 I wish firefox and dillo had that feature 00:00:25 it's very handy 00:01:43 I think it's absolutely rediculous (and rather depressing) that in this day and age when computers are running up in the GHz, that interfaces are slugish. 00:02:41 yup 00:02:56 this is why i want to make an uber-cool opengl gui of some kind :) 00:03:20 not sure what you mean by uber-cool 00:03:31 sounds like it would be fun, but probably not useful 00:04:08 well, time for bed 00:06:21 --- quit: Herkamire ("goodnight") 00:17:37 --- quit: mur (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00:22:44 --- join: aum (~aum@port-204-54-210.fastadsl.net.nz) joined #forth 01:09:40 --- join: Topaz (~top@spc1-horn1-6-0-cust217.cosh.broadband.ntl.com) joined #forth 01:18:47 --- quit: kuvos (Ping timeout: 14400 seconds) 01:32:41 --- join: foobar (fooboo@dialup-4.152.96.238.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net) joined #forth 01:38:03 --- quit: Topaz (Remote closed the connection) 01:38:23 --- join: Topaz (~top@spc1-horn1-6-0-cust217.cosh.broadband.ntl.com) joined #forth 02:02:33 --- join: qFox (~C00K13S@cp12172-a.roose1.nb.home.nl) joined #forth 02:03:12 --- join: kuvos (C00K13S@cp12172-a.roose1.nb.home.nl) joined #forth 02:09:02 Hi qFox (and twin) 02:09:30 * qFox pets kuvos 02:09:42 Who/what is that? 02:09:51 thats my other computer 02:10:02 Ah. Such a cutie. 02:10:09 but he has a faulthy sscript that runs in an endless loop every now and then 02:10:16 Haha 02:10:30 so then it times out and i need to break out of it when i notice it :) 02:11:27 so in other news 02:11:30 SEE sux. 02:11:37 hmm, i fear that endianness is about to become an issue... 02:11:44 i've randomly reading in file data from memory with @ 02:11:45 In what? 02:11:53 anything really 02:11:53 i'm* 02:12:27 i wonder if isforth has C@ or something... 02:12:31 Sure it has 02:12:36 c@ ( a -- c ) 02:12:48 its x86 so it likely has c@ w@ and @ 02:13:13 and it'll be little-endian, i presume? 02:13:18 Yes. 02:13:20 joy... 02:13:26 :) 02:15:20 I even think I440r is writing a manual for it. 02:15:34 Might be a good thing to use (if you're too lazy to read the sources9 02:16:04 Robert> ever tried to implement SEE ? 02:17:55 What's SEE? 02:18:07 decompile a word 02:18:53 --- quit: TomasuDlrrp (Connection timed out) 02:19:35 The Forth word, yes... But wasn't you refering to some kind of an acronym? 02:19:41 I'm thinking of SSE for some reason. 02:19:46 --- join: TomasuDlrrp (~moose@d66-222-216-222.abhsia.telus.net) joined #forth 02:20:28 And anyway, no. Never needed it. 02:20:38 Real coders keep their source code. ;) 02:21:39 no 02:21:41 i meant SEE 02:21:46 the decompile thing 02:22:08 i've tried it, but hit some walls 02:23:11 two mainly, for one, how can you see the difference between a xt and a literal/dliteral. and how do you know where the end is :\ 02:23:39 Depend on your Forth. 02:23:50 Try writing SEE for an optimizing native code compiler. 02:24:04 I440r uses various cheats. 02:24:20 Like having a "dothen" word, which is basically a NOP, but decompiles to THEN 02:24:26 nah there's no SEE in ciforth, its added with the blocksfile, but that thing seems very bloated 02:25:00 ugh, why was little-endian *EVER* used? heh 02:25:19 Topaz> what makes little endian better then big endian? 02:25:30 :) 02:25:37 well, big endian makes more sense 02:25:42 to you 02:25:54 and some tard thought little endian made more sense 02:26:09 dont get me wrong, i agree with you, little endian sux 02:26:10 :) 02:26:15 or at least 02:26:31 the fact that there are two ways ot interpreter read data 02:26:35 just trying to read 9 bits out of memory is... interesting 02:26:41 ah yes 02:26:49 i gave up on the matter for now 02:26:50 hehe 02:26:53 the 9th bit is the wrong side of the data i want 02:27:06 bitwise fileread/writing gave me a headache 02:27:38 Uhm. 02:27:39 hm need to make mental note to mention that to kc5tja 02:27:45 "wrong side"? 02:27:56 That's because you write the binary numbers BACKWARDS. 02:27:58 * qFox pokes Robert to make that mental note 02:28:32 In fact, the 8-bit binary number 1 could be written as 10000000, but for some reason, westerners write it 00000001 02:28:55 i'm tought 000000001 02:29:00 taught* 02:29:03 whatever. 02:29:06 :) 02:29:07 :) 02:29:09 * Robert <-- pedant 02:29:18 but thats because other bases do the same 02:29:21 Anyway, the thing is, little-endian has some advantages. 02:29:26 1 in 10 base is also 000001 02:29:39 just the MP3 spec requires that you read a chunk of 9 bits 02:30:18 which little-endian makes difficult... 02:30:30 unfortunatly you have no choice in the matter 02:31:41 Topaz, why not grab 32 bits, then mask and shift to get the 9 bits? 02:32:36 That's what I mean, qFox, the LSD could be first instead of last if we wanted... but no... 02:32:43 * Topaz thinks 02:32:59 but why would you? 02:33:04 whats the logic behind that? 02:33:26 but the byte containing the LSB will be more significant than the byte containing the rest of the no 02:33:26 when you write a decimal number you do the same 02:33:36 5000, lsb is right 02:33:52 then why change that with a binary number? 02:33:56 Robert: i have to use the same binary representation as the writers of the MP3 spec ;) 02:34:06 lsb is rightsided too in hex 02:35:25 --- quit: TomasuDlrrp (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 02:35:46 perhaps i should just let go of the SEE word for now and focus on history 02:35:58 --- join: TomasuDlrrp (~moose@d66-222-216-222.abhsia.telus.net) joined #forth 02:38:44 Topaz, : byteswap dup $FF and 8 lshift swap 8 rshift or ; 02:39:41 no 02:39:48 Bah 02:39:54 aha, byteswap sounds good :D 02:40:11 Argh. 02:40:16 :) 02:40:21 It is right-sided in ALL number systems 02:40:24 i can see why in this article I'm reading they use a CPLD to decode the MP3 bitstream ;) 02:40:30 If it wasn't I'd go on a killing spree. 02:40:33 hahahhaha you didnt know? :p 02:40:54 My point is that it isn't TEH ALMIGHTLY GOD who made it that way. 02:41:04 no, its logic 02:41:06 ;) 02:41:23 it just so happens that that logic doesnt always come in handy when programming 02:41:28 well, life sux 02:41:32 Heh 02:41:44 I'm going to the lake... see you forth freaks in a while 02:43:29 be carefull. water == evil 02:43:41 makes you clean and stuff 02:43:58 plus its probably rather cold where you are :D 02:47:18 haha, hideous, but effective: : getmaindatabegin sidedata dup c@ 1 << swap 1+ c@ 7 >> 1 & | ; 02:47:23 i suppose i need to get used to FORTH ;) 02:49:53 bit-twiddling can be confusing in any language :) 02:51:31 --- quit: TomasuDlrrp (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 02:52:02 --- join: TomasuDlrrp (~moose@d66-222-216-222.abhsia.telus.net) joined #forth 02:58:46 here's a webpage all about bit-twiddling: 02:58:50 http://graphics.stanford.edu/~seander/bithacks.html 02:59:19 one of them is patented!! 02:59:31 lol... 02:59:49 not in forth though 02:59:49 :) 03:00:02 I'm opposed to software "patents". 03:00:23 i have my own ideas about them 03:01:36 the patent covers the algorithm, so you couldn't even use in Forth when writing commercial software 03:01:53 without paying $$$ 03:02:04 psh. 03:02:05 :) 03:02:21 commercial forth software o_0 03:03:19 hm. why is there +! but no -! 03:04:38 use "negate foo +!" 03:04:48 eh 03:05:14 hm i'll just define -! 03:05:15 :) 03:05:24 ok 03:06:04 tuck was ( a b -- b a b ) right? 03:06:18 yes 03:08:41 : -! ( n adr -- ) TUCK @ SWAP - SWAP ! ; : -! ( n adr -- ) SWAP NEGATE SWAP +! ; 03:12:32 some of these are quite surreal 03:12:34 b = (b * 0x0202020202ULL & 0x010884422010ULL) % 1023; 03:12:40 reverses all the bits in a byte! 03:12:56 unbelievable 03:26:59 --- quit: Serg () 03:38:01 cmove and move actually copy, right? 03:39:02 --- quit: TomasuDlrrp (Connection timed out) 03:39:32 --- join: TomasuDlrrp (~moose@d66-222-216-222.abhsia.telus.net) joined #forth 03:41:04 nvm found an alternative 03:41:11 i hope :p 03:42:19 * Robert is terug 03:42:50 one day i'll learn proper swedish and kick your ass ;) 03:43:47 Not so hard :D 03:43:59 You've heard 90% of my Dutch vocabulary already ;) 03:44:04 HEHE 03:44:06 hehe 03:44:39 VOCABULARY DUTCH 03:44:42 : GREETING HOI ; 03:44:50 : BYE DOEI ; 03:45:00 : FUCKYOU KAASKOP! ; 03:45:06 END 03:45:10 haha nono thats "neuk jou" 03:45:16 Well, not literaly 03:45:24 that is literal 03:45:29 makes you look dumb as well 03:45:30 :p 03:45:32 Good to know 03:45:38 Oh, and... 03:45:50 : SLUT SLET ; 03:46:03 when you say that ppl will start to laugh, you'll be a typical foreigner trying to speak dutch :D 03:46:30 ;) 03:46:39 so, why do you know just those words i wonder.... :p 03:46:52 I hang with the wrong people :) 03:47:11 it shows 03:47:39 13:00 <@Trickster> Robert is een geile zweedse blonde slet 03:47:46 That's their _greeting bot_ 03:48:05 that name ought to say enough though ;) 03:49:36 It doesn't. 03:49:43 There's a drawing of Trickster. 03:49:52 When you've seen it, you know enogh 03:49:53 enough 03:49:56 hehe 03:53:06 http://pepperann.dyndns.org/mlb/trickster1.jpg 03:53:12 It wasn't too bad though... 03:53:30 :) 03:53:57 Oh, well... 03:54:11 * Robert stops trying to prove for qFox how odd the dutch are. 03:54:26 oh was that what you were trying? 03:54:33 dont worry, we know 03:54:33 :p 03:55:04 --- join: crc (crc@0-1pool176-8.nas6.philadelphia1.pa.us.da.qwest.net) joined #forth 03:56:07 Hehe 03:56:09 Hi crc 03:56:59 Hi Robert 04:11:26 --- quit: TomasuDlrrp (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 04:12:09 --- join: TomasuDlrrp (~moose@d66-222-216-222.abhsia.telus.net) joined #forth 04:35:29 --- quit: TomasuDlrrp (Connection timed out) 04:56:21 --- part: foobar left #forth 05:00:42 hm 05:00:55 ok so i created a table that contains the last x (constant) items 05:01:12 items being the lines that were gotten from the input buffer 05:01:19 (so, strings) 05:01:32 but how the hell will i attach that to the up/down key :\ 05:02:31 problem is, the forward/backward keys already do a history (like in dos without doskey) 05:02:43 but i cant find the code that deals with this :\ 05:02:55 Hehehe 05:03:06 and its not OS, at least i dont think it is... 05:09:32 gah not in the source either. 05:13:08 If it isn't in the source, then it's either part of the underlying OS or an external library 05:13:18 i think this is part of hte os 05:13:28 since the ciforth i'm working with, is the windows port 05:13:37 cos i cant work with blockfiles in the bootable forth 05:13:46 yet.. 05:15:26 From what I've seen, ciForth has confusing source code 05:15:36 yep 05:15:43 but i'm working thru it 05:16:20 its suprisingly easy to alter 05:16:42 i'm not sure if that's normal, but all you have to do is alter the DFA of one word, with the DFA of another 05:16:50 and the whole forth adapts 05:16:58 Interesting 05:17:21 is that normal? 05:17:33 cos i thought the compiler compiled xt's 05:17:35 not dfa's 05:17:42 What threading model does it use? 05:17:51 odd one. most words are threaded 05:18:05 sometimes i dont understand why a word is CODE, and another isnt 05:18:07 1+ is threaded 05:18:54 +! is CODE 05:19:06 but most of the words are threaded 05:19:22 which makes it much easier to understand 05:19:46 I write almost all words in Forth, unless code is easier 05:19:53 Threaded code is nice :-) 05:20:10 yep 05:20:30 but still, is it regular that you can alter a word by replacing its DFA? 05:20:49 in such way that the whole forth adapts to the new word, not just words that are defined afterwards... 05:21:23 according to his source, this is called revectoring, i think 05:21:27 I know that that can be done under Token threading; and I *think* it works that way if you're using Indirect threading 05:21:37 Right 05:21:41 oh ok, neat 05:21:45 :) 05:22:06 but that would also indicate that any CALL in threaded words do a double fetch, doesnt it? 05:22:21 first to get the DFA field, then the actual data... 05:22:37 Probably 05:22:59 hm. i guess its speed vs adaptability 05:23:24 lets see if i can hook into that arrowkey :0 05:23:33 :-) 05:23:34 i already turned the system case insensitive 05:23:46 while preserving case 05:23:47 Very good 05:24:12 pity you cant "expand" words 05:24:28 I'd like to make RetroForth 7 case insensitive, but I'm not sure if I'll get around to it 05:24:43 What do you mean by "expand"? 05:25:08 i merely hooked into (WORD), which was called by all the evaluate words, and passed the string on to UPPER, which makes the string uppercase 05:25:41 well, lets say . prints the number, and i want it to save this number in a table as well. i'd have to redefine . 05:25:57 instead of just pasting some code after it 05:26:07 but i was just thinking, you can ofcourse do it threaded 05:26:31 the way i do it now, is first i backup the original DFA of a word i'm altering 05:26:43 ; (WORD)ORG ; 05:26:59 ' (WORD) >DFA @ ' (WORD)ORG >DFA ! 05:27:21 that copies the dfa of (WORD) to (WORD)ORG ,so (WORD)ORG does now exactly the same as (WORD) 05:27:43 then i take the new word i defined, (WORD)ALT ,and put its dfa into that of (WORD) 05:27:54 ' (WORD)ALT >DFA @ ' (WORD) ! 05:28:09 and now any word that calls (WORD), calls my (WORD)ALT instead 05:28:33 and the process is reversable since the actual high level code is never lost 05:29:28 * qFox now hopes the arrowkeys are not simply "out of ciforth's reach" 05:31:11 hmm the bootable version sees all the arrowkeys as char 224 :\ 05:31:20 which he turns into a tick ' 05:31:52 werent those keys 2 bytes? 05:32:04 up down left right ctrl alt etc 05:32:18 I think so 05:33:00 http://my.execpc.com/~geezer/osd/kbd/us-2.txt for a scancode reference 05:33:18 grmbl then i'd have to alter the source to get arrowkeys :\ 05:33:51 I have to modify RetroForth's source to be able to use 'KEY' from within Forth :-( 05:36:00 well, the only real keyboard input handler ciforth has, is (ACCEPT) 05:36:13 and i dont think those keys are registered by it :( 05:40:22 Well, I'm going to go (time for bed...) 05:40:29 heh, cya 05:40:33 cya 05:40:35 --- quit: crc ("http://www.retroforth.org/dev/beta_releases/retroforth-7.beta4.tar.gz") 05:47:47 : ACCEPT ( adr count -- n ) (ACCEPT) 2SWAP ROT MIN DUP >R MOVE R> ; \ Transfer at most count characters from the terminal to address, until a forthkey(RET) is received. The backspace key on the standard PC keyboard layout is used to delete characters, without involvement of Forth, so changing RUBOUT has no effect. Other editing keys such as forthkey(F3) and cursor keys probably work as usual with a console application. Note that excess characters 05:47:54 gahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh >:( 05:48:23 this ciforth isnt working in a continuous loop, instead it merely waits for an enter to be pressed. 05:48:33 perhaps the bootable forth does check each char 05:52:40 --- join: wossname (~wossname@HSE-MTL-ppp77286.qc.sympatico.ca) joined #forth 06:01:27 bah, the bootcode does check for it. 06:12:25 --- quit: Topaz (Remote closed the connection) 06:13:32 --- join: Topaz (~top@spc1-horn1-6-0-cust217.cosh.broadband.ntl.com) joined #forth 06:20:59 --- join: O3BEPH (~z@212.34.52.140) joined #forth 06:21:32 --- nick: O3BEPH -> Serg 06:51:33 --- join: jdrake (irc_user@CPE00045afdd0e8-CM014410113717.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #forth 07:02:35 --- quit: Serg () 07:03:13 --- quit: ChanServ (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 07:03:13 --- quit: skylan (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 07:03:13 --- quit: ianp (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 07:03:13 --- quit: Topaz (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 07:03:13 --- quit: aum (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 07:03:14 --- quit: fridge_ (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 07:03:14 --- quit: Klaw (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 07:03:14 --- quit: slava (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 07:03:15 --- quit: kuvos (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 07:03:15 --- quit: madgarden (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 07:03:30 there we go again 07:03:44 lol 07:05:56 Shit 07:08:25 Freenode is going to die soon, it seems ;) 07:08:25 All that netsplitting can't be healthy 07:08:25 It's like if I'd just lose my kidneys and my heart once in a while 07:09:53 yeah they seem to be heavily under attack 07:14:44 --- join: ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) joined #forth 07:14:44 --- join: Topaz (~top@spc1-horn1-6-0-cust217.cosh.broadband.ntl.com) joined #forth 07:14:44 --- join: aum (~aum@port-204-54-210.fastadsl.net.nz) joined #forth 07:14:44 --- join: slava (~slava@CPE00096ba44261-CM000e5cdfda14.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #forth 07:14:44 --- join: fridge_ (~fridge@dsl-203-113-230-147.NSW.netspace.net.au) joined #forth 07:14:44 --- join: skylan (~sjh@206.186.187.183) joined #forth 07:14:44 --- join: Klaw (~anonymous@ip68-228-92-218.oc.oc.cox.net) joined #forth 07:14:44 --- join: ianp (ian@inpuj.net) joined #forth 07:14:44 --- mode: irc.freenode.net set +o ChanServ 07:14:47 on the other hand, the notices keep claiming its a config error 07:15:46 --- join: randolm (wossname@HSE-MTL-ppp60657.qc.sympatico.ca) joined #forth 07:16:20 --- join: madgarden (~madgarden@Kitchener-HSE-ppp3576025.sympatico.ca) joined #forth 07:16:20 --- join: kuvos (C00K13S@cp12172-a.roose1.nb.home.nl) joined #forth 07:16:20 --- join: Fare (~rideau@cosey.crpgl.lu) joined #forth 07:18:22 --- quit: htp123 (Killed by zelazny.freenode.net (Nick collision)) 07:18:23 --- quit: I4_wrk (Killed by zelazny.freenode.net (Nick collision)) 07:18:27 --- log: started forth/04.07.07 07:18:27 --- join: clog_ (nef@bespin.org) joined #forth 07:18:27 --- topic: 'FORTH programming language. 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09:00:12 and one of the two crashed relatively much more then the other, but i'm not sure which of the two 09:01:43 mysql is simpler and faster 09:01:51 but its missing lots of great SQL 09:02:13 mysql is good if you have like one table that you need to scream 09:02:40 but postgres has stuff like views, referential keys, etc. 09:02:51 --- quit: jdrake (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09:02:56 stored procedures i guess 09:03:00 but i've never used them 09:03:04 yeah, i had to do a comparison on the both for school last year 09:03:35 including installation of postgres under linux and running it, we made a database connection to a webserver with php running on a different computer 09:03:48 thing is, the lesson was linux 09:03:55 personally i don't think that php is a good language for database interaction 09:04:02 and by the end, it seemed more that our grade was decided on our leetness on having php running on postgres 09:04:20 (the class was.... well not very advanced, teachers was impressed easy :) 09:05:25 well no, the original assignment was to create an odbc database connection 09:05:26 php seems quite popular 09:05:34 but really, screw access 09:05:54 the thing with php is 09:06:06 in a high-load envirment it kindof sucks 09:06:21 well its fairly easy to use 09:06:26 well 09:06:34 yeah but take a page that generates from a query 09:06:46 it has to connect to the database every time and results are not cached 09:06:57 im not even sure if mod_php caches its parsing of php pages 09:07:14 yeah pages can get heavy when not designed properly 09:07:25 whereas with a mod_perl system 09:07:26 heh we ran some tests, on the postgres setup we had there 09:07:34 have a simple page with a single query 09:07:37 you can keep the db connection alive 09:07:38 of about 10000 hits 09:07:40 cache 09:07:45 and press f5 repeatingly 09:07:49 and etc... 09:07:52 server load flew thru the roof :p 09:08:03 but mainly the webservers, not so much the postgresserver 09:08:20 but we used iis i believe 09:08:24 hahaha 09:08:30 (i didnt setup the webserver :) 09:08:35 well back to work 09:22:18 --- join: Murrlin (murr@dialup-207-218-234-78.ev1.net) joined #forth 09:25:28 --- quit: aum (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 09:27:25 --- quit: Murrlin ("Mischief managed! ....Nox.") 09:29:15 --- join: aum (~aum@port-204-54-210.fastadsl.net.nz) joined #forth 10:04:21 --- join: Herkamire (~jason@h000094d30ba2.ne.client2.attbi.com) joined #forth 10:18:05 --- join: Tomasu (~moose@d66-222-216-222.abhsia.telus.net) joined #forth 10:25:08 hmmm ok question. in 300x200 the video segment is at 0a000h, how do i target this segment in forth, without using asm (or any of the registers directly)? 10:25:22 oh gone 10:25:50 Heh. 10:26:11 "How do I kick a ball without touching it?" 10:27:36 haha robert 10:27:40 you made a funny 10:30:43 you ask someone who does it for you 10:37:03 /kick? 10:38:22 Fare: Hey, long time no see... You're pretty quiet in here. 10:43:20 most of the time on #lisp 10:43:25 #tunes is lethargic 10:43:40 Topaz: kick? 10:44:10 I left #tunes when I got wet. Too much water. 10:44:43 ? 10:44:45 eugh? 10:45:04 water pissed me off. 10:45:07 ok 10:45:37 And besides, I wasn't very interested in Tunes either. 11:00:51 fare is tunes an all but dead project ? 11:06:51 o dear 11:07:04 the netherlands are now ehm, leading the EU 11:07:11 for like a day? 11:07:20 and already "we're" planning to change something 11:07:54 and of course, its to save money 11:08:04 gah. 11:09:32 anyways 11:10:00 Robert> serious though, how can i address this segment from forth? 11:10:44 There can obviously be no standard way 11:10:53 So you HAVE to RTFM or write it yourself. 11:11:00 no fair 11:11:07 :) 11:12:51 mumble 11:13:06 : FARMOVE ( faradr1 faradr2 n -- ) CODE ; \ Move count bytes beginning at faraddr1 to faraddr2. Segments that are zero are replaced by defaults: data segment selector for source, extra segment selector for destination. Copying is done from low to high offset, so there may be memory propagating. This is not easily seen from the _SEGMENT_'s{}_PROTECTED_({{, particularly not so in protected mode}}). As the Intel 86-family is byte-addressing there are 11:13:52 See? 11:13:55 Not so hard. 11:14:04 what is defined as a far adr? 11:14:09 segment adr ? 11:14:17 Data in another segment. 11:14:23 well yeah i mean 11:14:27 stack comments 11:14:46 adr1 adr2 , 1=segment 2=adr ? 11:14:46 --- join: Serg (~z@193.201.231.126) joined #forth 11:14:50 Oh, like that.. not sure. Check the source of the word 11:14:56 meh 11:14:57 Privet Serg 11:15:01 hi ! 11:15:23 hm 11:15:24 POP ECX ;count 11:15:24 POP EDI ;dest 11:15:24 POP EDX 11:15:28 11:15:31 POP ESI ;source 11:15:32 POP EDX 11:15:51 but 11:15:59 thats looks more like, adr segment 11:16:13 adr1 seg1 adr2 seg2 count 11:22:57 --- join: Sonarman (~matt@adsl-63-196-0-187.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) joined #forth 11:26:16 robert you have the latest isforth right ? 11:26:30 when you run it what version does it tell you it is ? 11:27:19 1.14b 11:27:28 oopts 11:27:33 lol 11:27:46 i think its supposed to say 1.15b isnt it? 11:27:49 you forgot to change the most important part :P 11:27:58 lol 11:28:21 Uhm 11:28:39 I don't think this is 1.15b 11:28:45 * Robert checks the site 11:28:54 the tgz on the site is 1.15b 11:29:05 but does it SAY that when you run it lol 11:29:41 Hehe 11:29:54