00:00:00 --- log: started forth/04.04.26 01:00:15 --- join: n7 (~nexus7@iD45D119F.versanet.de) joined #forth 01:00:43 hello 01:00:59 hi 01:02:10 uhm, am i right here for info about colorforth? 01:02:38 I think there's a separate channel for colorforth. 01:03:21 well, i haven't found it, except one that's named c4th and has "we moved" as topic ;) 01:04:24 I'm not sure but have you tried googling for it? 01:04:38 sure 01:05:15 no problem, i've got it, someone deidled and said they are in ircnet now 01:05:26 ok. :) 01:05:37 nonetheless, i have some general questions 01:06:20 like, what would you recommend as native forth environment for an old x86 laptop? 01:06:31 what OS? 01:06:54 no OS :) 01:06:59 just the 4th 01:07:01 or you mean a Forth OS? 01:07:07 on the bare metal, so to speak 01:07:32 Oh, I'm not sure. I'm using bigForth on Win32 and Linux. :) 01:07:48 hmm, i came across that on google 01:08:24 information i gathered so far is: the native ones mostly only run from floppy, right? 01:09:13 I don't have any experience in that area. :( 01:10:28 then another question, the web seems outdated somehow, what is the state of the art in forth now? 01:10:47 or which implemetation is most widely used nowadays? 01:11:12 you mean commercial ones? 01:11:19 no, free ones 01:11:35 for Win32, win32forth is popular. 01:11:51 i don't have any windows machines here 01:12:04 only x86 boxes running netbsd 01:12:18 some old mac quadra 650 01:12:20 Oh netbsd. 01:12:27 some sparc classic 01:12:42 I haven't come across a forth implementation on netbsd. 01:12:48 some dustcollecting hp 712/60 01:13:18 awesome! 01:13:29 they have several in their pkgsrc(ports), but i'm not interested in running forth under some hostos 01:14:21 I see. 01:15:08 Have you seen this: http://www.forthos.org/ 01:15:29 you see, i'm sort of burned out, now jobless, and give a damn about standards, so i thought to myself, i want to relax and using computers purely as a hobby from now on 01:15:47 remembered my old forth books 01:15:53 googled 01:16:02 read 01:16:19 and came to the conclusion i should do some forth again 01:16:34 great! :) 01:17:09 now i'm in the decisonphase as to which system i should use 01:17:51 I would go for colorforth. It's from Chuck Moore. 01:18:11 if i were you. 01:18:28 and i'm looking for something which i can "install" to that old x86 laptop, i gather this machine would be gigantic for forth with pentium 166 mmx/32MB ram and 3 gig HDD 01:18:47 yeah! 01:18:53 yeah, i thought so, but it doesn't start 01:19:22 you mean it can't boot? 01:19:25 has problems with the display, i already downloaded different "images" 01:19:35 i need 800x600 01:19:52 the 800x600 ones i found don't start 01:19:54 ah, colorforth needs a wider screen res. 01:20:14 or you could re-compile colorforth for 800x600. 01:20:57 i know that one could, but as of now i can't because i'm rather clueless ;) 01:21:54 I once tried to re-compile xcolorforth for Linux but there were some errors. 01:22:10 so I decided to use bigForth. 01:23:55 hmm, would be fun to wreac havoc onto xlib from bigforth i guess ;) 01:24:29 he he yeah! nice GUI with MINOS and THESEUS. 01:25:05 and some really awesome OpenGL demos. 01:27:21 --- join: fridge (~fridge@dsl-203-33-165-192.NSW.netspace.net.au) joined #forth 01:53:56 ok, i'm off, fiddling with c4th 01:54:10 wish me luck, and thanks for your time ;) 01:54:19 ok 01:54:31 --- quit: n7 ("may the 4th be with you") 02:02:56 --- quit: yeoh ("Client exited") 03:51:00 --- join: qFox (C00K13S@cp12172-a.roose1.nb.home.nl) joined #forth 04:44:09 --- quit: qFox (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 04:44:19 --- join: qFox (C00K13S@cp12172-a.roose1.nb.home.nl) joined #forth 06:01:45 --- quit: warpzero (Remote closed the connection) 06:22:45 --- join: yeoh (~yeoh@219.95.9.199) joined #forth 06:24:40 Hello, everyone. :) 06:25:54 Hi yeoh :) 06:26:28 Hi Robert. :) 06:26:30 hey! 06:26:39 Hi mur. :) 06:31:37 yeah! 07:08:41 i think i've done : ; :D 07:12:31 hm there be bugs there :\ 07:12:51 : double * * ; 5 5 5 double ,returns a 5, instead of 125 :( 07:13:31 and : ** * * ; 5 5 5 ** ,results in a stack underflow, so i believe there's a parsing error somewhere 07:14:08 (oh, * is hardcoded and works properly) 07:29:49 bye. :) 07:29:54 --- part: yeoh left #forth 09:24:00 --- join: thin (thin@bespin.org) joined #forth 09:24:13 --- mode: ChanServ set +o thin 09:24:17 Hi thin 09:24:30 hi Robert 09:25:11 thin! 09:25:19 Hey I440r 09:25:22 * I440r thwaps thin with the isforth manual 09:25:25 i can do that now hehe 09:25:29 Hey 09:25:29 lol 09:25:34 You wrote one? :) 09:25:39 its not finished 09:25:46 but PART of it is on the web page 09:25:49 Neat 09:25:56 havent you been looking ? 09:26:03 Obviously not 09:26:08 the entier kernel is documented 09:26:09 fool 09:26:12 Oh, yay. 09:26:18 * I440r thwaps robert with the isforth manual too 09:26:29 Not like I haven't been reading the source ;) 09:26:39 lol 09:28:34 oh. dont use IE to read my pages, IE is a pile of shit and gets it VERY wrong 09:29:16 Don't worry, I'd never do that 09:29:24 If IE gets it wrong you fucked up the html 09:29:33 But don't tell me Opera can't read it 09:29:48 no 09:30:01 ms is the one fucking up 09:30:17 Yeah, it's always THEIR fault :P 09:30:19 robert i use opera 09:30:21 i regged it 09:30:31 Ehm.. I didn't. But I use it. 09:31:03 i also regged AVG :) 09:31:04 I440r: you'd have to write some weird assed html code before IE fucks it up 09:31:12 or non-specific code 09:31:14 and you can use that for free indefinatly 09:31:18 er 09:31:19 too specific 09:31:52 thin look at my pages in moz or opera. you will see tables with word descriotions in it. next to each word description is a stack comment 09:32:07 in ie you get a pile of stack comments outside the table then the table sans the stack comments 09:32:13 thats IE fucking up - not me 09:34:02 thin uses IE ? 09:34:51 not anymore, i use firefox now 09:34:58 ok 09:35:15 I use firefox when Opera screws up 09:35:17 thi should not use windows applications. thin should format c and instll gentoo :P 10:05:51 --- quit: proteusguy (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 10:06:11 --- join: proteusguy (~proteusgu@69.79.24.31) joined #forth 10:06:32 --- quit: proteusguy (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 10:06:52 --- join: proteusguy (~proteusgu@69.79.24.31) joined #forth 11:22:31 --- join: madwork_ (~madgarden@derby.metrics.com) joined #forth 11:52:03 --- join: wossname (wossname@HSE-MTL-ppp73818.qc.sympatico.ca) joined #forth 11:54:35 --- quit: madgarden (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 11:54:49 --- join: madgarden_ (~madgarden@Kitchener-HSE-ppp3576712.sympatico.ca) joined #forth 12:36:22 --- nick: madwork_ -> madgarden 12:36:26 --- nick: madgarden -> madwork 12:56:48 --- quit: wossname ("asdf") 13:53:16 --- quit: chandler (Connection timed out) 14:11:17 --- join: tathi (~josh@pcp02123722pcs.milfrd01.pa.comcast.net) joined #forth 15:21:04 --- quit: proteusguy ("Leaving") 16:10:49 --- quit: fridge (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16:28:20 --- join: fridge (~fridge@dsl-203-33-165-192.NSW.netspace.net.au) joined #forth 16:31:49 --- join: blockhead (default@dialin-535-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net) joined #forth 17:03:26 --- nick: madgarden_ -> madgarden 17:08:35 --- part: blockhead left #forth 17:18:09 --- join: Sonarman (~matt@adsl-64-160-166-243.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) joined #forth 17:25:29 --- quit: tathi (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17:47:53 --- quit: qFox ("this is mirc's last attempt of communication...") 17:56:26 --- quit: Sonarman (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 18:14:39 --- join: yeoh (~yeoh@219.95.13.153) joined #forth 18:15:35 Hello, everyone. :) 18:23:50 hi yeoh 18:24:15 hi Herkamire. 18:24:26 --- join: Sonarman (~matt@adsl-64-169-93-233.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) joined #forth 18:24:41 hi Sonarman! 18:25:12 hi 18:36:07 --- join: lalalim (~lalalim@p508AB82D.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 18:55:49 --- quit: lalalim_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19:09:05 --- quit: Sonarman (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19:18:13 --- join: ianp (nobody@c-24-13-109-164.client.comcast.net) joined #forth 19:18:41 --- join: Sonarman (~matt@adsl-64-169-95-40.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) joined #forth 19:29:14 --- join: scope (~junk@njd.paradise.net.nz) joined #forth 19:53:29 --- quit: I440r ("brb - restarting X") 19:54:34 --- join: I440r (~mark4@adsl-64-219-100-36.dsl.lgvwtx.swbell.net) joined #forth 20:08:24 --- quit: I440r ("brb") 20:25:06 --- quit: thin ("leaving") 20:29:26 --- join: I440r (~mark4@adsl-64-219-100-36.dsl.lgvwtx.swbell.net) joined #forth 20:31:31 --- quit: I440r (Client Quit) 20:32:02 --- join: I440r (~mark4@adsl-64-219-100-36.dsl.lgvwtx.swbell.net) joined #forth 22:12:36 --- join: Serg (~z@212.34.52.140) joined #forth 22:20:16 --- join: warpzero (~warpzero@dsl.142.mt.onewest.net) joined #forth 22:33:04 --- quit: Sonarman ("leaving") 22:37:24 --- quit: ianp (Remote closed the connection) 22:56:36 --- quit: Herkamire ("off to bed") 23:04:07 --- quit: I440r ("Leaving") 23:10:16 --- join: I440r (~mark4@adsl-64-219-100-36.dsl.lgvwtx.swbell.net) joined #forth 23:23:01 --- quit: Serg () 23:23:28 ? 23:53:01 --- quit: fridge (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 23:53:37 --- join: fridge (~fridge@dsl-203-33-165-192.NSW.netspace.net.au) joined #forth 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/04.04.26