00:00:00 --- log: started forth/04.06.12 00:05:57 --- quit: kc5tja ("THX QSO ES 73 DE KC5TJA/6 CL ES QRT AR SK") 00:40:24 --- join: topher (~chris@lsanca1-ar42-4-61-175-184.lsanca1.dsl-verizon.net) joined #forth 00:49:54 --- join: arke_ (~Chris@wbar8.lax1-4-11-100-108.dsl-verizon.net) joined #forth 00:49:57 --- quit: arke (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01:00:03 --- quit: topher ("Client Exiting") 01:24:22 --- quit: SDO (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 01:39:20 --- part: ForthFreak left #forth 02:07:19 --- join: solar_angel (~jenni@Toronto-HSE-ppp3685160.sympatico.ca) joined #forth 04:23:55 --- join: qFox (C00K13S@cp12172-a.roose1.nb.home.nl) joined #forth 06:05:00 Hi qFox 06:10:29 hi 06:11:56 whoa... i've had the weirdest morning. 06:12:04 is DTC really faster than STC on Intel? 06:12:24 i probably just need to actually build in my optimizer... 06:12:32 Heh. 06:12:54 Yes, probably. 06:13:32 --- quit: htp123 (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 06:15:14 Argh, I underestimated the evil of 32-bit addressing on x86. 06:19:40 lol, oh? 06:19:50 * solar_angel underestimated the evil of STC. 06:19:56 Hehe. 06:19:58 although it works now, at least i can say that much. 06:20:00 Ever messed with them? 06:20:04 with what? 06:20:18 The _ordinary_ rules are evil enough, but then there's a huge pile of exceptions. 06:20:23 32-bit addressing on x86. 06:20:39 lol, you're working on an assembler? 06:21:02 I'll just write a limited assembler, so that something like [NOS] is compiled as [ESI] or whatever. 06:21:10 Yes, for the Forth system. 06:21:18 *nods* same situation for me. 06:21:24 i've got a fair start on a complete assembler. 06:21:27 Using I440r's IsForth right now, though. 06:21:36 Good for you. :) 06:21:56 i'm still trying to get ?DO working now... but that's a recent thing. 06:23:06 I don't think I've ever used ?DO... Always been a fan of simple loops (for/next, tail recursion). Mostly because I can't remember all those loop variants. ;) 06:23:20 heh 06:24:00 --- join: htp123 (~tehsux@S010600055d233ab7.gv.shawcable.net) joined #forth 06:31:20 there are many yeah 06:31:35 Yep. 06:31:46 i use do loop and begin while repeat mostly 06:32:20 i have most of them in my forth compiler... 06:32:23 except for for/next 06:32:31 How many other languages do you think have a serious "These Are The Loop Constructs I Use" debate? ;) 06:32:31 i'm missing that one. 06:32:33 well if you can do one, you can do them all, i think 06:32:48 heh 06:32:48 Robert - how many other languages support "NIP AND TUCK" as valid syntax? 06:32:58 :p 06:33:10 OK, I don't get the joke in that. 06:33:15 nip() and() tuck() 06:33:28 its a surgical procedure, afaik 06:33:35 facelifting etc 06:33:43 or related to.. 06:33:46 Thanks. 06:33:56 hehe 06:34:06 also a tvshow 06:34:08 :) 06:36:33 : now 1 ; : i 2 ; : screw 3 ; : things + ; : up do loop ; NOW I WILL SCREW THINGS UP 06:36:55 *lol* 06:37:02 my FORTH is case sensitive. 06:37:12 i hate it :0 06:37:33 hate what? 06:37:35 cs 06:37:46 i hate case in general. 06:37:52 i don't even capitalize 'i'. 06:37:55 or my name. 06:38:36 I was born to be a pedant. Just tell me if I get too annoying and I'll keep quiet. 06:38:46 well, thats besides the point really. its the confusion and fact that its easier to remember enterthisintowindowsnow then EnterThisIntoWindowsNow type of long intercrap stuff 06:39:28 plus i dont like to write in caps as it means i'd either have to turn on capslock while typing words, or hold shift 06:39:47 heh 06:39:53 i'm willing to type constants in caps though 06:40:10 but thats just something i've learned to do 06:40:31 I wouldn't write much faster without capitalization. 06:40:40 * Robert can't type properly anyway 06:40:47 plus in my source its easy to spot constants that way, since they are the only words written in caps :p 06:41:01 well its not so much faster, as it is easier 06:41:09 minimal, but still.. 06:41:48 Can't beat the amount if time I spend rephrasing everything I type. :) 06:42:00 hehe 07:25:48 --- quit: solar_angel ("*gone gone gone*") 08:38:10 mornin' 08:38:27 --- join: arke__ (~Chris@wbar8.lax1-4-11-100-108.dsl-verizon.net) joined #forth 08:38:57 Hi teehee and arke__ 08:39:12 Oh, same person I guess? 08:39:32 ye3s 08:39:43 Started hacking at that assembler. 08:39:56 --- quit: arke_ (Connection reset by peer) 08:40:27 Not really an assembler, though. 08:40:47 Robert: how far + what does it do? 09:02:56 Not far at all, a few pages of code & definitions. 09:03:19 And it's basically just for the instructions that the Forth needs. 09:03:31 Example: 09:03:32 : SWAP ( -- ) $87 write TOS [NOS] ; 09:03:40 Where: 09:03:42 : TOS ( -- ) EAX ; 09:03:42 : [NOS] ( reg -- ) ESI [NONE] >modrm write ; 09:06:02 --- join: SDO (~SDO@co-trinidad1a-156.clspco.adelphia.net) joined #forth 09:07:38 [NONE]? 09:12:55 Er, yes, meaning no constant is added to ESI. 09:16:47 --- join: kc5tja (~kc5tja@66-74-218-202.san.rr.com) joined #forth 09:16:59 --- mode: ChanServ set +o kc5tja 09:17:05 1hi kc5tja 09:17:19 Greetings 09:17:33 Tja. 09:17:46 Yeah, whatever. :) 09:18:02 It's nice that your suffix means "hi" in Swedish. 09:18:08 ? 09:18:12 I thought it meant "whatever". 09:18:30 Hm, you're right, it has different meanings. 09:18:37 That's why I responded the way I did. :) 09:18:41 Oh. I didn't know that. 09:18:59 If it sounds hesitant, it means something like "well..." 09:20:55 Ahh 09:20:59 That's probably what I was thinking 09:21:56 Don't worry, I probably miss half of what you mean because of lacking English skills. 09:23:11 :) 09:23:43 I need to figure out where to go with Kestrel today. 09:24:03 I think it would probably be best if I can get the emulator to show a frame buffer of some kind. 09:24:25 What do you folk(s) think? 09:37:54 sounds goot 09:37:59 --- nick: arke__ -> arke 09:38:55 Robert: wouldn't something like TOS [NOS] XCGH, be better? :) 09:39:10 XCHG* 09:39:19 yeah 09:39:23 Try to implement it, then. 09:39:34 x86 addressing is a little...well...you'll notice. 09:39:40 odd? :) 09:39:43 kc5tja: Sorry, but I don't know what that means. 09:40:05 Robert: You know what folk is right? (e.g., volk in German) 09:40:09 Robert: he means making bochs for the Kestrel, kinda 09:40:27 kc5tja: Yes. 09:40:27 Robert: just so he can test it, and maybe start developing. 09:40:47 The emulator I have only emulates the CPU, but doesn't address interrupts (yet) nor does it handle keyboard, video, or "disk" I/O. 09:41:01 kc5tja: I meant, what an "emulating showing a framebuffer" means. 09:41:38 A framebuffer is a chunk of memory that contains video data. 09:42:13 Uhm, yes... I just don't see the alternative. 09:42:18 ?? 09:42:22 An emulator that does not emulate video at all? 09:42:23 You're confusing ME now. 09:42:31 Robert: It's a CPU emulator. 09:42:37 It emulates the CPU. 09:42:49 It does not emulate the whole of Kestrel. 09:43:07 OK, and you asked if it was a good idea to emulate the entire Kestrel? 09:43:29 To spend time working on it, yes. There are a few who would prefer I dive right into the Verilog. 09:43:58 But I personally would prefer to get the framebuffer running, so that myself and/or others can generate a body of code that the real CPU can (hopefully) execute when the real CPU is produced. 09:44:26 cool 09:44:36 are you writing the emulator in forth? 09:44:44 lalalim: Yes. It'll run in GForth. 09:44:48 Under Linux. 09:44:54 Ah. I think that's probably best, then. 09:44:54 cool 09:44:58 It will use the SDL library to provide its framebuffer display. 09:45:13 i started writing a simple Chip-8 emulator :) 09:45:33 However, I *MUST* emphasize that the emulation will not be 100% complete, nor will it necessarily be 100% accurate. 09:46:28 As long as the differences won't be HUGE, I guess modifying the code won't be such a bad job. 09:46:36 That's what I'm banking on. 09:46:46 Of course, it all ultimately depends on how the hardware turns out. 09:47:31 I expect the greatest differences in the system to (a) be concealed/dealt with by the MachineForth compiler itself, and (b) most differences are expected to be in the video hardware system. 09:47:44 (e.g., register layouts will likely end up different, etc) 09:48:49 Let's just say that the emulator is the Kestrel "as I currently see it, and preferably, want it." It does not necessarily match future reality when it's done. :) 09:49:17 :) 09:49:54 Actually I'd love having a shot at writing some software for the Kestrel, if a simulator became available. 09:50:08 I'm getting really tired of x86 now. 09:50:18 Will you do something MachineForth-like? 09:50:32 That's the other thing too -- the emulator does not properly deal with real-world timing (yet?). 09:50:45 Robert: Yes. The assembler for it is already in the Kestrel files distribution. 09:50:45 Erm, brb. 09:50:51 It still needs more testing though. 09:50:54 Ah, good! 09:51:03 But people who actually use it will inevitably find and help fix bugs. 09:52:15 Documentation will need to be written for it too. But I think it's best to finish the emulator first. 10:15:58 --- join: topher (~chris@lsanca1-ar42-4-61-178-027.lsanca1.dsl-verizon.net) joined #forth 10:16:01 --- join: chris__ (~chris@lsanca1-ar42-4-61-178-027.lsanca1.dsl-verizon.net) joined #forth 10:16:21 only on MadTV: an actor doing an impression of an actor doing an impression 10:16:27 --- part: chris__ left #forth 10:20:42 --- join: I440r (~FooBlah@168-215-246-243.gen.twtelecom.net) joined #forth 10:27:32 --- quit: topher (Client Quit) 10:32:12 --- join: O3BEPH (~z@193.201.231.126) joined #forth 10:32:57 hi ! 10:32:58 --- nick: O3BEPH -> Serg 10:33:18 i got some ZX forth, but it err's on :test 2 3 * . ; 10:33:24 --- join: topher (~chris@lsanca1-ar42-4-61-178-027.lsanca1.dsl-verizon.net) joined #forth 10:35:28 Serg: You need to put a space between : and test. :) 10:36:26 sure, i forgot it only here ;))))) 10:37:19 * Serg fires up emulator to give it another try 10:39:39 heh, this time worked 10:39:47 It's my technical support field. 10:40:06 sup kc5tja 10:40:15 * Robert returns from the lake. 10:40:19 * kc5tja will be working on my Kestrel emulator some more today. My goal is to get the video and keyboard functionality working. 10:40:21 i found the error: on PC ':' and ':' are same key 10:40:39 ; and : i mean 10:40:41 You mean : and ; ? 10:40:42 :) 10:41:02 on my emu, ';' is LShift-O 10:41:16 but i err-ly used PC key 10:41:31 * kc5tja nods 10:42:01 putting ':' at end too ;) 10:42:24 radio if you guys care 10:42:48 warpzero: ? 10:43:03 Serg: http://wza.us/radio.html 10:43:24 --- nick: Serg -> Serg[GPRS] 10:43:28 ;) 10:47:07 ZX-FORTH v2.7M: 31006 bytes free 10:47:43 Heh, and here I am looking at Firth of Fifth .ogg file, and it's 16MB in size. :D 10:47:52 s/at/at a/ 10:48:16 (of course, the song is also some 10 minutes long, and has a very wide dynamic range too) 10:48:53 * Serg[GPRS] needs to stomp 17G of music down to 32-mono 10:49:31 i have an 11k .mod file of really beautiful music 10:49:55 hmm...I still haven't quite figured out how to handle audio in the Kestrel yet. 10:51:23 The emulator will almost certainly not have audio support. 10:51:23 i seen many SSTV proggies for ZX on my rarities CD 10:51:27 --- quit: arke (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10:51:31 --- join: arke_ (~Chris@wbar8.lax1-4-11-100-108.dsl-verizon.net) joined #forth 10:51:36 i wonder how do they input audio 10:51:47 Probably some kind of hardware hack that you have to build. 10:51:58 hamcomm ? 10:52:29 Well, SSTV can be deciphered easily by a simple level triggering circuit, because it's frequency modulated. 10:52:49 1200Hz is black, and 2400Hz is white, and everything in between are shades of grey. 10:52:57 1000Hz is the sync pulse, if I'm not mistaken. 10:53:03 i know ;) 10:54:02 when i was on trash comp job, i seen folks hunting old multi-cards ;) 10:54:19 coz they were burning ports like matches 10:55:14 Heh 10:56:09 on some RU IRC, i was kicked for saying "C=a+++b" ;))) 10:56:54 I don't even know if that's legal C, since it can be interpreted in a number of ways. 10:57:08 A++ + B or A + ++B 10:57:27 i tryed on DJGPP - compiles, but forgot result 10:58:20 and this is not the only hole in C syntax 11:02:15 Nope. 11:02:40 what nope ? fails to compile ? 11:03:36 Hole in C syntax I guess. 11:03:38 Ambiguity of English: I was agreeing with your comment that it is not the only syntactical hole in C. 11:04:27 * Serg[GPRS] always agrres by Yes and denies by No 11:07:00 While technically correct, it's still somewhat ambiguous. 11:07:14 I was being idiomatic. 11:07:49 amBUGous 11:07:57 * Serg[GPRS] likes wordplay 11:08:20 --- quit: topher (Remote closed the connection) 11:08:36 --- join: topher (~chris@lsanca1-ar42-4-61-178-027.lsanca1.dsl-verizon.net) joined #forth 11:08:58 (ru, old) 'amba' - totall failure, lossage, crash, death 11:29:48 --- quit: warpzero (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 11:50:56 --- part: slava left #forth 11:57:08 bitwise fileoperation are suck suck 11:57:17 :( 12:00:43 cant handle the confusion. i quit 12:01:36 --- quit: Serg[GPRS] (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 12:05:58 --- nick: arke_ -> arke 12:08:49 --- join: ianp (ian@inpuj.net) joined #forth 12:09:31 * ianp cheers for kc5tja 12:17:28 Hehe :) 12:17:38 * kc5tja is hungry. I will probably get something to eat. 12:18:29 :) 12:18:30 :) 12:27:23 * arke is playing Freeciv 12:35:57 OK, this sucks. 12:36:16 I can't leave the house until the plumbers get back to fix a leak in one of our toilets. GAHH! I'm so hungry!! 12:48:24 :/ 12:48:32 maybe have some tea or something 12:48:50 I've been munching on chocolates all day. 12:49:03 It satisfied my stomach for the most part, but now it's violently protesting. 12:49:11 And I don't want to order pizza -- I just don't have the cash for it. 12:49:37 Sneak into people's gardens and see if you find any fruit. 12:49:50 ordering pizza is so expensive. 12:49:54 i mean, it's dough and tomatoes... 12:50:23 Yeah, but you have to pay for gas too. :) 12:50:27 But I understand completely. 12:52:32 yea 12:52:38 and the ovens etc :P 12:54:13 w00tzors! 12:54:23 Got the testKey.fs code to run again under the new emulator. 12:59:05 :) 12:59:24 * Robert got some tea and a sandwitch 13:00:48 Robert: wrote some more docs? 13:00:50 --- join: Sonarman (~matt@adsl-64-169-94-145.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) joined #forth 13:01:16 arke: No. I'm still thinking about what to do next. 13:01:55 arke: Either I'll continue on F 2, code something for Kestrel, or throw a small system together myself. 13:04:08 --- quit: Sonarman (Client Quit) 13:20:37 --- join: Topaz (~top@exten-halls-131.soton.ac.uk) joined #forth 13:20:45 --- join: Sonarman (~matt@adsl-64-160-165-86.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) joined #forth 13:21:54 Robert: :) 13:28:31 --- quit: Topaz (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 13:33:05 --- nick: topher -> topher|away 13:33:19 --- join: lalalim_ (~lalalim@pD95EA84A.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 13:34:06 --- quit: lalalim (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 13:41:31 --- quit: skylan (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13:44:27 freeciv anyone? 13:46:15 --- join: skylan (~sjh@vickesh01-4831.tbaytel.net) joined #forth 13:47:54 --- nick: lalalim_ -> lalalim 13:52:41 --- join: Topaz (~top@exten-halls-131.soton.ac.uk) joined #forth 13:59:23 --- quit: Topaz (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 14:11:49 arke: Still dead/gayming? 14:11:59 gaming 14:12:06 OK. 14:38:59 --- join: poingie (~chatzilla@user-2inja8r.dialup.mindspring.com) joined #forth 14:39:41 --- join: TheBlueWizard (TheBlueWiz@207.111.96.10) joined #forth 14:39:42 --- mode: ChanServ set +o TheBlueWizard 14:39:54 hiya all 14:40:19 Hi Wizard, and poingie 14:41:01 wow chatzilla flickerzilla = 14:41:33 Use irssi. :) 14:43:49 eh. i'm on win 14:44:24 'sides, i like typeahead find in chat windows 14:46:06 OK, there's xchat for win. :) 14:46:12 yech 14:46:26 there's irssi for win :) 14:46:33 hm 14:46:54 what have you got to say for yourself NOW? :) 14:47:09 Sonarman: Really? Didn't know that 14:47:16 got a q ... is there a forth for win with ffi support? 14:47:24 ffi ? 14:47:43 thinking of doing some SDL stuff. particles and stuff 14:47:58 looking to write a schmup, for kicks 14:48:03 Win32Forth can access functions in DLLs 14:48:12 probably so can SP-Forth 14:48:17 sp-forth? 14:48:31 SDL? 14:48:48 ok, well it turns out the Windows version of irssi requires Cygwin 14:48:51 TheBlueWizard: simple directmedia layer 14:49:05 sort of cross platform directx, much simpler than directx 14:49:44 sp-forth is a Russian forth system, meaning not much English documentation. better goi with Win32Forth :) 14:49:47 /goi/go 14:49:53 heh, good idea 14:50:15 hopefully the sdl parts wont be too painful to port then 14:50:19 re tbw 14:51:17 hopefully i can use forth to just bang straight on the surface 14:51:37 and then just flip pages or resync it on vblank... no idea how with sdl tho 14:51:53 * kc5tja will be working with SDL with gforth under Linux today. 14:52:26 yah i was looking at gforth 14:52:30 ffi doesnt work on win :( 14:52:34 SDL_Flip(SDL_Surface *screen); 14:52:51 kc5tja: SDL allows easy doublebuffering 14:52:52 heh, sounds easy then 14:54:02 arke: I'm not doing any dbl buffering 14:54:26 ok 14:55:41 arke: I'm doing this for my Kestrel emulator. 15:01:06 --- join: Topaz (~top@exten-halls-131.soton.ac.uk) joined #forth 15:01:16 Hi 15:06:59 --- quit: Topaz (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 15:08:45 hi Robert 15:08:58 Boo. 15:09:38 Moo. 15:09:39 .ooM 15:10:20 Ehm, yes. 15:11:00 What would be best, a limited, Forth-primitives-only assembler or a "real" one? I'm starting to think that in the end, the latter option may pay off... 15:12:14 well, just provide common things 15:12:29 MOV, ADD, OR, AND, XOR, IF<, etc. 15:12:34 Yeah, but HOW common? 15:12:52 There's a HUGE amount of addressing combinations, different MOV instructions, etc.. 15:15:14 you could always just steal an assembler :) 15:15:20 Hrm. 15:15:21 like the one from bigForth 15:15:31 I guess I could... "get some inspiration", yes. 15:15:42 it's complete (AFAIK), and portable 15:15:50 kind of portable 15:15:58 Sounds nice. 15:16:04 Thanks for the tip 15:16:39 you'd get floating point instructions for free :-) 15:16:55 dammit. i can't get this CD out of the driv 15:16:56 :D 15:17:06 --- quit: Sonarman ("reboot") 15:22:56 --- join: Sonarman (~matt@adsl-64-160-165-105.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) joined #forth 15:23:57 yay, thank you Debian 15:24:03 you got my CD out of the drive 15:27:47 :) 15:28:10 Robert: Just provide what you need, when you need it. 15:28:49 hey, Debian has gforth 0.6.2 15:28:50 --- join: Topaz (~top@exten-halls-131.soton.ac.uk) joined #forth 15:29:13 it wouldn't build under Gentoo 15:29:36 Sonarman: I got mine to compile from the available sources from the GForth site. 15:30:51 well, i'm on PPC and supposedly it won't build under PPC because of some "long long" bug in gcc 15:31:34 but apparently those clever Debian creatures were able to do it 15:31:35 kc5tja: I just thought that a more general assembler could become handy later, and introduce some more optimization possibilities. 15:31:48 kc5tja: But you're right, that was my initial thought. 15:32:43 kc5tja: is the only difference between VIBE 2.1 and 2.2 that 2.2 uses EMPTY and is loaded on demand? 15:39:07 Sonarman: The "d" command is handled differently too. 15:39:08 --- quit: poingie (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15:39:17 Otherwise, they're the same. 15:39:52 Robert: That's basically what I'm doing with my FTS/Forth and the Kestrel's MachineForth assembler. 15:40:13 Oh man, I'm so happy -- I modeled the abstract state machine for the assembler, and so far as I can tell, I haven't run into any bugs yet either. 15:40:43 In fact, it compiled the testKey code *perfectly*, and it runs exactly as expected (the old code kept crashing the emulator, thus prompting the re-write of the assembler) 15:52:14 kc5tja: awesome 15:53:40 kc5tja: Heh, I'd kill for a chance to write a MachineForth assembler. I'm stuck with i386, and that kind of discourages you... 15:55:17 I could do it the colorful way and just replace every MachineForth primitive with the corresponding x86 instructions. 15:55:42 Would cost me some performance, but I guess I could live with that. 15:55:57 that's what chuck moore did, right? 15:56:21 Like I said, yes. 15:56:36 Heh. My 13 year old sister picked up the OS Design and Implementation book. 15:57:08 oh. colorful. yes 15:58:16 :) 15:58:24 That's what my history teacher told me 15:59:00 "Dear Robert, you're CONSTANTLY INSINUATING EVERYTHING. Your tests are IMPOSSIBLE TO CORRECT. I'll just give you an average grade. Bye." 15:59:16 Er, insinuating maybe isn't the best word here. 16:03:59 OHHH 16:04:11 now i see what i was doing wrong 16:04:16 What? 16:04:27 Robert: That's how it's supposed to be done. (Replace each "MachineForth instruction" with one, two, maybe three x86 instructions) 16:04:38 i thought that create-file leaves an exception # on the stack while write-file doesn't, when it's really vice-versa 16:05:08 Sonarman: They BOTH should. 16:05:34 grr. i just typed forth code into my bash shell 16:05:39 <- going crazy 16:06:03 Sonarman: Well, just think, if you were using scsh, you'd be typing Lisp expressions. (Well, Scheme, but still) 16:06:15 kc5tja: Using a more x86-specific approach I guess you could make it quite a bit faster. But with my poor optimization skills, I'd probably ruin it anyway. :) 16:06:24 kc5tja: :) 16:06:39 kc5tja: oh, you're RIGHT. they BOTH do 16:07:03 thank you kindly 16:07:29 Robert: Hehe. Well, I tried the x86-specific way, and while it does work, I quickly found myself with a TON of basic primitives, just because the x86 has so much capability compared to a basic MISC processor. 16:07:51 So the thing to be aware of when writng an x86 machine forth assembler/compiler is to just watch out for the feature creep. 16:08:02 kc5tja: Hehe, thanks for the advice. :) 16:08:24 My FTS/Forth Cross Compiler (on my web stie) is a good example of some serious feature creep. It WORKS, but it's too complex even for me. 16:08:37 My MachineForth assembler for the FTS1001 can replace it in a heartbeat. 16:08:58 Robert: :) 16:09:05 Sonarman: no problem. :) 16:09:47 OK, back to programming... 16:10:04 Good luck 16:10:29 Thanks. :) 16:16:51 --- quit: Topaz (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 16:46:09 YAY! Got SDL to initialize and quit without segfaulting! 16:46:28 * kc5tja now realizes that GForth isn't nearly as limited as I thought it was. This fflib package is the sweetness. 16:47:15 Oh, nice. 16:47:25 SDL in Forth, that sounds neat. 16:53:26 ack 16:53:31 i just found my bug 16:53:39 it includes the path in the list 16:53:39 lol 16:53:43 er 16:53:45 i meant 16:53:47 it autosorts 16:53:47 lol 16:53:54 can't have it do that 16:54:27 Hrm, what are you writing? 16:54:34 explorer.exe replacement 16:56:30 well, not really 16:56:34 just a filemanager for windows 16:57:07 arke: Well, if you open source it and let it grow, it'll almost certainly evolve into an explorer.exe replacement. 16:57:30 the problem is 16:57:32 its written in jamagic 16:57:37 and nobody has jamagioc 16:57:38 lol 16:57:48 What the heck is jamagic? 16:58:15 this lame scripting language+IDE for super-RAD 16:58:30 Ahh 16:58:35 can it show Printers like explorer.exe does? 16:58:44 i could have it do that lol 16:59:06 lol 16:59:16 its really RAD though --- I've got like 50 lines of code (could be 25-30) and it displays the window already 16:59:27 * kc5tja is happy that GForth can grok other C libraries, and quite easily too. 16:59:39 * arke is away: work 16:59:41 You KNOW that this means that GForth and GCOM will get to know each other quite well. :) 17:01:25 cool...I've been trying to figure that out for age cuz I'd like to be able to get a list of printers for one of my Python scripts at work (so I can pick a printer and print some stuff out) 17:20:40 --- quit: qFox (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 17:25:08 --- join: solar_angel (~jenni@Toronto-HSE-ppp3685160.sympatico.ca) joined #forth 17:26:31 how does count work? 17:28:09 : count ( a -- a n ) dup c@ swap 1+ swap ; 17:28:10 n/m 17:28:12 I think that's it. 17:28:14 yeah it is 17:28:59 does s, take a s" and do that placement? 17:29:20 :( Darcs is broken now. :( 17:29:31 kc5tja: Darcs ? 17:29:41 I upgraded from 0.9.20 to 0.9.21, and now it won't commit any of my changes to the repository. 17:32:50 Hmm.. Just found some old web logs from #forth. 17:33:08 Matched against my first Forth-like compiler - it was done 5 days after I first joined. :D 17:33:42 hehehe 17:33:54 i like this channel. 17:34:10 Yes, so did I. 17:34:21 The people were...different. 17:34:38 Robert: You don't like us anymore? :) 17:34:44 no holier-than-thou high-level-m*sturbationists extolling the virtues of n'th degree seperation from hardware in here :P 17:35:17 kc5tja: I've become a Forther myself, you don't appear like gods anymore. :( 17:35:38 lol Robert 17:36:11 well, we could always start a channel called #forthcpudesign 17:36:16 Heh. I like Fare's answer to "what kind of language is Forth?" 17:36:26 "language cool forth is". 17:36:42 lol @ language cool forth is. 17:37:00 :) 17:37:49 And the first thing I do in here is asking if Forth is like C++ (both high- and low-level). 17:37:49 seriously, a C coder i was talking to today got all defensive when i suggested that FORTH makes OS development faster. 17:38:03