00:00:00 --- log: started forth/04.06.29 00:00:51 --- quit: kc5tja ("THX QSO ES 73 DE KC5TJA/6 CL ES QRT AR SK") 00:02:56 --- join: arke_ (~Chris@wbar8.lax1-4-11-100-108.dsl-verizon.net) joined #forth 00:03:36 --- part: arke_ left #forth 00:13:05 --- quit: JAPeters () 00:16:48 anybody familiar with the IRC protocol that can help me? 00:17:51 --- join: solar_angel (~jenni@Toronto-HSE-ppp3685160.sympatico.ca) joined #forth 00:29:21 --- join: lalalim (~lalalim@p508AA4A8.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 00:37:53 --- quit: lalalim_ (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 00:59:40 --- join: Herkamire (~jason@h000094d30ba2.ne.client2.attbi.com) joined #forth 01:40:46 --- quit: Herkamire ("bed") 02:11:45 --- join: aum (~aum@port-204-54-210.fastadsl.net.nz) joined #forth 02:47:43 --- quit: solar_angel ("*gone gone gone*") 03:20:44 --- join: ASau (~asau@158.250.48.204) joined #forth 03:21:00 Dobry den. 03:22:12 --- join: qFox (C00K13S@cp12172-a.roose1.nb.home.nl) joined #forth 03:22:40 Dobry den, qFox. 03:32:46 --- join: solar_angel (~jenni@Toronto-HSE-ppp3685160.sympatico.ca) joined #forth 03:40:08 God dag, solar_angel. 03:42:46 danke 03:44:33 --- join: crc (crc@0-1pool88-6.nas48.philadelphia1.pa.us.da.qwest.net) joined #forth 03:45:42 Terve, crc. 03:45:53 I've forgotten this: 03:45:59 Terve? 03:46:07 http://asau.hotbox.ru/c-forth-last.tgz 03:46:18 x/clear 03:46:45 I can't recall what's that, you have to diff. 03:49:28 "Terve" is in Finnish. 03:49:40 * crc doesn't know Finnish 03:50:52 Speak to mur. 03:51:04 Talk... 03:51:27 I have finally ported RetroForth to BeOS :-) 03:52:11 Congratulations. 03:55:17 The BeOS port uses LIBC for 'emit' and 'key' and 'bye', so it should also work under other OSes with a simple reassemble+link 03:56:20 hehehe, i had an early version of the FORTH in Cy/VOS running in linux that way 03:57:27 It actually works very well, though the binary is HUGE (~600k stripped) 03:57:57 Link to dietlibc? 03:58:06 * crc should work out getting the memory for code + dictionary into the .BSS section 03:58:34 that *is* a huge binary 03:58:43 my whole OS is a tenth that size 03:59:03 I allocate 524,288 bytes for code 03:59:07 oh :P 03:59:27 And 65,536 bytes for dictionary entries 03:59:54 Normally they're put into .BSS automatically, but the libc backed port doesn't want to cooperate on this :-( 04:00:15 that sucks. 04:00:39 Yup 04:01:46 I also allocate 128,000 bytes to store inline strings. I should try to trim down these sizes though 04:02:11 geeze :P 04:02:23 No one has ever written a program in RetroForth that comes close to needing 500k of compiled code or 128k of strings :-) 04:02:37 that's bigger than the *runtime footprint* of my OS. including the reserved free memory it uses, and the memory it wastes by not freeing the sources after boot. 04:02:51 also including the page tables. 04:03:28 TCN set the current sizes in Retro4 04:05:06 * crc has never used more than 128k of code space in total 04:05:23 And that was just for testing the compiler speed 04:06:06 In actual practice, I can live quite nicely with <64k 04:06:19 agreed. 04:06:22 I live with 16K. 04:06:29 i live in exile 04:07:23 * crc will attempt to trim the memory footprint of RetroForth 7 to 64k 04:07:51 I used Retro1 (64k real mode) until TCN released Retro4a :-) 04:13:26 I'll shrink the code space to 32k, that leaves ~24k for the dictionary + strings 04:22:22 Ok: 32k code, 8k dictionary, 1k TIB, room for 64 inline strings, and the kernel+bootstrap Forth = 52,736 bytes under Windows :-) 04:26:35 * crc now wonders how deep the stack needs to be 04:29:13 It can currently hold ~450 32-bit values 04:38:58 * aum is thinking about word management options 04:39:16 one option is to store word sources in a mysql database 04:39:42 already got about 700 words, and growing 04:42:18 That's a lot of words 04:45:43 --- quit: crc ("Sleeping...") 04:51:40 for instance, 'url@' which opens and reads a full url 04:55:03 --- quit: ASau () 04:56:29 hm, i've read thru the source of ciforth, and am not sure whether it actively compiles threaded code on demand, or on assembling 04:56:52 DD FROMR 04:56:52 DD LATEST 04:56:52 DD TDFA 04:56:52 DD FETCH 04:56:52 DD STORE 04:56:53 DD SEMIS 04:56:58 for instance.. 04:57:01 (for does>) 04:58:15 that looks like hand-compiled DTC thread code 05:03:21 so on demand? 05:03:43 ? 05:03:52 at first i thought all words were coded in asm :) 05:04:07 well, does it compile the word on assembly, or when its ... used 05:04:12 nope, you've got some coded as thread code 05:04:24 which are executed in the way a standard DTC works 05:04:31 which is... 05:04:45 um... it compiles into DTC code on definition 05:04:51 oh 05:04:57 basically just a list of addresses of functions to call, with a "CALL ENTER" at the start 05:05:20 muh, k 05:05:29 my first FORTH was DTC. 05:05:43 d.... threaded code? 05:05:54 i since ported it to STC. 05:07:02 --- join: Murrlin (murr@dialup-207-218-229-104.ev1.net) joined #forth 05:07:57 direct 05:07:57 as opposed to subroutine 05:07:57 read "Moving FORTH", it'll show you the way 05:08:13 g'morning 05:08:35 lo 05:09:17 lets see if i can tear out the voc protection :p 05:09:53 solar_angel: Hi. I played a bit with 2N7000s... One of those with a 1000pF cap to the ground, can be charged and discharged with ordinary BC549s without any significant amount of charge leaking. Storing data for half an hour was no problem, but then I got tired of testing. 05:10:07 Robert - cool. 05:10:25 Now I'm trying to figure out some good addressing/control logic. 05:10:26 Robert - be careful of your RC time constants though 05:10:55 i came up with a cool architecture for my design... i'm looking at making it in ECL. 05:10:56 You mean when charging the cap? 05:11:01 possibly asynchronous ECL. 05:11:09 charging and discharging, yes. 05:11:47 Discharging is done directly to ground through a BC549, but charging is done via a resistor. 05:12:27 well, you have the same current in either direction 05:12:28 One tricky thing is that you have to reset the memory before writing to it. 05:14:03 that's not that uncommon. 05:14:19 Ah, good. 05:44:41 robert is becoming a hardware engineer ? 05:44:55 ugh and i had high hopes of you becoming a real software engineer :P 05:45:01 * I440r_ mutters 05:45:04 :) 05:45:15 brb - makin coffee 05:48:16 morning I44 05:53:23 yet another mur :P 05:54:24 hello 05:55:39 Hehe 05:55:56 I440r_: Just another of those StupidProjectsThatLeadNowhere, I like those ;) 05:56:21 hey 05:56:27 Hi mur 05:59:52 hi 06:00:00 Kak ty? 06:00:33 --- quit: aum () 06:01:34 :) 06:01:45 they are called "an education" 06:02:56 Hehe 06:11:32 information supplied by SEE should contain stack comments :\ 06:14:56 qfox it cant easilly 06:15:09 would mean compiling stack comments into the code. err... they are COMMENTS lol 06:15:12 thats what view is for 06:15:18 uhm no 06:15:23 it can be done easily 06:15:23 but even view means compiling more cruft in 06:15:39 if you have a seperate field for "SEE purposes" 06:15:48 a string with the definition 06:16:42 I440r_: To abort a for/nxt loop in IsForth, do I use unloop or something? 06:16:57 stack comments make it a whole lot easier to understand, test and alter a certain word, because right now i'm looking at code and dont know what the word expects. kinda sux 06:17:52 : SAVE R> SRC 2@ IN @ >R >R >R >R ; 06:21:03 oh mur != Murrlin 06:21:04 heh 06:21:43 Looks like it's part of a context change routine. 06:21:56 its part of evaluate 06:21:58 first word 06:22:15 i want to try and turn ciforth to a case INsensitive system 06:22:41 that ought to save me a lot of frustration 06:23:20 and after that, i want to be able to use history (up-key to call back previous lines) 06:23:28 so i'll need to know how evaluate works :) 06:23:31 in ciforth 06:23:50 correct ^^ 06:34:52 mur Murrlin = . 0 OK 06:35:29 then you have strange words 06:35:38 i'm getting errors :p 06:35:57 also, why the hell is SEE showing tick ' ,when i'm asking for 'INTERPRET 06:37:13 and why IS it working when i define a word starting with ' myself... 06:37:14 wtf 06:57:14 --- quit: Murrlin ("Mischief managed! ....Nox.") 07:10:49 forth worship http://saddleback.edu/MEDIA/IMAGES/ROTATE/pe01.jpg 07:10:57 because forth is eccentric 07:11:38 thats not forth specific ;) 07:22:23 robert no just do an r>drop 07:22:54 actually you cant do an early exit from a for loop, you could do an r>drop exit tho 07:25:08 You can store an out of range value to I, that would terminate a loop? 07:25:42 2/clear 07:25:44 errk. 07:26:00 early exit from a for loop? 07:26:05 you can't just UNLOOP EXIT ? 07:26:29 or LEAVE? 07:26:56 errr, right, i keep forgetting about LEAVE 07:26:59 i don't have one of those :P 07:30:02 I am idly thinking about porting the PicForth concept over to the AVR. PicForth uses an 8 bit word size. The AVR does a little better at 16 bit operations than the PIC does, but not exceptionally so. Do I use 16 bits, and pay the penalty when I don't need 16 bits, or use 8 bits, and pay dearly when I *need* 16 bits? 07:43:51 Uhm. 07:44:18 I just used different words for 8- and 32-bit operands. 07:44:34 And some for the (relatively few) cases when both were mixed. 07:45:19 what is $C+ ? 07:46:02 12 + ? 07:46:20 not from what i can see 07:46:23 Hehe 07:46:38 dup >r dup @ + cell+ c! 1 r> +! 07:46:46 (although i hadnt seen it that way yet :) 07:47:11 but i dont get it 07:47:13 dup @ + 07:47:19 why... 07:47:50 You should reformat the code with stack pictures as it goes. 07:47:58 dup ( n -- n n ) 07:48:04 >r ( etc ) 07:48:12 yes thank you, could you pweees tell that to the author of ciforth? 07:48:22 no 07:48:44 ppeeews 07:48:59 visualize whirled peas 07:49:19 jc> i'm going to try to alter ciforth, but the source nor documentation has stackcomments 07:49:29 I understand that. 07:49:38 hence i'm asking, since $C! $C@ are unknowns to me 07:49:46 But when I'm looking at code that I don't understand, I find that breaking it down helps me a lot. 07:50:05 break it down :p 07:50:11 * jc spins 07:50:20 but what use could dup @ + be? 07:50:43 Calculates an offset, maybe? 07:50:47 qfox i cant tell you 07:50:48 For a table. 07:51:15 For a counted string, it would point one byte past the end of the string. 07:51:16 the 0th element of an array might be a state variable 07:51:24 and the other elements are the actions for each state 07:51:31 tho... that might not be what he is doing there 07:51:40 the word is used in CONTAINS 07:51:50 CREATE pad 80 ALLOT : CONTAINS 0 pad ! BL pad $C+ 07:51:50 pad $+! BL pad $C+ pad @ - OVER + SWAP 07:51:50 DO I pad $@ CORA 0= IF -1 UNLOOP EXIT THEN LOOP 0 ; 07:52:01 oooh 07:52:13 the 0th element of the array is the # items IN the array 07:52:33 dup @ + points to the NEXT available space in the array 07:53:01 errr they must be byte data tho (with a word count?) 07:53:08 oh so in pad, 0 = the len? 07:53:22 pad is just a scratchpad 07:53:26 i know 07:53:31 but i mean in this context 07:53:32 The C implies (to me) character ops. C@ for strings and bytes, right? So I'm sticking with my counted strings idea. It's scanning a list of strings, perhaps. 07:53:35 and you dont normally "Create" it 07:54:00 this is the file that defines TUCK as well, somewhere 07:54:00 err $c+ concat's strings ? 07:54:06 oh perhaps 07:54:54 this config file has to be manually loaded once the ciforth is started. you can load different screens containing all kind of stuff. this part is in the first screen, which is loaded by all the other screens (because it contains REQUIRE) 07:54:55 My interpetation: 07:55:06 so i'm not really surprised that pad is defined here as well 07:55:16 Creates pad. adds a blank. Adds a passed string. Adds a blank. 07:55:22 the clean booted ciforth system doesnt even has SEE :\ 07:55:39 hm, has = have 07:56:19 You know, it's people who write code like that who give Forth the reputation as being a write-only langauge. 07:56:40 unfortunatly i'll have to make due 07:56:57 --- join: aum (~aum@port-204-54-210.fastadsl.net.nz) joined #forth 07:57:18 Whta does CORA do? 07:58:00 muh, asm CODE 07:58:13 WIth no comments, I'm sure. 07:58:43 actually, it is (the ciforth source is commented), no stack comments tehre though >:( 07:58:46 spam. 07:58:49 MOV EDX,ESI ;SAVE 07:58:49 XOR EAX,EAX ; Result 07:58:49 POP ECX ; count 07:58:49 POP EDI ; addr2 07:58:49 POP ESI ; addr1 07:58:49 CLD ; INC DIRECTION 07:58:51 REP CMPSB ; Compare BYTE 07:58:54 JZ CORA3 07:58:55 MOV AL,1 ;Remainder is already 0 07:58:58 JNC CORA3 07:59:00 NEG EAX 07:59:02 CORA3: 07:59:04 MOV ESI,EDX ;Restore 07:59:06 PUSH EAX 07:59:08 LODSD ; NEXT 07:59:10 JMP LONG[EAX] 07:59:15 case sensitive string compare. 08:00:32 well the whole goal of this require word, is to load a certain screen containing the definition of require, if the word is not defined already 08:01:14 if so, require calls find&load, which attempts to find the word in that specific file (only certain "header" lines, that contain the def's for that screen) 08:01:29 if it finds a header containing the word, it loads the screen, thus defining the word 08:01:32 It looks like there's a table of words, like " Hi There Forth User ". CONTAINS takes a passed string, like "There", puts it in PAD with blanks on either side, and searches this table. 08:01:43 If found, it returns the offset into the table it found it at. 08:01:51 sounds reasonable 08:03:16 BTW, why do you want a case insensitive Forth? 08:03:22 for some reason, these words are not listed in the help files.... 08:03:44 because i do. i dont want to have to type words in case 08:04:05 its not like i'm going to define a certain name twice, in different case 08:04:21 and having to type everything in upper case is plain annoying, for me anyways 08:04:39 What?!? No dup, Dup, dUp, duP, DuP and DUP, that all do different things? 08:04:48 no :) 08:04:52 what about reverse 08:04:56 do you need PUD and pud 08:04:59 for special occasions 08:05:06 ...? 08:05:09 to liven up the code 08:05:21 uhm, yeah, sure? 08:05:22 like english, overuse of the same word gets dull 08:05:39 well, you know what, you can do it in your forth :p 08:05:52 no i just really prefer no CS 08:06:00 i don't think you take my pud seriously 08:06:17 that's correct 08:09:08 btw, he does define PAD and pad :\ 08:34:37 --- quit: SolarFire (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 08:35:22 --- quit: lalalim (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 08:35:22 --- quit: fridge (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 08:35:22 --- quit: I440r_ (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 08:35:22 --- quit: Frek (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 08:35:23 --- quit: madgarden (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 08:35:23 --- quit: ianp (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 08:35:23 --- quit: ChanServ (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 08:35:23 --- quit: qFox (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 08:35:23 --- quit: Robert (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 08:35:23 --- quit: I440r (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 08:35:23 --- quit: Klaw (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 08:35:38 --- join: SolarFire (SolarFire@pD954584B.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 08:35:38 --- quit: SolarFire (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 08:36:21 --- join: SolarFire (SolarFire@pD954584B.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 08:36:28 --- join: ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) joined #forth 08:36:28 --- join: qFox (C00K13S@cp12172-a.roose1.nb.home.nl) joined #forth 08:36:28 --- join: lalalim (~lalalim@p508AA4A8.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 08:36:28 --- join: Frek (anvil@h87n2fls31o815.telia.com) joined #forth 08:36:28 --- join: fridge (~fridge@dsl-203-33-162-85.NSW.netspace.net.au) joined #forth 08:36:28 --- join: I440r_ (~mark4@168-215-246-243.gen.twtelecom.net) joined #forth 08:36:28 --- join: Robert (~snofs@c-bf5a71d5.17-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined #forth 08:36:28 --- join: I440r (~mark4@216-110-82-1.gen.twtelecom.net) joined #forth 08:36:28 --- join: Klaw (~anonymous@ip68-228-92-218.oc.oc.cox.net) joined #forth 08:36:28 --- join: madgarden (~madgarden@Kitchener-HSE-ppp3576399.sympatico.ca) joined #forth 08:36:28 --- join: ianp (ian@inpuj.net) joined #forth 08:36:28 --- mode: irc.freenode.net set +o ChanServ 08:43:31 a tear in the fabric of my mind 08:56:58 is there a word that takes a stack sig such as ( value addr u -- ) and creates a constant with name 'addr u' with value 'value' ? 08:57:27 in other words, a word that can create a constant of a specified name at run-time 08:57:38 SEE BRANCH 08:57:41 CAN'T HANDLE BRANCH 08:57:45 uh.. nice... 08:57:46 :p 08:59:55 or, is there a way to assign a name to a noname func? 09:03:34 aum> pass it on to evaluate? 09:04:16 qFox: that'll work, but it feels like a cheat :P 09:04:24 well, duh :) 09:07:42 --- quit: solar_angel ("BitchX: nine out of ten gynecologists recommend it") 09:23:34 --- quit: I440r_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09:24:16 join #cassini if you're interested in the Cassini probe. 09:29:49 whats that.. 09:30:24 http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/cassini/spacecraft/index.html 09:35:28 --- join: warpzero (~warpzero@mi160.dn182.umontana.edu) joined #forth 09:35:36 --- join: arke_ (~Chris@wbar8.lax1-4-11-100-108.dsl-verizon.net) joined #forth 09:40:01 --- quit: skylan (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 09:41:18 --- join: skylan (~sjh@vickesh01-4831.tbaytel.net) joined #forth 09:42:18 lol 09:43:43 oh 09:43:48 im on the new bear server 09:43:50 ;) 09:44:52 charming :) 09:45:04 the what 09:45:42 bear.freenode.net 09:45:53 just went online yesterday 09:47:15 mur is on a sun :) 09:48:04 SDO is on BeOS 09:48:16 lalalim seems to be my mom's boyfriend 09:49:18 what 09:50:32 * SolarFire has NOT quit ("BitchX: Spam? Yeah, give me more!!") 09:51:42 yeah ... uuum .... SolarFire .... why no CTCP reply? 09:51:44 Received a CTCP VERSION from arke_ (to #forth) 09:51:48 Received a CTCP VERSION from arke_ (to #forth) 09:52:02 KICK HIS ASSSSSSSSS 09:52:04 shall i continue? 09:52:31 [04:52:39] -arke_- VERSION xchat 2.0.7 Windows 5.1 [i686/1.20GHz] 09:52:36 windows 09:52:41 * Received a CTCP USERINFO from arke_ 09:52:41 * Received a CTCP CLIENTINFO from arke_ 09:52:41 * Received a CTCP PING 83821424 from arke_ 09:52:41 * Received a CTCP PING 86305424 from arke_ 09:52:41 * Received a CTCP TIME from arke_ 09:52:42 * Received a CTCP FINGER from arke_ 09:52:49 warpzero: yes. sue me. 09:53:18 * warpzero calls up his laywer 09:53:32 suing me for using windows....lol 09:53:43 arke_ must have a red nose already.. ;-) 09:54:09 but don't put it in the wrong hole ;-) 09:56:10 bleh 09:56:13 [04:54:23] but don't put it in the wrong hole ;-) 09:59:11 can switch back to manners, if that's a request.. :)) 09:59:21 no please don't 09:59:27 --- join: I440r_ (~mark4@168-215-246-243.gen.twtelecom.net) joined #forth 09:59:37 the world needs more rude and offensive people :) 09:59:52 lol positive ;-) 10:00:23 Hi 10:00:31 Ho 10:01:14 Hi 10:02:35 sighs 10:02:42 yeah so 10:02:45 back2work 10:02:48 my life is ruined 10:04:58 warpzero: pray 10:05:54 * warpzero prays to the god of f*** 10:07:16 umm what are you praying for, then? 10:07:26 i don't know 10:07:32 i don't know what to do with my life... 10:07:54 Live it. 10:08:06 well uh 10:08:55 i'm doing that but 10:09:16 ..waiting for something more? 10:09:53 i'm just not sure what i should do you know 10:10:19 What makes you think I am? 10:12:17 i don't 10:12:18 but 10:12:23 I plan to sit on IRC until I'm 90 10:12:30 remember the question was what i am i praying about 10:12:32 then I might curl up and die 10:12:36 fridge: i wish i could do that 10:12:40 but i got no internet at home 10:12:52 perhaps you could make it your life goal 10:12:57 to get internet at home 10:13:03 so you can sit on IRC until you're 90 10:13:07 and then curl up and die 10:13:22 I turned 25 on saturday 10:13:30 the last 5 years have just flown by me 10:15:57 nota bene, "not sure" != "don't know" 10:17:22 arke_, yep, SDO in BeOS 10:17:55 SDO: :) 10:19:36 BeOS is DeAD 10:19:36 warpzero: humility clears vision, quite some times shocking ;-) 10:20:07 orly 10:20:18 ? 10:20:31 so you suggest i find some humility eh 10:20:34 s/orly/Oh, really?/ 10:20:50 ic 10:23:19 warpzero: it's mighty peaceful key, we all need it. not you in particular, don't get me wrong. 10:23:24 *a 10:23:41 is there a way to get the xt of the word before last? 10:23:50 last-word only gets the most recent word 10:28:16 warpzero: " sighs" - was my last recent prayer for it, it's a joy, get's me back on track :-) plz don't bother, was about sharing the good, not offending.. 10:30:37 oh i see 10:38:15 aum: why would you want that? :) 10:39:41 aum: if you have a smudging forth, you could probably do something like : : last-word 2ndlast ! : ; 10:39:43 :P 10:42:37 --- join: SolarFire-| (SolarFire@pD9E5999E.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 10:43:55 --- quit: SolarFire (Nick collision from services.) 10:44:13 --- nick: SolarFire-| -> SolarFire 10:45:56 is 2@ "@ dup dup" or "@ SWAP @" ? 10:46:51 neither 10:47:09 dup @ swap 1+ @ 10:47:18 dup @ swap cell+ @ technically 10:48:50 although it may be "dup cell+ @ swap @", depending on the endianness. 10:49:26 oh so it reads two cells from adr? 10:49:44 Yes. 10:49:47 makes sense with the code, tnx 10:50:18 Those pictures of Phoebe are just so nice. 10:50:35 Sorta doesn't really look real. 10:50:55 Still very nice. 10:51:03 phoebe? 10:51:03 Oh, totally. But they seem surreal. 10:51:13 Don't mind if they fake it, as long as they're that nice :) 10:51:16 why am i thinking you're not talking about female? 10:51:32 qFox: Because we're Forth geeks? 10:51:33 Yea, phoebe cates photos. 10:51:37 You haven't seen them? 10:51:45 oh that probe thingie? 10:51:50 yea 10:51:53 ah :) 10:52:08 nah not really facinated by that stuff 10:52:26 hm, or is it fascinated 10:52:42 it is. 10:54:15 I want to build my own probe. 10:55:16 I'd like to build oceanic research platforms, RPVs, and APVs. 10:55:34 What are those TLAs? 10:56:09 Remotely Piloted Vehicles and Autaumomus (fsck, I can't spell it today) PVs. 10:56:49 Autonomously 10:57:12 Program a mission, dump them in the water, pick them up days, weeks, months or years later. 10:59:37 Cool. 10:59:51 I thought about something like that, too. 10:59:58 I just don't know what to do with them. 11:00:15 As I don't like projects with a budget over a few tens of USD ;) 11:00:45 Yah, that's a problem for me, also. 11:01:22 Maybe some light sensor or something 11:01:56 anyknow know what L@ means? 11:02:02 POP EBX ;MEM LOC 11:02:02 POP ECX ;SEG REG VAL 11:02:17 (and more... but these are the parms) 11:02:28 returns something as well 11:02:41 Looks like it's reading a segment:offset pair from the TOS. 11:02:49 PUSH EBX 11:03:15 perhaps a far fetch? 11:03:22 long@ 11:04:13 Is there something like push es, mov es,cx mov bx,es:[bx] in there? 11:04:49 between the pop/push 11:04:50

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