00:00:00 --- log: started forth/04.05.27 00:00:39 I want to come in sync with my advisor. 00:01:16 It isn't good that I can't meet him within his schedule. 00:01:37 See you again. 00:01:44 Bye. 00:01:50 --- quit: ASau () 00:03:58 i now think of quad- and oct- trees to store game (or real ;) world info 00:04:22 :) 00:06:34 * arke goes to sleep 00:50:37 --- quit: Serg () 02:26:32 --- join: Serg (~z@212.34.52.140) joined #forth 02:34:33 Morning 02:34:40 And bye, going to school :) 02:35:22 http://www.newscientist.com/opinion/opinterview.jsp;jsessionid=JGPCDIBKAIML?id=ns24481 02:56:12 JFOAISN? 02:56:16 JOFIEJWTIEAS. 02:56:21 fridge, what is it? 03:13:25 airship 03:18:07 --- join: crc (~Charles_C@0-1pool176-2.nas6.philadelphia1.pa.us.da.qwest.net) joined #forth 03:53:17 --- quit: crc ("ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7b/20040316]") 04:04:11 --- quit: Serg () 04:09:58 a fireball is more like it 04:11:02 qFox: helium doesn't combust 04:11:23 no but it'll burn 04:12:27 i think that was proven quite well 04:12:43 it was? 04:13:32 helium burns doesnt it? 04:13:43 no, it's inert 04:14:07 ehr, oh wait, that was hydrogen 04:14:31 (which, btw, is a completely different name in english, then in dutch) 04:15:44 so helium doesnt burn at all? god has cehmistry been that long 04:18:00 what do you mean? 04:18:04 has been that long 04:18:25 that i cant remember that those gasses are inflameable 04:19:12 ahh 04:19:42 wasnt it with all those .... i dont know the proper term, the gasses in that first collumn 04:19:53 helium, xenon, uh 04:20:01 or was it the last collumn 04:20:10 haha i suck at this :) 04:20:52 argon 04:21:03 I don't remember much either 04:21:10 neon! 04:21:16 there were 5 or 6 04:21:27 whats the english term? 04:21:32 we call them "edelgassen" 04:21:37 noble 04:21:44 right, exact translation 04:21:52 nobel gasses, I think they were called 04:22:06 noble gas, even 04:22:08 yes sounds correct, thats what edelgassen means 04:30:36 Ädelgas in Swedish. Mmmmmmm.... radon. 05:05:19 --- join: warpzero (~warpzero@dsl.142.mt.onewest.net) joined #forth 05:20:36 Damn it, spam to my new address. 05:20:56 "Buy Soma from us", wtf? Someone read Brave New World too many times 05:27:04 wtf is soma? 05:27:21 its the drug in bnw, but what is it the spammers are selling 05:31:43 Something to reduce muscle spasms, they say 05:32:06 "Subject: bored with life. Buy some Soma " 05:32:14 Got to be a joke... 05:32:20 ahaha 05:32:21 Or can people really be that stupid? 05:43:38 --- join: Serg (~z@212.34.52.140) joined #forth 05:43:57 Privet 05:44:37 hi 05:45:52 * Serg caught a damn cold, eating pills like a pig - acorns 05:47:07 :( 05:47:19 my nose is like a hose, my throat is like a sandpaper 05:47:38 Fun.. 05:47:51 like a FIREhose ;) 05:51:59 hello INTJs 05:52:30 * mur recalls that INTJ's always add new things to should-know list but never remove any :) 05:55:10 oops, funny glitch... transparent icons from hangen drag-n-drop over MIRC ;) 05:55:57 i just bought GeForce 4 Ti 64 Mb, 4ns memory 05:56:28 my GF 2 Pro fried ;( 05:56:52 * fridge says nothing to the INTP's 05:56:53 girlfriend pro! 05:57:04 fridge, what were you? 05:57:07 yeah ;)))) 05:57:19 intp, I recall 05:57:28 --- quit: warpzero (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 05:57:33 i wasn't sure if it was INTP or ES.. 05:57:44 what the damn ASM mnemonic nicks ? 05:57:48 someone was ES.. something 05:57:54 no 05:57:57 personality test :D 05:58:06 done it? 05:58:20 http://209.15.29.56/myersbriggs/personhome.htm 05:58:22 no, i dislike tests - they suck 05:58:23 this for instance 05:58:41 heheh 05:58:41 this is quite widely used.. well umm the 4 character thingy 05:58:58 Serg, please do the test, torture your self, 72 questions! 05:59:00 Serg: I wonder if that has its own personality type 05:59:10 serg is SERG 05:59:12 RTDPT 05:59:15 on IQ, i kick 147 out of 150 - but i am no Linus neither Bill ;)) 05:59:27 refuses to do personality tests 05:59:39 Serg, how much is that in score and what diversity? 05:59:49 I don't like IQ tests 05:59:58 mur: ?? 06:00:10 what did you get from IQ test 06:00:21 i dont know statistics how many people and why on earth 150 people 06:00:22 147 out of 150 06:00:25 it's quite irregular 06:00:26 umm 06:00:35 doesnt' make sense :P sorry 06:00:44 well 06:00:46 iq doenst matter 06:00:57 * mur got enough of it but he uses it to all wrong things 06:01:02 hmm... what numbers you used to ? what is "average" ? 06:01:06 100 06:01:13 is average 06:01:21 with scale used in finland 80 is retarded people 06:01:24 --- join: arke_ (~Chris@wbar8.lax1-4-11-100-108.dsl-verizon.net) joined #forth 06:01:25 and so 06:01:32 i got myself 147 or such from it 06:01:43 the 2 numbers are _all_ i know of IQ tests ;)) 06:01:57 so, 147 seems to be average for geeks ;)))) 06:02:14 http://209.15.29.56/myersbriggs/personhome.htm < Serg please try 06:02:30 out of population less than 1% are INTJ and here we have them umm.. 6? 06:03:08 what are most people? 06:03:49 extroverts 06:03:58 15% of people are introverts 06:04:01 no 06:04:02 wait 06:04:04 wrong 06:04:14 15% of people are inituative by personality 06:04:29 85% are sensing 06:04:50 extrovert sensing people make more than 50 % of all people 06:05:16 introvert sensing make 30% of people 06:05:38 extrovert inituiitives make 10% 06:05:49 and introvert inituetives make roughly 5% 06:06:10 bleh, no M(aybe) option ;(( 06:06:14 5% is lost in conversation 06:08:09 dammit, i'm too lazy, and on some Q i'm in between or have special opinion 06:09:10 unsure about personality? ;) 06:10:32 yeah, some Q are dumb 06:10:44 which ones? 06:10:59 i closed it and forgot 06:11:32 and to many, answer is "neither" or "both" 06:11:57 like, "am i more listener or a speaker ?" 06:12:56 i can make colleagues ROFL or bring the technikal details to a stupid person in easy words 06:13:15 umm 06:13:19 it means that 06:13:35 do you rather want to listen or speak e..g in telephone where you can't speak over other 06:13:59 i am trained to do well 2-way comm ;)) 06:14:08 would you rather listen to an idiot or a genius? 06:14:17 i am Dianetics auditor ;)) 06:14:20 I'd rather speak to an idiot 06:14:24 and tell him to shut up 06:14:27 =P 06:14:32 i'd rather listen to a genius ;)) 06:15:03 i'd rather not speak at all 06:15:09 one question is not that radical 06:15:27 you can't fail in personality test 06:16:05 i can listen to anyone, make him shut up by overwhelming ACK!!! or ask anything out of him by delicate ping-pong of attention 06:16:56 not to a degree of superman, though ^)) 06:17:12 --- join: koft (lololol@dialup-4.153.38.150.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net) joined #forth 06:17:49 mur: i am not afraid of "failing", i want answer "both", "neither" or "middle", but options are only Y and N 06:17:51 --- quit: arke (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06:18:24 --- join: warpzero (~warpzero@dsl.142.mt.onewest.net) joined #forth 06:18:28 * Serg reboots 06:18:30 --- quit: Serg () 06:25:11 --- join: Serg (~z@212.34.52.140) joined #forth 06:25:16 re 06:25:52 * Serg screws w/ W2K_as and sql2k 06:26:44 :P 06:26:50 i'm eager to test my spring-piston rifle w/ scope ;)) 06:27:12 crows must die ! 06:27:37 no! 06:27:43 shoot yourself to feet rather 06:27:43 why ? 06:28:28 here war is declared to those vermins, as well as rats, wolves and jackals ;)) 06:29:06 well it's savage land anyways 06:29:18 savage ? 06:29:55 not respecting neither animals nor others 06:30:11 ;)) 06:31:28 imagine you are a peasant who's cattle is slain by wolves 06:31:48 no food store arownd in 500km of frozen wasteland 06:33:40 i know one girl who knows ;)) the hunters what fight wolves round year, men at war, mercenaries 06:34:03 so "savage" is delicately said ;)) 06:36:38 i wouldnt have cattle 06:36:41 duh i'm vegetarian! 06:37:34 If god didn't want me to eat meat, he wouldn't have made it so yummy 06:37:52 there is no god to me 06:38:11 and human meat is also tasting like chicken i heard, yet no people eat it 06:38:27 --- quit: koft (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 06:38:46 I'd give it a go 06:39:23 I want to try dog 06:41:00 here people really hate Vietnamise workers for eating their beloved dogs 06:41:46 I don't see how it is any different to eating a chicken 06:41:52 or eating a pig 06:42:06 uh 06:42:14 is it the vietnamise worker's dogs 06:42:17 or the people's dogs 06:43:01 --- join: I440r (~FooBlah@168-215-246-244.gen.twtelecom.net) joined #forth 06:43:17 yes, well poaching animals is wrong 06:43:30 warpzero: any dog in street 06:43:39 lol 06:43:42 thats awesome 06:43:48 womit-some 06:44:04 killing is always the most wrong thing to do 06:44:12 not unless its dear fluffy 06:44:15 only worser it to kill and not utilise the corpse 06:44:21 it = is 06:44:37 mur: how many vermins u kill then brushing teeth ? 06:45:13 mur: cockroaches ? mice ? 06:45:39 i can't do much to bacteria but i avoid killing them too 06:46:08 usually cockroaches and mice state that people have been wrong 06:46:16 it's ignorant to start eliminating them 06:46:24 because people have made themselves mistake 06:46:28 bad elements of house 06:46:31 wrong place 06:46:34 food available 06:46:37 for instance 06:46:49 it's so masculine to think so brutally 06:47:08 yet short term actions dont do anything to the actual resons 06:47:14 here we have foul, filthy neighbours - their vermins take us by storm 06:47:14 so it's rather waste of time -- and life 06:47:29 do something to your neighbour instead 06:48:00 or do you only want to fight against the enemy that is easier? 06:48:19 mur: they hell no want to listen, drunk aggressive dropouts on wellfare 06:48:43 talk is not only method 06:48:54 talk is only little part of interhuman communications 06:49:03 praise God, no drug addicts - too xpensive for them 06:49:57 mur: the other part is 12-gauge cannon ;)))) 06:50:17 well if you feel such powerless 06:50:36 i can't do anything to help you have more strength with humans 06:52:08 hmm, i have adequate strength w/ normal people, not the drunken rats who can only make mischief quietly or stab in back 06:52:41 example: 06:53:54 my phone line is like drug addict's vein, cut'n'twisted all the way. Why ? 06:54:20 because capitalists produce such lines so they go in smaller space 06:54:31 and are flexible enough to go fruther 06:54:34 further 06:54:42 'revenge for revenge for revenge' between too vermin familys of whores and frauds 06:55:02 revenge will never produce anything but revenge 06:55:07 they 'make harm' to each other for some scandals ;)))) 06:55:23 you are little proud of them but afraid 06:55:28 perhaps you shoud go talk to them 06:55:43 take a bottle of vodka with you 06:55:49 and go talk when they are not really drunken 06:55:57 ha-ha-ha ;))) 06:57:10 you just proved my sentence correct 06:57:14 --- nick: arke_ -> arke 06:57:22 terve arke 06:57:23 how's going 06:57:24 ? 06:57:38 terve mur 06:57:40 going to school soon 06:57:45 what's the time ther? 06:58:14 almost 7am 06:58:19 oh 06:58:24 i never do irc in the morning 06:59:42 mur: the trubble is invisible to anyone foreign and sane, if u want i may talk about it 07:00:04 it just requires own kind of approach 07:00:14 but it smells like shit, as anything related to droputs 07:00:44 i myseelf like to compare myself to others and think what they are thinking 07:00:53 not judging solely on what i see, or smell be it 07:02:46 Robert: Didn't get far, as I fell asleep soon --- I started coding some of the primitives 07:04:59 Robert: EAX Top of Stack EBX A ECX I EDX W ESI Stack EDI Dictionary EBP Display (later) ESP Rstack 07:08:01 Robert: gotta go to school, I'll be back in about 8-9 hours. 07:08:12 k 07:30:30 Hi 07:30:34 And bye.. 07:35:51 --- quit: Serg () 07:52:52 --- quit: tgunr (Excess Flood) 07:54:42 --- join: tgunr (~davec@vsat-148-63-4-106.c001.g4.mrt.starband.net) joined #forth 07:59:32 --- join: koft (lololol@dialup-4.152.27.166.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net) joined #forth 08:01:49 Hi koft 08:01:56 Been here before? 08:25:22 --- join: mark4 (~FooBlah@64.47.44.254) joined #forth 08:31:59 koft was here the other day :) 08:32:06 --- nick: mark4 -> I440r_ 08:33:35 Ah, OK 08:33:37 Hi 08:33:46 and yes he is a forth coder :P 08:37:28 you finish that resolver or what :P 08:37:53 Uhm... no :) 08:38:57 well snap to it 08:39:02 im timing you! 08:42:12 --- quit: I440r (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08:43:03 Bah 09:15:39 --- join: AshyIsMe (~ashy@smm-103-145-219-137.tvlres.jcu.edu.au) joined #forth 09:15:54 --- part: AshyIsMe left #forth 09:35:40 --- join: AshyIsMe (~ashy@smm-103-145-219-137.tvlres.jcu.edu.au) joined #forth 09:44:31 --- join: proteusguy (~proteusgu@69.79.24.31) joined #forth 09:54:50 --- join: MrReach (~spam@209.181.43.190) joined #forth 09:54:50 --- mode: ChanServ set +o MrReach 09:55:26 hihi, greetings, all that stuff 09:58:38 --- quit: AshyIsMe ("i need sleep") 09:58:53 --- join: mark4 (~FooBlah@168-215-246-244.gen.twtelecom.net) joined #forth 10:00:13 --- nick: mark4 -> I440r 10:00:55 --- join: ashy (~ashy@smm-103-145-219-137.tvlres.jcu.edu.au) joined #forth 10:01:49 --- quit: ashy (Client Quit) 10:01:57 --- join: AshyIsMe (~ashy@smm-103-145-219-137.tvlres.jcu.edu.au) joined #forth 10:02:24 heya, I440r 10:02:31 --- quit: AshyIsMe (Client Quit) 10:05:01 --- quit: I440r_ (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 10:10:31 I440r: you a gentoo user now? 10:26:04 yes 10:26:23 i abandoned debian. not because debian is bad but because of the attitude of the users 10:26:32 q ":how do i..." 10:26:38 a"RTFM" 10:27:06 where as gentoo has some of the best documentation ive seen in ANY linux distro and the people are always ready to answer any questions you might have 10:27:07 I couldn't get it running here 10:27:13 what machine ? 10:27:31 and did you do a stage 1 or a stage 3 10:27:43 k6-2/400/128MB/80GB EIDE 10:28:06 started with 2, then 3 10:28:10 do a stage 1 10:28:19 and follow the guide to the letter :) 10:28:23 I don't have a week to spare 10:28:27 aha 10:28:36 use distcc 10:28:39 and ccache 10:31:15 what are those??? 10:31:27 I've got a spare drive I can play with 10:32:08 distcc is the distributed c compiler 10:32:29 you run it on multiple machines and when you do a compile on one ALL machines share the compile job 10:32:39 oooh, cool ... I was thinking about that a couple of weeks ago ... when did it come online? 10:32:47 ccache probably gives you more of a performance improvement though 10:33:06 it caches the compiles so you dont have to keep compiling foo.h over and over and over and over and over..... 10:33:28 is that a net-wide compile farm? 10:33:29 ive been using distcc for a while now heh 10:33:34 no but it could be 10:33:41 usually you use local machines 10:33:47 google for distcc :) 10:34:07 ok, I've only got the one linux machine, so of limited use 10:34:27 ok well ccache is more of a speedup anyway :) 10:34:33 THAT is some serious shit :) 10:34:46 http://ccache.samba.org/ 10:34:55 * MrReach ponders if gentoo is worth the effort of trying again 10:35:29 ccache gives you a 5 to 10 times speedup 10:35:32 I'm using Mandrake right now 10:35:41 * MrReach jots "ccache" 10:36:50 I440r: you working now? 10:37:18 yup :) 10:37:22 and no :/ 10:37:30 im at work but im waiting on someone in california 10:37:42 oh, cool 10:37:48 what type of work are you doing? 10:38:10 we make access control stuff 10:38:21 oh, that's right 10:38:30 I remember you telling me that some weeks ago 10:38:31 you present your security badge to a gizmo on the wall and it decides if you get to go through the door or not :) 10:39:44 I was looking at the Ultima online site last night ... and thinking about futhin 10:40:44 yea 10:41:02 i definatly want to develop a multi user game with isforth eventually! 10:41:11 but there are some issues to resolve first :/ 10:41:18 oh? 10:42:11 reentrancy within the kernel 10:42:15 might be a problem 10:42:18 might not 10:42:41 oh, yeah ... need to use a C type model for local storage 10:42:41 i can make a special version of the compiler that compiles the memory manager early and uses that throughout - so reentrancy will be easier 10:43:02 and a distinct API to shared variable areas 10:43:08 definatly 10:43:25 i was planning on having each user sealed into their respective voabularies 10:43:32 normal users would be in the user vocab 10:43:39 imms would be in the immortal vocab 10:43:51 and developers would have ALL vocabularies available to them 10:44:05 immagine being able to emtpy 10:44:08 fload game.f 10:44:14 while people were still connected lol 10:44:29 : blah do some neat game shit here ; 10:44:44 i'm not sure i'd let users have even that much access (or that low-level, rather) 10:45:04 yep, I was thinking exactly that ... runtime loadable modules 10:45:05 they would be sealed into the users vocabulary 10:45:25 i.e. they would have : look ... ; : get ... ; etc 10:45:26 right, they couldn't hurt the system, but will invariably kill their own stack 10:45:34 no 10:45:53 if that were possible then the player words would need to be fixed 10:46:08 they wouldnt be allowed to put numbers on the stack 10:46:11 they would have "drop" etc? 10:46:16 no 10:46:18 ah! ok 10:46:29 those are system words - they wouldnt have access to them 10:46:37 just a method for enumerating user commands? 10:46:40 yup 10:46:41 Hi MrReach 10:47:00 go code that resolver dammit :) 10:47:00 ok, that's fine, though any number of methods could be used 10:47:13 :) 10:47:16 greets, Robert 10:47:20 I440r: Hey, I give that task back to you. It's boring, hard etc. :P 10:47:35 what are you resolving? 10:48:38 most of the work would be in the graphics engine, in any case, for an ultima type game 10:48:41 dns :P 10:48:48 i dont want gfx 10:49:03 the more you leave to the users immagination the better 10:49:20 people are paying *VERY* good money for their monthly Ultima subscriptions 10:49:57 I want some'o'that 10:51:21 well the ultima games had a HUGE following dating back tot eh 80's 10:51:27 you cant match that with a new game 10:51:32 you have to build up a reputation 10:51:36 yep 10:51:53 which means a tierd pricing structure, starting at free 10:52:06 (teird?) 10:52:07 having played every ultima game from 1 through 7 plus underworld etc im a big fan 10:52:11 but i wont play th eonline game 10:52:20 oh? why is that? 10:52:32 because no game is worth that much 10:52:38 heh 10:52:46 what's the shelf price for the software? 10:52:57 no. you dont just buy the software 10:52:59 oh, and the fact that it's winblow$ only 10:53:03 you pay for your online time too 10:53:08 yep, I know 10:53:11 you pay a subscription fee 10:53:14 FUCK that 10:53:21 i dont care if its $5 a year 10:53:22 but you pay like $30 for the boxed software? 10:53:34 no idea 10:53:45 that's what I was saying ... lots of people *DO* pay it 10:53:53 all i know is that the game industry is a bunch of assholes 10:54:02 like quake 3 was $50 when it was released 10:54:06 its worth $15 10:54:31 if they are going to charge for subscriptions the game should be available for free 10:55:15 agreed, but need to cover distro costs 10:55:39 which I would guess to be $10-$15 10:55:57 $20 if you get a nice color manual 10:56:13 software manuals are so funny 10:56:52 lol 10:57:16 there are still parts of isforth that need to be developed before this could ever be done 10:57:21 like that resolver (cough cough) 10:57:45 that's an odd prerequisite 10:58:00 why 10:58:01 that's the last thing i'd have been thinking of 10:58:20 the assembler and meta-compier are higher up on the critical todo list 10:58:40 but the assembler will have to be coded by me for sure 10:58:46 why wouldn't you just use Bind??? 10:58:54 err no 10:58:59 dns isnt that difficult 10:59:13 and i wont be relying on ANY external libs at all 11:00:03 god, talk about shooting yourself in the foot 11:00:22 no wonder you don't want graphix 11:00:34 that would be a total nightmare 11:01:36 no 11:01:50 the gfx are also not that difficult 11:02:03 not with libs 11:02:18 ? 11:02:23 but coding for the various card-specific optimizations is a huge project 11:02:32 --- quit: warpzero ("Tried to warn you about Chino and Daddy Gee, but I can't seem to get to you through the U.S. Mail.") 11:02:41 that's why OpenGL and other libs are real saviours 11:03:02 I guess libQt is the one used most on XFree ?? 11:03:21 libqt is like an x wigit crap 11:03:32 like gtk but gtk is good :P 11:03:53 ok, not sure where the functionality lies in XFree 11:04:17 me either yet :) 11:04:35 but the difficulty in supporting all gfx platforms is not why i dont want gfx 11:04:55