00:00:00 --- log: started forth/04.04.17 00:34:58 --- join: fridge_ (~fridge@dsl-203-33-167-210.NSW.netspace.net.au) joined #forth 00:35:25 --- quit: fridge_ (Client Quit) 00:38:53 --- quit: fridge (Remote closed the connection) 00:42:25 --- join: Herkamir1 (stjohns@h000094d30ba2.ne.client2.attbi.com) joined #forth 00:46:42 --- quit: Herkamire (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 01:15:16 --- nick: Fractal_ -> Fractal 02:15:27 --- join: qFox (C00K13S@cp12172-a.roose1.nb.home.nl) joined #forth 02:21:05 --- join: fridge (~fridge@dsl-203-33-167-210.NSW.netspace.net.au) joined #forth 03:15:27 is there a publically available Forth standards document online other than the forth83 that I found on forth.sourceforge.net, something more recent? 03:16:08 there's no "recent" in forth ;) 03:16:17 you have ansi and fig, as far as standards go 03:16:39 and i believe ppl tend to like fig more then ansi 03:16:47 for whatever reason 03:28:33 --- quit: fridge (Remote closed the connection) 03:30:26 --- join: fridge (~fridge@dsl-203-33-167-210.NSW.netspace.net.au) joined #forth 04:07:23 --- join: crc (crc@0-1pool88-2.nas48.philadelphia1.pa.us.da.qwest.net) joined #forth 04:27:50 --- part: crc left #forth 04:53:22 --- join: dasbear (~chatzilla@adsl-64-219-100-36.dsl.lgvwtx.swbell.net) joined #forth 04:53:45 --- quit: dasbear ("ChatZilla 0.9.52B [Mozilla rv:1.6/20040330]") 04:59:49 --- quit: fridge ("Client exiting") 05:31:46 --- join: Robert__1 (~snofs@c-f55a71d5.17-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined #forth 05:43:21 --- quit: Robert (Nick collision from services.) 05:43:23 --- nick: Robert__1 -> Robert 06:21:38 --- join: yeoh (~yeoh@219.95.6.129) joined #forth 06:21:54 Hello, everyone. :) 06:26:32 yeah! 06:26:35 oh 06:26:39 you changed nick to yeoh 06:26:41 hehe 06:26:45 greetings yeoh ;) 06:28:24 hi mur. :) 06:29:53 * yeoh is thinking about forth all day even when away from the computers. 06:30:10 aha 06:30:36 saw yet another confusingdream but this time i dont remember what happend 06:31:01 * yeoh tells subconscious to remember dreams. :) 06:33:24 Well, I'm continuing with chapter 7 now. :) 06:33:38 duh 06:33:40 shoudl get somethign to eat 06:35:51 mur, what time is it over at your place? 06:36:18 16.36 06:36:22 the shops close at 18.00 06:36:38 It's 21:36 over here. :) 06:36:57 takes around 10 minutes to get to the metrostation where there are shops 06:37:27 I see. Which city? 06:37:32 i was going to clean my ttable too 06:37:46 but had to check some thing from interenet and i'm ircing now :/ 06:37:51 :) 06:40:21 i was thinking i coud lmake tortillas but they came in so large packages only 06:40:36 and i dont think my groceries are enough for 2 days 06:43:02 I see. 06:44:55 there might be some larger 4 packeages 06:45:06 and i shoudl only put less stuffing to them 06:45:09 maybe 06:46:22 I've never tried tortillas. Are they like pitas? 06:46:33 i like pie. 06:47:05 i guess they are a bit like 06:47:08 alike 06:47:36 although you put on them and wrap it around 06:47:37 I see. 06:47:49 I like pizza. 06:48:14 oh yes! 06:48:18 i coudl do pizza too 06:49:27 umm.. perhaps not 06:50:38 I just had pizza for lunch, a seafood special with lots of calamari, crab meat and stuffs. 06:51:18 well i have one sauce i need to use somewhere 06:51:26 i coudl have used it to eat it with chips 06:51:41 but i made accidentally one thing wrong 06:51:50 and it's so sticky i can't eat it with chips 06:52:12 used sour whole milk instaed of sour cream 06:52:23 ligth sour whole milk is in finnish kevytviili 06:52:28 while sour cream is kermaviili 06:52:36 so you can understand why i made the wrong choise :) 06:52:45 :) 07:13:03 Wow! Forth's double length numbers operations and numbers formatting are cool! 07:14:20 * yeoh is still pondering over the many new stuff in chapter 7. 07:17:46 --- join: wossname (wossname@HSE-MTL-ppp60689.qc.sympatico.ca) joined #forth 07:21:04 Awesome! Very awesome! 07:21:45 * yeoh is going on to chapter 8. 07:51:20 * yeoh finished chapter 8. Time to call it a very interesting day! 07:51:26 Bye all. :) 07:51:29 --- part: yeoh left #forth 08:36:17 --- quit: wossname ("hack me a planet, i'll be back for breakfast") 10:29:13 --- join: ASau (~asau@158.250.48.204) joined #forth 10:29:18 Dobryjj vecher! 10:35:00 Privet, ASau. Kak ty? 10:36:15 --- quit: SDO ("Vision[0.9.6-0203]: i've been blurred!") 10:50:53 --- quit: Fractal (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11:00:49 hey hey 11:03:25 Hi 11:03:41 http://www.k3pgp.org/ <-- check the astronomy section. Make sure the speakers are on. :) 11:19:55 --- join: root_ (~root@ts46-01-qdr206.wlawla.wa.charter.com) joined #forth 11:20:04 --- nick: root_ -> I440r 11:20:11 <-- reinstalling gentoo 11:20:28 on new boxc 11:20:30 er box 11:29:46 hrm you guys are all boring :P 11:29:48 bbl :) 11:29:52 --- part: I440r left #forth 11:32:27 --- join: I440r (~root@ts46-01-qdr206.wlawla.wa.charter.com) joined #forth 11:40:14 Yep, we're boring 11:40:25 yup 11:40:29 :) 11:40:32 * Robert is TRYING to construct a working amplifier 11:40:38 i 200 gig drive just went belly up last night 11:40:49 still under warrantee but the data wasnt :/ 11:41:10 sounds like a HARDWARE problem to me :) 11:41:25 use duct tape 11:41:27 that will fix it 11:41:28 :P 12:07:25 --- join: Fractal (~doug@h24-66-228-205.ok.shawcable.net) joined #forth 12:10:32 --- quit: I440r ("brb") 12:18:46 --- join: I440r (~x@ts46-01-qdr206.wlawla.wa.charter.com) joined #forth 12:20:48 --- join: I440r_ (~x@ts46-01-qdr206.wlawla.wa.charter.com) joined #forth 12:28:14 --- quit: I440r (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 12:30:44 --- join: SDO (SDO@chcgil2-ar7-4-34-128-174.chcgil2.dsl-verizon.net) joined #forth 12:33:50 --- join: kc5tja (~kc5tja@66-91-231-74.san.rr.com) joined #forth 12:33:57 --- mode: ChanServ set +o kc5tja 12:34:12 hi kc 12:34:15 Howdy 12:34:30 I just finished installing a weblog on my website. 12:34:32 http://www.falvotech.com 12:34:38 Did some major HTML hacking. 12:34:53 Also have my site backed up and placed in a darcs repository. 12:35:05 Using rsync to update the site after making changes locally. 12:35:12 Things are much more streamlined now. 12:37:42 * kc5tja is going for food. 12:37:55 I'll be back here in about 20 to 40 minutes 12:37:59 k 13:03:36 back 13:06:25 hey 14:08:53 --- quit: OrngeTide ("bleh") 14:23:29 --- join: TheBlueWizard (TheBlueWiz@pc20dn1d.ppp.FCC.NET) joined #forth 14:23:30 --- mode: ChanServ set +o TheBlueWizard 14:23:34 hiya all 14:23:58 hey tbw! 14:24:34 re TheBlueWizard 14:24:44 hiya I440r_ :) 14:24:48 hiya kc5tja 14:24:50 TheBlueWizard: Check out the all new and improved http://www.falvotech.com 14:25:18 * TheBlueWizard is checking it out 14:27:17 hmm...the little box with "Home Page", "Weblog /", "News", .. covers the headline "What Happened to ...?" 14:27:34 TheBlueWizard: Not on any browser I have. 14:27:38 What are you viewing it with? 14:27:54 And be specific. 14:28:02 IE 5.5 != IE 6.0, for example. 14:28:18 (and I already am thinking it's IE, because that's so far the *only* browser that gives fits) 14:28:37 IE 5.01 14:28:54 Sounds to me like it has broken CSS support. 14:29:08 * TheBlueWizard nods 14:29:24 There is not much I can do about that in that case. :( 14:29:42 * TheBlueWizard gets around this problem by highlighting relevant text behind the box and pasting it onto Notepad 14:29:54 Iick, that's ugly. :( 14:30:05 ie fscks all over my page too 14:30:10 I had someone else view it with IE, and who did not report that problem. 14:30:33 qFox in particular. His only complaint was that it had a horizontal scroll bar for some reason. 14:30:43 I wonder what version of IE he was using. 14:30:50 I440r_: What version of IE are you using? 14:31:18 err no idea 14:31:21 how do i tell ? 14:31:21 * TheBlueWizard isn't complaining 14:31:29 umm Go to Help > About...? :) 14:32:07 * kc5tja adds warning message on index.html page for users of IE 5.01 14:32:17 6.0.2800.1106.xpsp2.030422-1633 <-- only ms would have a bullshit version number like that :/ 14:32:28 I440r_: Can you post me a screenshot? 14:32:35 hang on 14:32:42 I440r_: IE6 ought to work with this. It's *BONE* stock CSS and XHTML 1.0. 14:32:44 maybe - if xp can do one 14:33:14 how do i grab a screenshot in xp ? 14:33:42 Should just be CTRL-PrtScreen to put the picture in the clipboard, then paste it (CTRL-V) in Paint or some such. 14:33:54 aha ok hang on brb 14:36:20 cant accept dcc ? 14:36:59 E-mail it to me. 14:37:22 message me the address heh 14:37:30 It's on my website. :) 14:37:44 http://www.falvotech.com/contact.html 14:38:41 ok yor web page wont let me copy your email address into the clipboard 14:38:45 its obviously an image 14:38:55 thats REALLY annoying but i understand why lol 14:39:23 it is in BMP format (uncompressed :) 14:39:31 please pick a more readable font for the email address image though, is that arrlnet ? 14:41:17 ? 14:42:18 No, arrl.net 14:42:23 That is kinda hard to read. 14:42:29 It's Luxi Sans 14 pt. 14:42:36 ok hh 14:42:39 brb 14:43:10 * kc5tja will change it later. It's on my to-do list. 14:45:27 TheBlueWizard: Actually, my e-mail pictures are in fully compressed PNG files. 14:47:16 grr my web based email is fucking up now, i hit the attach button and it just SITS there 14:48:41 kc5tja: I am talking about I440r_'s captured picture 14:50:29 sent 14:51:03 OK. checking. 14:51:32 Oh, wait, you sent it via arrl.net -- it'll be a bit before I get it. 14:54:20 ok 14:54:51 TheBlueWizard: Does the weblog get all wonky on you too? 14:55:57 no, just that little box sitting in upper left corner covering the headline and some text 14:56:12 it is otherwise fine 14:56:58 See, that's just plain freaky, because I'm not doing a *thing* differently in my stylesheets. 14:57:30 --- quit: slava ("Leaving") 14:57:49 Can you do me a favor, and visit this URL? http://www.catb.org/~esr/ and tell me if the same thing happens? 14:59:50 --- join: schihei (~schihei@web.kst.fh-albsig.de) joined #forth 15:00:29 http://freedos.org/ -- LOLLL (the logo) 15:00:36 hi anyway 15:03:50 onetom: I love that logo! That's the cutest product masot there is! Tux can't compete! 15:04:17 sure :) 15:04:31 tux sux ;)) 15:04:44 I think the logo for FreeDOS-32 is stupid though. 15:04:52 kc5tja: I checked ESR's blog page with my IE browser...it looks just fine...even the box lays out on the left side and all that 15:05:06 I think it should be a whole school of FreeDOS fish, not some inner-city punk-ass wearing a C:\> t-shirt. 15:05:37 TheBlueWizard: What about the *rest* of the site? 15:06:16 TheBlueWizard: I am using ESR's CSS stylesheet with only minimal changes, none of which affect font size, panel placement, etc. 15:07:15 oops...I mean ESR main page...it is fine 15:07:26 * TheBlueWizard hmms 15:09:49 Wow. My site is amazingly navicable with a text-mode browser too. 15:10:05 * kc5tja tested it with links. I'm sure w3m and lynx will be similar. 15:11:57 --- quit: ianp (Remote closed the connection) 15:12:03 * TheBlueWizard decides to experiment with a copy of Falvotech's webpage, trying to see what causes the difference 15:16:12 Sweet. I'd be interested in hearing your results. 15:19:00 right now I'm chatting with my buddy, but I will get back to it 15:21:51 That's cool. 15:22:02 Just send me an e-mail or something when/if you get anything. 15:23:04 ok 15:23:25 I440r_: I'm not at all sure how this happened, but it turns out the fixed-width font Courier New is just as hard to read as the original text. 15:23:30 Nonetheless, I uploaded the new e-mail images. 15:33:47 --- join: ianp (~ian@c-24-13-109-164.client.comcast.net) joined #forth 15:39:19 --- quit: SDO (Remote closed the connection) 15:39:27 --- join: SDO (SDO@chcgil2-ar7-4-34-128-174.chcgil2.dsl-verizon.net) joined #forth 15:44:39 * TheBlueWizard is now playing with a copy of webpage 15:45:54 * kc5tja needs to leave for work in 30 to 45 minutes. 15:46:26 ok 16:04:49 --- quit: ianp (Remote closed the connection) 16:04:54 kc5tja> that one page has its menu box hovering over half the first chars on each line of the main page in my ie... 16:05:07 like the W shows only the V and so forth 16:05:54 and that freaky horizontal scrollbar exists there too ;) 16:06:31 which is likely due to that bar on top, with the name and date, where i think the right outlining of the date, is the reason for that bar 16:06:39 I've noticed IE seems to have that horizontal scroll bar quite often, so I know it's not just my site. 16:06:46 --- join: ianp (~ian@c-24-13-109-164.client.comcast.net) joined #forth 16:11:42 * TheBlueWizard wonders what is the file: URI syntax for accessing local files, since he is using to have his local copy fetch various stuff from FalvoTech site 16:12:03 I'm mucking around with the local copy of CSS file, that's why 16:12:38 I don't know what you mean. 16:12:51 Oh 16:12:55 file:/// 16:13:43 tried that...doesn't seem to work...maybe I'm typing it in wrong somewhere 16:14:04 16:14:25 where wbench2 is a directory in root directory 16:14:56 I don't know then, sorry. I would confer with your browser's documentation on that one. 16:15:15 TheBlueWizard: are you using windows?, because you must use absolut addresses 16:17:00 btw, file should only us for local internet pages, because it always refers to a harddisk 16:17:42 yes, it is a local file, and no, I don't have any shitty docs for that IE browser :) 16:18:31 but you don't wanna to pu 16:18:44 put the page online? 16:19:46 no, I open it locally 16:20:20 but you can use relative addresses, works offline and online 16:20:31 using file:/// is not nice 16:21:09 found a way: 16:21:18 this one works :) 16:21:57 normally you have the html and the css in the same directory, in you case in wbench2 16:22:42 then you type 16:23:17 yes...but it has other links (I haven't scanned all of it), so I decided the fastest way is to it then selectively localize it 16:24:27 yeah, but if you move all pages in a different directory or harddrive all links are fucked up, and the homepage is not usable, keep this in behind 16:25:39 it is just a throwaway webpage, ok? once I determine the cause of this weird box misplacing, I can tell kc5tja about it and I can then delete them from my hard drive 16:26:34 ok :) 16:27:47 --- join: slava (~slava@69.196.155.184) joined #forth 16:27:48 hey 16:28:03 I think I found the culprit :)))) 16:28:11 me? 16:28:55 slava: ha ha...I wish...but no, you aren't the culprit 16:29:29 kc5tja: the body>#Header {height:14px;} line in fs.css was commented out...when I uncommented it, everything look good 16:29:47 TheBlueWizard: But that doesn't have anything to do with the box placement at all. 16:29:49 * TheBlueWizard will email kc5tja for a good measure 16:29:54 Thanks. 16:30:10 oddly, it does! at least on my browser anyway 16:30:11 But I still do not see how that has *any* relavence to the placement of the box. 16:30:20 * TheBlueWizard shrugs 16:30:22 Anyway, I'm off to work. 16:30:31 --- quit: kc5tja ("THX QSO ES 73 DE KC5TJA/6 CL ES QRT AR SK") 16:40:33 * TheBlueWizard 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