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09:55:01 <kc5tja> http://www.art.net/Studios/Hackers/Tower/hpvs.html  --  OK, I want one of these.  :D
09:58:00 <qFox> The Shakespear Lawn Mower (55k jpeg) no gif due to patent problems 
09:58:01 <qFox> lol?
09:58:34 <kc5tja> Read it an learn.  Unisys is damn evil.
09:59:06 <kc5tja> Ever wonder why Linux has virtually no capacity to produce GIFs anymore?  And only limited capacity to show them?
09:59:19 <qFox> god that licencing stuff is so lame.
09:59:20 <kc5tja> It's because free software demands that we use legally unencumbered software.
09:59:51 <qFox> why would you want gifs anyways :\
10:02:52 <blockhead> the gif patent expired.  no reason not to use them now
10:03:20 <qFox> depricated?
10:03:50 <blockhead> expired, as in more than 17 years have passed,   as in, no more licensing problems.
10:04:08 <blockhead> it's free now
10:05:18 <blockhead> oh btw, happy father say all  :D
10:05:23 <blockhead> day not say
10:05:34 * blockhead is such a blockhead with the typos  :/
10:05:50 <qFox> its my bday tomorrow :p
10:06:13 <blockhead> happy bday one day early  :D
10:06:18 <kc5tja> Hehe
10:06:20 <qFox> and once every 5 years, fday falls together with mine
10:06:28 <qFox> pretty useless now ;)
10:06:31 <blockhead> 'cause by tomororw I'll forget
10:06:35 <qFox> hehe
10:07:01 <blockhead> qFox: at least your birthday isn't on or near xmas: that tends to suxor :D
10:07:53 <kc5tja> Mine is Feb 24.
10:08:00 <qFox> heh a friend of mine ... hm do have a second xmas day?
10:08:46 <qFox> her birthday is teh 26th (which we call second xmas day here...)
10:09:17 <qFox> but mine rox
10:09:18 <blockhead> when she was a kid it musta sucked.  you get less loot when your birthday is too close to xmas  :D
10:09:20 <qFox> first day of summer
10:09:22 <qFox> :p
10:09:37 <qFox> plus i get to pick my zodiac sign ;)
10:09:47 <qFox> cancer or uh
10:09:50 <blockhead> you get to pick?
10:09:57 <qFox> hmmmm i forgot :( its twins, but a different name
10:10:11 <qFox> gemini
10:10:21 <blockhead> oh, you're in-between, I guess they'de call that "on the cusp"?\
10:10:28 <qFox> on the cusp?
10:10:34 <qFox> never heard of it
10:10:43 <qFox> but i just pick whichever i like best :
10:10:44 <qFox> :p
10:10:49 <blockhead> zodiac/horoscope jargon
10:12:46 <kc5tja> I'm pisces.
10:12:49 <kc5tja> (obviously)
10:12:51 <kc5tja> But I digress.
10:13:10 <kc5tja> Back to daydreaming about HPVs, and the impending day when they'll all but become necessary.
10:13:57 <Herkamire> at the community garden where I have a plot they have one of those old ground driven push-mowers
10:14:01 <Herkamire> it's really nice
10:14:12 <Herkamire> I swear it's easier to push than the gas ones
10:14:35 <kc5tja> Herkamire: Until the blades get dull.  :)
10:14:36 <Herkamire> and sooo much nicer (quiet, no pebbles zzinging into your shins)
10:14:42 <kc5tja> I've used those kinds of mowers, and I like them.
10:14:57 <kc5tja> But the upper body just doesn't have the power to mow down big weeds and other really fleshy plants.
10:15:13 <kc5tja> Do they still MAKE the push-kind mower?
10:15:21 <Herkamire> probably somewhere
10:15:27 <Herkamire> this one looks old though
10:15:54 <Herkamire> yeah, the only problem I know of with the old kind is that they can't handle tall stuff
10:16:06 <kc5tja> I've been thinking of an HPV mower, built around a modified recumbent bike.
10:16:32 <kc5tja> The legs have MUCH more power than the upper body does.
10:16:39 <Herkamire> (when I have a lawn) I plan to use that old push kind until I make a solar powerd mower bot
10:17:05 <blockhead> heheh: Roomba for lawns
10:17:35 <kc5tja> :)
10:17:36 <Herkamire> I do not at all like the idea of bots that bump into things
10:18:18 <Herkamire> I mean, cool for getting started with robotics
10:18:31 <Herkamire> but I wouldn't consider something practical, until it can get around without hitting things
10:18:36 <blockhead> oh, you mean hueristic boundry determination  :D
10:18:58 <kc5tja> Why the HELL would anyone want a robot for that kind of stuff anyway?  I personally wouldn't.
10:19:10 <Herkamire> I don't care how it works, I just don't want it to hit things. and ultimately, I want it to get out of your way
10:19:23 <kc5tja> Having dumb machines to do these things makes our lives more complicated as it is.  Now I have to argue with a "SMART" one?
10:19:24 <Herkamire> kc5tja: just for fun :)
10:19:59 <Herkamire> I'm asuming I'll spend way more time tinkering with robots than they will actually save me in doing stuff.
10:20:02 <kc5tja> http://www.ihpva.org/Movies/skycycle.htm  --  Hmm... HPV aircraft.
10:20:12 <kc5tja> Hehe :)
10:20:53 <kc5tja> I remember reading in some alternative power magazine that someone had made an attachment to an ordinary exercise bike that lets you do things like vacuum and such, by pedaling on the exercise bike.
10:21:11 <kc5tja> The only disadvantage is it takes two -- one to pedal, the other to actually vacuum.
10:21:22 <kc5tja> I can see an R/C controlled "bot" being useful if you don't have two.
10:21:40 <Herkamire> :)
10:22:04 <kc5tja> Well,that sucks -- I can't watch ANY of these videos.  :(
10:22:33 <Herkamire> I don't have support for quicktime
10:22:49 <kc5tja> mplayer has support, but on some videos, it can't decompress the frames.
10:23:25 <Herkamire> oh, I have mplayer
10:23:35 <Herkamire> I guess it supports the quicktime format, but not some of the codecs it uses
10:26:20 <kc5tja> That SkyCycle plane is pretty cool.
10:26:49 <Herkamire> I'm out for the afternoon. bbl
10:27:59 <kc5tja> Laters
10:32:11 <kc5tja> http://www.ihpva.org/Races/PortTownsend95/pt_movies.html  --  This has some good stuff in it -- MPGs too.
10:32:57 <kc5tja> I wish we had wacky races like this down here.  If we did, I'd then be wishing I had the facilities and time to come up with something really wonky like these guys.  :D
10:43:41 <arke> hi kc5tja 
10:47:57 <kc5tja> re arke
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10:56:46 <T0paz> hmmmm, CODE time
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11:03:47 * SolarFire greets
11:04:13 <SolarFire> Wichita
11:09:48 <mur> hmmmm
11:12:08 <SolarFire> mmm
11:13:19 <SolarFire> :-)
11:14:38 <SolarFire> mur: anything to be clarified?
11:15:17 <mur> read one research
11:15:27 <mur> what's new?
11:16:25 <SolarFire> mur: this day, of course ;-)
11:18:04 <mur> gettubg kater here
11:18:06 <mur> getting late
11:18:44 <SolarFire> kater?
11:18:51 <mur> getting late here
11:55:16 <kc5tja> Well, I'm going for some food.  I'll be back in a bit.
11:55:31 <blockhead> good fooding kc5tja  :D
11:55:45 <kc5tja> Yeah, I'm just going to pick up some lunchmeat.
11:55:47 * blockhead finds new ways to mangle the language
11:56:01 <blockhead> mmmmm  :D
11:56:02 <kc5tja> I already have cheese, tomatoes, onions, and green bell peppers here to cook with.  Oh, and Chipotle sauce.  :D
11:56:17 <arke> now you just need some ham
11:56:18 <arke> ;)
11:56:23 <blockhead> mmmmmmmmmmmmmm
11:56:24 <kc5tja> arke: Turkey is better.
11:56:29 <arke> or turkey
11:56:29 <kc5tja> That's what I had last night.
11:56:31 <arke> or chicked
11:56:33 <arke> ;)
11:56:34 <arke> er
11:56:37 <arke> chicken*
11:56:42 <blockhead> never haerd of chipotle sauce - must google ...
11:57:09 <kc5tja> Anyway, I'll be back soon.
11:59:35 <blockhead> oooh.  google says chipotle is a smoked dried jalapeno.  interesting!
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12:38:44 <kc5tja> Damn, I love bikes...
12:39:21 <Robert> :)
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13:46:58 <arke> Robert: awake? :)
13:47:01 <arke> kc5tja: lalalaaa hi
13:47:03 <arke> wossname: lalalaaa hi
13:47:06 <arke> tathi: lalalaaa hi
13:47:33 <kc5tja> re
13:47:41 <arke> I should code.
13:47:45 <arke> what to code?
13:47:46 <arke> oh
13:47:48 <arke> well
13:47:51 <arke> i should be working on 
13:47:52 <arke> f
13:47:54 <arke> F
13:47:56 <arke> ;)
13:47:59 <arke> RkG, rather
13:48:01 <arke> on F
13:48:04 <arke> :)
13:48:13 <kc5tja> Shush you -- I should be working on Kestrel right now.  But my brain -- nothing's coming out at the moment.
13:48:25 <kc5tja> I wanted to work on console output code, but . . . so far, only mush.
13:48:36 <arke> oh
13:48:37 <arke> like
13:48:42 <arke> in FTS1001 asse3mbly?
13:48:45 <arke> I could do that!
13:48:45 <kc5tja> Yes
13:48:46 <arke> :)
13:48:57 <arke> like, you need me to code EMIT et al?
13:49:00 <arke> or rather
13:49:02 <arke> you need to code
13:49:04 <arke> and I could do it
13:49:06 <arke> if you want me to
13:49:06 <arke> ack
13:49:09 <arke> :)
13:49:11 <kc5tja> Whatever.
13:49:13 <kc5tja> The code is GPLed.
13:49:20 <arke> (don't have much time though, but enough to get it down if I try)
13:49:22 <arke> mmkay.
13:49:25 <kc5tja> So anyone who wants to submit patches are more than welcome to.  HINT HINT HINT.
13:49:34 <arke> er
13:49:50 <arke> do you have only a frambuffer in the fts right now?
13:50:00 <arke> because if so, that means i have to (eww) write font code
13:50:10 <kc5tja> Only a frame buffer.
13:50:26 <arke> eww
13:50:28 <arke> you need font code
13:50:28 <arke> eww
13:50:42 <kc5tja> It is not that hard to write.
13:50:56 <arke> ;)
13:51:03 <kc5tja> I could do it.
13:51:11 <kc5tja> It's just that my brain ain't generating code yet.
13:52:19 <kc5tja> Actually, before I even do that, I need to get something else done.
13:52:28 <kc5tja> (and yes, I do already have an 8x8 font I can use)
13:52:39 <arke> oh phew
13:52:43 <arke> you already have a font :)
13:52:56 <kc5tja> I wrote an 8x8 font editor for the Commodore 64 version of FTS/Forth I was writing.
13:53:18 <kc5tja> And it looks pretty darn good too, if I do say so myself.
13:54:09 <Robert> arke: Hi
13:54:13 <arke> hi Robert 
13:54:48 <kc5tja> I need to get "ROM" file generation in the software before I can include font stuff.
13:54:53 <arke> Robert: I'm in linux, and I'm compiling F, running it in bochs, and seeing if I can start development. And maybe figure out those bugs that appear in VMWare
13:55:05 <kc5tja> I'm sick of having to type reset ' foo >body @ p ! run to execute a program.  :)
13:55:19 <Robert> Heh
13:55:20 <arke> ;)
13:55:34 <Robert> arke: Do you know how to execute programs in F?
13:57:13 <arke> uum
13:57:18 <arke> load program_name ?
13:57:18 <arke> :)
13:58:05 <arke> ok, got F in bochs
13:58:17 <arke> ...and i fixed the keymap error
13:58:40 <arke> eh!? it isn't loading core
13:58:50 <qFox> kc5tja> there should be a word type that executes the word as if it were typed. a macro so to speak.
13:58:55 <qFox> sort of like immidiate
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13:58:58 <qFox> but then for this
13:59:05 <kc5tja> qFox: Huh?
13:59:13 <qFox> i guess it's just like a macro 
13:59:25 <qFox> [22:55:02] <kc5tja> I'm sick of having to type reset ' foo >body @ p ! run to execute a program.  :)
13:59:40 <qFox> if you were to create a word for that, i guess it wouldnt function like you want it to, right?
13:59:54 <qFox> thats what i'm talking about...
14:00:04 <kc5tja> Well, foo is a normal Forth word created by CREATE/DOES>.
14:00:05 <qFox> or is there already such a macro way in forth ? :p
14:00:16 <kc5tja> DOES> is to just compile an FTS1001 call instruction to the right target address.
14:00:37 <qFox> nonono
14:00:41 <qFox> it doesnt matter
14:00:59 <kc5tja> I'm explaining the reason why I have to do ' foo >body @ to get the effective address.
14:01:07 <kc5tja> p ! sets the CPU's program counter, and run starts the emulator.
14:01:15 <qFox> oh sorry i wasnt following the discussion :\
14:01:54 <kc5tja> What I'm going to do instead is make something that saves the assembled binary image as a file (makerom), and another to load an image (loadrom).  Then I can just "reset run" to launch the image.
14:03:25 <kc5tja> DAMN, this machine Forth assembler needs some cleaning up, but it's still damn *TINY*.
14:03:31 * qFox still believes a macro type of word would be handy, for test purposes if anything else
14:03:36 <kc5tja> I *LOVE* it.  183 lines (well, a bit more now that I'm putting in ROM file generation support)
14:04:04 <kc5tja> qFox: Well, how do you envision this "macro" word to be used?
14:04:05 <Robert> arke: "run foo" if you got the block dict loaded, otherwise "block run foo"
14:05:07 <qFox> kc5tja> like a regular macro
14:05:23 <qFox> in your case, it would execute that set of words as if it were runtime (so not compiled)
14:05:32 <kc5tja> qFox: A macro has no meaning in Forth.  Please give me how you would use it, like if you were to type it into the keyboard yourself.
14:05:43 <qFox> exactly
14:05:54 <kc5tja> qFox: The words *ARE* executed at run-time, and are NOT compiled.
14:06:07 <qFox> nonono you're missing the point :p
14:06:20 <qFox> that way you dont actually have to type all those words, just the macro, d'oh :)
14:06:32 <kc5tja> OK, so I can just type:
14:06:43 <kc5tja> : run-foo ['] foo >body @ p ! ;
14:06:51 <kc5tja> But that really doesn't help me.
14:06:57 <qFox> saves you typing :p
14:07:01 <kc5tja> Not really.
14:07:09 <kc5tja> Well, not in the long term.
14:07:16 <qFox> or it allows a word to execute the last defined case of a certain word
14:07:35 <qFox> if for whatever reason you'd want that...
14:07:37 <kc5tja> Well, the point of "run" is to engage the emulator as if you had just turned on the Kestrel.
14:07:48 <kc5tja> IDEALLY, it should run given the conditions set by "reset".
14:08:01 <qFox> oh i wasnt talking about the kestrel specificly, just forth in general
14:08:02 <kc5tja> That's why I'm making ROM file support now, so I can get this to work.
14:08:24 <kc5tja> Everything I've been talking about is specifically with respect to the emulator.
14:09:06 <qFox> yeah but i was talking about an idea that formed on what you said :p
14:13:02 <madgarden> What's wrong with something like this:
14:13:02 <madgarden> : go reset ' >body @ p ! run ;
14:13:02 <madgarden> go foo
14:13:55 <kc5tja> madgarden: It depends on the ROM image having been assembled on your machine.
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14:36:31 <kc5tja> Hmm...I need to add support for deferred words in the assembler.
14:36:41 <kc5tja> Right now I'm doing this (which works amazingly well, but it's very limited):
14:36:44 <kc5tja> 0 #, if,
14:36:47 <kc5tja> ( other definitions )
14:36:48 <kc5tja> then,
14:36:53 <kc5tja> : entry-point ...etc... ;'
14:47:08 <kc5tja> OK, I got ROM file support installed.
14:47:15 <kc5tja> So today wasn't a total waste.
14:55:56 <qFox> is there an exisiting word that takes a string and parses it like the normal parser?
14:56:06 <kc5tja> EVALUATE
14:56:25 <qFox> that should process it exactly like when you're typing?
14:56:30 <kc5tja> Yes
14:56:30 <madgarden> PARSE-IT-LIKE-THE-NORMAL-PARSER
14:56:32 <madgarden> ...oh
14:56:38 <qFox> oki
14:56:48 <kc5tja> S" 42 EMIT" EVALUATE
14:56:56 <qFox> i guess that's good enough for that macro thing i mentioned :)
14:57:04 <kc5tja> Ummm...WHY?
14:57:07 <kc5tja> You don't NEED it.
14:57:14 <kc5tja> A simple colon definition is plenty.
14:57:20 <qFox> curiosity for all i care
14:57:20 <kc5tja> But it does not address my needs.
14:57:46 <qFox> no kc5tja, a colon defined word will always use the last defined instance of that word AT COMPILE time...
14:58:07 <qFox> plus some words require input from the input buffer
14:58:47 <qFox> and you can all it curiocity for all i care :)
15:03:47 * kc5tja should try to learn After The Ordeal on the guitar.
15:04:20 * Robert listens to someone else playing instead of trying to make those noises himself.
15:04:38 <madgarden> kc5tja should try to learn After the Ordeal on the *citar*. 
15:04:49 <kc5tja> madgarden: You mean sitar?
15:04:51 <kc5tja> :)
15:05:43 <kc5tja> Besides, it's not a sitar piece.  It's made for a 12-string nylon-strung guitar.
15:06:25 <madgarden> Oops, spelling, my bad. But yes... that would be some spicy twang on a sitar. ;P Oh well.
15:06:44 <kc5tja> It would make a great harp piece though.
15:06:54 <kc5tja> As would The Cinema Show.
15:13:27 <qFox> happy bday to me :p
15:13:40 <kc5tja> woohoo! :)
15:13:53 <madgarden> Happy Father's Day to me! :P
15:14:13 <qFox> thats history ;)
15:14:27 <kc5tja> Happy Father's Day Leech day to me!!  :)
15:14:44 <kc5tja> Not a father, but I reap the benefits nonetheless!
15:14:50 <kc5tja> brb -- roommate is home.
15:15:22 <blockhead> fathers day leech?
15:18:41 <blockhead> maybe I don't wanna know
15:23:09 * blockhead scrolls, re-reads, figures it out.  never mind! 
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15:55:19 <jc> http://www.cstone.net/~bachs/ddj/fsf803.htm   Articles about Forth that have appeared in Dr. Dobbs Journal (I quit suscribiing years ago)
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17:21:45 <kc5tja> jc: Now if only we can get a copy of the articles....
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17:45:40 <kc5tja> brb
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18:01:53 <blockhead> 'nn all
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18:04:58 <jc> I had a guy send me about 60 lbs of Forth journals.  I can't remember the titles right at the moment.  Read a few, interesting stuff.
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20:56:45 --- topic: 'FORTH programming language. Info: http://forth.bespin.org/resources/introduction ANSI: http://www.taygeta.com/forth/dpans.htm FIG83: http://forth.sourceforge.net/standard/fst83/ || :NOTICE: Kestrel project update!  See http://www.falvotech.com/weblog for more details. || http://www.memnonio.com/forth.html'
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20:58:06 <slava> doublec: still fixing it
21:00:58 <kc5tja> Hmmm...ion2 is a bit of a bear to configure.
21:01:38 <LOOP-HOG> ion2 ?
21:01:47 <LOOP-HOG> is that an ion engine, will it go warp?
21:05:16 <kc5tja> The Ion window manager.
21:06:22 <LOOP-HOG> i am -a unix dude, what is good about it 
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21:08:04 <LOOP-HOG> too lay-Z to look it up :^)
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21:09:25 <kc5tja> A tiled, tabbed window manager that is entirely keyboard navicable.
21:09:39 <LOOP-HOG> that's something :^)
21:12:23 <kc5tja> It was the first window manager of its kind (others, like ratpoison, all came afterwards).
21:12:43 <kc5tja> It's actually the first window manager I've seen that actually does manage windows too.
21:12:56 <kc5tja> Others require you to manually place/resize windows.
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21:15:30 <LOOP-HOG> tell us what u think?
21:15:58 <kc5tja> Well, I loved Ion 1.
21:16:09 <kc5tja> But ion2 is misbehaving on my box, as far as I can tell.
21:16:11 <kc5tja> Oh, it's USABLE.
21:16:21 <kc5tja> But it's just not behaving anything like what the documentation says it should.
21:16:53 <kc5tja> For example, none of my applications that I'm launching are launching in panes or tiles.
21:17:03 <kc5tja> They're launching on flat, whole-screen X11 windows.
21:17:28 <kc5tja> Which is more how ratpoison works, rather than ion.
21:17:38 <kc5tja> I'm not sure if it's a configuration issue or not.
21:19:18 <LOOP-HOG> hmm
21:19:45 <LOOP-HOG> wasn't there something like a Zombian RatDOS for Atari 8bitters?
21:20:05 <LOOP-HOG> RatSoft
21:20:37 <LOOP-HOG> do you pronounce #Forth  Number-Forth or what?
21:20:44 <LOOP-HOG> Numb-Forth?
21:21:01 <kc5tja> Pound Forth
21:21:14 <LOOP-HOG> k
21:23:09 <LOOP-HOG> if you ever see a string with a stick figure wearing a baseball cap in the first char and the rest is Forth how do you pronounce that
21:23:45 <LOOP-HOG> Dude-Forth?
21:24:12 <LOOP-HOG> Oh, and how many Forths have ever been created up until now know that it only requires about 1.5 man/month to get one up and running?
21:24:16 <LOOP-HOG> thousands?
21:24:31 <LOOP-HOG> ok, enough silly questions for tonight, maybe now i go do something else.
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21:27:17 <kc5tja> OH!  I have to manually attach the applications to panes now.  :/
21:27:24 <kc5tja> Well that is just down right silly.
21:27:42 <kc5tja> Since this isn't documented, I consider this quite distinctly to be a bug.
21:51:03 <jc> I dunno.  Could be Sharp-Forth, seeing as C# is said C-Sharp.
21:53:19 <jc> Working with PIC processors, you have three choices of code output:  Suck, suck, and really suck.
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21:58:15 <kc5tja> Hahah :)
21:58:21 <kc5tja> Yeah, PICs are pretty damn awful.
22:04:58 <jc> I've been screwing around with PicForth.  I dunno why, 'cause I really hate PICs.  Perhaps because it's the first apparently half decent implentation of a Forth I've seen for the PIC/AVR/MSP430.
22:06:20 <jc> I've never really managed to wrap my head around meta compilation.  I understand the big picture, but actually making it work is another matter.  And this implementation does some nice optimizations, like tail recursion.
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22:07:53 <jc> At any rate, I've got "Hello, world" to the LCD working.  The largest bitch being getting the stupid 4 bit interface to the LCD initialized.  I've used these LCDs for ages, but never in a 4 bit mode, and it was being... resistant... to working.  So now, it's time for bed.
22:08:06 <warpzero> hey guys
22:10:15 <kc5tja> Howdy
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22:12:28 <warpzero> hey
22:12:33 <warpzero> i got kicked out of my house
22:13:16 <jc> Yet, you still have 'net access.
22:13:18 <kc5tja> How'd that happen?
22:13:58 <kc5tja> Crap!  Today's Sunday!  I have to work tomorrow.  :(  I so wasted this weekend.  
22:14:11 <warpzero> no i am at a friends
22:14:18 <warpzero> but uh
22:14:21 <warpzero> what happened was
22:14:26 <warpzero> my mom was away
22:14:32 <warpzero> and i had a HUGE lan party
22:14:40 <warpzero> and she didn't apreciate it none when i got back
22:14:45 <warpzero> she got back
22:14:46 <jc> Gee, imagine that.
22:15:00 <jc> "Son, I trust you to not do anything stupid."
22:15:04 <jc> :: does something stupid ::
22:15:16 <warpzero> nothing got hurt
22:15:22 <warpzero> i bought all of my own pop
22:15:26 <warpzero> the house was clean
22:15:27 <warpzero> etc.
22:16:50 <kc5tja> Dontcha just love irrational parents sometimes?
22:17:08 <kc5tja> Well, I have to get to bed if I'm to make it to work with any semblence of punctuality tomorrow.
22:19:03 <jc> Parents don't understand the idea of "didn't get hurt."  It's the "Might have gotten hurt".  Suppose, just suppose, the cops had to show up, because of noise complaints, fights, whatever.  I've been at parties where that kind of crap has happened.  Not as a kid, but in my lower 20's.  Parents don't dig being called by the cops, or coming home to find ambulances, etc.
22:19:34 <jc> You could have rapelled down the chimney and not gotten hurt, but that doesn't mean you should have done, just because you didn't.
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23:42:44 <arke> HIYA
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