00:00:00 --- log: started forth/04.06.23 00:20:33 --- quit: imaginator (".") 00:21:28 --- quit: kc5tja ("THX QSO ES 73 DE KC5TJA/6 CL ES QRT AR SK") 00:27:48 --- join: lalalim_ (~lalalim@pD95EAC9C.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 00:36:20 --- quit: lalalim (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 01:11:31 --- quit: Herkamire ("'night") 01:24:54 --- quit: topher ("Client Exiting") 01:25:47 --- join: topher (~chris@lsanca1-ar42-4-61-175-184.lsanca1.dsl-verizon.net) joined #forth 01:26:10 --- nick: topher -> topher|zZz 01:27:25 --- quit: madgarden (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03:27:37 --- join: qFox (C00K13S@cp12172-a.roose1.nb.home.nl) joined #forth 03:36:17 --- quit: Klaw (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04:07:14 --- join: solar_angel (~jenni@Toronto-HSE-ppp3685160.sympatico.ca) joined #forth 04:17:18 Hi, angel of Forth 04:17:28 hilo Robert :) 04:17:30 En hoi, qFox 04:29:19 i came up with a cool concept in my FORTH engine today. 04:29:27 it just came to me as i was trying to sleep 04:29:53 instead of using a mix of regular and immediate words... 04:30:00 oh hi 04:30:03 heh 04:30:08 i have two entries on each word... one for the regular version, and another for the immediate. 04:30:18 in interactive mode, all calls are to the regular version 04:30:37 in compilation mode, it calls the immediate version if one is present, or compiles a link to the regular one if it is not 04:36:14 Don't a lot of Forths use that? 04:37:25 i have no idea 04:37:25 it's quite possible. 04:37:25 anyway, the cool part is it lets me hook in my optimizer later. 04:37:25 (i'm now actively working towards my optimizer) 04:39:09 :) 04:39:10 I remember I did something similar, but I didn't think of making them separate dictionaries 04:39:10 As I'm told e.g. ColorForth does. 04:39:10 they're not seperate dictionary. 04:39:10 err, seperate dictionaries 04:39:12 it's a single cell in the header that points to the immediate version 04:39:12 the immediate flag was insufficiently flexible. 04:39:12 and i finally removed my dependancy on ld. 04:39:12 my OS currently depends only on nasm, although it makes use of a few other tools that could easily be replaced. 04:42:18 (m4 as a glorified cat, dd to make binaries, and mtools to make floppy images) 04:42:18 Yeah, I did something like that. Not sure what exactly the advantages of a separate dictionary is. 04:42:19 no idea. 04:43:48 i also had this brilliant and/or evil idea. 04:45:24 a "safe language" that sits atop my FORTH system. 04:45:26 basically as an application-level programming environment. 04:45:26 I don't have any experience of implementing those. 04:45:37 Do you think it will be possible/evilish hard/easy..? 04:45:37 i don't have as much as i'd like. 04:45:37 relatively easy, actually, since FORTH does all the really icky stuff for me. 04:45:37 basically, it's just a layer that sits atop FORTH and calls the various compiling words 04:45:39 like, if you enter "IF this > that THEN", it'd notice "IF" and execute a word called something like FORMULA, which would reduce the infix to FORTH notation 04:45:39 and then it would push "this @ that @ > IF" into the FORTH compiler 04:45:41 (and yes, i'm obtuse enough to base my language on a BASIC-like syntax...) 04:45:41 (the odd part is that even with that syntax, it still drives an optimizing code generator, so it would make nice, fast code....) 04:45:41 How does that make the language safer? 04:45:41 well, it doesn't allow the programmer to directly hack at memory or the like. 04:45:43 and it handles all the memory management itself. 04:45:44 How will you do with arrays and such? 04:45:44 a mixture of compile-time and run-time bounds checking. 04:45:44 deferred to runtime only when it's impossible to do at compile time. 04:45:44 Doesn't sound like a too bad idea. 04:45:44 But I bet you'll find out there's some evil problem with it later... 04:45:44 well, the point is to make a RAD language for application-development. 04:45:44 well, i've done one prototype of a similar system already 04:45:44 ages ago, written in C (but generating FORTH)... 04:45:44 and it worked alright 04:46:51 Nice. Hope it works out... 04:46:51 the evil problem is the garbage collector, truthfully... it's the one part i still haven't really worked out 04:47:01 Hehe. 04:47:03 i hope so too... still a future project though 04:47:21 i have to finish the assembler and optimizers and a bunch of hardware support before i even really look at it 05:03:52 anybody thought about using forth for next generation cpu's yet? 05:04:05 next generation CPU's? 05:04:59 optical or even calculating on a molecular basis 05:05:23 I don't know how stack-friendly DNA is. 05:05:56 no... but i've considered using it on a 27-trit balanced ternary machine. 05:05:59 dna would be biological, molecular is sub 05:08:59 Robert: indeed, that's a concern 05:10:21 solar_angel: considered, how detailed? ;-) 05:11:45 SolarFire - well, i was trying to design some efficient MOS devices for trinary logic... 05:12:00 but i got sidetracked by one of my more mainstream projects 05:15:30 ic. still on your prj stack? 05:15:36 somewhere. 05:15:54 but my current architecture is a bit more interesting in the short-term... 05:16:07 mid-scale asymmetric multiprocessing on-die. 05:16:27 basically, every device has a version of the same CPU as the main one (a 16 or 32 bit, depending on the device) 05:16:57 the main core has a 6-CPU set, two of which have special features (one has an FPU, the other an integer mul/div unit) 05:17:40 the neat part about it is that if you want to play an mp3, you tell the harddrive controller processor to stream the file to the sound controller processor, and get the sound controller processor to decode the MP3 data, all without hitting the main CPU at all. 05:18:33 do you have experience w/ *analog* distribution/multiprocessing? 05:18:48 analog? 05:18:54 or hybrid? 05:19:01 analog computers are totally different from digital 05:19:04 you can't run FORTH on one 05:19:10 you can sure run a nice PID controller on one though 05:20:42 ok the concept for analog/hybrid must be quite different. but forth is a philosophy, no? 05:21:13 analog is much more than adding currencies 05:21:39 adding currencies? 05:21:46 at least on a hybrid mass distributed basis 05:23:05 sec 05:23:42 * solar_angel is confused, honestly. 05:24:20 currents, voltage 05:24:37 oh. 05:24:47 have you ever used an analog computer before? 05:25:17 instead of boolean logic, the things solve *systems of differential equations* 05:25:39 it can get pretty mindwarping if you're not a calculus guru :P 05:25:40 yes 05:25:51 and yes 05:26:53 solar_angel: your brain has an analog basis, even if there's boolean built on top.. 05:27:25 there's not much boolean in the brain, sorry. 05:27:32 NN's are fun to toy around with though 05:27:45 i had a blast a few years back with an old quickcam and a NN. 05:28:26 one version would go catatonic when it saw a bright light. 05:28:56 solar_angel: don't say sorry, unless you're an expert or in sync ;-) 05:29:28 in sync? 05:29:32 nm continue, interesting.. 05:29:47 phone, sec 05:30:07 i don't claim to be an expert... but i'm not new to this area either. 05:34:44 ok your mind my do analog, intellect is based on boolean though (even if it's rarely obvious..) 05:34:56 s/my/may/ 05:35:32 how is intellect based on boolean? 05:36:05 it's much more a case of weighted-sums than boolean logic. 05:38:10 (to be in sync ie. pervading the argument) 05:38:42 intellect lat. inter legere 05:39:06 is based on and targeted at decision 05:39:30 right foot, left foot 05:39:55 alright, help me out here... what dialect are you speaking? 05:40:28 ? 05:41:25 i can't understand what you're saying. 05:41:30 it's as if we're speaking different languages. 05:41:39 and for all i know, we may be 05:43:48 nm it's a deep topic 05:45:25 what's a deep topic? 05:45:44 ok do you know the phenomenologic difference between mind and intellect in your own experience? 05:46:28 the mind and the roots of intellect is a deep topic 05:47:08 true... the origins of the word "phenomenologic" are much shallower though 05:47:29 Speaking of which, I'm reading The Lives of Animals by Coetzee. 05:47:32 http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=phenomenologic 05:47:42 again... are we speaking the same language? 05:49:59 sighs. excuse the missing of *al* in phenomenologic. it's a common mistake by non-natives 05:50:51 you're a non-native speaker using such verbiage? 05:51:56 for me this is almost native 05:52:10 alright. 05:52:24 just the latin to english translation sometimes is a bit buggy.. 05:52:51 now i'm confused again. 05:53:15 i have a deeply founded reason to say phenomenologic*al* 05:55:02 *nods* i can see why... taking the philosophical instead of the computational road. 05:55:22 solar_angel: sorry, better the lat/gr translation to english. 05:58:13 solar_angel: yes, since we're trying to mirror human intelligence into external devices, aren't we? 05:59:14 are we? 05:59:44 in my experience, human intelligence is not actually a single entity, and the vast majority of "humans" possess little more "intelligence" than overglorified monkeys. 06:00:08 and the vast majority of progress comes from a handful of people who have a totally *different* kind of intelligence. 06:01:57 ok also wasn't too happy about using the word intelligence either 06:03:31 but, there's a strong and common wish for more *intelligent* computers all over, no? 06:03:58 maybe. 06:07:01 then, assuming we won't use extraterrestrial intelligence as model, we will look at the human evolution and it's results as the model, no? 06:07:37 not necessarily. 06:07:46 why should we reinvent instead of innovating? 06:07:46 "maybe" what makes you doubt? 06:10:24 sounds a bit like you're not quite satiesfied w/ the possibilities of human *mind*. well, w/ the intellect, that's understandable.. ;-) 06:12:04 since we have some amount of freedom, we have the freedom to choose noncunstructive paths and developments too.. 06:13:45 if the father does marvelleous things, the son will love to do the same. except, maybe, something is missing.. 06:20:50 Robert: good point :-) do you eat meat? 06:28:11 solar_angel: hope i didn't offend you in a way.. 06:28:19 meeting afk bbl 06:29:38 i'm not offended... i've heard the philosophy of thought lines before, and i mostly just don't care for a lot of postmodern deconstructionist analysis. blue is red, up is down, and all that good stuff. 06:36:05 SolarFire: Yes. 07:32:41 Robert: aww, and i thought you would prefer to let them alive. Since hearing and smelling them in the slaughterhouse, i do. And surprise, w/o missing anything. 07:40:36 solar_angel: pardon? to what on earth do you please relate "philosophy of thought lines", "postmodern deconstructionist analysis" or "blue is red, up is down, and all that good stuff" to? - Now, i can perfectly well understand you "just don't care" and *that* Is OK.. 07:41:56 SolarFire - just that there's a whole thriving community of AI "experts" from the philosophy field. 07:42:30 and i find most of the lines of reasoning produced thusly to be, at the best, ambiguous, and at the worst, blatantly flawed. 07:44:17 --- quit: lalalim_ (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 07:44:17 --- quit: I440r (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 07:44:17 --- quit: Robert (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 07:44:17 --- quit: ChanServ (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 07:44:17 --- quit: qFox (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 07:44:18 --- quit: fridge (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 07:44:18 --- quit: SDO (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 07:44:19 --- quit: ianp (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 07:51:11 --- quit: SolarFire (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 07:51:11 --- quit: slava (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 07:51:13 --- quit: cmeme (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 07:51:13 --- quit: skylan (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 07:51:13 --- quit: solar_angel (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 07:51:13 --- quit: topher|zZz (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 07:51:13 --- quit: jc (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 07:51:13 --- quit: arke (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 07:51:14 --- quit: Fractal (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 07:51:14 --- quit: mur (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 07:55:52 --- join: ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) joined #forth 07:55:52 --- join: I440r_ (~mark4@168-215-246-243.gen.twtelecom.net) joined #forth 07:55:52 --- join: Robert (~snofs@c-bf5a71d5.17-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined #forth 07:55:52 --- join: I440r (~FooBlah@216-110-82-1.gen.twtelecom.net) joined #forth 07:55:52 --- join: lalalim_ (~lalalim@pD95EAC9C.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 07:55:52 --- join: fridge (~fridge@dsl-203-33-162-85.NSW.netspace.net.au) joined #forth 07:55:52 --- join: SDO (~SDO@68.170.20.201) joined #forth 07:55:52 --- join: qFox (C00K13S@cp12172-a.roose1.nb.home.nl) joined #forth 07:55:52 --- join: solar_angel (~jenni@Toronto-HSE-ppp3685160.sympatico.ca) joined #forth 07:55:52 --- join: topher|zZz (~chris@lsanca1-ar42-4-61-175-184.lsanca1.dsl-verizon.net) joined #forth 07:55:52 --- join: SolarFire (SolarFire@pD9545EA0.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 07:55:52 --- join: jc (~jcw@65.3.39.49) joined #forth 07:55:52 --- join: arke (~arke@melrose-251-251.flexabit.net) joined #forth 07:55:52 --- join: slava (~slava@CPE00096ba44261-CM000e5cdfda14.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #forth 07:55:52 --- join: skylan (~sjh@vickesh01-4831.tbaytel.net) joined #forth 07:55:52 --- join: cmeme (~cmeme@216.184.11.30.unused.swcp.com) joined #forth 07:55:52 --- join: mur (~mur@smtp.uiah.fi) joined #forth 07:55:52 --- join: Fractal (jah@selling.kernels.to.linus.torvalds.at.hcsw.org) joined #forth 07:55:52 --- mode: irc.freenode.net set +o ChanServ 07:56:02 --- join: ianp (ian@inpuj.net) joined #forth 07:57:23 SolarFire: Actually, I'm not a big fan of meat products 07:57:38 SolarFire: But having a bunch of hardcore anti-vegetarians around you doesn't help. 08:01:45 --- quit: ChanServ (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 08:01:45 --- quit: qFox (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 08:01:45 --- quit: fridge (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 08:01:45 --- quit: SDO (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 08:08:45 --- join: ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) joined #forth 08:08:45 --- join: qFox (C00K13S@cp12172-a.roose1.nb.home.nl) joined #forth 08:08:45 --- join: SDO (~SDO@68.170.20.201) joined #forth 08:08:45 --- join: fridge (~fridge@dsl-203-33-162-85.NSW.netspace.net.au) joined #forth 08:08:45 --- mode: irc.freenode.net set +o ChanServ 08:08:49 --- quit: ianp (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 08:12:06 --- join: ianp (ian@inpuj.net) joined #forth 08:12:19 solar_angel: oh, i take this word simply from it's greek roots.. not more, not less, no labels or theories. simply, as it IS. ;-) Forget phenomenological theory (whatever that might be?) and just take it as bare as written, if you care. I'm not a parrot, my reflection is worth a while, substancial. Conciousness is beyond labels, as you know. 08:12:21 ok... 08:12:23 Robert: know what you mean, but when is fundamentalism a good thing? 08:12:25 SolarFire: When the fundament is right. 08:12:25 :-) 08:12:25 ok, that is when? 08:12:26 I guess. 08:12:26 is very amazed by Robert's answer 08:12:26 "the scientific method is better than blind faith" 08:12:34 i think that's about the only time. 08:12:54 it's one of those single-point absolutes... like, "intolerance is intolerable" 08:13:11 Hehe. 08:13:27 lol 08:13:44 Hi I440r_ 08:14:50 :-) what about "The truth is not democratic" 08:15:07 What is the truth, then? 08:15:29 the truth is out there? 08:15:30 republican 08:15:32 :) 08:15:53 Haha. 08:16:09 I440r: lol you know who plays the music, right? 08:16:15 ? 08:17:09 I440r_: just a word picture.. 08:18:19 oh democratic vs. republican, seen just now 08:18:29 hrmm 08:18:41 Those are different? 08:19:51 no, i don't see the US American Democratic Party not as the incarnation of Democracy 08:20:42 I don't see it as anything other than a way for people to get high positions in the government. 08:22:56 they certainly have an idea of what democracy is, but incarnation of a principle is another thing 08:26:39 Heh. 08:26:58 Their idea of democracy is - we must control the people so that the people think they control us. 08:27:46 "The truth is not democratic" is a teaser of course, but actually we can't vote about a factum to be existant or not. 08:28:09 :) 08:43:18 ok nuff provocation b2 work 08:43:30 thx learned a lot 08:43:44 See you 08:43:59 especially thx for your patience solar_angel ;-) 08:44:33 ~~ afk 08:48:33 --- quit: solar_angel ("latersness.") 08:49:21 Hi. 08:58:36 I see you're arguing the two party system, when in reality we're not (although effectively we are). If people would quit with this "I'm just wasting my vote" crap, we could get a lot more Libertarians into office. 09:11:31 i want 100% hardcore TRUE republicans in office 09:11:37 and in both the house and senate 09:11:40 and on the bench 09:11:59 its all the liberal bed wetters on the bench right now thats fucking this country up 09:12:01 BIG TIME 09:12:02 grrr 09:12:04 :) 09:16:10 If it weren't for the Republican track record on science, abortion, and the environment, I might could agree. 09:16:26 But they're thoroughy fucking up those three. 09:17:28 * arke = "liberal bed wetter" 09:31:44 :) 09:38:26 I440r_ = conservative warmongerer 09:38:29 :) 09:38:36 :) 09:38:46 la dee doo 09:38:48 GUN totin conservative warmonger 09:39:09 12 gauge shotgun totin' conservative warmongerer 09:40:06 "if aah find the wun who slept w'ma dawta, ima kill you"! 09:44:41 Looking for extremely cheap high-quality software? 09:44:41 We might have just what you need. 09:44:53 ! 09:46:30 --- quit: I440r_ ("Leaving") 09:46:34 "Women should be pregnant and barefoot in the kitchen, as long as it's not my daughter you're talking about." 10:00:00 Lamer forth question: I want to create, at compile time, an array of pointers to strings. In C, we'd say "char *p [] = { "this", "that", "the", "other", "etc" };, and reference them by p[0], p[1], etc. How do I accomplish a similiar thing at compile time? 10:01:38 Hm... Using the exact notation p[0] ? 10:01:46 YOU CLEANSE YOUR MOUTH FOR YOU HAVE SPOKEN THE WORD THAT IS NEXT TO B IN THE ALPHABET!!! 10:01:48 You could of corse write a parsing word p[ 10:02:04 course* 10:02:26 jc: actually, once you have created the strings themselves (lets say you've named them string1-string3) 10:02:31 jc: you can do something like 10:02:35 No, I don't mind something like 'string-table cell * + @' to get it. 10:02:42 create string-array string1 , string2 , string3 , 10:03:05 then, you do what you just said to get it. 10:03:11 jc: I guess that depends on your Forth, but for prefix notation, like: 0 p[] 10:03:23 But I'd have to name them. That's not a problem, but is there a way to use anonymous naming, or just the address? 10:03:42 Food, brb 10:03:43 you don't have to name them, no.. 10:04:01 My problem is that while I "know" Forth (for small values of "know"), I don't think Forth-like as a matter of course. I've been a Forth proponent for 20 years, but never done much in it. 10:04:25 Mostly because no one would pay me to :) 10:04:41 jc: whatever your forth's string-creation word is you can use 10:05:07 jc: s" this" s" that" s" the-other-thing" create table , , , 10:05:15 jc: ...which would be in reverse order 10:05:17 jc: ;) 10:05:49 The only flaw with that as I add strings, I have to make sure to update the , count. It would be *nice* (but not essential) if that part could be automatic. 10:06:02 jc: well, actualy, thats caddr-u, so follow each s" by a drop ;) (unless you want to keep that too ... aaackkc 10:06:08 jc: heh, what are you coding? :) 10:07:02 Nothing yet, that needs that. But I have an LCD display, and I'm creating some demos for PicForth. I was think it might be nice to use the A/D to read the pot, and display something like "10% - can't hear it" "20% - with good ears" "100% - our amps goto 11!" 10:07:14 And do that using a string table indexed by the percentage % 10. 10:08:23 well, just name them. 10:08:24 My basic problem is that I still think in C. Creating words that have differing compile time/run time behaviors isn't a natural thing for me. 10:08:25 ;) 10:09:44 And strings have never been Forths strong point. 10:10:17 they still elude me ;) 10:10:26 then again 10:10:28 i havent tried 10:10:32 so phooey 10:11:06 Is there a standard word to create a named string? 10:15:18 --- join: Herkamire (~jason@h000094d30ba2.ne.client2.attbi.com) joined #forth 10:31:59 jc: Sure, but there are different standards. :) 10:33:27 jc: In IsForth, it is: create mystring ," Foo" 10:34:24 jc: But as for your problem, I'm not sure what I would do... Is stack depth an issue? 10:35:11 jc: You could do something like having a counter of how many strings there are, and also keeping the addresses on the stack, to let one terminating word write all that into a table. 10:37:10 I was considering something along that last idea. PicForth only has c" (which stores a string into code space). I guess I'll have to write ,c" 10:37:49 Stack depth is a major issue at run-time. Compile time is not, since it's a meta-compilation. 10:38:53 Ah, OK. The stack is only needed compile time. 10:39:32 Are you coding for the Microchip PIC? 10:40:25 yes 10:40:59 --- join: SolarFire| (SolarFire@pD9545E49.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 10:41:05 Nice. 10:41:15 I was actually thinking about writing a Forth for the PIC. 10:41:48 http://www.rfc1149.net/devel/picforth 10:41:56 And then make a little beacon or something, just to be able to say I have a Forth system running out in the woods. :D 10:42:20 Do you have any idea how well it optimizes? 10:42:55 And, uhm, where will this array be stored? In the program memory? 10:42:56 Fairly well, considering it's a PIC. It compiled to machine code, with no interpeter. 10:43:01 Yes. 10:43:50 Hehe... that's pretty evil. 10:43:58 It tries to minimize use of the bank select register, does tail optimization, a few other things. I wish there was a Forth that was anywhere close to this for the MSP430 and the AVR. The ones I have seen are shit. 10:44:11 How are strings stored there? As sequences of RETW instructions? 10:44:14 Well, the free ones. I'm sure FI's is decent. 10:44:25 Hmm... 10:44:33 Well, I have some AVRs, too. 10:44:36 No, it packs two 7 bit chars into a word. There's a word that indexes through them. 10:44:40 And they seem to be Forth-friendlier. 10:44:53 Yes, they would be. ANYTHING is friendlier than a PIC. 10:44:59 Including most tube-based computers. 10:45:01 How do you read an entire word? 10:45:04 Hehehe 10:45:35 I was thinking about writing a Forth compiler for the AVR. When do you need it? ;) 10:45:43 The PIC has some code lookup instructions, where you load a pointer, and do a fetch. It returns a 7 bit result in an 8 bit register. 10:46:52 NEED it? Whenever. WANT it? Yesterday. 10:47:01 Hehe. 10:47:01 Well, I need something to do, so I might give it a shot. 10:47:09 --- join: tathi (~josh@pcp02123722pcs.milfrd01.pa.comcast.net) joined #forth 10:47:16 Hi tathi 10:55:20 Hi Robert 10:58:05 --- quit: SolarFire (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11:18:30 --- join: I4404__ (~mark4@168-215-246-243.gen.twtelecom.net) joined #forth 11:33:25 --- nick: topher|zZz -> topher 11:34:33 Gaaaah. Damn configure. 11:34:49 The person who came up with autoconf should be shot. 11:36:04 Ah well...think gforth will build with foreign function call support now. 11:36:52 autoconf = crap. 11:36:54 ;) 11:37:42 yup. 11:37:59 I'm trying to build gforth with ffcall support so I can try kc5's kestrel emulator. 11:38:33 First I didn't know I needed the ffcall library. 11:38:52 And then it was having some stupid issue with double-cell numbers. 11:39:20 Turns out that 'long long' didn't work with gcc-2.95.2 on PPC, so the author hard-coded double numbers to not work in the configure script. 11:39:28 Took me forever to find that. 11:39:29 Gah. 11:52:13 --- join: hp48nik (xru52729fj@Orleans-ppp42580.sympatico.ca) joined #forth 12:06:31 --- part: hp48nik left #forth 12:08:38 --- join: thin (thin@bespin.org) joined #forth 12:17:22 --- quit: thin ("leaving") 12:27:13 autconf is a mildly good idea gone horribly horribly wrong. 12:27:29 so its a little like bush 12:27:38 (hahahah...) 12:27:39 'zactly. 12:27:51 'cept autoconf doesn't have nukes. 12:27:52 Yet. 12:29:24 cant autoconf nuke your mbr? 12:29:59 hah soccer is fun 12:30:03 :) 12:30:13 we, holland, can go thru in the european cup 12:30:35 but that means "we" have to win the current match against (letland, i dont know the english name) 12:30:52 and germany has to loose or play draw against tjech republic 12:30:55 must 12:31:12 if they win "we" cant even go on 12:31:51 so right now both the goal totals of this match (NL vs letland) and the other match (GER vs tjech) are on screen :p 12:31:55 thats probably a first 12:32:32 i dont care much about soccer, but i love how ppl can get so excited over it :p 12:32:57 I ordered new plates for the cars today. AYBABTU (durango). ANV1L (the dogs car, a 1994 Buick Roadmaster Estate Wagon) 12:33:37 qFox: Latvia. 12:34:37 righ 12:34:38 t 12:34:52 jc> haha 12:35:11 And czech 12:35:23 arent those rear plates supposed to be unique? 12:35:33 Robert> right, again :p 12:35:40 qFox: >:) 12:35:45 unique, how? No one else in GA has those two. 12:35:56 GA =? 12:36:04 Georgia, USA 12:36:15 Oooh, Beatles-state. 12:36:23 huh? 12:36:42 Well, you're kind of famous for having burnt Beatles records. 12:36:44 well, there are quite some ppl in georgia, arent there... all your base is quite old, i'm surprised somebody else hasnt registered those plates yet... 12:36:50 John Lennon was, as we all know, blasphemous. 12:37:01 Actually, he was an idiot. 12:37:08 haha 12:37:11 A rich idiot, but an idiot. 12:37:22 And some people (especially in Georgia) seem to overreact a little. 12:37:27 GA just recently got 7 letter plates, so I guess no one has gotten around to it. 12:37:36 ohhh 12:37:38 ok 12:37:42 There are few musical groups I truly hate. The Beatles are one of them. 12:37:46 Here it's 3 letters + 3 digits. 12:37:55 Hehe. Any particular reason? 12:37:56 here you cant have custom plates 12:38:07 Our "normal" plates are. But we can order vanity plates at extra cost. 12:38:11 and they are diverse, xx-xx-xx, with paired numbers OR paired letters 12:38:16 If you're a ham, ham tags are free. 12:38:28 we cant customize them at all :) 12:38:42 except for possibly 13-37-.. 12:38:51 or something, but our plates are car-specific 12:38:53 We used to be 3 numbers + 3 letters, then a few years ago it became 3 letters + 3 numbers because they exhausted the number space. Now they're going to 3 + 4 and 4 + 3. 12:38:56 jc: You have a ham license? 12:39:02 Yes. K4JCW 12:39:12 Ah, neat call. 12:39:12 so you need to change car, in order to change your plates :p 12:39:17 I'm SM0YSR. 12:39:19 what does ham mean? 12:39:26 Amateur Radio Operator 12:39:29 ohh 12:39:36 and they are free? 12:39:37 really? 12:39:46 Robert, Sweden? 12:39:53 jc: Right :) 12:40:07 jc: Are you active? And what bands? 12:41:05 Yea, but mostly when mobile. 440 (70 cm). Now that I've got a house again, as soon as I get the other stuff taken care of, I'll put up some HF. I dunno about a beam, but at least a dipole on 20m, probably 15m, and maybe 40m. 12:41:19 Neat. 12:41:30 The lot is long enough to run a full 1/2 wave 160m :) 12:41:37 I'm mostly doing QRP on the shortwave bands, with my wire out the window. 12:41:39 Wow. 12:41:50 Played with PSK31? 12:41:56 I was doing that for a while. 12:42:02 But that works pretty well, yesterday I worked W3DF :) 12:42:11 No, CW only so far. 12:42:20 I'd like to play with QRP, but my code sucks. 12:42:49 Don't let that stop you from using it. ;) 12:42:49 Hmmm... Maybe a Forth based keyer? :) 12:42:55 Unless it REALLY sucks. 12:43:03 Like a certain finnish guy I tried to QSO. 12:43:08 How about "Don't remember all the letters?" 12:43:21 3 WPM, repeated the short message like 5 times, and he still doesn't get it. 12:43:34 Hm. OK, I admit it, that's pretty bad. 12:43:52 But on the other hand, I _heard_ how he was looking up some letters. ;) 12:44:08 Like a 10 second delay before "W". 12:44:29 Years ago, I built something called a Morse Tutor, with a 8051, a SP0256 allophone synth, etc. It would say the letter, then play the morse code. Once I built it and wrote all the code, I never used it. 12:44:56 Hehe. 12:45:02 That's how programmers work. ;) 12:45:35 At least it's better than mathematicians - showing a concept is doable, and leaving it there. ;) 12:46:37 Morse Drone, that's what I called it. Not Morse Tutor. 12:48:14 hm 12:49:01 i might just have found a good game, one i like anyways. seems to be a bit limited in control (cnat redefine keys?) but generally MASHED is looking good :) 12:49:03 racing game 12:49:19 i think its a console port 13:14:16 --- quit: qFox (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13:14:29 --- join: qFox (C00K13S@cp12172-a.roose1.nb.home.nl) joined #forth 13:17:42 --- join: madwork (~madgarden@derby.metrics.com) joined #forth 13:21:24 ok, it has a drawback, it generates blue screen... 13:21:31 grr 13:38:48 LLLLLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLl 13:39:00 BNSDOIDDDDrrfnasj3jk~!!! jh ldkfgh le in a.nmv wpqok lkn lol 13:39:43 oe k ayhvbe you couljd rty jujst runingbhn ut in pure FDSIs mocem, winsc eyoure running ah bvyutriud \3~wibndows 13:39:53 i8ts a dios game, riught>? 13:42:20 * Herkamire bows deeply 13:42:39 arke: teach me to type oh incoherent one 13:42:40