00:00:00 --- log: started forth/04.04.27 00:29:08 --- quit: warpzero (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 00:39:27 --- quit: Robert (Remote closed the connection) 00:39:50 --- join: Robert (~snofs@c-5d5a71d5.17-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined #forth 01:29:02 --- join: hovil (~hovil@CommSecureAustPtyLtd.sb1.optus.net.au) joined #forth 02:07:17 --- quit: hovil ("Leaving") 02:17:44 --- quit: yeoh ("Client exited") 03:12:16 --- join: qFox (C00K13S@cp12172-a.roose1.nb.home.nl) joined #forth 05:32:18 --- join: epschern (~epschern@amsel.cosy.sbg.ac.at) joined #forth 05:33:03 hi.. where can i find a good 5-minute or so introduction to forth? 05:33:33 i should give a talk about my forth project after this 10 minutes break :P 05:33:51 --- nick: epschern -> networm 05:44:06 --- quit: networm ("Lost terminal") 05:49:25 --- join: m00nshine (~mnu@213.234.205.83) joined #forth 05:49:44 --- part: m00nshine left #forth 05:56:15 --- join: hovil (~hovil@CommSecureAustPtyLtd.sb1.optus.net.au) joined #forth 06:11:18 --- join: yeoh (~yeoh@219.95.25.229) joined #forth 06:11:33 Hello, everyone. ;) 06:29:00 --- join: proteusguy (~proteusgu@69.79.24.31) joined #forth 06:34:36 --- quit: hovil ("Leaving") 07:26:19 --- join: networm (~networm@L0633P13.dipool.highway.telekom.at) joined #forth 07:32:17 --- quit: yeoh ("Client exiting") 08:32:09 --- quit: fridge ("Client exiting") 09:37:24 --- join: Herkamire (stjohns@h000094d30ba2.ne.client2.attbi.com) joined #forth 09:48:25 hey! 09:48:39 howdy 09:54:37 Hi Herkamire 09:55:45 hi Robert :) 09:56:18 * Robert _finally_ got the transmitting part of his radio to work properly. 09:56:28 Now I have an amazing 500mW out after filtering. ;) 09:56:54 what sort of range would that give? 09:58:15 Depends on the conditions. At least a thousand miles, but people have been communicating across the atlantic with lower power than that... 09:59:13 erm this is a radio you are building yourself ? 10:00:14 Yeah... And it looks SO ugly. :) 10:00:24 I'll see if I can make any contacts with it 10:00:36 1000 miles in theory == five feet in practice, you know :P 10:00:37 heh 10:02:12 see if you can contact kc5 :) 10:02:29 i hope he is gopna be ok, get a good job or something.. 10:03:43 Yeah, and get out of that restaurant 10:03:57 If there's someone who doesn't deserve it that's him.. 10:54:30 --- join: warpzero (~warpzero@dsl.142.mt.onewest.net) joined #forth 11:09:53 --- quit: skylan ("brb") 11:15:25 --- join: skylan (~sjh@vickesh01-4837.tbaytel.net) joined #forth 11:40:44 --- join: lma (markus@dialin-212-144-155-184.arcor-ip.net) joined #forth 11:56:58 --- quit: lma ("Client Exiting") 12:25:57 --- join: SDO (~SDO@68.170.20.253) joined #forth 12:29:13 hi sdo 12:29:31 hello I440r 13:07:25 --- quit: proteusguy (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13:23:02 --- join: slava (~slava@CPE00096ba44261-CM000e5cdfda14.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #forth 13:23:05 hi all 13:33:07 Hi slava 13:36:33 --- join: tathi (~josh@pcp02123722pcs.milfrd01.pa.comcast.net) joined #forth 13:44:38 hi rob 13:45:54 gn 14:27:11 LOL http://amiga.emugaming.com/bplan/microwave.html 14:36:04 for anyone that wants FORTH for beos, I have a site with ports. 14:36:15 http://beforth.dyndns.org:8080/ 14:36:23 it ain't too spectacular, but they do work :) 15:07:55 i'm watching that half life speed video 15:08:01 its... nice :) 15:08:09 half life in under an hour 15:09:02 Half a life in an hour? Depressing 15:09:06 even though i'm sure that with some practice anyone can do it like the video does it, unless they havent slowed things down... 15:09:25 but this took quite some specific planning 15:09:32 yes robert, half a life. 15:10:26 ;) 15:11:17 no but really, its cool 15:11:35 probably not so new, but i only just now stubled uppon this ... scene 15:12:33 Super Mario is all you ned 15:12:36 er, need 15:12:56 yea, smb in 5minute something 15:12:58 :p 15:13:14 (with warps ofc) 15:13:24 :) 15:13:30 Fun game 15:13:56 And you DON'T need a modern $1000, 100 ampere CPU to play it 15:14:06 :p 15:14:20 no you can find a nes in the trashcan of a modern family :p 15:14:33 * Robert pets his NES 15:14:43 It doesn't work well anymore :~( 15:15:50 i think my pinball cardridge is a goner :( 15:15:59 pinbot that is 15:21:42 well whadayaknow, it seems i never actually saw the ending of halflife. 15:22:11 i hated that game, still do actually as far as playing it. i fought my way thru it cheating and ti still cost me quite some time and trouble :p 15:22:26 but i guess i quit too soon after thinking i finished the endboss 15:25:19 halflife is creepy 15:26:24 i kinda hate fps games featuring "alien monsters" as enemies 15:26:33 it kinda kills the realism for me 15:26:57 --- join: networm_ (~networm@L0626P01.dipool.highway.telekom.at) joined #forth 15:27:07 (and realism is the only reason i testplay these games nowadays. see how realistic they are at time of release) 15:28:05 at some point realism kills the fun 15:28:12 in reality you get shot once and you're done 15:28:27 yes but i kinda meant realism in the surroundings 15:28:49 i play godmode if its too hard for me, or too much trouble actually. and if not i just wont bother 15:29:07 as far as challange... i dont really find that in fps games :\ 15:29:33 half life was the one which everyone went on and on and on about how great the AI was, right? 15:29:36 but its like, look at far cry. they promoted the living shit out of that game, and it sucked imo. 15:29:57 ehm i dont know about the hype. i hated it so i generally ignored it 15:29:57 when really it was terrible 15:30:02 ah, ok. 15:30:29 so is far cry's ai in practice i think. 15:30:33 it all looks nice on paper 15:30:50 haven't seen far cry. 15:30:50 but in real gameplay, its just a matter of aim and "communication" 15:31:11 yeah, that's usually the case... 15:31:21 ah well. i'm playing this game called Deserts_Rats_vs_Afrika_Korps 15:31:21 my game is proceeding slowly but surely :) 15:31:35 and its looking pretty nice imo 15:32:10 I've never heard of Far Cry 15:32:10 i love the way the vehicels actually leave tracks and move around ... well more real then i've seen in any game so far (as far as manouvrability) 15:32:24 lol Herkamire, it got promoted on tv for weeks here :p 15:32:31 I don't watch TV 15:32:42 i guess that would do it :p 15:33:06 irc wasts enough time ;) 15:33:32 well, speaking of wasting time... I'm off to juggling club 15:33:49 lol... for real? 15:34:05 really really 15:34:10 haha, ok :) 15:34:17 going to shooze and pass clubs for a few hours 15:34:31 alright nice, just sounds funny to me, is all :) 15:34:49 shmooze that is 15:34:50 then again, i've seen clubs and stuff that amazed me even more 15:35:05 it's fun. 15:35:27 like 15:35:27 http://www.speedstacks.com/ 15:35:50 (no i didnt memmorize that, favorites ;) 15:41:35 --- quit: networm (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 15:47:11 --- quit: tathi ("leaving") 15:48:17 --- join: crc (~Charles_C@0-1pool88-118.nas48.philadelphia1.pa.us.da.qwest.net) joined #forth 15:49:10 --- quit: SDO (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 15:51:42 --- join: SDO (~SDO@68.170.20.253) joined #forth 16:16:35 --- join: Sonarman (~matt@adsl-64-160-165-146.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) joined #forth 16:16:54 --- quit: crc ("ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7b/20040316]") 16:33:07 --- join: chandler (~chandler@64-145-60-36.client.dsl.net) joined #forth 16:51:28 i wonder, would ebay consider NES cardridge burning equipment illigal, or does "you can get anything on ebay" not apply here :\ 16:51:32 finally 16:51:39 i fixed an annoying compiler bug 16:51:47 and added a test case to the test suite for it 16:52:13 --- quit: networm_ ("Client exiting") 16:52:15 * qFox chuckles at having to FINDING and remove (at least) 2 bugs from his own code too... 17:04:26 lets see if i can possibly get my hands on some kind of nes cardridge program hardware, appearantly the core of the NES is a 6502 (or hybrid close enough to this) 17:05:12 much to my surprise however, i cant find ANYTHING on the subject of programming hardware, not even a copybox (i'm fairly sure there are nes cardridge copyboxes) 17:28:02 --- join: blockhead (default@dialin-146-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net) joined #forth 18:12:32 --- join: TheBlueWizard (TheBlueWiz@pc2ddn1d.ppp.fcc.net) joined #forth 18:12:32 --- mode: ChanServ set +o TheBlueWizard 18:12:37 hiya all 18:13:36 hi 18:13:49 hiya blockhead 18:30:20 --- quit: qFox ("this is mirc's last attempt of communication...") 18:37:10 --- join: lalalim_ (~lalalim@p508AA153.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 18:55:06 --- quit: lalalim (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19:14:54 gotta go...bye all 19:15:17 --- part: TheBlueWizard left #forth 19:37:07 --- join: fridge (~fridge@dsl-203-33-165-192.NSW.netspace.net.au) joined #forth 19:41:36 forth go * and 20:00:12 s" what?" irc-send-msg 20:01:03 Must I decipher? 20:01:25 -1 20:02:02 me guesses "go forth and multiply" 20:02:19 * madgarden dings the dinger that goes ding-ding-ding 20:05:03 * Sonarman slaps his forehead 20:05:11 -1 20:05:42 :D 20:10:12 'nn all 20:10:19 --- quit: blockhead ("Client Exiting") 20:42:17 --- join: Sonarman_ (~matt@ppp-66-124-255-146.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) joined #forth 20:42:57 --- quit: Sonarman (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20:44:58 --- join: kc5tja (~kc5tja@66-91-231-74.san.rr.com) joined #forth 20:45:05 --- mode: ChanServ set +o kc5tja 21:20:04 --- join: yeoh (~yeoh@219.95.25.123) joined #forth 21:33:20 hello, everyone. :) 21:36:31 hi yeoh! anything new? 21:38:38 well, not much for today. :) 21:39:08 just submitted my tax returns. 21:44:27 what was your first spoken language? 21:44:48 Chinese. 21:46:12 by that you mean the Mandarin dialect, right? 21:46:39 Well, a little of Mandarin but mostly Hokkien dialect. :) 21:46:51 I was reading on a few websites that even the term "Mandarin Dialect" is more or less meaningless. 21:47:12 yes, Mandarin is not a dialect. 21:47:35 what do you mean? 21:47:39 It used to be; however, there are now true Mandarin and the Beijing-ized Mandarin. 21:47:48 There are several dialects: Teochew, Hokkien, Cantonese, etc. 21:48:23 but what do you mean by saying that Mandarin is not a dialect? 21:48:43 Mandarin is a language both for spoken and written Chinese. 21:49:00 Ok 21:49:02 dialects are related to certain Provinces of China. 21:49:06 I know 21:49:12 i can speak Cantonese :) 21:49:19 Great! ;) 21:49:29 I do speak a little Cantonese. 21:50:07 I used to listen to Radio Taipei International on shortwave radio (admittedly the English segment, as that's the only language I know). 21:50:16 kc5tja: cool 21:50:22 yeah! 21:50:52 When I was a kid, I listened to the BBC world service a lot.. 21:51:00 21:47 <@kc5tja> I was reading on a few websites that even the term "Mandarin 21:51:00 Dialect" is more or less meaningless. 21:51:00 21:47 < yeoh> yes, Mandarin is not a dialect. 21:51:16 sorry, that damn side mouse button 21:51:30 oh.. i see. :) 21:52:54 in the past i have highlighted the entire contents of the IRC window (out of boredom) and then accidentally hit that button 21:53:37 that's pretty embarrasing :) 21:53:37 Hehe :D 21:53:42 :) 21:57:01 yeoh: where you came from, did the people mainly use the traditional or simplified chinese character ste? 21:57:04 set 21:57:41 simplified but some traditional. newspapers use simplified. 21:58:15 ok 21:59:22 we also have to read and write Malay, the country's official language. 21:59:36 Sonarman_: Are you Chinese as well? 21:59:52 are you, Sonarman? 21:59:55 kc5tja: no 22:00:21 Ahh. How did you come to learn Chinese then? 22:00:54 Chinese fascinates me as a language; it's a very primordial langauge -- the only language still using pictures (ideographs) to convey concepts, AND it's an "analytic" language. 22:01:09 i was in the "Chinese Immersion Program" in elementary school, which meant that most instruction was in Chinese 22:01:19 * kc5tja nods 22:01:21 and i continue to take Cantonese class today 22:01:26 We didn't have anything of that sort when I was going to school. 22:01:34 Wow! awesome.. 22:01:55 im starting to learn chinese but not cantonese 22:02:18 l440r, you mean Mandarin? 22:02:19 there are many asian people in my area 22:02:25 yup 22:02:28 easier :) 22:02:31 :) 22:02:43 Sonarman, which area? 22:02:43 My education has been very suboptimal. 22:02:57 yeoh: around the Sunset district of San Francisco. 22:03:09 I see. :) 22:03:11 Music and the arts, which I admit to not considering very important when I was young, nonetheless was cut out of the cirriculum when I was in 6th grade. 22:03:39 Everything I know, everything I do, is all self-taught. 22:03:51 kc5tja: cool! 22:03:55 I have many faults as a result of this. 22:04:06 yeah, i wish public education were better funded :( 22:04:07 My failure in college classes (e.g., Calc II) is one of these. 22:04:36 Sonarman_: Not getting into the politics or economics of it, I frankly don't think public education is the solution, even if it was better funded. 22:04:54 Competition at this early a stage is rediculously corruptive. 22:05:03 * kc5tja prefers a dojo educational model. 22:05:14 I went to two missionary schools. 22:05:22 can you explain, kc5tja? 22:05:22 Martial arts schools have had it right all along. Yes, they are "competitive" in a certain sense, but they're also highly cooperative too. 22:05:51 Modern schools have a single goal: to graduate students. 22:06:37 Teachers cannot do their jobs because teachers who objectively fail students (e.g., students who fail to acquire the required knowledge necessary to pass a grade), they are condemned as being biased against said student's racial or intellectual/biological make-up. 22:07:34 The nice thing about martial arts schools is this: it's competitive in the sense that you're continually challenged. But it's cooperative in the sense that, yeah, you failed a test, but you're still in the *same* class, with the same teacher, the same surrounding students, et. al. 22:07:37 modern school prepares students to work as employees. 22:07:44 You can get help from other students, who usually are happy to help you learn. 22:07:56 not for doing business. 22:08:03 yeoh: Precisely. 22:08:19 This is something that I distinctly got from "Think and Grow Rich", a book that SDO recommended to me. 22:08:31 hey, i have that book too. 22:08:34 The author was right: the contents of that book truely are required reading for all students. 22:08:43 my dad read that book :) 22:09:31 --- join: Serg (~z@212.34.52.140) joined #forth 22:09:45 there is another series of books by Dr. Napoleon Hill, "Laws of Success". 22:10:40 * kc5tja hasn't read any of those books. 22:11:06 * kc5tja doesn't have the time to read every book out there. 22:16:29 * yeoh nods. 22:16:55 I don't have much time to read nowadays. :( 22:26:40 "Unlimited Power" by Anthony Robbins is simply awesome! 22:27:17 --- quit: Sonarman_ ("leaving") 22:59:15 --- join: onetom_ (~tom@160.114.27.131) joined #forth 23:00:20 --- quit: onetom (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 23:13:17 --- quit: Serg () 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/04.04.27