00:00:00 --- log: started forth/04.06.17 00:33:18 --- quit: slava (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00:47:03 --- join: slava (~slava@69.196.155.184) joined #forth 01:26:42 --- quit: slava (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 02:35:46 --- quit: htp123 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03:03:33 --- join: solar_angel (~jenni@Toronto-HSE-ppp3685160.sympatico.ca) joined #forth 03:12:07 --- quit: solar_angel ("*nah*") 03:17:58 --- join: qFox (C00K13S@cp12172-a.roose1.nb.home.nl) joined #forth 03:26:55 --- join: htp123 (~tehsux@24.68.59.145) joined #forth 04:31:40 --- join: crc (crc@0-1pool176-25.nas6.philadelphia1.pa.us.da.qwest.net) joined #forth 04:38:38 --- quit: crc ("Working...") 06:03:35 --- quit: I440r ("Leaving") 07:13:13 --- join: slava (~slava@CPE00096ba44261-CM000e5cdfda14.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #forth 07:34:53 --- join: solar_angel (~jenni@Toronto-HSE-ppp3685160.sympatico.ca) joined #forth 08:01:17 --- quit: solar_angel ("*later*") 08:51:06 --- join: Herkamire (~stjohns@h000094d30ba2.ne.client2.attbi.com) joined #forth 09:31:23 the simlockhack worked :D 09:31:32 Hey qFox 09:31:37 hi 09:31:37 What simlockhack? 09:32:17 when you buy a cellphone (At least here) its locked to only accept sim cards of a certain provider (specificly the provider you got the phone from) 09:32:34 so the phone wont accept sims of other providers 09:32:47 but these locks can be overwritten by simple codes 09:32:49 :D 09:32:58 so i got me a nokia 2300, relatively cheap 09:33:20 and can keep my old sim, which is with a provider that has much better coverage 09:33:31 Heh, OK. 09:33:41 You fool the evil capitalists, hooray. 09:34:23 uh, yeah, sure 09:34:34 i have a good phone with fm radio :p 09:35:49 Hehe 09:36:30 * qFox out 09:41:29 --- join: Serg (~z@193.201.231.126) joined #forth 09:42:53 Hi Serg 09:42:59 hi 09:43:15 * Serg is fighting w/ ZX cross-compiler 09:43:33 Hehe 09:44:00 i fail to do the easiest thing - load .bin at given addr and start 09:44:26 * Serg is little drunk after company's birthday, but not _so_ drunk 09:45:00 --- join: I440r (~mark4@168-215-246-243.gen.twtelecom.net) joined #forth 09:46:13 Hi I440r 09:50:23 hi 09:51:55 any retrocomputing chans here ? 09:56:24 recomputing ? 09:56:31 reverse engineering ? 09:56:34 oh 09:56:35 retro 09:56:38 I was wondering that, too. 09:56:38 tetro 09:56:39 theres #tunes 09:56:42 Retro 09:56:44 I440r: hahahahah 09:56:45 old things 09:56:54 thats tcn's baby (or used to be :) 09:56:54 Spectrum, PDP-11... 09:57:21 sometimes in #c this guy comes who's trying to restore a pdp-11 09:57:35 (he has physical access to one) 09:57:54 i wanna download emulator ;)) 09:58:05 Serg: there's many. Try simh. 09:58:42 PDP-11 UNIX ? 09:58:42 arent pdp-11's HUGE ? 09:58:50 not so 09:59:32 i do not know proper words for home furniture ;)))) 09:59:45 I440r: they are. 10:00:00 but it may fit in living room, if floor will hold that weight 10:00:18 i judge by photos 10:00:18 yes, pdp's are more like furniture than like buildings 10:00:37 which is why they're called "minicomputers" :) 10:00:58 coz others took large halls or buildings 10:02:07 one of RU speccy-age tapeloaders was made after PDP-11 10:02:18 i run my 1st proggie on it, in basic 10:02:46 it was Lissajue figures 10:04:00 sweet. 10:04:15 I have never had experience with old (pre-PC) machines 10:04:48 save for my TI-86, which is quite new but has a z80 for a brain 10:05:12 16k RAM, 16K screen, 512x256 mono 10:05:48 lament: stack/RPN or algebraic ? 10:06:04 we had programmed calc's too 10:06:15 i bought 2 as rarities, wery cheap 10:06:42 Serg: algebraic, with a simple BASIC dialect 10:06:45 one is mint new w/ warranty ticket, despite made >10y ago 10:06:57 but people have done various things with it, including a RPN "shell" 10:07:08 And a forth 10:07:18 second, dead, w/ EEPROM - can store proggies between power-off 10:07:43 lament: nice 10:11:44 * Serg is reading ZX 'e-press' 10:12:09 self-booting floppy w/ GUI shell and some texts/pics 10:18:41 yep ! 10:19:01 what i see - RU transl of famous 'Jargon File' ! 10:22:16 --- join: Sonarman (~matt@adsl-64-171-255-230.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) joined #forth 10:27:05 --- join: warpzero (~warpzero@neo.cs.umt.edu) joined #forth 10:28:02 --- quit: warpzero (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 10:28:37 --- join: warpzero (~warpzero@neo.cs.umt.edu) joined #forth 10:28:48 damn everything, i feel sick :(( Do not drink ! 10:31:11 i dont 10:35:17 me t00, butt now i broke the rule... 10:43:11 bye ! 10:43:13 --- quit: Serg () 10:55:53 --- quit: I440r (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11:00:03 --- quit: Robert (Remote closed the connection) 11:00:07 --- join: Robert__ (~snofs@c-bf5a71d5.17-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined #forth 11:00:25 --- nick: Robert__ -> Robert 11:21:53 --- join: thin (thin@bespin.org) joined #forth 11:22:02 The definition of intelligence is, if you agree with me, you're intelligent. If you don't agree with me, you're obviously an idiot. 11:22:18 --- part: thin left #forth 11:24:50 ehr :) 12:18:10 --- quit: htp32 (Remote closed the connection) 12:30:31 ack. c.l.f is being spammed :( 12:31:00 clf? 12:31:27 comp.lang.forth 12:32:07 ah 12:32:32 i wish someone had moderation power 12:32:49 you mean to tell me there's no modding whatsoever? 12:32:58 so it seems 12:33:06 i'm not familiar with newsgroup mechanics, but that sounds like a serious flaw 12:34:14 yes, well some newsgroups are moderated. but c.l.f has done surprisingly well (from what i've seen of it) without moderation 12:34:30 ah ok 12:34:41 for a sec there i thought you meant it wasnt possible on newsgroups :p 12:35:08 it's only occasionally that it gets spammed (or someone posts 17 copies of the same message :P ) 12:35:37 but it would be nice if there were moderation, to handle those rare occasions 12:35:56 who decides such things? 12:36:49 --- quit: htp123 (Client Quit) 12:37:05 i don't know 13:08:38 hi 13:09:21 hey 13:09:38 how's the isforth demo going? 13:10:12 teehee: gotten Nightmare yet? :P 13:19:27 no not yet 13:20:01 you don't have to :) 13:20:08 but it's a good song (IMHO) 13:20:43 what about the isforth demo? what are you planning it to do? 13:34:37 --- join: lalalim_ (~lalalim@pD95EA0D1.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 13:35:57 --- join: crc (crc@0-1pool88-121.nas48.philadelphia1.pa.us.da.qwest.net) joined #forth 13:39:11 --- quit: lalalim (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 13:45:22 --- quit: warpzero ("Tried to warn you about Chino and Daddy Gee, but I can't seem to get to you through the U.S. Mail.") 13:52:48 Sonarman: right now, I've decided to belay it and work on frapiar first 13:54:02 --- join: I440r (~mark4@168-215-246-243.gen.twtelecom.net) joined #forth 13:54:15 I440r! 13:54:43 HI THERE MARK 13:54:45 HOW ARE YOU 13:55:42 FOR TRAN 13:56:03 : 1 2 ; 13:56:06 : 2 3 ; 13:56:07 ;) 13:58:41 nono 5 constant 3 13:58:45 much better! 14:02:36 : number ( a u -- f ) 2drop random compile literal true ; 14:03:34 anything thats not in the dictionary automatically becomes a random number ? 14:04:40 hehe 14:04:55 taken from MS Forth 98 14:05:03 lol 14:17:35 lol 14:18:46 --- quit: Sonarman ("Lost terminal") 14:18:59 --- join: Sonarman (~matt@adsl-64-171-255-230.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) joined #forth 14:19:50 wb Sonarman 14:26:41 thanks. i missed you guys 14:46:19 --- quit: crc ("Working...") 14:47:19 --- quit: cmeme (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14:53:36 no point having this definition is ther? 14:53:36 : hex>char hex> >char ; 14:54:11 Well, looks like the usual speed/size competition. 14:54:25 neither is an issue here 14:54:32 i think i'll go without this def ;) 14:55:03 Then you choose simplicity! An excellent choice, Sir. 14:56:41 --- join: cmeme (~cmeme@216.184.11.30.unused.swcp.com) joined #forth 15:01:48 what do people think of this code -- http://www.common-lisp.net/paste/display/1368 15:02:15 * Robert checks 15:02:35 So you're one of those...Lispers? 15:02:44 i just use their pastebin 15:03:16 Sorry, what does "dip" do again? 15:04:26 And, uhm, it looks neat, but a bit cryptic :) 15:04:32 [ ... ] dip is like >r ... r> 15:04:53 whats up with the []'s in that code? 15:04:54 Words like #\% don't exactly help. 15:04:58 oh or is that lisp? 15:05:02 in that case i have no clue :p 15:05:02 qFox: its factor 15:05:07 dito 15:05:10 Robert: #\% is a character literal % 15:11:02 Ah, OK 15:19:21 --- join: tathi (~josh@pcp02123722pcs.milfrd01.pa.comcast.net) joined #forth 15:25:59 --- join: blockhead (default@dialin-651-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net) joined #forth 15:33:02 --- join: doublec (~doublec@coretech.co.nz) joined #forth 15:33:31 thiiii 15:33:55 tathi: after an extensive convo with another person, I've decided to go with C afterall ;0 15:34:10 me too :D 15:39:02 i have started to level in being a forther! :p 15:39:30 your forth skills have improved. You have ascended to level 2 :D 15:39:40 ;) 15:39:41 roll 2d4 for your bonus 15:39:50 * teehee rolls 15:40:10 #idlerpg on efnet 15:40:10 heh 15:40:17 its so useless its fun :p 15:41:35 qdox: how go your experiments with data compression? 15:41:43 qfox I mean! doh! 15:41:44 they have stopped 15:41:53 :( 15:42:03 it became complicated to write to files bitwise 15:42:14 it confused the hell out of me and i gave up for now 15:42:22 for now 15:42:25 * qFox weak :( 15:42:36 yeah, maybe i'll get back on it later 15:42:37 mine have paused 15:42:59 but i figured it'd be pointless to continue research if i wouldnt be able to write compression programs to test my stuff in practice and see results 15:43:13 my best result, while impressive, did not beat .zip 15:43:17 atm i cant even make programs for huffman etc :\ 15:43:18 qFox: you are correct 15:43:34 ohwell, maybe, probably, later 15:43:41 huffman is a BITCH. MIght want to try arithmetic codeing 15:43:49 compression, not codign :D 15:44:18 well no, the compression isnt the problem 15:44:20 its writing in bits 15:44:30 buffering bytes before writing etc 15:44:32 that's easy 15:44:35 gah its just all confusing 15:44:40 well, not easy, not close to easy 15:44:44 but close to easy 15:44:45 hehe 15:44:56 oh sure, and you're not confusing either eh? 15:45:03 [00:44:40] well, not easy, not close to easy 15:45:04 easier than typing in this irc window, apparentely :/ 15:45:09 [00:44:44] but close to easy 15:45:14 that was a typo 15:45:16 hehehe 15:45:24 replace the last not with a "but" 15:45:26 * qFox reading idlerpg docs atm 15:45:48 o_0 there's one on freenode as well 15:45:49 corrected: [00:44:40] well, not easy, but close to easy 15:45:58 :p 15:46:31 * blockhead joins ... 15:46:32 would you believe the efnet chan has 1100+ ppl in it 15:46:34 is unmoderated 15:46:39 and quiet 15:46:46 except for the bot 15:46:53 thats pretty damn impressive 15:48:07 00:47:55 idlerpg@#idlerpg@EFnet: qFox, the Forther, has attained level 2! Next level in 0 days, 00:13:27. 15:48:08 00:47:55 idlerpg@#idlerpg@EFnet: qFox [3/4] has challenged Shat [52/307] in combat and lost! 0 days, 00:00:56 is added to qFox's clock. 15:51:40 blockhead> join and see who's the better forther! :p 15:52:00 I joined but I'm figuring out how to work it 15:52:01 /msg idlebot register blockhead Forther 15:52:04 ah 15:52:25 well i'm reading the efnet docs, but it appears to be a publicly available script/app 15:52:34 this one looks identical 15:52:45 teehee: go with C for what? 15:52:52 http://idlerpg.com/idlerpg.php for info, in case that site is unclear 15:53:09 reading a help file now ... 15:53:14 --- join: Topaz (~top@spc1-horn1-6-0-cust104.cosh.broadband.ntl.com) joined #forth 15:54:44 the hell is that 15:55:48 wow: you do nothing and level up. That's so cool :D 15:55:53 aye :) 15:56:16 * blockhead industriously does nothing :D 15:56:26 hehe 15:57:04 * blockhead does nothing, with vigor! 15:57:06 the freenode one is slower i think (makes sense since there are /10 amount of users here, at least in the chan) 15:57:27 hm or not 15:57:34 nm 15:57:42 ;) 15:58:56 Some quests require that users walk to certain points on the map. In the spirit of IRPG, of course, the trek is made for you. 15:58:57 :p 15:59:09 Your character will automatically walk in the direction that it is supposed to, although at a much slower than normal pace (to avoid accidents, of course. you don't want to fall down and risk a Realm-wide p15!). 16:00:19 qFox: what were you saying about writing out bitwise files earlier? 16:00:36 that it confused me 16:00:47 i had written a program and hten realized i borked it up completely 16:00:51 qFox: were you just taking x bits and writing them to files? 16:01:04 qFox: i guess i could help you on that 16:01:06 well, buffering them to bytesize and then yes 16:01:15 qFox: yeah. 16:01:36 hmmm, i'll keep that in mind, thanks, but i'm working on something else atm :) 16:02:01 qFox: how were you buffering it? I just thought of 2 ways, one being much better than the other ;) 16:02:11 the wrong way :p 16:02:12 qFox: I have C source for that. maybe you coudl read it and adapt it to forth? 16:02:29 hm lets see, i shifted in 0's and 1's 16:02:41 but at some point realized that that was so bad 16:02:44 qFox: you probably want to make a count (xxx bits to go before flush). 16:02:59 qFox: set the lowest bit and shift, as necessary 16:03:04 qFox: until the count is 0 16:03:05 aye, i've done a similar read program 16:03:21 qFox: explicit flush shifts the rest (thus filling 0) 16:08:32 qFox: could write you something to do that later. what forth? 16:08:43 i'm using win32forth 16:09:21 so ANS ;) 16:09:24 mmkay 16:09:26 ye 16:09:27 get back to me on that 16:09:35 slava: can I /query j00? 16:09:43 hehe, i will when i continue on it 16:09:44 sure 16:17:56 blockhead> the "game" seems to be more active with more players. by that i mean, i seem to fight (and loose...) every time i level on efnet, but so far never on freenode 16:19:14 ack 16:19:16 efnet needs idnet 16:23:00 some guy on another chanell has a quit message that says "IRC is just multiplayer notepad" :D 16:24:33 thats what boombox says every time i mention irc :p 16:24:49 :D 16:26:23 another forther is seen on that channel :D 16:26:46 Arke the Bisexual Wizard from Hell 16:26:47 lol 16:26:48 aye, with a strange profession :p 16:26:52 hehe 16:27:03 at least mine is noble :p 16:28:15 dont forget to change your allignment! 16:28:25 in fact i forgot that myself on freenode 16:29:03 eep i'm getting penalties for msging the bot 16:29:05 heh 16:30:01 l0l 16:30:09 shiaaat 16:30:15 perhaps its just not possible here 16:30:16 1143 on EFNet !!! 16:30:28 told you 16:30:35 and best of all, -m and no spam 16:31:00 for the past ... 80 mins i've only seen an op say one line 16:31:10 thats amazing, for efnet standards 16:31:13 ;) 16:31:17 what was the line? 16:31:21 oh yes,very muchso 16:31:25 align good|neutral|evil 16:31:30 --- quit: tathi ("laters...") 16:31:50 there's also #irgp ,which is the newest version of this thing, appearantly 16:31:55 allows some user interaction i think 16:32:05 irpg@#irpg@EFnet: qFox, the sand granule collector has attained level 1! Next level in 0 days, 00:11:36. 16:32:25 sand dranual collector?! 16:32:30 g 16:32:31 always wanted to do that 16:32:45 a fantasy come true! 16:33:26 (i actually did have to translate that online hehe) 16:33:41 translate it? 16:33:41 ??? 16:34:09 sand granule 16:34:19 i can honestly say i have never heard of "granule" before 16:35:14 dont forget to update your scripts :) 16:38:22 the website seems to be a little slow, but you can view your stats online 16:38:23 http://idlerpg.ethernal.org/playerview.php?player=qFox 16:38:34 (the whole thing is case sensitive btw) 16:39:33 the whole idea is very good imo. 16:39:41 and opens alot of opportunities 16:44:07 --- part: lament left #forth 16:47:41 --- join: arke (~arke@wbar8.lax1-4-11-100-108.dsl-verizon.net) joined #forth 16:47:57 hrm 16:47:58 pwned 16:48:07 opera has embedded IRC 16:48:11 ;) 16:48:22 just gotta figure out the font ;) 16:48:24 nothing like a little feature-bloat eh? ;) 16:48:25 :) 16:48:33 yeh 16:48:35 * teehee = arke 16:50:01 test 16:50:03 argh 16:50:45 test failed 16:50:57 qFox, haha 16:51:01 i'm level 33 i think 16:51:04 terve mur 16:51:06 ! 16:51:14 irpg... hehe 16:51:24 opera sure is perdy 16:52:34 test again 16:52:36 ack 16:53:43 test 16:54:35 maybe we can pursuade them to upgrade so we can use teams 16:54:40 team #forth ! :p 16:58:41 --- quit: I440r ("Leaving") 17:00:38 how would I do the CSS for monospace 17:00:45 font-family: monospace <- like that? 17:00:51 --- join: htp123 (~tehsux@S0106000d6151238b.gv.shawcable.net) joined #forth 17:01:17 test again 17:03:25 i've send a comment asking for a upgrade on freenode :p 17:03:35 ;) 17:04:37 gawd 17:04:41 trying to figure this out 17:04:46 sup? 17:04:54 how do i get opera to reload its css files? 17:05:12 opera evil get away from me!! 17:07:03 :P 17:07:06 it ain't evi; 17:07:10 just closed source 17:07:14 so its only half evil 17:11:39 well, so far, opera has everything except for a text editor. 17:14:09 --- quit: doublec ("Leaving") 17:14:19 does it have minesweeper? 17:17:37 lol\ 17:17:43 who needs minesweeper? ;) 17:17:51 but seriously 17:18:01 if I find a few plugins, I don't need to use anything else except for opera 17:20:39 opera-forth? 17:23:59 orth? 17:24:30 figaro, figaro figaro forrrrrrrrrrth! 17:24:55 yeah 17:25:03 i need a forth, a SSH client, and a text editor 17:25:31 emacs :P 17:25:34 with that, I'd just have that as my shell and use nothing else 17:25:36 arke. It is silly, but there is a way to make almost any browser into a text editor 17:25:36 Sonarman: ewww 17:25:43 blockhead: ;) 17:25:54 no, really. :D 17:26:08 set up a local wiki server on your HD 17:26:21 so you can use it even when offline 17:26:48 suddenly your browser is a (crude) text editor 17:27:19 write an editor in javascript and forth-script 17:27:24 and html, of course 17:27:33 ;) 17:27:40 you guys are teh crazy 17:27:43 --- part: arke left #forth 17:28:16 we are not safe yet, for teehee is still here :( :( :( :) 17:28:53 ;) 17:28:59 ILL BE BACK BIOTCH 17:29:23 slava: there? 17:29:46 yes 17:30:05 slava: is it possible to make jedit (or a subset thereof) a plugin for opera? 17:31:19 that's a scary concept 17:31:53 possible though? 17:32:14 --- join: arke (~arke@wbar8.lax1-4-11-100-108.dsl-verizon.net) joined #forth 17:32:46 teehee: you mean jedit as an applet? 17:32:52 possible, but would require a lot of refactoring 17:37:00 what do people think of this 17:37:05 <% starts a formatted string 17:37:16 subsequent % append top-of-stack to formatted string 17:37:21 %> pushes the formatted string on the stack 17:37:32 between <% an %> its kept in a 'special place' :) 17:37:49 sounds like <# # #> 17:38:06 from Forth 17:38:08 oh really? 17:38:28 s/ # / #S // 17:39:41 in Forth it's kept in PAD, which you could call a 'special place' :) 17:39:55 does it support nested use of <# #>? 17:39:58 --- join: topher (~chris@lsanca1-ar42-4-61-175-184.lsanca1.dsl-verizon.net) joined #forth 17:40:02 eg i can do <% <% <% %> %> %> 17:40:05 no 17:40:06 and get an empty string :-) :-) 17:40:23 <# resets the pointer' 17:40:27 so i guess yours is nicer :) 17:40:58 well, actually you COULD do THAT and get an empty string :) 17:41:13 here is the implementation: 17:41:13 : <% dup >n [ "format-buffer" set ] bind ; 17:41:13 : format-buffer ( -- buf ) "format-buffer" get ; 17:41:15 : % format-buffer sbuf-append drop ; 17:41:17 : %> format-buffer >str n> drop ; 17:41:31 * Sonarman tries to get his mind into factor-mode. 17:41:44 <% pushes a namespace on the namestack 17:41:51 the namespace stores the 'format-buffer' variable 17:42:00 % and %> then use this variable (and %> pops off the namestack) 17:42:02 >n n> 17:43:29 is like PAD? 17:43:39 it creates a new string buffer object on the stack 17:43:48 ok 17:43:50 its basically a mutable string that grows as needed so yeah 17:43:58 nice :) 17:45:26 --- join: I440r (~mark4@216-110-82-1.gen.twtelecom.net) joined #forth 17:45:33 why don't you add syntax for getting and setting the value of a variable so you don't have to do that "name" get/set stuff? 17:45:58 i used to have $foo ==> "foo" get and @foo ==> "foo" set 17:46:05 but parser simplicity is a goal too :) 17:46:10 :) 17:46:21 also explicit set/get encourages better factoring 17:46:33 how? 17:46:53 by sticking out and asking to be factored :) 17:47:03 : off f swap set ; : on t swap set ; 17:47:07 for instance 17:47:13 "some-flag" off 17:47:28 ok 17:47:45 when code mixed the $/@ notation and get/set, it was harder to see where it coul be factored 17:47:47 maybe that's just me 17:47:58