00:00:00 --- log: started forth/04.06.19 00:08:44 --- join: topher (~chris@lsanca1-ar42-4-61-175-184.lsanca1.dsl-verizon.net) joined #forth 00:47:35 --- quit: Herkamire ("bed") 01:34:39 --- join: solar_angel (~jenni@Toronto-HSE-ppp3685160.sympatico.ca) joined #forth 01:35:23 hey 02:06:33 --- join: htp1234 (~tehsux@S0106000d6151238b.gv.shawcable.net) joined #forth 02:06:33 --- quit: htp123 (Client Quit) 02:06:48 --- nick: htp1234 -> htp123 02:08:18 --- quit: solar_angel ("*nada*") 02:12:40 what does '{{' mean in forth? 02:17:59 Depends on the Forth. 02:18:11 As far as I know, there is no "standard" word with that name. 02:18:13 what does it usually mean? 02:18:23 Never seen it before. 02:18:51 There aren't that many words that "usually" mean anything special. 02:22:11 k 02:31:15 --- quit: htp123 ("*") 02:41:31 --- join: qFox (C00K13S@cp12172-a.roose1.nb.home.nl) joined #forth 02:41:58 Hi qFox 02:42:02 --- nick: topher -> topher|zZz 02:42:04 hello 02:51:21 --- quit: topher|zZz (Client Quit) 03:09:10 --- quit: imaginator (".") 04:16:30 --- join: Topaz (~top@spc1-horn1-6-0-cust217.cosh.broadband.ntl.com) joined #forth 04:32:16 --- join: crc (crc@0-1pool176-13.nas6.philadelphia1.pa.us.da.qwest.net) joined #forth 05:27:25 --- quit: crc ("Working...") 05:36:46 --- join: hefner_ (~hefner@pool-141-157-20-82.balt.east.verizon.net) joined #forth 06:04:51 --- quit: hefner (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06:14:48 --- nick: hefner_ -> hefner 06:36:48 hmm, this is getting a little weird 06:36:53 i have 3 different types of SWAP 06:38:24 eh!? 06:38:26 lol 06:38:40 because of my rather strange combination of both 8-byte and 16-byte stack elements 06:38:51 (8 bit chip with 16-bit addresses) 06:40:21 so i've got (a b -- b a), (ah al b -- b ah al), (ah al bh bl -- bh bl ah al) 06:41:07 ;) 06:54:39 Hi 06:55:12 Topaz: I actually combine 8-bit and 32-bit arithmetics, works pretty fine. 06:55:29 15:24:52 IdleBot@#IdleRPG@freenode: jeff, lgp-michael, and harv have team battled qFox, Shanys, and doc and won! 0 days, 01:46:06 is removed from their clocks. 06:55:35 omg i r teh suck team! 06:55:35 Topaz: I just have special words (like 4+4, 4swap, etc.) for the 32-bit words 06:59:08 Robert: progess? :) 07:00:56 * Robert hides. 07:00:58 Not really. 07:01:02 What have YOU done? 07:07:30 working and messing around with colorforth to get ideas 07:07:36 so poo 07:07:38 ;) 07:07:56 Bah. 07:08:03 Get good ideas, then code. CODE. 07:09:01 I shall. 07:09:03 but 07:09:09 But? 07:09:12 I can't start RkG until I have a kernel, right? ;) 07:09:59 RkG? 07:10:38 the graphics subsytem 07:10:43 Oh. 07:10:45 and/or interface 07:10:46 :) 07:10:52 hrm. 07:11:06 I guess I could theoretically use F 07:11:20 how easy is it for me to reroute emit ? 07:11:32 Hm... 07:11:48 Depends. If I were you I'd just rewrite emit to jump to a given pointer. 07:12:07 So when you start RkG, you hook that pointer. 07:12:17 And restore it if you leave RkG. 07:12:25 RkG is supposed to start on bootup, right after the forth system :) 07:12:33 hrm. 07:12:38 thats an interesting concept 07:12:43 make RkG optional? 07:12:53 don't know if I like that. 07:12:57 A non-optional part in a Forth system?! Heresy 07:13:14 ;) 07:13:28 my plan was to have Rkg be the shell. 07:13:41 a new rkg window would be a new instance of the forth interpreter 07:13:49 Hehe. 07:14:01 and then use Fx to switch 07:14:03 Well, get F's multitasking to do that and I'll bow whenever I see you. 07:14:14 eh? 07:14:19 I though F's MT already worked 07:14:25 Sure. 07:14:44 But did you notice the lack of programs/functions actually using it? 07:14:52 It's almost entirely untested. 07:15:10 Shame on you. :) 07:15:29 Nah. I didn't really need it. 07:15:38 its nice that you have it though. 07:15:42 something to build upon. 07:15:55 now I need to figure out the edotir 07:15:58 and since you're hee 07:16:10 start telling me how to use the editor and have it keep my work saved. 07:16:13 and how to exit it etc. 07:16:36 Uhm. 07:16:39 and if you could compile me an image with US keymap reallly quick, as I do not have the facilities here and I don't feel like spending the time to get the facilities 07:16:46 Well, "edit" enters edit mode. 07:16:47 ;) 07:16:49 Escape exits it. 07:16:58 ;) 07:16:59 You can only give it commands out of edit mode. 07:17:24 oh 07:17:27 its a VI like? 07:17:37 Not really. 07:17:42 and could you compile me an image while I eat breakfast really quick (3 minutes) 07:17:48 "save filename" and "load filename" can be used. 07:17:54 Isn't there one already? 07:18:08 There is 07:18:15 robert.zizi.org/pub/projects/f/image 07:18:26 not US keymap 07:18:37 Meh 07:18:44 It can be changed 07:18:49 at runtime? 07:19:28 Yes 07:20:10 keymap-us -> keymap 07:20:12 Try that 07:20:27 * Robert had to scan through several files of assembly code to find that... 07:20:33 Well-documented, Robert. 07:21:19 ;) 07:21:32 Anyway, I'm going to make the new version incompatible with F. 07:21:36 F kernel started. Compiling... 07:21:37 ;) 07:21:41 Since I'm using flags for conditionals. 07:21:42 sure. 07:21:45 oh 07:21:46 you are? 07:21:47 Does it work? 07:21:48 pj 07:21:50 --- quit: madgarden (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 07:21:51 yeah 07:21:52 woprks 07:21:52 pj? 07:21:59 ok? 07:22:02 make sure that you do thinjks like if> etc. 07:22:09 yeah, that was supposed to be ok :) 07:22:22 if> ? 07:23:34 yeah 07:23:37 if greater 07:23:39 :) 07:23:46 whats the swedish key place for >? 07:24:08 Oh. 07:24:20 Shift + key-left-of-Z 07:24:32 eh!? 07:24:38 I have no key left of Z 07:24:38 lol 07:24:41 I do. 07:24:46 in the german key place, it would be T 07:24:49 ack 07:24:58 Well, I'm not German, THANKS GOD. 07:25:04 FUCK YOU TOO :) 07:25:11 ;-( 07:25:58 jk 07:26:15 Are you going to work today? 07:26:51 yes 07:26:55 starting in about 30 minutes 07:27:00 Hehe... fun. 07:27:00 and I NEED THAT KEY!!! 07:27:08 Heh. 07:27:23 Oops, I'll recompile it. 07:27:36 thank you amigo 07:27:40 I just wondered why you asked that question, hehee 07:27:42 * Robert <-- smart 07:27:56 teehee 07:28:58 OK 07:29:06 Same location, file name is image-us 07:30:46 yay 07:30:47 thanks 07:31:11 You don't have permission to access /pub/projects/f/image-us on this server. 07:31:35 Argh 07:31:43 Fixed. 07:32:48 :) 07:32:54 btw 07:32:59 did you know your backspace doesn't clear? 07:33:03 is that in the source? 07:33:20 have you talked to your lawyer about this and possible lawsuits resulting thereof? 07:34:27 Hm. 07:34:32 It doesn't? 07:34:42 nope. 07:34:44 Er, you mean that. 07:34:45 and also 07:34:49 your if consumes, right? 07:34:55 Bah, that's no big problem. 07:34:58 It does 07:35:03 when I type blaf 07:35:06 and then do backspace 07:35:17 it stil shows blaf but wth the cursor at a 07:35:28 Yeah, but the a isn't really there. 07:35:29 ack 07:35:30 So just ignore it. 07:35:43 When the screen is rewritten it will go away. 07:35:44 Robert: I pressed ESC, and now pressing ESC aain makes it display arrows 07:35:50 and arrow buttons are like space 07:35:52 Yes? 07:36:03 Don't press it more than once. 07:36:13 aah ok 07:36:14 :) 07:37:57 lets say I edit the sources 07:38:02 does it automatically save? 07:38:07 and if not, what do I have to do? 07:38:12 and can I put it in a separate file? 07:38:13 "save filename" 07:38:24 and can you please be faster in answering my questions, I'm not here all day!? 07:38:27 Hmm.. Actually, I'm not sure if that is the correct syntax. 07:38:28 :P 07:38:38 But try it anyway. 07:38:49 load rkg edit ...... save rkg <--? 07:38:53 will that work? 07:39:01 Should work. 07:39:08 load rkg Can not load file 07:39:18 how do I create a file? 07:39:22 how do I close a file? 07:39:39 how do I make files dance up and down in circular motion while singing the moo moo cow song? 07:40:25 About creating files... I must admit I have to look that up 07:40:40 Files are never really "open". 07:40:41 bw 07:40:44 Robert: for F2 07:40:47 So just typing "new" to clear the editor is OK 07:40:55 Robert: make the if consume, but don't add words like > or < 07:41:03 Robert: and replace them with If< and IF> 07:41:04 Do that, then "save newfile" to create one. 07:41:30 save rkg Can not save file 07:41:34 phooey 07:41:53 Should work. 07:42:02 ain't workling 07:42:14 Odd... 07:42:35 Sure you have write access and all? 07:42:35 maye you need to create filename o something? 07:42:41 yeees... 07:42:51 becasuse I just saved core 07:43:36 oh shit 07:43:37 lol 07:43:39 I CLEARED core 07:43:41 lol 07:43:52 Heh. 07:44:08 * arke restores 07:44:44 Just load the editor with nothing in it, write a word, press escaoe, and type "save foo" 07:44:45 aarghghghhghghghghhhgh 07:44:50 That should work. 07:45:03 ok, lemem try 07:45:30 omg 07:45:35 forefox bug!!@3~!~@~~!@@~~!@!~@!@@! 07:46:13 Hm? 07:47:02 still doesn't work 07:47:15 Odd. 07:47:36 I think I've done it... 07:47:38 yep 07:47:48 I'll try over here 07:47:49 figure it out, I'll be back in about 8.5 hours 07:47:52 :) 07:48:46 Hehe, bye. 07:50:20 forfoxbug? 07:50:22 Bah 07:50:22 :\ 07:50:25 It DOES work. 07:50:34 It just gives an error message anyway 07:50:39 Stupid arke, didn't test that :P 09:19:06 hmm 09:19:16 time to define CODE i think 09:19:28 * Topaz is getting fed up of assembly hardcoded into this forth ;) 09:26:20 --- quit: SDO ("Vision[0.9.6-0203]: i've been blurred!") 09:42:21 CREATE/DOES> is going to be fun to implement... 09:44:22 Hehehe 09:44:27 Yes, enjoy 10:53:27 --- join: kc5tja (~kc5tja@66-74-218-202.san.rr.com) joined #forth 10:53:35 --- mode: ChanServ set +o kc5tja 10:58:25 --- join: Serg (~z@193.201.231.126) joined #forth 10:59:50 hi 11:01:20 --- quit: Serg (Client Quit) 11:07:06 * kc5tja is getting food. Back in a bit. 11:08:24 --- join: Herkamire (~jason@h000094d30ba2.ne.client2.attbi.com) joined #forth 11:29:56 back 12:03:30 --- join: Sonarman (~matt@adsl-64-160-164-36.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) joined #forth 13:09:11 http://www.goodexperience.com/broken/i/04/03/easy_cd_error-s.jpg 13:09:58 better not start it 2 times, Herkamire :) 13:24:52 now lets see if I can get a version of dillo that scrolls down a page when you hit page down. 13:31:37 Herkamire: you don't like the fact that it only sccrolls down half a page? 13:33:10 no 13:33:15 it's hard to find where I left off reading 13:33:27 there's a reason it's not the "half page down" key 13:34:03 I prefer 3/4 page scrolling myself. 13:34:25 --- join: lalalim_ (~lalalim@p508ABDB5.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 13:35:16 kc5tja: yeah, me too. it's nice to have a little bit of the previous page at the top, so you don't get lost 13:35:25 Yep. 13:37:34 a little at the top is ok. I just want to be able to continue reading without looking about too much 13:39:56 a nice system would be one where after pressing page down, there's a visual cue that exists for a few seconds where the next page begins 13:40:09 --- quit: lalalim (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 13:45:05 Or something like what exists on some PalmOS document readers, a horizontal line that slowly scrolls over the text. Anything above the line is new material. When the line reaches the bottom of the screen, it just wraps back to the top. 13:45:21 Speed of "scrolling" is adjustable to your desired reading speed. 13:56:11 i like that convept of the horizontal line 13:56:13 concept 13:57:04 Sonarman: gv does that. 13:58:04 I wish it would always scroll down the same amount though. then I don't have to look for anything 14:00:58 the gv line is ugly though :) 14:02:44 it looks more like a rendering bug than a helpful cue 14:03:39 Herkamire: gv does nothing of the sort that I'm describing. It's horizontal line is static, and makes no attempt to match your reading speed. Flipping through the content is manual and explicit. 14:04:29 actually, the gv line looks fine. it was my memory of it that was bad :) 14:09:21 kc5tja: yeah, I meant it did what Sonarman was describing. 14:10:19 kc5tja: the auto scrolling thing sounds neat 14:10:23 I wouldn't want to use it though. 14:11:45 If I'm reading an article, I would definitely use it. 14:12:05 I like that you don't have to wait for a redraw, but I don't want to feel pressured to keep up, or have to remember to shut it off if I look up or leave for a minute 14:12:53 that's not normally a problem for me. 14:36:32 --- join: TheBlueWizard (TheBlueWiz@207.111.96.49) joined #forth 14:36:33 --- mode: ChanServ set +o TheBlueWizard 14:36:36 hiya all 14:36:58 re TheBlueWizard 14:37:06 hiya kc5tja 14:39:20 http://www.cigarro.ca/cc157.html 14:41:33 terrrrrrve 14:45:20 moi mur! how's life? 14:45:31 --- join: jdrake (irc_user@CPE00045afdd0e8-CM014410113717.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #forth 14:45:49 good now 14:46:26 good...me, doing well 14:50:01 Hi :) 15:00:00 Herkamire: That has got to be one of the weirder online comics I've ever read. 15:00:14 its mediocre 15:00:20 (read a few) 15:00:25 i mean few back 15:01:03 Yeah. It's punny, and mildly amusing. But definitely nothing of the caliber of, say, Schlock Mercenary or Sluggy Freelance. :D 15:01:35 I guess I find the greatest humor in the most twisted of comics. 15:01:56 Far Side, Close to Home, Sluggy Freelance, Schlock Mercenary, Dilbert, .. 15:02:44 hm i read Real Life, Little Gamers, Nuklear Power (very funny one, especially if you dig FF games) and wilt 15:03:20 at some point i should put myself to reading the archives of sinfest and pvponline, but i havent so far 15:03:36 sinfest has some funny god/devil stuff sometimes :) 15:03:38 http://www.qwantz.com/ Try that, for odd. 15:03:57 unless thats an alias, thats the first time i've ever seen you talk here :p 15:04:16 It's not. And I have been here before, but perhaps you were not here. 15:04:24 possibly :) 15:04:31 I was thinking of working on a webcomic when I was working for In-N-Out, based on my experiences there. 15:04:35 i did say "i've seen" ;) 15:04:44 kc5tja> going dilbert? :p 15:04:48 It's true, you did say that. 15:05:13 qFox: I doubt I have enough material to turn it into a truely original comic. 15:05:22 And my artistic skills are below even taht of Dilbert's, so go figure. :D 15:05:30 hehe 15:05:36 I can't draw a straight line with a CAD package... 15:05:36 mine arent either 15:05:52 plus i dont think i could put myself to creating a comic on a regular base 15:06:01 time+lack of inspiration 15:06:05 i think 15:06:38 Well, I'd probably be highly inspired by Sluggy and Dilbert, because I had plans of mixing my real-life problems at INO with *WILD* fantastical free-rides through some pretty freakin' warped imaginations. :D 15:07:01 well 15:07:12 reallife is a bit games/reallife based (greg dean comic) 15:07:33 little gamers is danish and usually about games or lack thereoff, pron and stuff 15:07:36 --- quit: Robert (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 15:07:46 No interest to me. 15:07:54 --- join: Robert (~snofs@c-bf5a71d5.17-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined #forth 15:07:55 nuklear power is a odd looking but very funny final fantasy character based comic 15:08:05 Comics based on "games" almost always end up utterly boring to me. 15:08:08 http://tinymicros.com/comics/ I set mine up for easy reading. 15:08:19 although the plotline somewhat resembles the FF series (lightwarriors) its so damned funny 15:08:31 you do have to get used to the images though (at least i had to)( 15:09:01 http://www.nuklearpower.com/daily.php?date=010302 15:09:09 here, once you pop, you cant stop :p 15:09:18 Oh, yeah, Ozy & Millie is easily one of my all-time favorites too. 15:09:21 the cartoon does get slightly better 15:11:52 O&M used to be good. Since this hiatus, he's really lost his edge. 15:12:19 There was another called 'Wendy' that went the same way. 15:12:34 and wilt (what i learned today) is a childish humor kind of comic, which is funny sometimes, and not other times. wilt seems to not work for me atm... http://www.dangerousthings.net/wilt/ 15:12:41 Gary Treadeau took a hiatus, and the comic tanked 15:12:42 I love Achewood 15:13:05 and there's sexy loosers, which is a porn jokes based comic (quite hard sometimes) but its not being updated much lately :\ 15:13:12 what simple forths are available that are meant to be embedded into C/Objc programs? 15:13:19 jdrake: Ficl 15:24:19 Yay! I get to make yet another 8x8 font editor in GForth, because I can't find the 6 others I know I made over the years. 15:24:51 Whoops -- I think I found something! 15:27:38 hehe 15:28:56 Time to work on BoxForth's BIOS, so to speak. 15:29:01 was it perhaps a level 33 ring? 15:29:05 Goal for today -- usable character output. 15:29:05 "In the fierce battle, Grmpster dropped his level 33 ring! " 15:29:14 (sorry :) 15:33:20 arke> leet stuff: [00:32:46] qFox and NightHeaven have not let the iniquities of evil men poison them. Together have they prayed to their god, and it is his light that now shines upon them. 6% of their time is removed from their clocks. 15:38:05 --- join: blockhead (default@dialin-235-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net) joined #forth 15:53:26 a quick question that hopefully somebody knows - does ficl's support for floating point work directly (like inputting 39.39 will go right into it) without any special tricks I have heard of in forth 15:54:51 jdrake: if it's Forth, it'll probably use Forth methods of putting in floating point numbers. 15:55:04 I don't know personally, but scientific notation may be the only way to put in floating point numbers. 15:57:45 oh god 15:58:43 :) 15:59:53 It's not that hard. 15:59:56 Ugly, perhaps. 15:59:59 But it's not hard. 16:00:07 3.14159e <-- pi. 16:00:28 151.75e <-- decimal need not conform to sci-notation's conventions. 16:00:32 --- join: SDO (~SDO@68.170.20.201) joined #forth 16:00:37 1.5175e2 <-- but it can if you want it to. 16:00:39 re SDO 16:01:06 kc5tja, howdie 16:01:55 ok i can handle an extra e 16:02:18 i am planning on piping this through a network socket or something similar 16:03:45 "We're like parents. Actually I am a parent. I tell my kids "no" all the time for life and death reasons: don't run into the road, don't run by the pool, don't lick the power outlets. But I also say "no" when it's not life or death: you can't drink coffee, don't say "goddamn" at playgroup, leave your friends' genitals alone." <-- heh 16:03:48 http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/5091 16:05:25 --- join: default_ (default@dialin-612-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net) joined #forth 16:06:13 --- nick: default_ -> blockhead_ 16:12:33 --- quit: blockhead (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 16:14:43 SDO: Check out the screen shots -- http://www.falvotech.com/kestrel.html 16:21:11 kc5tja, nice. 16:21:15 coming along fine i see. 16:21:17 ETA? 16:21:20 bobe 16:21:23 none rather 16:21:30 :) 16:21:37 well, I'll keep on hoping and supporting ya! 16:21:39 keep up the great work. 16:21:47 It'll get done when it gets done. :) 16:21:50 Thanks. 16:22:18 I expect this week and the next to spend time coding on text output alone. 16:22:58 cool. 16:23:00 bbl 16:24:13 --- quit: Topaz ("Leaving") 16:28:25 nice screenshots 16:33:20 hiya SDO 16:38:39 HI! :) 16:38:47 re arke 16:40:26 Robert: still awake, mi amigo? 16:41:46 grrr 16:41:50 Can't use the editor 16:41:55 this is all Robert's fault 16:42:23 swedish keymap? 16:42:25 :) 16:42:46 no, he sactually gave me a US image 16:42:58 the problem is that his save word JUST WONT FxxxING WORK!!! 16:43:07 he says it works but gives an error message anyway 16:43:09 I call BS 16:43:15 it doesn't 16:43:17 ;) 16:44:21 but at least, his sources are filled with humorous comments 16:45:43 AAARGGHHGHGGHGHGHGHHGGHGGGHGGGHGHGHGHGHG 16:45:46 ROBERT HATE 16:45:48 ;) 16:47:28 heh 16:48:03 --- topic: set to 'FORTH programming language. Info: http://forth.bespin.org/resources/introduction ANSI: http://www.taygeta.com/forth/dpans.htm FIG83: http://forth.sourceforge.net/standard/fst83/ || :NOTICE: Kestrel project update! See http://www.falvotech.com/weblog for more details. || http://www.memnonio.com/forth.html || robert; arke has an axe with your name on it... i suggest you run' by qFox 16:48:16 ;) 16:48:44 dammit 16:48:49 QDB is getting lame 16:48:53 :( 16:48:56 and yet, I'm addicted 16:49:01 wotsthat 16:49:12 qFox: bash.org 16:49:14 oh 16:49:30 muh the quotes get kinda boring pretty fast for me 16:50:26 * blockhead_ misses bash.cx 16:50:50 porn quotes? :p 16:51:48 goatse's personal blog ;) 16:52:02 ??? 16:52:09 for me, .cx will probably always be associated with goatse i think :) 16:52:25 what is all this goat misspelled stuff? 16:52:45 you dont know goatse? :p 16:52:49 * blockhead_ sees that word on usenet two and has begun to wonder WTF 16:52:51 oh dear, you poor thing 16:52:52