00:00:00 --- log: started forth/04.04.18 00:06:38 Hello. 00:06:58 Can anyone with Microsoft Internet Explorer 5.01 or later please check this site out: http://www.falvotech.com/ 00:07:03 and tell me if the site looks OK? 00:07:37 (note: I am very aware of the horizontal scroll bar issue; however, I don't know how to fix that. I'm more concerned with the navigator-overlapping-text bug right now.) 00:12:24 --- join: qFox (C00K13S@cp12172-a.roose1.nb.home.nl) joined #forth 00:13:55 qFox: Hey -- can you check out my website again? I applied a fix that TheBlueWizard sent in, and it should fix the overlapping text issue. 00:14:08 morning 00:14:10 :) 00:14:11 No idea if it'll fix the horizontal scrollbar thing or not (I doubt it in fact), but at least the site ought to be readable. 00:14:14 url? 00:14:19 http://www.falvotech.com 00:14:24 Same URL as last time. 00:14:34 ze horizontal bar iz ztill zthere 00:14:48 o_0 00:14:54 its even weirder now 00:15:03 the bar is 100% in the window 00:15:09 the top one i mean 00:15:12 like 00:15:27 when you use the horizontal bar, it just shows white 00:15:44 oh perhaps its the bottom bar 00:15:58 What you're describing to me isn't helpful. 00:16:03 heh 00:16:05 here 00:16:06 But again, I'm not concerned with the scroll bar. 00:16:08 hold on 00:16:10 oh 00:16:16 the menu bar is ok 00:16:17 I'm concerned with whether or not the navigation box overlaps the text. 00:16:20 Ok, cool. 00:16:23 That's the bug I wanted to fix. 00:16:24 but it wasnt on that site where i saw that 00:16:35 qFox: ???? You said earlier that you did! 00:16:40 TBW definitely did. 00:18:01 Anyway, can you provide me with a few screen shots of your browser contents? 00:18:10 * kc5tja would like to know where this horizontal scroll bar is going. 00:19:35 --- quit: onetom (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 00:19:35 --- quit: ChanServ (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 00:19:35 --- quit: Fractal (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 00:19:35 --- quit: fridge (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 00:19:35 --- quit: cmeme (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 00:19:36 --- quit: qFox (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 00:19:36 --- quit: o-- (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 00:19:36 --- quit: warpzero (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 00:19:36 --- quit: chandler (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 00:19:36 --- quit: Herkamir1 (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 00:19:36 --- quit: Robert (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 00:19:37 --- quit: madgarden (orwell.freenode.net 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(~snofs@c-f55a71d5.17-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined #forth 09:33:43 --- join: Herkamir1 (stjohns@h000094d30ba2.ne.client2.attbi.com) joined #forth 09:46:12 --- join: SDO (SDO@chcgil2-ar7-4-34-128-174.chcgil2.dsl-verizon.net) joined #forth 09:46:31 I've been wanting an ergo keyboard for a while. 09:46:39 --- nick: Herkamir1 -> Herkamire 09:47:38 but they seem hard to find, and really expensive, and rarely look like they'd even work on my computer (linux on a mac) 09:48:08 today it occured to me that I have a seccond USB keyboard, and that I might be able to set up something nice by using both 09:49:13 I'm happy to find that Linux handles two keyboards perfectly. I can even hold shift on one keyboard and press letters on the other to get capitals. 09:50:42 I'm not sure if this has any practical application (for example I don't know how I can arrange these on my desk) but it's certainly way cheaper than buying an ergo keyboard (if you have at least one working one already) 09:51:37 right now I'm trying it with one keyboard on my lap 09:53:57 so far the only trouble I've had is positioning my right hand (it's often a key to the left of where it should be. I think because I usualyl position it relative to my left hand, which is now on the other keyboard) 09:55:03 --- join: wossname (wossname@HSE-MTL-ppp66680.qc.sympatico.ca) joined #forth 10:00:55 has anybody tried this? 10:01:40 --- quit: wossname (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10:02:48 --- join: wossname (wossname@HSE-MTL-ppp66680.qc.sympatico.ca) joined #forth 10:05:10 --- join: kc5tja (~kc5tja@66-91-231-74.san.rr.com) joined #forth 10:05:16 --- mode: ChanServ set +o kc5tja 10:08:20 wb kc5tja :) 10:31:58 Hello 10:32:08 Sorry, was reading Homesteading the Noosphere. 10:51:24 OK, I'm done. 10:51:24 :) 11:05:43 Wow! My website directory is a monsterous 8MB in size. :/ 11:05:59 * kc5tja will need to prune it down a little bit. 11:11:56 OK, this seems more reasonable. 4.8MB 11:21:50 Cool, reduced it to 4.3MB. Even better yet. 12:04:52 is that with images or without? 12:11:07 heh, my site (business and personal) is 5.7MB. 4.7MB is images 12:13:40 --- join: ianp (~ian@c-24-13-109-164.client.comcast.net) joined #forth 12:20:29 my website wasnt very big, even with all images 12:21:17 243k, another 220k for the dimension part, and 1.24 in my sources part 12:22:41 i believe my largest website ever was about 40k, including the zip files for download ;l 12:23:10 no images, index.html and as little content as possible. ~ 12:36:49 --- quit: wossname () 12:45:03 --- join: wossname (wossname@HSE-MTL-ppp66834.qc.sympatico.ca) joined #forth 12:49:23 --- join: tathi (~josh@pcp02123722pcs.milfrd01.pa.comcast.net) joined #forth 13:06:32 qFox: Total size is 4.3MB 14:17:12 --- quit: tathi ("leaving") 14:44:19 --- quit: ianp (Remote closed the connection) 14:46:03 --- join: ianp (~ian@c-24-13-109-164.client.comcast.net) joined #forth 14:47:20 --- join: slava (~slava@CPE00096ba44261-CM000e5cdfda14.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #forth 14:47:23 hi all 14:47:48 Hi slava 14:48:44 re 14:50:41 And hi, kc5tja 14:50:53 :) 14:51:05 When I try to match a small piece of wire to my receiver it starts to oscillate. :( 14:51:41 match? 14:51:59 Using a simple L matching circuit. 14:52:23 Capacitor and a (very, very ugly) coil with a 12-pole switch connected to it. 14:53:41 hmm 14:53:54 So what is the purpose of the wire? 14:53:59 Antenna 14:54:05 Just wanted to test with a short one. 14:54:31 I'm afraid the RF amplifier isn't all that stable... 14:54:34 * kc5tja nods 14:55:06 Getting a bit annoyed, either they seem to provide no gain or they start to oscillate. 14:55:51 There is a basic law of electronics you shouldknow about: 14:55:51 Like my teacher used to say, "If you want an oscillator, just say 'let's make an amplifier'" 14:56:24 All amplifiers oscillate, and all oscillators amplify. 14:56:43 Hehe. :) 14:56:46 RF is weird stuff. 14:57:02 Lots of unexpected interactions between components. 14:57:15 And using a breadboard sure doesn't help. 14:57:29 I certainly don't claim to be an expert in any way on the topic. 14:57:33 NO! 14:58:10 They have so much inter-lead capacitance that it's amazing you even get 0dB gain out if it. :) 14:58:30 What frequency? 14:58:49 3.579 MHz. 14:58:55 So it's not THAT bad. 14:59:12 Do you have an o'scope? 14:59:13 It's not like I'm playing with microwaves on a breadboard. Not even I do that. 14:59:18 Nope. Why? 14:59:34 so you can see just how bad the capacitive coupling is at even 1MHz. :D 15:00:40 ahh, now I'm all tired from eating. :/ 15:00:56 I guess I'll just build the amplifiers and then solder it together... 15:01:09 I'm getting tired, too. Past midnight over here. 15:01:13 heh 15:02:27 Damn, it is 15:00 here, and I still haven't gotten any good coding in. 15:02:28 :/ 15:02:44 But then again, I don't even know where to proceed with my commercial project. 15:04:58 Ouch. I haven't coded in months... 15:05:09 I knew this radio would bring bad luck! 15:15:11 --- join: tathi (~josh@pcp02123722pcs.milfrd01.pa.comcast.net) joined #forth 15:24:38 I don't think it's bad luck; everyone has to deal with this. 15:24:45 well, everyone who homebrews. 15:25:04 For many years, I tried to make a working VFO, but the only thing it ever did was amplify. 15:25:11 So go figure. You're not alone. :) 15:38:27 --- join: TheBlueWizard (TheBlueWiz@pc64dn1d.ppp.fcc.net) joined #forth 15:38:27 --- mode: ChanServ set +o TheBlueWizard 15:38:35 hiya all 15:49:14 --- quit: Fractal ("[BX] Occifer, take me drunk, I'm home") 15:56:59 --- join: Sonarman (1000@adsl-67-113-235-134.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) joined #forth 15:59:20 re TheBlueWizard 16:00:05 hiya kc5tja...read your email, checked your website...it looks fine now...and replied to your email :) 16:11:17 --- quit: ianp (Remote closed the connection) 16:17:06 --- quit: wossname ("-1") 16:20:23 --- join: ianp (~ian@c-24-13-109-164.client.comcast.net) joined #forth 16:23:25 gotta go...bye all 16:23:39 --- part: TheBlueWizard left #forth 16:45:52 --- quit: Sonarman (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 16:50:47 --- join: Sonarman (1000@adsl-64-160-167-18.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) joined #forth 17:09:47 --- join: scope (~junk@njd.paradise.net.nz) joined #forth 17:27:41 --- join: Sonarman_ (1000@adsl-64-160-166-117.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) joined #forth 17:31:39 --- join: blockhead (default@dialin-623-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net) joined #forth 17:32:47 --- quit: Sonarman (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17:40:18 --- quit: tathi ("leaving") 17:43:13 --- join: arke (~Chris@ca-camarillo-cmtsg-124.vnnyca.adelphia.net) joined #forth 17:48:46 hey arke 17:49:10 --- join: factorbot (~factorbot@CPE00096ba44261-CM000e5cdfda14.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #forth 17:49:11 Hello everybody 17:49:16 EVAL 2 2 + . 17:49:17 4 17:49:43 hey guys 17:49:49 hey arke! 17:49:53 I don't have a computer right now 17:49:54 like 17:49:55 EVAL 1000 fac 17:49:55 literally 17:49:58 no computer 17:49:59 :) 17:50:09 EVAL 1000 fac . 17:50:26 arke: so how you getting IRC wihtout a computer? :o 17:50:30 EVAL 100 fac . 17:50:30 93326215443944152681699238856266700490715968264381621468592963895217599993229915608941463976156518286253697920827223758251185210916864000000000000000000000000 17:50:35 hehe 17:50:57 blockhead: at a firndss house :P 17:51:10 EVAL "hello arke" print 17:51:10 hello arke 17:51:24 * blockhead smaks his forehead. Duh. I should have figured that out. 17:52:31 --- quit: factorbot (Remote closed the connection) 18:19:27 --- quit: qFox ("this is mirc's last attempt of communication...") 18:26:49 'night all 18:26:51 --- part: blockhead left #forth 18:34:38 --- quit: SDO ("Vision[0.9.6-0203]: i've been blurred!") 18:35:30 --- join: lalalim (~lalalim@p508AA6FC.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 18:48:40 --- quit: lalalim_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18:56:21 --- join: Sonarman (1000@adsl-64-171-254-62.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) joined #forth 18:56:23 --- quit: Sonarman_ (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 19:38:26 --- join: arke_ (~Chris@ca-camarillo-cmtsg-124.vnnyca.adelphia.net) joined #forth 19:38:27 --- quit: arke (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19:39:21 LOL: "Documentation is like sex: when it is good, it is very, very good; and when it is bad, it is better than nothing." -- Dick Brandon 19:40:57 Herkamire, want to meet my bot? 19:41:22 --- quit: chandler (Remote closed the connection) 19:41:26 --- join: chandler (~chandler@64-145-60-36.client.dsl.net) joined #forth 19:41:33 --- join: factorbot (~factorbot@CPE00096ba44261-CM000e5cdfda14.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #forth 19:41:34 eval 2 5 + . 19:41:34 7 19:43:36 --- join: I440r (~mark4@204.110.225.254) joined #forth 19:43:50 <-- in utah at a flying j truck stop :) 19:44:06 eval 1000 2^ . 19:44:07 10715086071862673209484250490600018105614048117055336074437503883703510511249361224931983788156958581275946729175531468251871452856923140435984577574698574803934567774824230985421074605062371141877954182153046474983581941267398767559165543946077062914571196477686542167660429831652624386837205668069376 19:44:11 eval "Hello I440r" print 19:44:12 Hello I440r 19:44:47 yall stole that ide off me with my forth bot but when (if) i finish that you will be able to write complete applications with it lol 19:44:51 not just eval stufrf 19:44:53 stuff even 19:45:31 why doesnt eval ." blah" work 19:45:56 its not forth... 19:46:01 eval "blah" . 19:46:01 "blah" 19:46:02 oh 19:46:04 lol 19:46:35 see 2^ 19:46:36 : 2^ 1 swap [ 19:46:36 2 * 19:46:36 ] times ; 19:46:45 see see 19:46:46 : see ( word -- ) 19:46:46 worddef prettyprint ; 19:47:18 why the [ 2* ] ? 19:47:32 and whats the difference between * and times ? 19:47:38 see times 19:47:38 : times ( n [ code ] -- ) 19:47:38 #! Evaluate a quotation n times. 19:47:38 #! 19:47:38 #! In order to compile, the code must produce as many values 19:47:38 #! as it consumes. 19:47:39 [ 19:47:41 over 0 > 19:47:43 ] [ 19:47:45 tuck >r pred >r call r> r> 19:47:47 ] while 2drop ; 19:47:58 sorry thats too long :) 19:48:02 heh 19:48:08 at least its commented! 19:48:09 sorta 19:48:11 lol 19:48:29 see >r 19:48:29 ~<< >r A -- r:A >>~ 19:49:45 Does >R affect the actual return stack in Factor? 19:51:22 in interpreted code, yes 19:51:31 in compiled code, stack manipulations are transformed into something else 19:51:59 eval 100 fac 19:52:10 eval 100 fac . 19:52:10 93326215443944152681699238856266700490715968264381621468592963895217599993229915608941463976156518286253697920827223758251185210916864000000000000000000000000 19:52:20 eval 1234 >r 19:52:20 see fac 19:52:26 : fac ( n -- n! ) 19:52:26 1 swap [ 19:52:26 succ * 19:52:26 ] times* ; 19:52:33 eval r> . 19:52:34 at dip ( ip: r> ) 19:52:34 Namespace #763f5d 19:52:34 madgarden, you crashed it into the debugger 19:52:46 ;) 19:52:51 but you can do this 19:52:58 eval r> dup r> . 19:52:58 factor.FactorDataStack@13a317a 19:53:00 --- quit: Robert (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 19:53:28 slava: it would be nice if you trained the bot to respond to /msg so people could try stuff out without embarassing themselves by posting bugs here :) 19:53:53 Herkamire, also i need a 'catch' in the language so that i don't have to keep babysitting it when people make typos! 19:54:15 enough for now :) 19:54:16 eval 0 exit* 19:54:17 --- quit: factorbot (Remote closed the connection) 19:54:19 slava: yeah, a forth bot certainly needs good error recovery 19:54:28 also security 19:55:00 --- join: dasbear (~chatzilla@adsl-64-219-100-36.dsl.lgvwtx.swbell.net) joined #forth 19:55:27 yeah. and infinite (or really long) loop protection 19:55:32 yes 19:55:47 that's the part I never really wanted to deal with 19:56:00 well, and making a standard forth :) 19:56:05 well the way i was going to do it is just spawn a second thread that watches the first 20:05:31 Herkamire, can i ask you something? 20:06:05 Why not just redefine your loops in a factorbot vocabulary to track iterations in a counter variable, and break out if it gets too big. 20:06:36 because you can have random recursion too 20:06:38 : loop loop ; 20:07:38 i want to implement catch 20:07:47 what should happen to the datastack after an exception is thrown? 20:07:55 should it be restored to some previous state? 20:08:41 Restored to a previous depth, I believe... 20:08:50 the depth of the 'catch' that caught it? 20:09:01 Yea. 20:09:14 great 20:09:25 what if the code consumed some stuff before throwing? 20:09:34 so the stack depth at the error is lower than at the catch? 20:09:54 Well, you'd have to push 0's or -1's I imagine. 20:10:06 You could check one of the Forth specs. 20:10:10 I dunno offhand. 20:10:25 this isn't about implementing a forth standard, just looking for hints to do it my way :) 20:10:34 one thing i can do is completely restore the datastack to the state before a catch 20:10:59 Sure. 20:11:04 Or, pad with zeroes. 20:11:12 Depends on what is necessary. 20:14:31 hi\ 20:15:14 HI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111 20:16:10 GHOW ARE (YOJ!:??!?!?!!?! 20:16:12 OMG 20:16:13 YOURE SOL HOT 20:16:18 ASL!? 20:16:19 YOURE LIK :"> 20:19:22 So, I was thinking of pitching my Forthy scripting system at work as a way to aid in the remote debugging of embedded apps. 20:20:49 :) 20:20:56 man 20:20:58 thin is sexy 20:20:59 :) 20:21:02 ^__^ 20:21:39 re folks 20:21:45 re bar 20:22:20 What's shaking? 20:32:52 --- join: I440r_ (~mark4@204.110.225.254) joined #forth 20:32:52 --- quit: I440r (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20:34:08 IMO, more remote/embedded apps should have a debug console interface! 20:38:58 Y'know? 20:40:46 madgarden: I'm looking at various conlangs that I never knew existed. 20:41:01 This one is pretty interesting, at least theoretically: tp://ebtx.com/lang/eminfrm.htm 20:42:35 kc5tja, conlang? 20:49:36 Constructed language. 20:49:47 Ahh. 20:49:55 Well, just was browsing that page a bit. 20:49:58 as with Lojban, Esperanto, Glaso (a neat language which I think I like better than Esperanto, actually), etc. 20:51:13 Not sure why they'd want to use the sounds EN and EM together for "verbifiers." They m/n sounds can be easily confused. 20:52:05 Dunno. 20:52:17 But this looks like a good language to use for use an D&D games or some such. 20:54:48 Just change EM and EN to EG and EK and you'd have yourself an orcish sounding thing. ;) 20:59:39 It sounds pretty well totally foreign even without those mods. 20:59:45 And EG and EK are just as hard to decipher. 20:59:51 Imagine using tihs language over radio. 21:00:01 That's my guage for good communicability. 21:01:02 I doubt orcs use the same system. 21:02:49 I doubt orcs can say anything beyond "OUCH!" or "FOOD!" 21:04:30 They speak English!? :O 21:05:19 kc5tja: hey 21:05:34 everybody, send me email koolaid_male@yahoo.com 21:05:41 kc5tja: including you, about tolkien's languages 21:07:13 arke_: I already sent you an e-mail before. 21:07:22 And I know nothing about Tolkein's languages. 21:07:26 nite nite - gotta hit the road again... 21:07:28 l8er! 21:07:29 I'm only aware of their script. 21:07:30 --- quit: I440r_ ("Leaving") 21:12:45 --- quit: dasbear ("ChatZilla 0.9.52B [Mozilla rv:1.6/20040330]") 21:15:51 --- quit: arke_ ("Leaving") 21:35:09 --- quit: kc5tja ("THX QSO ES 73 DE KC5TJA/6 CL ES QRT AR SK") 22:05:28 --- join: Serg (~z@212.34.52.140) joined #forth 22:21:19 --- join: Robert (~snofs@c-5d5a71d5.17-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined #forth 22:33:43 --- quit: slava (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 23:04:25 --- quit: Sonarman ("leaving") 23:52:06 --- join: hovil (~hovil@CommSecureAustPtyLtd.sb1.optus.net.au) joined #forth 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/04.04.18