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00:00:00 --- log: started forth/04.06.27 00:00:30 : zzz ['] blah is foo ; 00:00:50 zzz can see blah but words outside this module can only see zzz 00:01:14 i think of as arrows pointing towards where the headerfull words are 00:01:23 oh my god 00:01:24 http://gpf-comics.com/ 00:01:25 lol 00:03:08 --- quit: slava (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00:03:18 wonder if he ever saw my reply lol 00:03:37 lol 00:08:18 --- join: Research (~Research@12-222-128-22.client.insightBB.com) joined #forth 00:09:08 research are you alive ? 00:10:39 or is that someones bot ? 00:11:05 --- join: [Forth] (~Forth@216-110-82-1.gen.twtelecom.net) joined #forth 00:11:14 theres mine :) hehe 00:11:36 --- join: crc (crc@0-1pool88-16.nas48.philadelphia1.pa.us.da.qwest.net) joined #forth 00:15:33 whats the limit of the number of channels someone can be in here ? 00:15:34 --- quit: snowrichard (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00:15:38 research is in LOTS heh 00:19:28 CTCP VERSION reply from Research: mIRC v6.14 Khaled Mardam-Bey 00:20:35 could still be a bot(ish) 00:20:38 script thing 00:21:15 ;) 00:21:22 aww,kc5tja is gone 00:28:28 --- join: lalalim (~lalalim@pD95EAB98.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 00:32:52 I440r: I get an error "unable to join channel #name (too many channels open)" after I open 20 channels 00:33:16 ok well he wasnt on that many - 15 or so i htink 00:33:19 think even 00:33:31 ok 00:33:45 That's still a lot of channels to be on 00:33:47 i dunno if he is a bot or just doesnt speak english or what 00:33:51 ya 00:34:02 im in 12 on 4 different servers 00:36:22 I'm seldom on more than three or four channels at a time 00:44:53 --- join: snowrichard (richard@adsl-068-209-159-248.sip.shv.bellsouth.net) joined #forth 00:44:54 --- quit: lalalim_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00:45:58 --- quit: snowrichard ("Leaving") 01:16:05 --- nick: topher -> topher|zZz 02:10:00 --- join: imaginator (~George@georgeps.dsl.xmission.com) joined #forth 02:30:03 --- join: squire (~rajneesh@202.142.105.254) joined #forth 02:45:29 --- quit: imaginator (".") 02:50:27 --- join: aum (~aum@port-204-54-210.fastadsl.net.nz) joined #forth 02:50:47 --- join: qFox (C00K13S@cp12172-a.roose1.nb.home.nl) joined #forth 02:51:35 hi - is there something similar to 'create' that reads the word from ( addr u -- ) rather than the input buffer? 03:06:15 s" create " EVALUATE 03:06:35 could work... 03:07:07 hehe 03:10:31 not graceful but would work using a string append 03:12:40 Just modify your forth to add it :-) 03:14:18 * aum plays with (create) 03:19:11 --- join: MBitter (~malbi@p508797FA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #forth 03:19:33 --- part: MBitter left #forth 03:25:48 I've nearly forthified an artificial language 03:26:07 it was fortherific 03:32:31 --- quit: squire () 03:34:18 forthtastic 03:43:47 good forthune 03:52:53 --- quit: crc ("Time for bed...") 03:54:51 wikipedia sure is fun sometimes 03:55:50 --- join: snowrichard (richard@adsl-068-209-159-248.sip.shv.bellsouth.net) joined #forth 03:58:38 morning 03:59:11 late night 03:59:24 stayed up all night... 04:00:23 sun is just coming up here now 04:20:16 --- quit: snowrichard ("Leaving") 04:41:05 i typed in esoterica, clicked a few links, and returned the teenage angst of Regan 04:41:20 '--From "Life" by Ronald Reagan, age 17' 04:45:44 --- join: snowrichard (richard@adsl-068-209-159-248.sip.shv.bellsouth.net) joined #forth 05:01:37 --- join: crc (crc@0-1pool176-24.nas6.philadelphia1.pa.us.da.qwest.net) joined #forth 05:04:05 --- quit: snowrichard (Nick collision from services.) 05:04:21 --- join: richard_ (richard@adsl-068-209-159-248.sip.shv.bellsouth.net) joined #forth 05:04:28 --- join: snowrichard (richard@adsl-068-209-159-248.sip.shv.bellsouth.net) joined #forth 05:05:18 --- quit: snowrichard (Client Quit) 05:05:59 --- part: richard_ left #forth 05:09:17 --- quit: crc ("I'll be back...") 06:35:30 --- join: snowrichard (richard@adsl-068-209-159-248.sip.shv.bellsouth.net) joined #forth 06:36:20 hello 06:36:39 --- quit: snowrichard (Client Quit) 06:56:33 --- quit: Research (Remote closed the connection) 06:57:42 --- join: Research (XINU@12-222-128-22.client.insightBB.com) joined #forth 06:57:47 "sun"? What is this "sun"? 07:00:12 yellowish thing that kills on sight. 07:00:19 avoid at all costs 07:01:39 * jc applies an extra layer of black paint to the windows 07:47:36 :) 08:09:38 --- join: Serg (~z@193.201.231.126) joined #forth 08:10:18 hi ! 08:11:06 * Serg is biten hard by mosquitos at friend's countryside house 08:18:43 :/ 08:18:46 But hi :) 08:23:04 my hand hardly bends to hit the trigger ;( 08:24:24 mosqurats :) 08:26:33 do u suffer from them in SE ? 08:27:05 It's not that bad down here 08:27:11 Up north they have more 08:27:36 --- join: blockhead (default@dialin-563-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net) joined #forth 08:27:45 Hi blockhead 08:27:53 hey Robert, wassup? 08:27:59 my new gun's scope is off by few moons ;( 08:28:29 we tryed to adjust it by puting bottle plastic under holding rings 08:28:30 Serg: can they be calibrated (by the end user) 08:28:35 ? 08:29:00 off so hard, needs metalwork to put in line 08:29:07 bummage 08:29:12 What kind of gun? 08:29:34 spring-piston 4.5mm 08:29:46 air rifle? 08:29:53 yeah 08:30:06 why even bother with a scope? =)( 08:30:16 4.5mm... Is that .177 or .22 cal? 08:30:25 .155 08:30:33 err .177 08:31:10 w/ a good rifle u can hit crow head at 50m - scope is a must 08:31:16 fridge, there are people out there that do serious competition shooting with air rifles. I dunno about spring piston types, but some air rifles are very precise out past 200yds. 08:32:01 spring aren't so precise 08:32:22 PCP (precharged pneumatics) has almost no recoil and is very accurate 08:32:36 but costs >300-500 08:32:49 mine costs 50$ 08:33:02 What's important is that you're enjoying it. 08:33:21 $600 air gun is useless if it just sits in a closet. 08:33:29 my hands and eye are _much_ less precise 08:34:00 i was mega hu then i hit bottle farther than i can see it by naked eye 08:34:17 hu? 08:34:31 high. typo 08:34:49 :D (me is the king of typos) 08:35:05 thai-pos 08:35:15 :D 08:35:31 but today i was madly disappointed - at 10m i missed A4 w/ scope ;( but hit 3-5 cm circle (standing, no rest) w/ open sight 08:37:36 friend of mine hits thumb-thick wood stub from 30m out of my rifle (he has the same one but in wooden stock, mine is plastic) 08:38:28 Yea, but did he do it twice? Otherwise it's just luck. 08:38:49 we had no spare stub ;)) 08:39:03 one of 2-3 shots i think 08:40:04 I once had a Daisy BB rifle with no sights. You cocked it by pushing the barrel down. I shot at a cardinal about 20 feet away, and was rather upset when I hit it. Worse, it was slow to die. I was like 6 or 7. I *really* didn't like that. 08:40:29 I had NO expectation of hitting it, but was either very lucky or unlucky, depending on how you choose to look at it. 08:40:46 cardinal ? 08:40:52 little red bird. 08:41:34 folks hunt crows here ^) 08:42:21 btw, many Finnish 'coockoo' sniper shot w/ no scopes, just open sight 08:42:32 It's one thing when you intend to kill the animal. I didn't really want to hit the bird, as it was just chirping away. I think that's when I really appreciated the rule about never shoot at something you don't intend to hit. 08:43:01 But what does a 6 year old know? 6 year olds are stupid. 08:43:28 And shouldn't have weapons that are not supervised by parents. 08:43:44 the one who gives gun to a kid is stupid in square ;(( 08:44:09 if I recall correctly, at six you are just stargin kindergarden ... too young to have a gun? 08:44:09 starting 08:44:26 I'm trying to remember if I found it, or how I got ahold of it. I don't remember my parents giving it to me. I wonder if I found it in a closet somewhere. 08:44:38 ;) 08:44:57 pistol or rifle ? 08:45:03 rifle 08:45:09 oops 08:46:06 at airgunners forum, i heard how kids fired heavy Diana 48 - sure, under hard supervision 08:47:32 I'm more against shooting animal unneccessarily, than people. I don't mind hunting in the least, although it's not something I do. Mostly because it involves "going outside" :) I believe in hunting for sport if you're going to use the kill, and hunting for population control (like deer overrunning an area). I don't believe in hunting just to hang it's head on a wall, especaially big game. 08:48:35 here war is declared against crows, wolves, jackals etc.. 08:48:49 hunt control office gives reward for them 08:49:02 wow 08:49:08 And these arial wolf kills they're doing in Alaska really piss me off. Real sporting, hunting from a helicopter. And then these asshole hunters claim that wolves are taking the big game, while wolves actually cull the weak and sick, and the goddamn hunters are killing the healthy animals. 08:49:41 * Serg dislikes "going outside" too 08:49:44 I'd like to give the wolves some Stinger missiles to return fire. 08:50:08 hehe 08:50:36 in some far RU areas, wolves terrorize peasants w/ their cattle, let alone any deers 08:51:10 so they pay the last money to hunters to get rid of wolves 08:51:32 I know that wolves will go after livestock, particularly in areas where their food sources have been decimated by farming. I have yet to hear of a wolve attack by a healthy wolf. Wolves do not like people, and will avoid them at almost all costs. 08:52:06 Besides, wolves don't like peasants. They're too stringy. 08:52:25 :) 08:52:30 yeah, volves like cows and sheeps 08:52:57 and they kill more than can eat - to have a spare 08:53:29 Are these plains wolves or forest wolves? 08:54:00 both 08:54:17 What are, specifically (I'm looking on a map, or trying to) 08:54:21 er, area. 08:55:33 so what the poor peasant can do, if he has only damn old shotgun, few poor ammo and no shooting skill ? 08:56:01 look stringy? 09:04:53 --- join: Herkamire (~jason@h000094d30ba2.ne.client2.attbi.com) joined #forth 09:08:02 --- quit: Serg () 09:14:43 commit suicide. 09:19:48 me? 09:20:31 no, the peasnant 09:20:34 peasant 09:24:30 --- quit: [Forth] ("abort" Reality Strikes Again"") 09:57:00 --- quit: fridge (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 09:57:32 --- join: fridge (~fridge@dsl-203-33-162-85.NSW.netspace.net.au) joined #forth 10:14:20 --- quit: jc (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10:18:22 --- quit: I440r (Remote closed the connection) 10:21:27 --- join: I440r (~mark4@216-110-82-1.gen.twtelecom.net) joined #forth 10:33:49 http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/06/26/2153230&mode=thread&tid=102&tid=108&tid=126&tid=156&tid=187 10:54:53 --- join: networm (~networm@L0650P16.dipool.highway.telekom.at) joined #forth 11:06:01 --- quit: I440r ("Leaving") 11:14:16 lets port it to forth! 11:17:45 porting fava to forth is like using your ferarri as a city bus 11:17:59 whats wrong with that? 11:18:00 java, even :D 11:18:05 although fava sounds nicer 11:18:34 qFox: port it and then tell me afterwards ;) 11:19:04 the hell i will 11:19:05 :) 11:19:20 :D 11:34:14 --- join: jc (~jcw@65.3.39.49) joined #forth 11:35:42 --- quit: networm (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 11:45:45 --- quit: Research (Remote closed the connection) 11:46:58 --- join: Reasarx (XINU@12-222-128-22.client.insightBB.com) joined #forth 11:54:24 --- nick: topher|zZz -> topher 11:59:40 --- join: slava (~slava@CPE00096ba44261-CM000e5cdfda14.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #forth 11:59:59 hey slava 12:01:22 --- join: SolarFire (~SolarFire@pD9EE1DF3.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 12:03:15 hey 12:04:18 howdy slava 12:05:43 my new inner interpreter almost has enough to support hashtables 12:06:00 once hashtables work, i can do namespaces and vocabularies, and then start rewriting the outer interpreter from java to factor 12:06:47 much nicer having a small C core and writing everything else in factor, than the large java core 12:07:03 * blockhead is doodling ideas for : on paper 12:07:20 hehe 12:07:24 you need a lot of support for : 12:07:42 yes 12:07:52 is your kernel in asm? 12:08:05 not only that, but sevearl different words are intedependent with : 12:08:13 yes, asm 12:08:24 in gforth they write : : .... ; 12:08:28 metacompiling 12:08:38 how many lines of asm? and how big is the resulting executable? 12:09:05 I havn't counted the lines, but the executable is 3k 12:09:13 hehe my executable is 10k right now 12:09:39 bloated eh :) 12:09:47 it provides less than yours (no text interpreter for instance) 12:10:15 for c, 10k is good 12:19:10 blockhead: do you implement all your stack ops as primitives, or just a small set? 12:19:27 right now i have stuff like : 2dup over over ; : -rot rot rot ; and such, but i wonder if this will hurt performance compared to native coded ops 12:20:18 I wanted to minimize the number of primary word, so I did like you did. It will be a slowdown but I can live with that. 12:20:45 it makes it easiler later on, for porting 12:21:03 easier 12:21:19 * blockhead marvels at his typos 12:21:31 so far i have 34 primitives 12:22:19 when done there will be a few more than a forth, since in my language linked lists and arrays are handled by the kernel, and you cannot read/write memory directly 12:24:21 ok 12:24:33 34 is good 12:24:40 I probably have more :/ 12:24:52 I implemnted the file words as primary words 12:25:05 oh i haven't done I/O yet. 12:25:17 ! 12:25:20 and also once i add words for all the types of numbers i support there will be more. ratios, complex numbers, floats 12:25:47 blockhead: it loads a memory dump on startup, and prints the stack on exit. the memory dump is generated by factor code running in the java interpreter 12:25:47 a ratio number type? like a fraction? neat! 12:25:51 yup. 12:25:58 10 30 / . 1/3 ok 12:26:04 10 30 /f . 0.333333 ok 12:26:17 wicked 12:26:21 like that 12:26:31 nice 12:26:32 as you can guess the language is dynamically typed 12:27:05 it adds a bit of overhead but i can live with that. 12:27:20 advantages include only one set of arithemtic words that work with all types, and more meaningful .s 12:27:23 makes it easier later on? 12:27:50 combined with the fact the VM doesn't allow direct memory access, it means factor programs can never crash due to pointer bugs 12:28:02 slava: you gonna have a random nubmer genrator built in (I'm ponderign this on my forth right now) 12:28:36 i guess i can use the one in the C library 12:28:51 oh, I forgot about that :D 12:29:41 I am undicided as to put in a routines to get the date time (and then leave rnd numbers up to forth programmers later on) or sjust put in a random function in asm and have it seed itself at startup 12:29:54 keep things as simple as possible 12:30:03 its easier to debug a rng in forth than asm 12:30:11 good point 12:31:05 espeically since I'll be using arc4 for the random number generator 12:31:32 it is complicated enough that I'de rather do it in forth 12:32:25 --- quit: topher (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 12:41:06 --- join: I440r (~mark4@216-110-82-1.gen.twtelecom.net) joined #forth 12:45:04 * slava arrgghs 12:45:09 my mod primitive in the C kernel was doing * 12:45:13 i was wondering wtf was going on 12:45:15 slava di dyou see my reply last night ? 12:45:22 the one to "what are headerless words for" ? 12:45:45 no 12:45:50 sorry 12:47:34 then ill repeat 12:48:06 headerless words help keep the cruft out of the dictionary. if you fill the dictionary with all the crufty words compiles get slower and slower 12:48:21 plus it allows you keep words specific to a given module 12:48:29 as an OOP guy im supprised you didnt get this :P 12:50:36 oh 12:50:39 so its like a 'private word' 12:51:48 yes 12:53:18 why are you anti-ANS? 12:53:18 in isforth turns them back on again within a module 12:53:28 i think of them as arrows pointing to wards where the headers are 12:53:40 because its a very complex solution to a very simple problem 12:53:58 and because the authors had repeated GAY moments whith their name choices 12:54:00 bleh 12:54:26 like the people who run this irc server when they did THEIR name change lol 12:55:09 --- join: default_ (default@dialin-564-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net) joined #forth 12:55:15 < headers : blah ..... ; headers> : foo .... blah .... ; 12:55:26 --- quit: blockhead (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 12:55:34 any word inside this module can see the word blah but npbpdy outside it can 12:55:36 --- nick: default_ -> block_head 12:55:52 but the reason i added headerless words to isforth is to keep the cruft out of the dictionary 12:55:55 --- nick: block_head -> block_head0 12:56:03 information hiding is very unforthlike. forth is all about SHARING :) 12:56:29 yeah but if you use hashing, isn't the slowdown a non-issue? 12:56:41 no 12:56:52 it also fills up "words" with the cruft 12:56:58 cant see the forest for the trees 12:57:12 --- nick: block_head0 -> freenote_suxors 12:57:29 even with hashing you can see a marked decrease in compile times if you put EVERYTHING in your dictionary 12:57:52 what about vocabulary lists? have a 'internals' vocabulary 12:58:02 and remove it from the search order when you're done 12:58:19 --- quit: freenote_suxors (Client Quit) 12:58:19 i dont know what you mean 12:58:33 you have just one big list of words right? 12:58:41 you mean vocabularies inside vocabularies ? 12:58:44 no 12:58:56 a vocabulary is an array of threads 12:59:18 the thread a given word is attached to is dependant on its hash value 12:59:34 each vocabulary is linked to the previous 12:59:46 so i have a linked list of arrays of threads 13:00:07 a given vocabulary is only "in context" if its in another array called "context" 13:00:13 the context array is the search order 13:00:23 this is where the only also words come into play 13:00:29 however isforth has NO also word 13:00:48 i never understood the 'also 'word 13:00:54 ill explain it 13:01:07 only removes all words from the context stack except "root" 13:01:16 right 13:01:27 and also adds to the context stack? 13:01:27 but theres an inconsistency with "also" 13:01:30 if you say only forth 13:01:34 you get "root forth" 13:01:41 with forth at the top of context 13:01:51 if you then say "compiler" you get 13:01:54 "root compiler" 13:01:58 you just replaced forth 13:02:03 if you say only forth also you get 13:02:10 "root forth forth" 13:02:20 so you have to do only forth also compiler 13:02:25 ok 13:02:30 why donbt you have to say only also forth also compiler 13:02:34 its an inconsistency 13:02:42 in isforth you dont have also 13:02:55 becase when you add a vocabulary to context it doesnt replace the top item 13:02:58 its like having to do 13:03:04 1 dup 2 dup 3 to get 1 2 and 3 on the stack 13:03:06 its DUMB 13:03:15 i have something similar, if you write IN: foo, new words get defined in the 'foo' vocab; if you write USE: foo it adds 'foo' to the search order for existing lists 13:03:20 only forth compiler 13:03:22 also 13:03:25 if you do 13:03:31 only forht also forth also forth 13:03:45 theres a possability that you wil lbe searching forth THRE$E times 13:03:56 to prevent this they use "prior-check" 13:04:14 you wont search the same vocabulary in 2 consecutive searches 13:04:22 sounds too complicated for its own good ;) 13:04:23 but you an still do only forth also foo also forth also foo 13:04:31 is only/also ANS? 13:04:33 its all a KLUDGE fix 13:04:38 in isforth you do 13:04:44 only forth compiler 13:04:53 and you have root forth compiler on the context stack 13:05:08 if you then say root then you dont get root there again cuz its already in context 13:05:15 it simply rotates out to the top of the stack 13:05:23 you get forth compiler root 13:05:29 makes MUCH more sense to me 13:05:48 you cant have the same vocabulary in context more than once 13:05:54 EVER 13:06:39 --- join: topher (~chris@lsanca1-ar42-4-61-175-184.lsanca1.dsl-verizon.net) joined #forth 13:12:29 --- join: Topaz (~top@spc1-horn1-6-0-cust217.cosh.broadband.ntl.com) joined #forth 13:27:00 --- join: proteusguy (~proteusgu@69.79.24.31) joined #forth 13:38:47 --- quit: topher (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13:46:23 horray 13:46:24 hashtables work 13:47:43 :) 14:31:59 --- join: jdrake (irc_user@CPE00045afdd0e8-CM014410113717.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #forth 14:32:30 hi jdrake 14:33:37 hello 14:43:28 I440r, you still awake? 14:48:59 --- join: SDO (~SDO@68.170.20.201) joined #forth 14:51:15 yes 14:51:19 whussup ? 14:51:47 Is there anything in isforth that might prevent it from being used as a CGI app? 14:52:17 no but thers some issues your "cgi" script has to take care of 14:52:29 or you will get "uninitialized execution vector" 14:52:33 I'm thinking about implementing a forth based CGI script, and before I get too far down the path to hell, I just wanted to check if you were already aware of any issues. 14:52:42 Such as? 14:53:29 when you run an isforth source as a cgi script the default init chain (default) has not been run 14:53:38 you will probably have to run some of the things in there by hand 14:54:01 How is it knowing the difference between being run as a normal app and a CGI app? 14:54:03 im not sure which one it is that aborts onyou but you get an "uninitialized execution vector" when you do it 14:54:36 because your script will have to be +x and its shebang will have to be #! /path/to/isforth -sfload 14:55:16 -sfload will eventually run the parts of default that are required but i jsut didnt get arround to it 14:55:18 Ah. I was trying to decide between an interpeted app and a turnkey. 14:55:46 oh if you run a compiled application you wont have this problem hehe 14:55:55 but it will be SPECIFIC to the cgi useage 14:56:03 yea, sure. 14:56:05 i.e. it wont have any application except as a cgi app 14:56:21 Most don't. CGI apps usuall aren't general purpose. 14:56:23 grrr mythtv is a PILE OF SHIT 14:56:42 install 280765429387465237849 other packages just tog et it to run and it STILL cant fscking play my freekin tv 14:56:49 I played with that about a year ago, and was a little underwhelmed. 14:57:12 it cant even run in a freekin window, it has to steal my whole fscking display 14:57:16 BAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 14:58:54 time to start on my string implementation 14:59:07 man, i can't believe how much more compact my arrays/linked lists/hashtables are than java's LOL 14:59:18 compact in terms of code, and memory usage at runtime 14:59:30 well of corse 14:59:38 java is BLOATware 14:59:40 eg if you want a linked list in java, you have your 8 byte object header, and 4 bytes for the car/cdr fields 14:59:50 so a linked list of 100 integers will use 1600 bytes 14:59:54 forth is more space efficient than pure assembler in almost ANY non trivial app 15:00:12 in my VM, well a linked list node only uses 8 bytes obviously 15:00:22 That's only because most programmers can't maintain the focus over a large assembly application. 15:01:03 Individual modules, subs, whatever are efficient or compact, but passing parameters and communicating between subsystems is where the human mind starts to be less consistent than a compiler. 15:01:07 ok, time for a design decision - 8 byte chars or 16 byte chars 15:01:21 i'm tempted to do the latter 15:01:22 Of course, for a reall huge application in any language, this holds true. It's a matter of scale. 15:01:33 --- join: warpzero (~warpzero@dsl.219.mt.onewest.net) joined #forth 15:01:35 how about we be radical and use ONE byte chars 15:01:36 16 *byte* characters? WTF? 15:01:44 i mean bit not byte 15:01:48 oh 15:01:52 obviously 15:01:52 Sure you're not doing Chinese pictograms? 15:01:55 unicode lol 15:02:26 Seriously, unless you have some compelling reason (like targetting microcontrollers instead of PCs), I'd use 16 so you can do unicode if you choose. 15:02:36 yea 15:02:48 this language is intended for web app development 15:03:24 hey guys 15:05:05 hey 15:05:42 i'm disappointed the new kernel is still so large 15:06:09 its getting bigger and bigger all the time :) 15:06:15 thats progress 15:06:16 hehe 15:06:21 to ask a silly question, what is reckoned to be the fastest PC forth? 15:06:59 Topaz: probably isforth ;) 15:07:50 Topaz: bigforth is more standard & its the fastest according to the "great programming languages shoutcast" (or what) 15:08:45 I440r: how much work is it to get isforth running on fbsd? 15:09:14 hey guess what I440r 15:09:19 i don't need isforth for ppc anymore 15:09:23 CUZ IT FUCKIN DIED 15:09:32 slava ALL the syscalls need to be reworked 15:09:59 oh i could try running it with linux compat 15:10:03 the syscall.1 file needs very small mods but isforth.asm and the other places were syscalls are made will need some very very very carefull work done on them 15:10:04 that simulates linux syscalls 15:10:07 do you use libc though 15:10:11 i make use of some LINUX specific calls 15:10:18 do i FSCK use libc 15:10:26 i dont use ANY stinkin external libs at all 15:10:39 it does run in linux compat 15:10:40 Are you aware of LiNa forth, another forth that can generate turnkey elfs? 15:10:47 seen it 15:10:51 its fig forth 15:11:00 so so so last century 15:11:09 what's wrong with figforth 15:11:10 but still good :) 15:11:20 it beats the heck outa ans 15:11:23 Or as they like to say, "LiNa is a native linux implementation of ISO forth, derivative of F83" 15:11:26 which isnt even forth imho 15:11:35 sure its forth, with a huge vocabulary 15:11:37 its ISO ? 15:11:39 argh 15:11:45 ans is NOT forth 15:12:00 "the ans forth standard does not describe the forth language but a language of the same name" 15:12:00 what is forth 15:12:03 -- chuck moore 15:12:11 almost anything except ans 15:12:12 chunk has said a lot of odd thigns :) 15:12:13 :P 15:12:20 that one is 100% correct 15:13:08 I always have this vision of your mouth foaming as you type, any time anyone mentions ANS. 15:13:20 not quite 15:13:20 I440r: isforth works 15:13:22 but close :) 15:13:23 I440r: :) 15:13:27 I440r: except . is undefined? 15:13:29 in fbsd ? 15:13:32 2 2 + . . ? 15:13:34 yes 15:13:37 dot is not undefined at all 15:13:41 did you extend ? 15:13:45 oh no :) 15:13:47