00:00:00 --- log: started forth/04.04.06 00:12:07 --- quit: kc5tja ("THX QSO ES 73 DE KC5TJA/6 CL ES QRT AR SK") 00:33:54 --- quit: yeoh (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 00:33:54 --- quit: ChanServ (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 00:33:54 --- quit: Robert (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 00:33:55 --- quit: o-- (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 00:33:55 --- quit: thin (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 00:37:00 --- join: thin (thin@bespin.org) joined #forth 00:37:00 --- join: yeoh (~yeoh@219.95.7.182) joined #forth 00:37:00 --- join: Robert (~snofs@c-f55a71d5.17-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined #forth 00:37:00 --- join: o-- (o@virgo.bombsquad.org) joined #forth 00:37:00 --- join: ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) joined #forth 00:37:00 --- mode: irc.freenode.net set +oo thin ChanServ 01:02:13 --- join: fridge (~fridge@dsl-203-113-230-69.NSW.netspace.net.au) joined #forth 01:03:10 --- quit: fridge (Client Quit) 01:03:17 --- join: fridge (~fridge@dsl-203-113-230-69.NSW.netspace.net.au) joined #forth 01:06:06 --- quit: warpzero (Remote closed the connection) 02:00:55 bye 02:01:00 --- quit: yeoh ("Client exited") 03:12:38 --- join: networm (~networm@L0649P23.dipool.highway.telekom.at) joined #forth 03:29:25 --- join: warpzero (~warpzero@dsl.142.mt.onewest.net) joined #forth 03:31:37 --- join: qFox (C00K13S@cp12172-a.roose1.nb.home.nl) joined #forth 03:36:02 --- join: yeoh (~yeoh@219.95.3.89) joined #forth 03:49:29 --- quit: Frek ("Client exiting") 03:55:18 --- part: yeoh left #forth 04:02:09 --- join: Frek (~anvil@h33n2fls31o815.telia.com) joined #forth 05:34:20 --- join: ASau (~asau@158.250.48.196) joined #forth 05:34:31 Dobryjj den'! 05:35:28 Privet, ASau. :) 06:12:53 --- quit: warpzero ("Tried to warn you about Chino and Daddy Gee, but I can't seem to get to you through the U.S. Mail.") 06:38:28 --- quit: fridge (Remote closed the connection) 07:31:48 --- join: fridge (~hovil@CommSecureAustPtyLtd.sb1.optus.net.au) joined #forth 08:01:02 --- quit: networm (Remote closed the connection) 08:17:24 --- join: networm (~networm@L0649P23.dipool.highway.telekom.at) joined #forth 08:31:32 my tick thingie works! 08:31:34 :D 08:32:02 its slow, very slow, but it works 08:40:25 well ok, not quite perfect appearantly... :) 08:40:53 --- join: Super (SDO@chcgil2-ar7-4-34-136-109.chcgil2.dsl-verizon.net) joined #forth 08:41:00 Hey Trey 08:41:10 --- nick: Super -> SDO 08:42:40 --- join: kc5tja (~kc5tja@66-91-231-74.san.rr.com) joined #forth 08:42:47 --- mode: ChanServ set +o kc5tja 08:44:11 Hello, SDO. 08:44:27 Trey, how is life, PS treating you well? 08:45:03 bbl, have a great day. 08:45:49 re SDO 08:45:51 re TreyB 08:55:32 SDO: well enough, but pretty busy at the moment (hence the lag). 08:59:31 * fridge procrastinates 09:04:44 luckily 09:05:06 I have bought in a DVD full of ultratechnology forth videos to watch 09:05:10 muhahaha 09:08:44 Hehe 09:08:55 I ripped all the videos I wanted off the site and burned my own CD-ROM. :) 09:33:42 --- join: ianp (~user@inpuj.net) joined #forth 10:55:37 --- quit: kc5tja ("leaving") 11:01:08 --- join: kc5tja (~kc5tja@66-91-231-74.san.rr.com) joined #forth 11:01:12 --- mode: ChanServ set +o kc5tja 11:07:44 --- quit: networm (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 11:09:44 --- join: slava (~slava@CPE00096ba44261-CM000e5cdfda14.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #forth 11:09:44 hey 11:12:45 --- join: networm (~networm@L0666P13.dipool.highway.telekom.at) joined #forth 11:14:06 hey networm 11:14:23 hi 11:21:00 --- join: Sonarman (1000@adsl-64-160-165-182.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) joined #forth 12:02:41 IRC is so boring at this time of the morning =( 12:02:57 yawn 12:02:58 hey fridge 12:03:16 heh 12:03:16 well it's boring because you guys make it boring! 12:03:20 damn you all :P 12:03:21 sorry 12:03:26 I'll try harder in the future 12:03:28 =) 12:03:32 heh 12:03:42 well what do you like to talk about? 12:03:50 well, channels with local friends are all asleep at this hour 12:03:53 being 5 am 12:04:05 bleh 12:04:13 time to get some more friends... or /join #ensomniacs 12:04:15 i was talking about #forth being boring this time :P 12:04:32 ensomaniacs? not insomaniacs? 12:04:35 IRC in general is rather quiet tonight though 12:05:00 s/tonight/whatever time it happens to be for you/ 12:05:09 its noon for me 12:05:11 thin, thanks! yes insomniacs 12:10:47 re SDO -- again. :D 12:11:21 got a job interview next week 12:11:35 would only be doing shift work one week out of three if I got it 12:11:41 and a substantial pay increase 12:11:50 so, while not ideal, a lot better =) 12:11:52 Lucky you. :( 12:12:23 someone go to http://thin.dist.net/sitedesign.txt and tell me which part of the site i should work on first 12:12:35 the fun bits 12:12:36 * thin is a bit lazy about picking which to work on first 12:12:57 none of them are the fun bits 12:13:02 the fun bit was installing the CMS 12:13:02 heh 12:13:13 the actual site work is more tedious :P 12:13:47 begin at the beginning 12:13:51 end at the end 12:14:44 lol 12:15:02 bah nobody is helpful :~( 12:15:14 the hero must toil all alone 12:15:19 but kc5tja already knows this ;) 12:15:31 Yes, I do. 12:15:40 * kc5tja is working on his UART design's data sheet right now. 12:15:50 This is taking way longer than the actual development of the part. 12:15:54 yeah 12:15:54 you are my role model! :D 12:16:17 mine too! 12:16:59 cuz you keep on working on the tedious design etc :P 12:17:06 Heh 12:17:11 I'm glad to know I'm a role model for someone. 12:17:26 * kc5tja has been considering setting up a donation link. 12:17:48 * kc5tja is way below my budget's required income level right now. 12:18:12 Failure to meet my income goals in a month will spell almost certain disaster for me. 12:18:22 better not fail in that case 12:18:44 I have no choice in the matter. 12:20:02 how will you meet your income goals in a month aside from donation? 12:20:11 you won't have the K box to sell 12:20:13 kc5tja, , what is the problemo? 12:20:15 Donations alone won't cut it. 12:20:22 HOw about setting up a paypal account and beg for money from folks here? 12:20:27 but maybe you'll have the design of the chip to sell ? 12:20:32 Kinda like a 'work for money' sign thing? 12:20:40 I need to make at least $800/month, absolute minimum. 12:21:01 well, I'll pitch in 10 bucks, are there 80 people a month that will toss you 10 bucks or 6-12 months? 12:21:13 SDO: Well, that's more or less what I was thinking of. Only since others here still want to see the Kestrel design finished, I'd choose to continue to work on that. 12:21:17 Unless someone *really* objected. 12:21:18 what is the $800 necessary for? is in-n-out paying enough to live on? 12:22:14 thin: It would *if* I worked 30 hours a week minimum. The amount of cash covers $450/month rent, $100/month utilities, about $100/month gas and minimal car maintenance, and the rest is savings for an emergency. 12:22:19 So I guess I could take a bit less. 12:22:20 kc5tja, , well get the PayPal thing rolling, and I'll be the first to toss you 10 bucks. 12:22:46 80 people a month with 10 bucks pays for a LOT of what you want and need. 12:22:56 That way you can stay focused, and we can all be your boss! 12:23:01 SDO: yeah. I just need the recurring income, that's all. :) 12:23:02 you forgot food 12:23:13 food, yah, 200 in food. 12:23:14 thin: Yeah, I did. I guess that eats into the remaining $150. 12:23:23 kc5tja, just get the account set up, and I'll toss you 10 bucks a month. 12:23:32 well how much does in-n-out get you? 12:23:33 So will loads others, 10 bucks is like 30 mins of my time and energy. 12:23:34 or less. 12:23:43 It used to be about 3 mins of my time. 12:23:49 them days are over, at least for now. 12:24:05 thin: Assuming $8.50/hour, which is what Im' currently at, that would get me $1020/month before taxes. 12:24:22 SDO: What days are you talking about? 12:24:58 well, kc5tja, if you know 100-200 people by first name, and I'm sure you do, just ask for 6 months, 10 bucks an hour, and you have your 1000-2000 USD per month. Make sure to do weekly updates to a mailinglist of names that donate, and make progress so momentum stays with you and your work. 12:25:19 just don't give our names to other charities 12:25:20 kc5tja, when I used to make 100+ USD per hour, just a short 3-4 years ago :( 12:25:29 fridge, exactly. 12:25:40 SDO: No, sorry, I don't know that many people by name. 12:25:42 like when I gave my name to greenpeace once 12:25:47 I know, maybe, 10. 12:25:50 all of a sudden I started getting calls from all these other charities 12:26:01 so why do you need $800 ? 12:26:01 kc5tja, most people know 1000-2000+ people by first name, the question is if you want to ask or not. 12:26:01 you need to get income from this K and chipset stuff in a month or you'll abandon it ? 12:26:12 anyway, your mind is the limit, not the volume of exposure. 12:26:20 SDO: No, I'm serious; I really don't know that many people, let alone on a first-name basis. 12:26:20 fridge: maybe it was a conspiracy and greenpeace owns all the other charities ;) 12:26:44 charity has got to be a great business.. no product or service to sell.. just collect ppls money! 12:26:49 thin: TO LIVE! Why else? 12:27:14 kc5tja: aren't you getting enough to live from in'n'out? 12:27:24 thin: No, but I can only do the mental work without pay. I can't afford PC boards or components unless I have cash to play with. And right now, I'm in debt, so I can't play. 12:27:30 thin: Not at the present time, no. 12:27:38 What do you think I've been talking about? :) 12:28:00 kc5tja, , you doing hte in-and-out burger thing? 12:28:14 bbl 12:28:19 SDO: Been doing it, for a few months now. 12:28:27 thought you said you got 1000 before tax from in'n'out but i guess that's not counting the current hours you have? 12:28:54 thin: I also qualified, which you completely ignored, by saying that that is *IF* I work 30 hours a week, for four weeks. 12:29:02 Which I *can't* do because I'm in school. 12:29:15 Once the semester is over, then I can go 30 hours a week, or even full-time. 12:29:23 which I'll probably end up doing. 12:30:09 a friend of my friend sells things on ebay as his full time job 12:30:13 kc5tja, super simple, find 50-100 people ot donate 10 bucks a month, spend 3-4 hours every 2 weeks a newsletter about your progress on the project (using your log files would be helpful too), and of course how important this work is to your life and computing in general. 12:30:17 Then the money will be recurring. 12:30:28 ooh newsletter 12:30:33 that would be nice :D 12:30:43 thin: Get that site up, and I'll use the blog as my newsletter. 12:30:48 I already agreed to do so. :) 12:30:50 i woundn't count on paypal for steady income 12:30:51 yeah ok :) 12:31:04 i get maybe 100 bucks a month in the jedit paypal 12:31:16 * thin thinks of "Kc5tja's Corner" on the site ;) 12:31:20 slava: Right now, $100/month is *AWESOMELY* powerful for me. 12:31:22 slava, thats because jedit sucks 12:31:26 * fridge runs away 12:31:41 slava: That *will* be a major help to me. Seriously. 12:31:51 kc5tja, i thought above you said $800 a month :) 12:32:09 slava: You honestly think I'll quit work if I make only an extra $100/month? 12:32:19 I said, in no uncertain terms, that I need $800/month to live. 12:32:27 I *NEVER* specified restrictions on HOW I got that cash. 12:32:57 $100 from PayPal, $150 from miscellanious services, $400 or so from INO, ... hey, it all adds up. 12:33:48 * kc5tja will do the research on PayPal later tonight, after work. Right now, I'm still hacking on the UART device's data sheet. :) 12:33:55 And I need to get ready to go to work soon enough too. 12:41:09 hopefully you can convert that $10,000 licensing idea into yours :D 12:41:39 what was it called at again? licensing chip design? 12:43:34 It's just licensing an "IP Core." 12:43:49 But the specific domain of the application was very narrow. I doubt I'd get $10K for my UART design. 12:43:56 Especially when there are free UARTs on opencores.org. :) 12:45:06 yeah.. i guess your UART should be special somehow? 12:45:29 you said $100 per license would be great.. 12:45:50 how quick can you get your UART design done so that you're licensing them out at $100? ;) 12:46:13 Current indications tell me at least a couple of months. 12:46:42 --- join: mindbomb (none@host81-153-36-198.range81-153.btcentralplus.com) joined #forth 12:47:09 hi 12:50:00 --- quit: mindbomb (Client Quit) 13:24:51 Well, I'm half-way done with my preliminary data sheet. 13:25:14 Well, 40% really. 13:25:35 what kind of data? 13:25:38 The other 40% will be describing how the receiver portion works, and the last 20% will contain timing diagrams, and the description of the baud rate generator. 13:25:54 hmm 13:26:03 Programming interface, electrical specifications, etc. 13:26:56 get rid of the programming interface.. make it unprogrammable :D 13:27:11 it'll be so smart it'll know what the software wants 13:27:57 woah i'm bored 13:27:58 heh 13:29:01 bought some cool books today on PIC programming and HC11 programming. 13:29:22 Also some robotics books. Oh what fun, read and return, read and return. Love the Borders 'borrow' policy of buy a book, return it without questions. 13:30:27 heh 13:30:38 so you got the best library then :D 13:30:43 fresh new books 13:30:46 yes, I have a nice 'library' 13:31:04 yes, nice books. I have 5 books to read in 5 days, then return, and maybe even trade for some more books to 'borrow'. 13:31:09 I love the policy of corp america. 13:31:29 bbl when I'm done with book #1 tonight. 13:31:57 SDO: :) 13:35:42 I wonder how much cash Borders will loose that way. 13:36:38 what does figforth or forth83 have for [char] ? 13:38:58 I think they call it ASCII. 13:39:11 Or [ASCII] 13:39:36 ooh the last entry at http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?ExampleForthCode is pretty good 13:39:43 for good forth programming practice.. 13:39:51 teaching it anyways 13:40:24 OHYEAH! I remember when I wrote that! 13:40:40 That was like...last year or so. 13:40:59 heh :) 13:41:05 you wrote it? cool 13:41:09 i half thought you might've.. 13:41:48 Yeah. I surprised nobody responded to it though. 13:41:53 Not that anyone should... 13:42:27 you're so expecting that someone wants to argue with you :P 14:05:40 slava, where's your online code browser? 14:15:22 --- join: warpzero (~warpzero@dsl.142.mt.onewest.net) joined #forth 15:18:49 --- join: GEN (full@host81-153-36-198.range81-153.btcentralplus.com) joined #forth 15:19:05 ello 15:19:26 what time dose i440r get in ??? 15:19:47 he cant still be at work 15:20:29 --- nick: GEN -> we59 15:20:34 :)) 15:21:06 ere thin iv chatted to u before u ere??? 15:21:59 ello 15:22:21 --- quit: fridge ("Leaving") 15:23:32 r u awake?? 15:23:50 is any 1 awake?? 15:24:28 hmmm 15:24:31 Off to work. 15:24:40 --- quit: kc5tja ("THX QSO ES 73 DE KC5TJA/6 CL ES QRT AR SK") 15:24:53 off to work its bed time ere 15:25:35 r y all on the east coast 15:27:16 ok this should get a sparck goin for you pll.... do u realy think that forth will be abul to control nono bots :)) i think not 15:28:24 is any one ere religus?? 15:28:48 is any 1 ere?? 15:30:05 is any 1 ere? 15:30:22 is any 1 ere 15:30:39 is any 1 er 15:30:49 is any 1 e 15:31:04 shall i go on 15:31:43 cum om sum one chat with me 15:33:10 hi we59 15:33:54 anyway i think back wud polish notation will never wor 4 the new bots 15:34:10 ? 15:34:26 oh sorry hi slava 15:35:55 Slave u up 2 no good i hope?? 15:37:07 lay off the drugs man 15:37:40 im just ere waitin on a old mate of mime is all 15:38:33 i dont take drugs there just 4 kidds mate 15:39:12 anf fools 15:39:30 and=anf 15:40:33 anyway now iv got your attention... what is this place like??? 15:42:50 im just sat ere waitin 2 chat with i440r is all keeps tellin me to popo in im here now 15:43:52 slave what do u do then any intrests?? 15:44:39 --- quit: networm ("Client exiting") 15:45:11 u r in a forth room so u must av an intrest in robots??? 15:46:50 heh 15:47:14 hi iamp 15:47:23 hello 15:47:29 this place is slow man, dont expect immediate responses 15:47:48 activity comes in spurts 15:48:07 i'd recommend reading stuff on the web about forth - like at forth.com 15:48:10 yep i understand 15:48:17 is a good starter 15:49:08 iv no intrest in programin im just ere to say ello 2 an old friend is all :)) 15:50:50 i used to be 15:52:05 i went to school with im is all 15:53:10 if ya see im tell im we59 came in to say hi 15:53:27 be good out there in cyberland 15:54:04 cos there r pll like me out there dun dun der :))) 15:54:23 ****GONE**** 15:54:26 --- part: we59 left #forth 15:54:40 haha 15:54:43 who 15:54:45 i44? 15:55:10 it's amazing how english you can sound on a keyboard 15:56:25 --- join: blockhead (default@dialin-520-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net) joined #forth 15:57:32 he did NOT sound english to me 15:57:36 and i'm not even english. 15:57:51 im not either 15:57:58 Hehe 15:58:00 in fact, that was bad. 15:58:07 but note the use of "av" instead of "have"... 15:58:15 ere 15:58:17 "im" instead of him 15:58:31 * blockhead fakes a british accent. "evening chaps!" 15:58:40 yeah, the ere is a dead giveaway 15:58:40 Evening, block! 15:58:48 blockhead: cheerio mate 15:59:06 * ianp bastardizes a cockney accent with his southern american drawl 15:59:28 Heh 16:01:51 * blockhead used to do british accents a lot. Then he heard a recording of himself doing it and realized how stupid it sounded. 16:01:56 doh! 16:01:59 :) 16:04:50 hahaha 16:15:00 allo me blokes, care for a crumpet, wot!? Blimey! 16:15:27 :) 16:18:26 Hey, anybody know the nitty gritty of how FLOAD generally works? Does it load a file into a 1K BUFFER in chunks and interpret? 16:18:42 ie. does it use the BLOCK stuff? 16:28:27 Oh really? So that's how it works... 16:46:50 --- join: fridge (~fridge@dsl-203-33-161-220.NSW.netspace.net.au) joined #forth 16:51:53 --- join: Bush_Democrazy (Aldo@201008242129.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined #forth 16:52:02 hi... 16:52:20 --- nick: Bush_Democrazy -> AldoBR 17:08:06 --- join: ianp` (~ian@c-24-13-109-164.client.comcast.net) joined #forth 17:13:19 Heh 17:13:26 Someone loves mr Bush! 17:13:43 ? 17:13:54 01:52:19 -!- Bush_Democrazy is now known as AldoBR 17:13:54 its a ironic nickname :P 17:14:03 Obviously 17:14:13 http://www.iraqwar.ru/?userlang=en 17:14:25 mossad is trying to cover the other side of the history... 17:14:42 Can't open that page 17:14:49 yep 17:14:51 me too 17:14:53 Heh. 17:14:57 DOS 17:15:00 denial of service 17:15:05 Mossad? They're not the only one. 17:19:03 maybe Half-Life Counter Strike could explain why yankes are so trigger happy... 17:19:14 Heh 17:19:29 Maybe their entire history can explain more. ;( 17:19:41 --- part: blockhead left #forth 17:20:11 i have nothing against the people in usa, they are a country of immigrants like Brazil, but the goverment... 17:20:19 thats another history... 17:20:48 Sure, but remember, about 24% of the people voted for the current criminals in charge 17:20:54 And what does that say about the people? 17:21:12 says that they are ruled by fear 17:21:36 nothing my own people didnt done before too, nothing any people haven't done before... 17:21:43 Fear of? 17:21:56 not being intouchable 17:22:13 fear of not being as omnipotent as they think they are 17:22:31 there is a psicoanalithical thesis about this... 17:22:43 That's why they ruin their country as well as its reputation? Sounds like a good thing to do... 17:22:51 Anyway, going to brush my teeth now 17:22:56 ok 17:22:56 Getting late over here 17:38:33 --- quit: Sonarman (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17:41:55 --- join: Sonarman (1000@adsl-64-160-166-49.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) joined #forth 17:48:21 --- join: yeoh (~yeoh@219.95.0.169) joined #forth 17:49:56 ohyeaahh nothing feels better then raping your crappy system with a game of farcry 17:50:15 256 ram, watch windows cry for virtmem 17:50:17 har 17:50:17 :D 17:50:42 on teh downside, loading the next level (unless already cached) takes an hour or so 17:50:47 but hey :) 17:52:39 he enlarged my virtual memmory to 750mb, haha 17:53:03 farcry used 800 at its top 17:53:24 and fps lags kills me so hard. 17:54:36 defer (main) 17:54:36 : main: : here body> is (main) ; 17:54:36 : :main :noname dup is (main) ; 17:54:36 : end; postpone ; drop ; immediate 17:55:40 How can I get rid of END; ? I need it only to belatedly drop the CFA that :noname produces. I can't drop it beforehand, or else ; will not balance with :noname. 17:56:48 phooey 17:57:15 i'm not quite sure what you mean wtih : main: : 17:57:23 colon def inside a colon def? 17:58:16 --- quit: ianp` (Remote closed the connection) 17:58:30 Ack... that line wasn't supposed to be there. Ignore that. :) 17:58:43 oki :) 17:58:50 But yes, colon def inside a colon def. I'm defining my own defining word. 17:58:57 oh 17:59:00 :P 17:59:01 defer (main) 17:59:01 : :main :noname dup is (main) ; 17:59:01 : end; postpone ; drop ; immediate 17:59:18 my brain doenst suport recursion 17:59:28 There's no recursion involved. 17:59:29 mine doesnt know what defer does :) 17:59:43 Speaking of colon inside a colon, check this one out: 17:59:43 : (enter) ." Entering: " ; 17:59:43 : : : here body> postpone (enter) postpone literal postpone .name ; 17:59:45 :) 17:59:46 and yes i know its a standard word, just never used it.. 18:00:26 too many difficult words ;) 18:01:17 DEFER is basically this: 18:01:17 : DEFER CREATE ['] (NOOP) , DOES> @ EXECUTE ; 18:02:05 : IS ' >BODY ! ; 18:02:11 DEFER FOO 18:02:14 ' DUP IS FOO 18:02:22 1 FOO 18:02:26 ( 1 1 ) 18:02:36 create a variable by looking up the string and get the adr, then putting that adress to the string, and when used, execute that adr? 18:02:44 sounds useless to me that way 18:03:14 It's a method of vectoring words. 18:03:28 you'll get a psychosys... 18:03:34 hm ok i'll take your word for it, pun intended 18:03:36 :P 18:03:37 It's also used as a prototype or forward reference for words that don't exist yet. 18:03:45 oh 18:03:51 that sorta makes sense 18:04:20 So, with that FOO I defined, I can change its behaviour later on, and all words that call FOO will have the new behaviour. 18:04:38 oki 18:04:39 interesting... 18:04:42 bbl 18:04:53 but 18:04:58 like a abstract method 18:05:01 qFox: one way in which it's used in some implementations is for EMIT. it's useful say, if you wanted to redirect all output to a file, you could define a word that prints to a file, and then to ' EMIT>FILE IS EMIT 18:05:22 you'd have to put in a jump, because you cant rely (infact can be quite sure thats its not), on the next space being free when you want to define foo... 18:05:26 /and then to/and then do 18:06:27 but thats just aliasing... 18:06:46 or is that what it is? :) 18:07:05 forth have object orientation ? 18:07:06 create an alias for a word, overiding the original word, for temporal or permanent usage... 18:07:34 it's not just aliasing because with aliasing, only words defined AFTER you do the aliasing have the new behavior. with defer, previously defined words call the new EMIT or whatever 18:07:48 oh ic 18:07:53 oki nice :) 18:08:17 that'll go in the list with does> titles "fucked up to implement" then :\ 18:08:26 titled. 18:09:35 huh? 18:10:54 nm :) 18:23:09 thin: FIG-Forth tradition is to define : CHAR ... ; IMMEDIATE 18:25:31 Dobroe utro! 18:25:56 Sorry, I'm busy. I'll only listen. 18:31:58 --- quit: qFox ("if at first you dont succeed, quit again") 18:50:01 --- quit: yeoh ("User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby") 18:57:05 qFox, it's super easy to implement. :P 18:57:16 Er. He's gone. Like, duh? 19:05:09 --- join: LOOPHOG (jdamisch@207.191.240.148) joined #forth 19:10:20 --- join: LOOPHAWG (jdamisch@207.191.240.193) joined #forth 19:11:39 --- join: Herkamire (stjohns@h000094d30ba2.ne.client2.attbi.com) joined #forth 19:11:47 hi 19:13:02 --- quit: LOOPHAWG (Client Quit) 19:30:04 --- quit: LOOPHOG (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19:47:56 --- join: ianp` (~ian@c-24-13-109-164.client.comcast.net) joined #forth 19:58:12 --- join: yeoh (~yeoh@219.95.0.169) joined #forth 20:20:00 --- quit: ianp` (Remote closed the connection) 20:21:16 --- join: ianp` (~ian@c-24-13-109-164.client.comcast.net) joined #forth 20:22:54 hey ianp 20:29:06 --- join: Sonarman_ (1000@adsl-64-160-165-8.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) joined #forth 20:30:30 --- quit: ASau () 20:44:58 --- quit: Sonarman (Nick collision from services.) 20:45:03 --- nick: Sonarman_ -> Sonarman 20:51:37 --- quit: yeoh ("Client exited") 21:05:09 --- join: The_Faulkenator (1000@lnhe3-152.2wcm.comporium.net) joined #forth 21:39:08 --- join: yeoh (~yeoh@219.95.0.169) joined #forth 22:26:59 --- quit: Sonarman ("leaving") 22:44:10 --- join: Serg (~z@212.34.52.140) joined #forth 22:44:20 --- quit: slava ("Leaving") 22:44:55 hello, Serg. 22:45:01 hi 22:45:17 * Serg is setting up after moby crash 22:48:05 my HDD died horrible death, Samsung 22:48:41 oh 22:51:45 one day it blue-faced on some video driver 22:55:51 i put out video card and cleared it's fan, coz it was noisy long ago 22:56:08 and i suspected overheat or even worse - seizure 22:56:35 inserted - box beeps, dhamn ! 22:57:12 fan ground wire fell into AGP slot and got bare - SHORT ! 22:57:38 omg 22:57:50 next try - yeah, it survived ! 22:58:04 :) 22:58:32 booted from floppy, erasing old windoze to install new - general failure .... 22:59:01 who the hell is general Failor and why the fsck is her reading my filezzzz ? 22:59:09 (old RU joke) 23:00:16 run MHDD (_excellent_ RU HDD util) - ooops, AMNF, all beginning in red squares... 23:01:23 --- quit: ianp` (Remote closed the connection) 23:02:08 gonna test it whole and make 20- Gb floppy out of it 23:02:32 hey 23:02:38 terve 23:03:19 hi 23:04:46 hi mur. 23:05:21 yeah 23:28:28 lifeForth 23:37:26 --- join: kc5tja (~kc5tja@66-91-231-74.san.rr.com) joined #forth 23:37:32 --- mode: ChanServ set +o kc5tja 23:38:10 hi kc5tja. 23:39:33 http://www.mhdd.com/ 23:39:35 hi 23:41:05 terve kc5tja 23:43:49 Hello 23:44:36 how's your hobbybox ? 23:45:11 * Serg may order if <100$, and show on some demoparty 23:45:18 I haven't been working on it of late, because I'm kind of taking a small digression. 23:45:38 * Serg gonna snatch top prize in wild compo 23:45:38 I have been programming some custom hardware in Verilog. 23:45:45 And it's taking longer than expected. 23:45:45 yeah 23:45:56 The actual coding isn't hard; it's the documentation that takes forever. :) 23:46:22 kc5tja: what about Mur and Assembly in Finland, huge august party in Finland ? 23:46:25 heh 23:46:36 * kc5tja is still working on the (otherwise very simple) UART functionality that will (a) be found in the Kestrel's custom chip, and (b) be offered as a separate chip if folks demand it enough. 23:46:53 good adv in hobby computers world ! 23:47:18 I wish documentation wasn't so hard 23:47:21 it's so valuable 23:47:24 Yeah. I won't make it by this August. 23:47:32 I just lack the funds to make it happen. 23:48:16 * kc5tja needs time to save up enough cash so I can purchase the chip programming environment and hardware. 23:48:27 I also need to research which chips to use for which designs. Not all chips are created equally. 23:48:45 * Serg wishes cheap hobby comp makeabe from worldwide stock-available chips, no oversea orders 23:49:30 this is why Speccy _ROCKS_ in RU - even easier than good radio reciever 23:49:55 Serg: Certainly Russia has access to FPGA and CPLD chips... Aren't all the new Spectrum clones using them? 23:51:08 yeah, it was rocking at 198x-95's time of total crash and powerty 23:51:36 kc5tja: yes, Sprinter is FPGA, but PCB too tiny to make on knee 23:51:50 Speccy is wide DIP 23:52:42 new ones are in cases like on moder PCI cards or even motherboard chipsets, u can't solder them in garage 23:53:38 it requires hi-$$$ equipment to produce, or factory order in mass quantity 23:54:10 Speccy needs only solderstick 23:54:45 many folks made it w/o even PCB, coz it was 'deficit' at soviet times 23:56:14 instead, folks 'sewed' wire from trash electromotors thru any plastic, and soldered chips on the 'tips' 23:59:04 Actually, it is possible to hand solder the lower density FPGAs and CPLDs, even though they are surface mount. 23:59:14 How do you think *I* will pre-assemble the boards? :) 23:59:38 frankenschwine tech out of xtreme misery, but worked ;) 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/04.04.06