00:00:00 --- log: started forth/04.05.04 00:00:51 the yaler's must be quite proud to have both of the candidates their members.. 00:01:02 I lived in meriden CT for 2.3 years about a year ago 00:01:32 presidential candidates? 00:01:39 y 00:02:05 I doubt it 00:02:32 why that? 00:03:11 bush is the biggest fuckup ever 00:04:23 I don't know about at yale, but here (2 hours drive north) in Northampton MA the general feeling seems to be that we should impeach bush 00:04:57 heh 00:05:07 I see bumber stickers regularly to that effect 00:05:27 when it was about to impeach Eltsin, people said:... 00:05:53 I have not heard anybody here talk in favor of bush 00:06:03 'impeachment' = 'kirpichment', 'kirpich' is the brisk 00:06:07 or even defend him on any point 00:06:12 so, brick-ment, yeah ? 00:06:52 brick him out ! 00:10:41 i've seen that page carryisadouchebag, but actually that doesn't convince me 00:11:19 there's this saying, from bad to worse.. 00:12:01 and yes, it always can get worse 00:15:15 smarter cousins are even more dangerous 00:16:02 the attitude of the family stays the same, as we have seen 00:16:24 IMHO the root of evil is 'abrahamic' religion, judaism/xian/muslim 00:16:46 just read Deuteronomy, 13 or Apocalypse 00:17:24 all who are 'wrong' end up in burning sulfur lake - exact what Bush does 00:18:15 it gotta be banned for hate propaganda 00:19:04 serg: bush ends up having a fat bank account, no? 00:19:17 yes ! 00:19:41 hey guys 00:20:15 morning warpzero 00:20:33 i have a problem 00:20:36 a forth problem 00:20:40 that i would like some help with 00:21:22 * Serg not coded a while butt will try to help ;)) 00:21:38 warpzero: don't ask to ask, just ask ;-) 00:22:24 warpzero: and yes, 'nuff OT 00:22:26 i need a way of running forth code "safely" 00:22:38 so that i can make a forth irc bot 00:23:12 so run entire forth safely - chroot, restrictive rights... 00:23:24 well i need to turn off stuff like system calls 00:23:40 1st guess would be 4th, it adds some "safety" 00:24:16 just mangle dict structure so dangerous words won't be FINDed 00:24:32 but then, it's not real forth anymore 00:25:05 define set of words available in bot, then cut off chainlink below it 00:25:21 but be aware of things like buffer overrun 00:26:00 no i mean this needs to be /totally/ safe somehow 00:26:30 java ? 00:26:56 totally safe is wooden condom only ;) 00:26:57 yeah i need some forth implementation thats emulated enough 00:27:12 i don't know i've seen totally safe tcl and perl bots 00:27:34 so seek for forth in java, and put all monkeys on head of another man 00:30:13 forth in java is not that ready yet 00:30:54 so what should i do 00:31:36 warpzero: have you been playing w/ sockets already? 00:31:48 ? 00:32:06 no i'll just run it from an irssi 00:33:33 ic 00:34:04 hmm played w/ 4th yet? 00:34:59 no... link? 00:36:49 http://www.xs4all.nl/~thebeez/4tH/ 00:38:44 is there some way to run a process and disallow syscalls? 00:39:26 it'll be blind zomby 00:39:33 no I/O, no even exit 00:39:41 yeah thats a good thing 00:40:08 i say NO i/o, no cmmunication at all, so no bot ;) 00:40:24 Morning 00:40:46 hi 00:41:02 :) 00:41:04 * Serg blows flies and bees outta head ;) 00:41:23 hmm do you think there would be some way to run it on a virual cpu or something? 00:42:03 i say, write app from utter scratch and filter input hard ;) 00:42:28 lol too much work :( 00:42:41 so just 2 - filter hard 00:43:04 okay 00:43:15 but if irssi between u and net - u gonna be craked via possible holez in IRC client 00:43:40 nah irssi is okay 00:43:50 if something between net and your filters - u gonna be hached via holez in that something 00:44:09 but how do i filter out forth that will let people get out to glibc? 00:44:13 cpu, sure, why not, but isn't that a bit overkill? 00:44:26 mod|alpha: no because then they can do whatever they want... 00:44:43 IMHO Linux TCP stack is much OK'er than irssi and forths ;) 00:45:35 take some source forth and add heavily filtered IRC words working rite at OS level, buffer-proof etc 00:47:50 nah its much better if a real irc client just talks to the forth 00:51:31 i think that 4tH may be the solution 01:02:32 warpzero: if you like to share your experiences or conclusions, you're welcome.. ;-) 01:02:59 --- part: Serg left #forth 01:03:34 mod|alpha: it looks to me like 4th doesn't have much in the way that can zing me... 01:04:53 that's a design goal, yes 01:06:06 it doesnt look like it has a syscall facility at all 01:06:12 no way to run exec() etc. 01:08:05 --- quit: Herkamire ("off to bed") 01:47:19 --- join: knoppix_ (~knoppix@193.201.231.126) joined #forth 01:47:28 re 01:47:36 where to ask on MP3 ? 01:47:56 either #mp3 and #music are empty... 01:48:15 i am Serg but ghosting trubble... 01:55:35 i see even no appropriate newsgroup ;( 02:15:16 --- quit: knoppix_ ("Leaving") 03:18:09 --- join: scope_ (~junk@njd.paradise.net.nz) joined #forth 03:26:41 --- quit: scope (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 03:32:39 --- join: qFox (C00K13S@cp12172-a.roose1.nb.home.nl) joined #forth 03:40:22 wb qfox 03:40:29 ty :) 03:40:51 :-) 03:41:20 how's your day? 03:41:27 i just woke up 03:41:31 so.. 03:41:32 short 03:41:34 i guess 03:50:41 ja maar dat staat er niet bij ;) 04:01:28 whoa 04:01:30 ik heb 500k 04:01:35 whii 04:01:37 :) 04:01:44 oh wacht 04:01:52 neuh ik zit mp3 van mn server te draaien :D 04:05:48 hm 04:05:53 wrong chan, heh 06:16:32 --- join: madwork_ (~madgarden@derby.metrics.com) joined #forth 07:15:08 --- join: proteusguy (~proteusgu@69.79.24.31) joined #forth 07:44:50 --- quit: SDO (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 07:48:54 --- join: fridge (~hovil@CommSecureAustPtyLtd.sb1.optus.net.au) joined #forth 08:46:04 --- quit: cmeme (Operation timed out) 09:52:09 --- join: cmeme (~cmeme@216.184.11.30.unused.swcp.com) joined #forth 10:44:30 --- join: Herkamire (stjohns@h000094d30ba2.ne.client2.attbi.com) joined #forth 11:08:22 --- join: SDO (~SDO@co-trinidad1a-156.clspco.adelphia.net) joined #forth 12:11:16 --- quit: proteusguy (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12:11:49 --- join: proteusguy (~proteusgu@69.79.24.31) joined #forth 12:12:16 --- join: wossname (wossname@HSE-MTL-ppp61972.qc.sympatico.ca) joined #forth 12:25:52 --- quit: SDO (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12:39:15 i hate java 12:40:10 hm 12:40:15 how do you pronounce java in english 12:40:42 uh 12:41:06 the dutch pronuncionation is very different 12:41:09 the a sound like in mark 12:41:17 soft a 12:41:21 on both as 12:41:32 hm, but with a "dj" sound for the j? 12:41:40 no 12:41:48 just a j sound like in joseph 12:42:00 they come in both versions 12:42:00 :) 12:43:22 uh 12:43:27 how can i describe it 12:43:33 well its kinda funny from my point of view, to listen to the way some words are pronounced in english 12:43:37 soft j, soft a, soft v, soft a 12:43:59 then it must not sound english? 12:44:08 i mean... hm how do i explain 12:44:35 do you know how the word "jaw" is pronounced in english 12:45:00 yes 12:45:04 with a "dj" sound 12:45:33 no not with a dj sound 12:45:44 see, in dutch, our J is a "Real" soft j, with no d sound 12:45:51 like h sound? 12:45:57 yes 12:46:02 well 12:46:05 its like halfway between h and dj 12:46:07 compared 12:46:13 well 12:46:17 say D.J. 12:46:27 you say "D.DJEE" 12:46:34 DEE JAY 12:46:44 nono, what do you SAY, the sounds 12:46:51 that is what isay 12:46:56 doesnt the j SOUND like a djee ? 12:46:59 JAHH-vuh 12:47:06 yeah 12:47:08 herk's got it 12:47:28 i dont think i'll ever get my message thru over irc :) 12:47:39 its like that dutch U discussion a few weeks ago 12:49:31 i would call you and tell you but you live in the netherlands probably or something 12:49:39 javascript:popWin('/cgi-bin/audio.pl?java0002.wav=java') 12:49:44 oops 12:49:47 stupid javascript 12:49:56 http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=java&x=0&y=0 12:51:12 click the little red speaker icon 12:51:16 that's pretty close 12:51:35 except I think most people do a softer a for the first one 12:51:41 yeah 12:52:03 they have an a like in "jab" 12:52:41 no 12:52:46 like in jaw 12:52:59 it's ussually like in ahhhh 12:53:11 yeah 12:53:23 not AAAAAAAAA! 12:53:48 that's a matter of where you live though I guess 12:54:13 m-w sounds like someone from Boston or Michigan or something 12:54:27 whatever 12:54:29 close enough 13:00:37 --- join: tathi (~josh@pcp02123722pcs.milfrd01.pa.comcast.net) joined #forth 13:20:36 tick-a-tick-a-tick 13:24:05 * mod|alpha beta gamma 13:24:22 * mod|alpha greets 13:25:46 hey mod|alpha how do i get 4th to load its ans library? 13:25:47 warpzero: why do you hate java actually? tztz 13:26:27 * mod|alpha passes on that q 13:26:45 non uniform use of variables/objects 13:26:54 primitive types just mess java up 13:27:29 4th ans lib, sorry, dunno 13:27:48 if it handled primitives the same as it did anything else it would be 100x better 13:27:58 if it had operator overloading it would be 100x better 13:28:42 warpzero: how much java experience have you gathered up to now? 13:28:59 alot 13:29:11 btw no op overloading is a design feature.. 13:29:14 tens of thousands of hours 13:29:21 its a design "feature" 13:29:48 just because somethign is a design feature 13:29:51 does not mean its a good one 13:30:19 yes, sometimes only time will tell 13:30:26 or not ;-) 13:31:36 after how much of those 10.000+ hrs have you found out that you *hate* java? 13:36:51 --- join: SDO (~SDO@co-trinidad1a-156.clspco.adelphia.net) joined #forth 13:41:49 like 2 13:41:50 anyway 13:41:54 my unicomp just came 13:41:56 and dayam 13:54:44 --- quit: mod|alpha (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14:04:46 --- quit: fridge (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 14:06:07 --- join: fridge (~hovil@CommSecureAustPtyLtd.sb1.optus.net.au) joined #forth 14:14:04 2 lol :) 14:14:27 I don't think it took me that long :) 14:15:10 but I've never put in many hours to find more specific reasons to hate it 14:18:22 --- join: lalalim (~lalalim@p508ABAD7.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 14:41:17 --- quit: wossname (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14:41:33 --- join: randolm (wossname@HSE-MTL-ppp61972.qc.sympatico.ca) joined #forth 14:43:00 --- nick: randolm -> wossname 14:50:15 --- quit: OrngeTide ("Ping timeout: 86400 seconds") 15:00:14 --- quit: proteusguy ("Leaving") 15:17:46 --- quit: fridge ("Leaving") 15:21:38 --- quit: wossname ("omg") 15:29:33 --- quit: qFox ("this is mirc's last attempt of communication...") 15:42:55 --- join: Sonarman (~matt@adsl-64-160-164-2.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) joined #forth 15:44:14 --- join: kc5tja (~kc5tja@66-74-218-202.san.rr.com) joined #forth 15:44:41 --- mode: ChanServ set +o kc5tja 16:01:28 --- quit: tathi ("leaving") 16:09:31 --- quit: kc5tja ("Lost terminal") 16:09:41 --- join: kc5tja (~kc5tja@66-74-218-202.san.rr.com) joined #forth 16:09:48 --- mode: ChanServ set +o kc5tja 17:51:00 --- join: blockhead (default@dialin-371-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net) joined #forth 18:00:52 --- quit: SDO (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18:19:54 --- join: default_ (default@dialin-558-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net) joined #forth 18:19:55 --- quit: blockhead (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 18:20:09 --- nick: default_ -> blockhead 18:21:03 --- join: mod|alpha (~test123@pD95451A4.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 18:21:09 --- quit: mod|alpha (Client Quit) 18:21:10 --- join: mod|alpha (~test123@pD95451A4.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 18:21:10 --- quit: mod|alpha (Client Quit) 18:34:48 who is mod|alpha 18:47:34 i don't know 18:47:36 a forther 18:47:43 sup I440r 18:54:14 looking for an editor thats worth using in linux 18:54:16 there arent any 18:54:20 not a FUCKING SINGLE ONE 18:54:39 Scite? 18:55:52 you dont like emacs or vi*? 18:57:22 I440r said "editor" .. that would rule out vi :) 18:59:36 codewright 18:59:51 uh how about nedit 18:59:53 i like nedit 19:00:14 nope. run nedit, open the file selector. try selecting more than ONE file 19:05:03 blockhead: Umm...sorry? 19:05:20 blockhead: For the record, I use vi (well, vim) almost exclusively for all my editing needs. 19:05:47 vi + ctags FAR superior to other editing environments. 19:06:13 kc5tja: sorry. vi is not a text editor. :) 19:06:16 I do find emacs to be acceptable, but vi(m) is still nice and fast. 19:06:26 You're full of shit and you kno wit. 19:06:29 know it. 19:06:33 :D 19:06:54 If it's not a text editor, than explain to me how I'm able to edit text files with it. Gee. 19:06:59 Forgive me for being in a pissy mood. 19:07:00 It's hot. 19:07:08 I'm effectively unemployed. 19:07:12 Is there some cheap and dirty way to detect if the paths of two moving balls of differing radius intersect? 19:07:23 And I strongly detest the dissemination of disinformation. 19:08:06 It doesn't help that *I* got reprimanded at work today because I was the one who was on the receiving end of bullshit mis-accusations from other employees. 19:08:59 madgarden: Use parametric equations for the paths, with t = time as the independent variable. Then set one set of equations equal to the other. If they intersect, there will be at least one solution. 19:10:23 kc5tja: man, you oughta be workign for like a think tank or something 19:11:04 Think tanks require doctorate-level degrees at the least to get into. 19:11:07 Hmm. Should I be calculating for the circle centers? 19:11:13 I can't even pass Calc-II. 19:11:19 madgarden: ? 19:11:28 kc5tja: ! 19:11:55 The balls... circles... 19:12:10 madgarden: You don't already know the centers about which they revolve? 19:12:41 If not, then no, there is no formulaic way to determine whether they intersect. 19:12:51 I was assuming you already had the center points of each orbit. 19:13:53 hey anyone want to give me a soldering top 19:13:54 tip 19:14:30 warpzero: Use a wet sponge to periodically cool down the tip of a soldering iron if you lack temperature control. This prevents overheating the tip. 19:14:31 Yes, of course. I mean, I need to calculate at least 2 lines for each circle edge (distance traveled between time ticks), and see if they intersect. with each other. 19:14:50 kc5tja, you should write and/or narrate documentaries. 19:15:25 2nd that 19:15:39 No, I apparently need to seek professional help. 19:15:59 Why so? ESFJ's giving you a hard time? 19:16:07 They always do... fuckers! 19:16:07 I see no compelling evidence to suggest that life is even remotely worth living. 19:16:09 kc5tja: okay I have this pcb with one of those metal-boxed connectors on it 19:16:26 kc5tja: the kind that motherboards use for the atx ports, etc. 19:16:40 okay 19:16:44 What kind of connector? 19:16:51 ps/2 19:16:53 Ok. 19:17:16 how do i remove it while not harming the pcb and not ruining the solder points [so i can solder directly on it] 19:17:17 madgarden: No. I mean that I do not enjoy life. Life is worthless to me now. 19:18:11 Most motherboards consist of many different layers, so desoldering it in a traditional method won't work. 19:18:22 (it's too hard to get the solder wicked out of the interior layers). 19:18:23 well this isn't a motherboard? 19:18:44 What you probably would need is a heat gun, and just spot-heat that section of the mobo until the part just falls off, or comes off easily with pliers. 19:19:01 its a little ps/2 mouse&kbd -> usb thinger 19:19:08 Then I don't know. 19:19:11 and i would like to remove one of the boxes 19:19:21 so i can solder a keyboard ps/2 wire on directly 19:19:32 but keep the mouse connector 19:19:42 [they are a little spaced from each other, seperate boxes] 19:20:08 Why not just solder the wires directly to the pads that the connector is already using? 19:20:33 well i have to get rid of the connector [otherwise it wont fit like i want] 19:20:39 Ah. 19:21:00 I don't know. Sorry. You could try desoldering wick to see if that helps, but I really don't know. 19:21:17 it looks like a single sided pcb 19:21:21 yeah 19:21:29 its just the one side that has traces, no layers 19:21:39 If it's single sided, for real, then desoldering wick ought to be sufficient to remove the part. 19:21:56 yeah the bottom is pcb 19:22:05 and the top uses like lines of metal to connect 19:22:12 that are like physical wires 19:22:34 --- quit: I440r ("Leaving") 19:22:38 this things controller is only like 20 pins 19:23:11 Probably a PIC or Atmel controller with a built-in USB slave interface. 19:24:17 yeah 19:24:32 basically im going to turn this ps/2 kbd into a usb one 19:24:52 but it would be cool to expose the thing's ps/2 mouse port 19:25:03 [when its in the keyboard] 19:40:36 Jesus theres enough room to stuff the crap in here 19:40:41 cables and all 19:43:26 wow 19:43:40 heh 19:50:21 i now have a ps2 keyboard with a usb cable coming out of it 19:51:10 just by deshelling the ps2->usb and the usb hub 19:51:45 now i need a thin, somewhat long usb lcd dispaly that will work with linux 19:58:58 --- join: tathi (~josh@pcp02123722pcs.milfrd01.pa.comcast.net) joined #forth 20:11:00 'night all 20:11:05 --- quit: blockhead ("Client Exiting") 20:55:12 --- join: tathi_ (~josh@pcp02123722pcs.milfrd01.pa.comcast.net) joined #forth 21:03:44 --- quit: tathi (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 21:09:41 --- nick: tathi_ -> tathi 21:20:37 --- quit: tathi ("leaving") 21:44:00 --- join: arke (arke@melrose-251-251.flexabit.net) joined #forth 21:44:04 !!!!!! 21:44:07 kc5tja!!!! 21:44:19 kc5tja: please, _please_, tell me whats going on? :) 21:44:28 futhin: hi there, sexy 21:44:40 hi Sonarman too, and Herkamire and madgarden 21:45:35 kc5tja: gotta leave again, send me email koolaid_male@yahoo.com 21:45:36 --- quit: arke (Client Quit) 21:45:54 I'd love to, but I don't even know what you're talking about. 21:45:59 doh, you're gone. 21:53:12 he wants to know whether you are moving out of SD 22:10:40 --- join: Serg (~z@212.34.52.140) joined #forth 22:12:24 --- quit: Sonarman ("leaving") 22:23:38 i'm sexy and i know it 22:23:45 now i lay my sexy self down to bed 22:28:13 Hehe 22:30:23 --- quit: warpzero ("Tried to warn you about Chino and Daddy Gee, but I can't seem to get to you through the U.S. Mail.") 22:31:43 * kc5tja goes to cook some food, and after that, quite likely right to bed. 22:38:18 --- join: warpzero (~warpzero@dsl.142.mt.onewest.net) joined #forth 22:50:33 --- quit: Serg () 22:59:05 --- join: imaginator (~George@georgeps.dsl.xmission.com) joined #forth 23:12:39 --- quit: kc5tja ("THX QSO ES 73 DE KC5TJA/6 CL ES QRT AR SK") 23:41:24 kc5tja's story about bicycling (on the site in the topic) is quite interesting. 23:41:47 * imaginator knows the pain of idiotic automobile drivers too well 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/04.05.04