00:00:00 --- log: started forth/04.04.25 00:00:43 --- join: warp0b00 (~warpzero@dsl.142.mt.onewest.net) joined #forth 00:24:02 --- join: Aldo[Canibal] (~noname@200.141.173.16) joined #forth 00:24:15 good night 01:41:22 --- join: yeoh (~yeoh@219.95.9.30) joined #forth 02:03:36 --- quit: Aldo[Canibal] () 02:42:45 --- quit: yeoh ("Client exited") 04:05:36 --- quit: phubuh (Remote closed the connection) 04:05:57 --- join: phubuh (~user@c-52b670d5.028-10-67766c2.nc.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined #forth 04:14:27 --- quit: phubuh (Remote closed the connection) 04:27:08 --- join: phubuh (~user@c-52b670d5.028-10-67766c2.nc.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined #forth 07:11:00 --- join: blockhead (grunlat@dialin-680-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net) joined #forth 07:17:43 --- quit: mur ("Changing server") 07:23:47 --- join: mur (~mur@smtp.uiah.fi) joined #forth 07:48:40 --- quit: blockhead ("Client Exiting") 09:14:49 --- join: kc5tja (~kc5tja@66-91-231-74.san.rr.com) joined #forth 09:14:59 --- mode: ChanServ set +o kc5tja 09:49:58 --- join: qFox (C00K13S@cp12172-a.roose1.nb.home.nl) joined #forth 10:02:03 --- quit: fridge ("Client exiting") 10:09:58 --- join: tathi (~josh@pcp02123722pcs.milfrd01.pa.comcast.net) joined #forth 10:45:23 --- join: fridge (~fridge@dsl-203-33-162-47.NSW.netspace.net.au) joined #forth 10:56:59 --- quit: fridge (Remote closed the connection) 11:46:52 --- join: blockhead (default@dialin-178-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net) joined #forth 12:26:54 --- join: Sonarman (~matt@adsl-64-171-254-142.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) joined #forth 12:43:12 --- quit: Sonarman ("leaving") 12:53:34 --- join: Sonarman (~matt@adsl-64-171-254-142.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) joined #forth 13:04:00 --- quit: phubuh (Remote closed the connection) 13:15:05 --- join: phubuh (~user@c-52b670d5.028-10-67766c2.nc.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined #forth 13:31:20 --- join: dEMO (~demo@62.116.121.242) joined #forth 13:38:26 hi all 13:38:48 hi dEMO 13:39:22 are you a programmer blockhead 13:39:37 depends :D 13:40:02 what means 13:40:09 no seriously, I donsider myself one, but don't work as a programmer, don't do GUI or OO. 13:40:22 just a hobbyist programmer I guess 13:41:11 so you mean you program by hobby 13:41:21 exactly 13:42:16 what language 13:42:50 mostly c, some pov-ray, some forth, small amount of asm 13:45:01 better than me 13:45:05 i can't 13:45:28 i know html java VB and Quick Basic 13:45:33 but only a little 13:46:05 those are good things to know 13:46:32 thanks 13:46:45 what do you suggest to be a serious programmer 13:46:52 and where are you from 13:47:19 to be a seriosu programmer, do some serious programming :D 13:47:40 no seriously, think up a good Project and code it, preferably from scratch 13:48:03 new york state 13:48:28 are you an american 13:48:32 ??????? 13:48:39 yup 13:49:03 great 13:49:03 huh? 13:49:12 i like to be one 13:49:23 i like the style of american 13:49:31 no care 13:49:36 no worries 13:49:46 dEMO: Excuse me??? 13:49:51 dEMO: Where the heck did you get that from? 13:50:05 no care no worries? 13:50:17 sorry back to the subject, what do you suggest where do i start 13:50:22 I'm $2000 in debt, with no immediate employment prospects, about to lose my house, and you're claiming we have no worries? 13:50:55 dEMO: think up a program that you wourld like to write, and write it. That's how you should start 13:50:59 Maybe if you're a member of the Republican Religious Right-wing... 13:51:27 i mean i don know any programming language in deep 13:51:42 so i must learn that first 13:51:45 kc5tja: heh: where would a Republican Atheist fit in? :D 13:51:47 don't you think 13:51:48 dEMO: To become a serious programmer, you need only write serious software, in whatever language you happen to be happy with. 13:52:05 kc5tja: well said 13:52:18 dEMO: Case in point, Zope is written in Python, one of the slowest *scripting* languages in the world, and yet, thousands of commercial-grade websites run on it every day. 13:52:24 thanks a lot kc5tja 13:52:46 blockhead: Where in NY state do you live? 13:54:16 are you an american kc5tja 13:55:08 Yes. 13:55:32 may i have your email add of you both 13:55:40 incase i need help 13:56:32 Considering the volume of spam I get, I'm a bit weary of giving out my e-mail address. But I'm usually here when I'm not working. 13:57:14 * blockhead agrees with kc5tja on the e-mail thing 14:02:42 that ok 14:03:00 i only wanna to be friends 14:03:17 you know i'm not a computer guru 14:03:30 * kc5tja understands. :) 14:04:14 Doggone it, there are no local Aikido dojos anywhere even remotely close to Utica. :( 14:04:35 i smell a business opportunity ;) 14:04:42 qFox: No. 14:04:47 haha 14:04:54 Utica is even more economically deprived than California. 14:04:57 Utica is a ghost town. 14:04:57 what a business man 14:05:03 i dont have a clue what utica is 14:05:05 or where 14:05:07 :p 14:05:16 ok i asumed it was an area or city 14:05:16 is there a really ghost 14:05:16 upstate new york 14:05:20 ah 14:05:34 dEMO: I grew up in Utica for 22 years. I've witnessed its atrophy from a population of 100,000 to just a hair under 20,000. 14:05:55 aww 14:06:00 The buildings are horrifyingly run-down, and crime is up. 14:06:06 how old are you now 14:06:06 that's unusual: most of the us is bulding with extra population 14:06:09 soudns fun 14:06:09 22??? 14:06:11 dEMO: I'm 28. 14:06:18 err, 29 rather. 14:06:34 older than me 14:06:41 bulging, not bulding. doh! 14:07:01 blockhead: Several things conspired. First, GE and Raytheon moved out because of taxation issues, then Griffis AFB closed down, and then Walmart moved in to squash local businesses. 14:07:07 In short, Utica is a carcass. 14:07:34 And of course, the political situation there is such that as more people leave, taxes and utility bills get worse. 14:07:46 So they're doing *nothing* to solve the fundamental root of the problems. 14:08:21 kc5tja: weird 14:08:29 And it's a pity too. 14:08:49 I like Utica, as a city. I like it's central location. Lots of nature trails and whatnot are immediately available within an hour's drive from it. 14:09:01 I don't like its winters though. :( 14:09:06 But I can deal with them if I have to. 14:09:21 I imagine land prices have gone wayy down 14:09:47 Oh, and I also don't like the confluence of jet-streams from the gulf of Mexico and Canada to produce, on average, less than 20 days of sunshine per year either. 14:10:00 blockhead: I'm not too sure. 14:10:38 kc5tja: closest I've been to utica is albany. That got cold in the winter, but oddly hot in the summer 14:10:45 The weather patterns in Utica are very, very similar to what you'll find in London, England, as they're both on the same latitude (I think that's the right name for the ordinate). 14:10:59 blockhead: yes, it's not too uncommon to have 80 to 90 degree weather in Utica. 14:11:02 in the summer time. 14:11:10 --- quit: dEMO () 14:11:20 But summers there last so short; it often snows in the spring time, and sometimes even in the fall. 14:11:38 I thought uk summers were cooler than that ... but I've never been in the uk so what do I know? 14:11:56 neither have I, but they might have different jetstreams than we do. 14:12:11 But when it comes to annual precipitation, we can give London a real run for its money. 14:12:28 It's a very wet, very overcast area to live in. 14:13:20 Of course, as soon as you leave Utica, things get much better. I've seen, on numerous occasions, where just driving a few tens of miles away from Marcy on the Thruway, the skies will open up and be sunny, even in the winter time. 14:13:24 It's crazy. 14:13:41 But as soon as you drive towards Utica, you see the looming clouds that just seem to sit and huddle over Utica. 14:13:44 It's the weirdest thing. 14:14:19 sounds like something out of an 80s fantasy movie: the permanent clouds over the Evil Citidal(tm) 14:14:49 Heh 14:14:52 Yeah. 14:20:42 Wow. It took this long to model a single-bit-wide, three-state bus driver in Verilog. 14:20:45 :) 14:20:58 Just goes to show you, if you don't exercise your skills, you'll forget too much. 14:22:44 OK, well, I'm going to make some more toast and peanut butter, because that's all I can afford to eat at the moment. 14:22:47 :/ 14:50:08 --- quit: warp0b00 (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 15:02:37 --- quit: warpzero (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15:03:51 --- join: warp0b00 (~warpzero@dsl.142.mt.onewest.net) joined #forth 15:03:51 --- join: warpzero (~warpzero@dsl.142.mt.onewest.net) joined #forth 15:50:09 --- quit: tathi ("leaving") 16:01:32 --- quit: blockhead ("Client Exiting") 16:05:36 --- join: TheBlueWizard (TheBlueWiz@pc20dn08.ppp.FCC.NET) joined #forth 16:05:36 --- mode: ChanServ set +o TheBlueWizard 16:05:41 hiya all 16:05:45 Greetings. 16:05:57 hiya kc5tja 16:05:59 teRRRve 16:06:08 moimoi :) 16:25:35 --- join: Speuler (~Speuler@forthfreak.net) joined #forth 16:30:57 Hi Speuler! 16:31:01 Long time no see 16:31:15 hoi 16:33:10 hiya Speuler 16:34:09 hi TBW 16:35:45 o_0 i might have found myself a new hobby 16:36:04 http://bisqwit.iki.fi/jutut/nesvideos/ 16:36:07 that stuff is leet... :p 16:38:09 playing a nes game on a keyboard is fucked up though :( 16:38:25 cant get the right feeling for AB and select :) 16:44:53 hm, i just figured out a way to get around spam trap pages... i'm not sure who discussed it yesterday, but just leech the page twice. if different LINKS are found between the two attempts, discard the whole page. this would create alot of overhead, vs an almost perfect anti-spamtrap loophole measurement 16:47:05 of course this would still leave websites like news or boards with enumerous subpages all with the same .php file. on one side you might just want to process sites like this, on the other, you might not. i guess just adding an option to include exclude php/asp/etc (or htm/l only) would be best... 16:47:55 its times like these i pity 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Speuler? Speuler? 18:22:16 --- nick: madgarden_ -> madgarden 18:36:35 --- join: lalalim_ (~lalalim@p508AB59C.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 18:54:25 --- quit: lalalim (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19:11:27 --- quit: qFox ("this is mirc's last attempt of communication...") 19:12:28 --- quit: skylan (""Many men smoke but Fu Manchu."") 19:14:18 --- join: skylan (~sjh@vickesh01-4525.tbaytel.net) joined #forth 19:24:21 --- quit: kc5tja ("THX QSO ES 73 DE KC5TJA/6 CL ES QRT AR SK") 20:02:54 --- join: yeoh (~yeoh@219.95.13.106) joined #forth 20:10:36 Hello, everyone. :-) 20:24:44 hi yeoh. reading the bigForth manual is still going slowly :) 20:25:01 at least I'm learning some German this way 20:25:19 :-) Great way to learn German. 20:39:46 --- quit: ASau () 20:42:34 --- join: proteusguy (~proteusgu@69.79.24.31) joined #forth 20:52:54 --- join: I440r (~mark4@adsl-64-219-100-36.dsl.lgvwtx.swbell.net) joined #forth 22:28:56 --- quit: proteusguy (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22:38:52 --- quit: Sonarman ("Lost terminal") 23:03:00 --- join: proteusguy (~proteusgu@69.79.24.31) joined #forth 23:07:25 --- quit: ianp (Remote closed the connection) 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/04.04.25