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02:02:37 <yeoh> bye. :)
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06:11:11 <mur> hey
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10:45:11 <ASau> Dobryjj vecher!
10:52:46 <Robert> Privet, ASau :)
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10:54:55 <dEMO> hi
10:55:13 <dEMO> hi all
10:55:14 <dEMO> i wanna to be serious programmer
10:55:20 <dEMO> but i don't know where to start
10:55:28 <dEMO> can any one guide me
10:56:25 <Robert> Don't look at me - I'm not serious.
10:56:34 <dEMO> is there any one who can help me
10:57:00 <Robert> Why did you choose Forth?
10:57:00 <dEMO> can you direct who is serious
10:57:32 <Robert> I don't know if anyone's here right now.
10:57:42 <dEMO> i like linux and i come to this server and found the Forth and i intrested
10:57:42 <Robert> Maybe you chould check some other channel?
10:57:53 <Robert> Or check some Forth web page.
10:57:55 <dEMO> what do you suggest
10:58:00 <Robert> www.forth.org has some links 
10:58:10 <dEMO> thanks 
10:58:29 <Robert> #hprog is a programming comminuty here on Freenode, maybe someone in there can help you.
10:58:53 <dEMO> thank again
10:59:08 <dEMO> and i wanna to know about engineering
10:59:15 <dEMO> where do i start
11:00:21 <Robert> Hmm...
11:00:30 <Robert> Electric engineering?
11:00:36 <Robert> Or just...engineering in general?
11:00:49 <dEMO> Electric engineering
11:01:03 <dEMO> i wanna to be a white hacker
11:01:06 <qFox> download porn, that'll help you to achieve your goal
11:01:10 <Robert> Hmm... I have some links, mostly to radio-related stuff, on my page: robert.zizi.org
11:01:13 <Robert> qFox: :D
11:01:15 <Robert> Hi 
11:01:18 <qFox> hi :)
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11:03:03 <dEMO> hey robert your page is so plain
11:03:08 <Robert> Yep.
11:03:13 <dEMO> don't you do some decoraion
11:03:18 <Robert> Obviously not.
11:03:19 <dEMO> decoration
11:03:27 <dEMO> why?
11:03:33 <Robert> I prefer to spend time improving the contents, not the look of it.
11:03:47 <dEMO> i like that
11:03:49 <dEMO> really
11:03:51 <Robert> And I'm quite satisfied with the current look.
11:03:51 <blockhead> good man  :)
11:04:14 <dEMO> plain text with lots of content
11:04:30 <blockhead> it's a good thing
11:04:39 <Robert> I don't have _lots_ of content, but some.
11:04:41 <dEMO> maybe i can help
11:04:51 <dEMO> i know some html
11:04:59 <dEMO> but only a litte
11:05:02 <dEMO> little
11:05:07 <Robert> So do I. If I _wanted_ a heavier page, I'd make one. Trust me. :)
11:05:53 <dEMO> do you know programming
11:06:09 <dEMO> like experts
11:06:40 <dEMO> what is your job
11:08:43 <dEMO> if you don't like to share your personal information i ok
11:08:53 <dEMO> i just wanna to make friends on the net
11:09:01 <dEMO> i havn't got one
11:10:32 <qFox> may i inquire as to how old you are?
11:10:44 <blockhead> :D
11:11:29 <qFox> blockhead> you missed this: [20:04:05] <dEMO> i wanna to be a white hacker
11:14:56 <qFox> dEMO> how old are you?
11:15:25 <dEMO> 17
11:15:52 <qFox> any prior computer exprience?
11:16:13 <qFox> or knowledge...
11:16:13 <Robert> dEMO: I'm 18, and a student.
11:17:03 <dEMO> i attend IDEC from NCC London
11:17:24 <dEMO> but i only study from other country
11:18:45 <Robert> Born in Austria?
11:18:50 <dEMO> IDEC means Internation Diploma in Electronic Commerce
11:18:53 <dEMO> no
11:18:56 <dEMO> Myanmar
11:19:06 <Robert> Where's that?
11:19:19 <dEMO> Little country near China And Thai
11:19:39 <Robert> Oh, OK.
11:19:52 <Robert> Far away from Sweden. :)
11:20:07 <dEMO> What your's
11:20:19 <Robert> You mean my school, or my country?
11:21:17 <dEMO> both
11:23:54 <Robert> Upplands Bro-Gymnasiet, Stockholm, Sweden.
11:24:07 <dEMO> Sweden??
11:24:09 <dEMO> Nice
11:24:26 <dEMO> may i have your email add:
11:24:27 <Robert> Yep, it's a nice country. Three months a year.
11:24:42 <Robert> It's on my page, you don't have to paste it here.
11:24:54 <dEMO> sorry
11:25:02 <Robert> These logs are public and I do NOT want spambots to find them. :)
11:25:04 <dEMO> can i contact you
11:25:06 <Robert> No problem.
11:25:15 <dEMO> thanks
11:25:19 <Robert> Sure, send a mail whenever you feel like.
11:25:26 <dEMO> i need help in programming
11:25:31 <qFox> i bet its just robert@hotmail.com anyhow :p
11:25:45 <blockhead> :)
11:25:49 <dEMO> you know my age what about yours
11:26:00 <Robert> qFox: Hah. It's robost86@hotmail.com (unless that one's deleted now)
11:26:03 <qFox> i be 22 sir
11:26:07 <qFox> hehe
11:26:13 <qFox> spambots unite
11:26:19 <Robert> qFox: My real address is.. SECRET (and available on my page)
11:26:27 <Robert> Don't worry. They already know about it.
11:26:31 <qFox> kinda defies "secret"...
11:26:33 * Robert is 18.
11:26:36 <dEMO> what i your page
11:26:46 <Robert> qFox: Ssh, don't find the flaws in my logic.
11:26:52 <dEMO> how do you do that
11:26:55 <Robert> dEMO: robert.zizi.org
11:27:03 <Robert> dEMO: /me is 18
11:27:37 <qFox> oh, right
11:27:38 <dEMO> a little bit older than me
11:28:41 <dEMO> i've seen all the links you provide on your page
11:28:49 <dEMO> do you read all of them
11:29:07 <Robert> I've visited all the pages I link to, but of course I haven't read EVERYTHING on them.
11:29:34 <qFox> hm
11:29:35 <qFox> i wonder
11:29:56 <dEMO> what programming do you know
11:30:02 <qFox> if one would take a normal website with a couple of links, and would release a webspider on this page to leech all and any pages and any link it encounters
11:30:15 <qFox> how much % of the whole of internet it would possibily reach...
11:30:50 <dEMO> don't know
11:31:30 <qFox> hm thats kind of an intresting project
11:31:54 <dEMO> what projects
11:32:01 <Robert> dEMO: I know a bit of different things, no expert in any area. My projects are on the page
11:32:18 <dEMO> ok
11:32:29 <Robert> qFox: The REAL question is, how many percent of the material it gathers will be porn?
11:32:37 <qFox> 50+
11:33:03 <qFox> but no really
11:33:12 * qFox puts on todo list
11:33:55 <qFox> create a program, that accepts on link, and that parses all and any links it encounters, follows it, and recurses. log only the links in a list untill there are no new links to be followed
11:34:02 <dEMO> here my exit bye all
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11:34:38 <blockhead> qFox: that's actually an interesting idea  :D
11:34:42 <qFox> it is
11:34:50 <qFox> and perhaps give some kind of value to this number
11:34:53 <qFox> like
11:35:10 <qFox> "this page has 5000000 followable links"
11:35:14 <qFox> or something similar
11:35:50 <qFox> "by this page, you can reach 5000000 different webpages, on 200000 different domains"
11:35:59 <qFox> o_0
11:36:00 <qFox> :)
11:37:45 <qFox> you'd have to get around spamtraps like kc5tja showed the other day
11:41:07 <qFox> perhaps counting the number of links on a certain php/asp type of page, and discarding the whole batch if it reaches a certain number
11:42:19 <qFox> that might eliminate search-engine links as well
11:44:06 * blockhead thinks
11:45:12 <blockhead> maybe just skip/reject php/asp pages and only look at .html & .htm
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11:54:16 <qFox> possibly
11:54:42 <qFox> but that would still not eliminate javascript clones of this principle...
11:55:07 <qFox> although
11:55:22 <qFox> hmmm thinking of a very evilish spamtrap now
11:55:26 <qFox> but w/e
11:55:29 <qFox> i'll see later :p
11:57:03 <blockhead> later  :)
11:57:17 <qFox> first have to finish this bootcode thing :)
12:00:57 <qFox> is [ brace or bracket?
12:01:11 <Sonarman> bracket (i think)
12:01:19 <qFox> k
12:02:00 <qFox> should've just webstered it anyhow
12:02:05 <qFox> square bracket is better
12:04:55 <Sonarman> how about "the enter-compilation-mode thingy"? :)
12:05:04 <qFox> :p
12:05:35 <qFox> but what if you're going into interpretation mode...
12:05:41 <qFox> you'd be lost
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12:47:05 <Robert> Hi I440r 
12:56:27 <I440r> hi
12:56:47 <I440r> u doing anything intersting these days ??? :)
12:56:53 <I440r> written any cool shit with isforth ???
12:56:58 <I440r> if not... WHY not!
12:57:00 <I440r> :)
13:01:43 <Robert> Hehehe
13:01:52 <Robert> Well, I've been busy with the radio 
13:01:59 <Robert> And the _attempt_ to make one of my own
13:02:14 <Robert> Oh, and there's a large pile of books waiting for me.
13:03:44 <Robert> But hey.. now you gave me an idea. Was thinking about writing a logging program (for radio contacts) of my own, and I think Forth is the right language to use.
13:04:18 <Robert> For a language that simple, Forth has a lot to offer us lazy people
13:19:22 <I440r> lol
13:20:17 <I440r> i need to do more documentation
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14:23:27 <TheBlueWizard> hiya all
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14:41:15 <mur> moikka
14:43:23 <TheBlueWizard> terve :)
14:49:46 <TheBlueWizard> how's life?
14:50:52 <mur> getting better
14:50:58 <mur> summer worries me, i hate vacations
14:51:16 <mur> it cuts all normal rythms and causes me to have too much free time for nothing
14:51:27 <mur> and there is nothing i coudl study at summer either :/
14:51:46 * TheBlueWizard blinks
14:52:02 <TheBlueWizard> I love summers...lots of time (assuming I am not working :)
14:52:57 <mur> well social pressures too
14:53:06 <mur> a lot people buggin "what are you doing at summer time"
14:53:19 <mur> i'm very hmm.. säästäväinen
14:53:25 <mur> so i dont consume really much anything
14:53:35 <mur> so i have enough money to live many months with no work
14:53:51 <mur> unlike some people who may spend dozens of time more money than me 
14:53:55 <mur> or .. not even money :)
14:56:10 <TheBlueWizard> ah....säästäväinen = frugal in this context....you like to save money, I see...I'm pretty frugal too
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14:58:07 <qFox> we call that being a cheap bitch :p
14:58:13 <qFox> jk
14:59:43 <TheBlueWizard> I don't like debt...period
14:59:58 <TheBlueWizard> it eats into anything without showing any result
15:00:20 <TheBlueWizard> but I like buying good books...and occasional computer stuff....
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15:04:10 <TheBlueWizard> if I have plenty of time and am not programming, I'd just read books...either fantasy type, or technical (e.g. math or physics)
15:04:53 <Robert> Pretty much the same here, except I spend some time with the radio
15:05:06 <qFox> right now, i spend most of my time coding, studying for an exam in august, or watching tv. occasionally playing a game, and chatting between this all
15:05:20 <qFox> i have no school or work, none of those obligations
15:05:31 <qFox> and i have no social life
15:05:38 <qFox> well ok, i do, but it aint very big :)
15:05:45 <qFox> or demanding
15:06:09 <blockhead> qFox: aside from the studying, it sounds like a good life
15:06:27 <qFox> the exam is a math exam i have to pass to go to university next year
15:06:48 <blockhead> understood
15:06:54 <qFox> its no sweat tho, just have to do it or i wont know the stuff.
15:07:11 <qFox> all i'm missing is a gf really, other then that i'm quite fine
15:07:31 <qFox> i'll go thru my hell in september :p
15:08:01 <TheBlueWizard> why is that?
15:08:51 <qFox> i'll focus on the university 100%, dropping anything else. i have a feeling its gonna be tough on me
15:08:53 <qFox> i'm a bad planner
15:09:08 <qFox> and have a serious bad concentration
15:09:15 <blockhead> university was tough.
15:09:28 <blockhead> I never had to actually study until I went to college  :(
15:09:45 <qFox> so in september i wont do the funstuff coding i can do now since i probably wont have the free time anymore
15:09:55 <blockhead> yup
15:10:19 <qFox> same for games, or chatting (concentration issue?)
15:10:33 <TheBlueWizard> yup...you going in as a undergrad student?
15:10:40 <qFox> meaning?
15:10:53 <blockhead> concentration problem.  never chat while studying  :o
15:11:09 <qFox> :)
15:11:15 <qFox> TheBlueWizard> undergrad?
15:11:38 <TheBlueWizard> are you going to start going to college?
15:11:46 <qFox> yes, i hope
15:11:52 <qFox> i'm taking the backdoor entrance
15:12:00 <qFox> have to pass some exams to be allowed to go
15:12:15 <qFox> in my case, 3 exams. 2 math exams and an english exam.
15:12:31 <qFox> already passed one math exam, with an 8 (1-10)
15:12:48 <qFox> have an english exam in end of may, which will hopefully be quite easy for me
15:12:57 <qFox> and then the last one, in august...
15:13:20 <qFox> and if i dont make it.... god i'm screwed
15:13:21 <TheBlueWizard> mmhmm...and SAT exam?
15:13:34 <qFox> we dont have SAT's really
15:13:43 <blockhead> qFox: you in uk?
15:13:48 <qFox> no, i'm dutch (holland)
15:13:53 <blockhead> woops
15:13:56 <qFox> hehe
15:14:03 <qFox> different system alltogether
15:14:54 <blockhead> for the bored: I've made a new theme and a screenie is here:  http://users.bestweb.net/~pogo/piccy/Clipboard01.jpg
15:14:58 <blockhead> woosp.
15:15:01 <blockhead> wrong window
15:15:25 <qFox> in here you need a high enough education to be allowed in. meaning either the highest dutch form of the american highschool equalivant, or a college diploma
15:15:44 <TheBlueWizard> qFox: I see now
15:16:29 <qFox> the alternative is a backdoor, but only if you're 21+ years old. then you have to take certain exams specific to the study you want to follow. these exams are the same as the exams you'd get on that highschool, so to speak.
15:16:33 <Sonarman> blockhead: poser!
15:16:37 <Sonarman> :)
15:16:52 <qFox> ohwell i'll manage that, not too worried about them
15:17:11 <blockhead> Sonarman: well, it is a screenie of a bb4win style.  Appropriate on their channel, not on this one  :D
15:17:15 <qFox> but i'm not so sure how things will go once i'm in and university is on...
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15:36:18 <TheBlueWizard> hiya I440r!!! :)
15:36:23 <I440r> tbw! hi :)
15:36:53 <TheBlueWizard> how's life?
15:37:00 <I440r> same old same old :)
15:37:16 <TheBlueWizard> hehe....mine is getting chaotic :)
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15:41:17 <mur> TheBlueWizard, besides being frugal
15:41:24 <mur> i'm always satisfied what i have
15:41:37 <mur> and i'd proabbly satisfied even i had only 10% of what i have now
15:41:51 <mur> but i guess that is what is art of living
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18:12:30 <TheBlueWizard> gotta go....bye all
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19:47:42 <yeoh> Hello, everyone. :)
19:47:50 <blockhead> he yeoh
19:47:53 <blockhead> hi
19:48:09 <yeoh> hi blockhead.
19:51:41 <Sonarman> hi  yeoh
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20:07:23 <yeoh> hi Sonarman. :)
20:08:48 <yeoh> hi kc5tja.
20:09:08 <blockhead> hey kc5tja
20:10:31 <kc5tja> hello
20:12:50 <yeoh> Sonarman, how's your progress with reading bigForth's documentation?
20:21:12 <warp0b00> hey guys
20:21:45 <yeoh> hi warp0b00.
21:01:07 <blockhead> 'nn all
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