00:00:28 --- log: started forth/04.04.05 00:00:28 Hmm...reading up on the WISHBONE interface now. 00:00:49 Damn, it's a sweet bus interface. 00:05:47 Crap, I've got to get to bed. Though I don't have school this morning, I do have many other things to work on. 00:05:53 --- quit: kc5tja ("THX QSO ES 73 DE KC5TJA/6 CL ES QRT AR SK") 00:17:28 --- join: yeoh (~yeoh@219.95.10.231) joined #forth 00:28:35 --- quit: madgarden_ (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 00:28:35 --- quit: ianp (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 00:28:36 --- quit: Frek (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 00:28:36 --- quit: skylan (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 00:28:36 --- quit: chandler (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 00:28:36 --- quit: kuvos (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 00:28:36 --- quit: I440r (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 00:28:36 --- quit: Klaw (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 00:28:36 --- quit: warpzero (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 00:28:37 --- quit: mur (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 00:28:37 --- quit: ChanServ (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 00:28:37 --- quit: yeoh (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 00:28:37 --- quit: fridge (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 00:28:37 --- quit: thin (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 00:28:37 --- quit: o-- (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 00:29:31 --- join: madgarden_ (~madgarden@65.93.147.147) joined #forth 00:29:31 --- join: ianp (nobody@c-24-13-109-164.client.comcast.net) joined #forth 00:29:59 --- join: Frek (~anvil@h33n2fls31o815.telia.com) joined #forth 00:29:59 --- join: skylan (~sjh@vickesh01-4708.tbaytel.net) joined #forth 00:30:05 --- join: chandler (~chandler@chandler.registered) joined #forth 00:30:05 --- join: kuvos (C00K13S@cp12172-a.roose1.nb.home.nl) joined #forth 00:30:06 --- join: I440r (mark4@63-194-165-94.ded.pacbell.net) joined #forth 00:30:06 --- join: Klaw (~anonymous@ip68-225-235-97.oc.oc.cox.net) joined #forth 00:30:06 --- join: warpzero (~warpzero@dsl.142.mt.onewest.net) joined #forth 00:30:06 --- join: mur (~mur@mgw2.uiah.fi) joined #forth 00:30:41 --- join: thin (thin@bespin.org) joined #forth 00:30:41 --- join: yeoh (~yeoh@219.95.10.231) joined #forth 00:30:41 --- join: fridge (~fridge@dsl-203-33-163-195.NSW.netspace.net.au) joined #forth 00:30:41 --- join: o-- (o@virgo.bombsquad.org) joined #forth 00:30:41 --- join: ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) joined #forth 00:30:41 --- mode: irc.freenode.net set +oo thin ChanServ 00:43:55 --- join: Robert (~snofs@c-f55a71d5.17-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined #forth 00:49:18 --- quit: yeoh (Connection timed out) 00:58:54 --- quit: ianp (Remote closed the connection) 01:51:17 --- quit: I440r (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02:40:17 --- join: I440r (mark4@63-194-165-94.ded.pacbell.net) joined #forth 02:51:09 --- mode: ChanServ set +o I440r 03:14:22 --- join: yeoh (~yeoh@219.95.11.149) joined #forth 03:14:44 Hi :) 03:15:04 Hi Robert. :) 03:17:44 * mur read "yeah Robert" 03:18:25 Hi mur ;) 03:20:30 yeah Robert 03:20:35 yeah yeah 03:21:01 yeoh yeah oh yeah 03:21:43 ? 03:23:01 :D 03:23:05 Just messing with you 03:24:32 ;) 03:28:00 Forth ROCKS! 03:29:17 Hehe 03:29:49 Way To Go! Forth! 03:31:50 yeah 03:34:44 --- join: qFox (C00K13S@cp12172-a.roose1.nb.home.nl) joined #forth 03:35:50 Hi qFox. 03:40:22 hi 04:07:10 --- join: networm (~networm@L0625P08.dipool.highway.telekom.at) joined #forth 04:07:57 hi networm. 04:08:05 hello fellow forthers :) 04:16:23 How do I undefine an earlier word that I have defined? 04:16:31 forget 04:16:59 cool! :) Thanks! 04:31:55 yeah! 04:35:43 see you guys later. :) bye. 04:35:49 --- part: yeoh left #forth 04:54:44 --- quit: networm ("Client exiting") 05:12:59 --- join: ASau (~asau@158.250.48.196) joined #forth 05:13:24 Privet, ASau 05:13:33 God dag! 05:23:26 terve 05:40:25 --- quit: fridge (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05:54:21 --- join: yeoh (~Yeoh@219.95.27.137) joined #forth 05:54:40 Hello, everyone. :) 06:00:20 yeah 06:00:22 ;) 06:00:23 terve 06:01:21 --- join: madwork (~madgarden@derby.metrics.com) joined #forth 06:01:54 Hi, madwork. 06:02:49 Hi ya. 06:30:15 Is there a wxForth? so that we can use Forth with wxWidgets. 06:32:41 there's a .NET forth and a wx.NET 06:34:09 Thanks. 07:08:13 Oh my God! The .NET Runtime is 23MB in size. And Delta Forth is only 199KB. 07:12:12 lol... 07:17:06 Hehe 07:31:27 --- join: fridge (~hovil@CommSecureAustPtyLtd.sb1.optus.net.au) joined #forth 07:32:30 Hi fridge. 07:48:55 Bye 07:49:04 --- part: yeoh left #forth 08:04:17 --- join: Herkamire (stjohns@h000094d30ba2.ne.client2.attbi.com) joined #forth 08:43:25 --- join: ian` (~user@inpuj.net) joined #forth 08:58:27 --- nick: ian` -> ianp 09:15:29 --- quit: I440r ("Leaving") 09:24:17 --- join: sir (sir@host81-153-36-198.range81-153.btcentralplus.com) joined #forth 09:24:26 ello 09:24:31 hello sir 09:24:42 goodmorning everyone else.. 09:24:44 any 1 know i440r?? 09:24:55 yeah i440r was just here 09:24:59 --- quit: sir (Client Quit) 09:25:20 wakey wakey 09:25:25 we have a big day ahead of us 09:25:27 * fridge awakens 09:25:30 full of sound and fiery 09:25:33 and adventure! 09:25:48 that bean bag is so uncomfortable 09:25:59 heh 09:27:06 --- join: sir (sir@host81-153-36-198.range81-153.btcentralplus.com) joined #forth 09:27:13 --- nick: sir -> sidsnot 09:27:21 that will teach me for sleeping at work I guess 09:27:23 sorry got booted 09:28:04 anyway any 1 know i440r 09:28:14 yes 09:28:22 well, not personally in person 09:28:51 but I've talked to him a bit 09:28:51 what times he grt in he just mail me so i thought id cum and say ello 09:29:17 sidsnot: 09:15 -!- I440r [mark4@63-194-165-94.ded.pacbell.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 09:29:45 he'll definitely be back though 09:29:50 he's usually on everyday 09:29:55 but while he is away 09:30:03 --- quit: madwork (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09:30:11 you can tell us if you have an interest in forth? ;) 09:30:55 if ya see im let im know poped,,, forth nahh i dont program any more 09:31:13 im from blackpool 09:31:29 no time 09:31:45 be good out there 09:32:02 blackpool? 09:32:24 he used to live here is the uk north 09:32:30 ahh 09:32:41 how he's all americanified 09:33:13 he always way,, when back home an that 09:33:20 way was 09:34:24 well got ta run just wachin spiderman rip 09:34:32 --- part: sidsnot left #forth 09:35:01 bah 09:35:05 s/how/now 09:35:06 heh 09:35:09 i'm blind! 09:43:48 yey 09:44:10 my EVAL function processes and reads the input buffer completely, and calls eval.word properly at every delimiter 09:44:23 yay 09:44:24 it skips leading,double and ending delimiters too 09:44:35 whats the diff between eval and evaluate? 09:45:02 hm dunno but the quit thing i found somewhere was : QUIT BEGIN QUERY EVAL AGAIN ; 09:45:14 so i called it eval (it doesnt really matter anyways since its all machine language) 09:45:43 but my eval basicly first parses the input buffer untill he gets a delimited word 09:46:08 then calls ' to look it up, if not found he calls number? ,if not converted then he'll show an error 09:46:44 (those ' number? error words dont work yet :) 09:47:56 the code is 221 instruction words (that includes two 80 char buffers for input/processing) 09:48:10 so its actually like 60 instruction words 09:56:07 --- join: kc5tja (~kc5tja@66-91-231-74.san.rr.com) joined #forth 09:56:15 --- mode: ChanServ set +o kc5tja 09:56:36 Hi 09:56:47 OK, retrofitted the transmitter core to use the Wishbone interface. Took a bit longer than expected, but it wasn't hard. Just lots of little dependencies to take care of. 09:57:23 * Robert works on a simple DC receiver which is going to be part of a small, portable QRP rig. 09:57:24 Also documented the module interface right inside the .v file too. 09:59:26 kc5tja PM 10:13:48 kc5tja> is about 60 instruction words, to enable the p24 cpu to process input per word, much? this only processes hte input buffer, and calls the '-number?-error sequence per word (delimited by a char thats stored in a variable in the memmory, not hardcoded) 10:14:35 I really don't know what you're talking about. 10:14:57 well, my boot code, for my p24 is about 60 instruction words :) 10:15:06 OK. 10:15:10 but i have no idea whats big or not 10:15:48 I have no clue. 10:15:52 heh ok 10:18:23 qFox: where are you getting the text input from? 10:19:07 mirc function pops up a input box 10:19:18 you enter text and the function enters the text in the 80 chars in the memmory 10:19:36 i thought that was about the best i could do to emulate it 10:20:23 so you added an instruction to the p24 that reads a line of input? 10:20:54 no 10:20:59 i coded that 10:21:22 let me publish teh commented code somewhere 10:21:23 hold on 10:22:53 coded it in what? 10:22:55 but in a nutshell, it reads a char, checks either its 0, if so jumps to the end (processes whatever is in the eval buffer one more time) 10:23:10 then it checks either its the same as the delimiter char (default is 32) 10:23:21 if its something else, it stores the char in the eval buffer 10:23:25 and scans the next char 10:23:44 if its a delimiter char, it checks if there's something in the eval buffer, and calls the ' number? error sequence 10:24:00 with the cpu instructions 10:24:03 I understand that you are doing the text parsing on the p24, but what about reading in the text. 10:24:15 p24 does not have KEY or EXPECT or anything 10:24:18 what od you mean? 10:24:23 no, i code it.. 10:24:26 in instructions 10:24:33 how are you getting the text input into the p24's memory space? 10:24:58 what instructions could you use to code KEY? 10:24:59 thats a mirc function, as i dont know how the p24 handles io 10:25:14 and how do you call the mirc function from p24? 10:25:30 the function takes your input, and stores it at the input area of the memmory (80 chars max) 10:25:42 well you dont... 10:25:47 I know what the function does, but it's not part of p24. how are you calling it from p24? 10:25:57 OK, I think I changed the receiver over to Wishbone interface. Now time to convert the unit tests for it over. 10:26:08 no atm my code doesnt continously loop to scan for input 10:26:29 (looping it means that mirc will become "stuck" and stop responding) 10:26:51 so right now, when you start the vm, it asks for some input 10:27:01 it will enter whatever (or nothing...) you enter in the input buffer 10:27:04 and start the cpu 10:27:16 the cpu starts at that QUIT BEGIN QUERY EVAL AGAIN loop 10:27:22 and so forth... 10:28:01 OK, then how does it switch back to mirc? 10:28:07 i havent seen any instructions in that p24 doc, that indicates that you have to do anything to get keyboard input to the memmory... 10:28:11 you added a pause instruction or something? 10:28:14 i added a BYE instruction 10:28:15 ye 10:28:28 right 10:29:00 when you enter more text in mirc, does it reboot the p24? or does it continue where it left off (after the BYE) 10:29:03 i've added three custom instructions... BYE, which halts the script (standard after one looping of QUIT). BUG which echoos a bunch of debug stuff (like, registers, stacks, input and eval buffers). and MOO which merely echoos "moo" 10:29:12 atm it'll reboot 10:29:18 because i'm just testing 10:29:24 but i can continue just as easy 10:29:30 (by removing the reboot function :) 10:30:12 but right now i need to get the interpreter working first 10:30:57 i'm aiming to get the : ; and @ defined. once i get that up n running, i think i'm home free and can continue in Forth with code definitions 10:31:19 cool 10:32:00 next up is creating the dictionary uh 10:32:08 well the dictionary anyways 10:35:59 how are you compiling the p24 instructions into it's memory space? did you write a compiler in mirc? 10:37:37 sort of 10:38:37 i created a function that takes instructions. normally 4 instructions, exceptions to JUMP JZ JNC CALL and n. the jumps will create a correct word for the instruction, the n will return a 24bit number 10:38:48 this function returns the 24bit word in 3 bytes (8bit each) 10:39:12 and another function stores these three bytes in the memmory, and increases a user pointer 10:40:22 http://members.home.nl/qfox/bootcode.txt 10:41:55 once i'm done with the whole bootcode, i'll optimize the words to minimize the total words :) 10:51:21 --- join: cmeme (~cmeme@216.184.11.30.unused.swcp.com) joined #forth 10:53:32 http://members.home.nl/qfox/bootcode.comment.txt 10:53:38 here, that explains what does what :) 10:53:47 the ; is a comment in mirc. 11:21:23 --- join: madwork (~madgarden@derby.metrics.com) joined #forth 11:22:08 qFox: nice code 11:22:22 tnx :) 11:47:55 --- join: networm (~networm@L0657P20.dipool.highway.telekom.at) joined #forth 11:49:05 hi! 11:49:34 hi 11:49:41 what's up? 11:50:10 nothing. so I joined IRC :) 11:50:28 * kc5tja just finished the conversion of his UART transmitter and receiver cores to the Wishbone bus. 11:50:31 Heh. 11:50:36 --- join: TreyB (~trey@cpe-66-87-192-27.tx.sprintbbd.net) joined #forth 11:52:34 The next thing to do is the baud rate generator. 12:03:08 --- quit: ASau () 12:03:12 I can see that I'm going to have to adapt CUT for use with Verilog. 12:03:33 Making test-benches is very tedious otherwise. 12:08:43 --- quit: ianp (Remote closed the connection) 12:09:06 --- join: ian (~user@inpuj.net) joined #forth 12:10:07 hm 12:10:13 for the dictionary 12:10:17 i'll use a linked list 12:10:25 double chained, not looped 12:10:45 Why do you need double-linkage? 12:10:56 every object will have, address of last entry, address of next entry, address of word, string with the name of the word, 0 as termination for the string 12:11:11 not sure tbh, just trying to think ahead, incase i will need it... 12:11:35 unless you can ensure me i'll never need it 12:11:36 If you don't need it, don't add it. 12:11:44 it'll be a bitch to add later 12:11:48 quite sure 12:11:49 :) 12:11:55 I don't see why. 12:12:00 hm ok 12:12:10 ANyway, you won't need it unless you need to traverse the dictionary forwards for some reason. 12:12:15 address of next entry, address of word, string with the name of the word, 0 as termination for the string 12:12:24 you mean backwards 12:12:30 No, I mean forwards. :P 12:12:40 You link from last to first. 12:12:51 you do? oh you do 12:13:11 hm good point 12:13:19 would've screwed that up 12:13:20 :) 12:14:01 :) 12:15:11 This might be helpful to you: http://www.zetetics.com/bj/papers/moving6.htm#FIGURE2 12:15:39 i've thought about the size of the name of a word. one the one side a static length is easy to maintain, but either limited or space wasting 12:15:47 the alternative will take some more coding 12:16:23 hm 12:16:30 why save the length? 12:17:52 So you know how long the word name is? 12:18:02 why not terminate it with 0 12:18:25 --- join: wossname (wossname@HSE-MTL-ppp77934.qc.sympatico.ca) joined #forth 12:18:56 You could. It's generally not done in Forth that way. Plus, 1 byte for a count, or one for a zero terminator... 12:19:11 i wont add count 12:19:24 and i'll compare strings 12:19:26 not size 12:19:29 and you will need to find the dictionary entry from the XT later 12:19:34 so variable length is bad 12:19:44 what do you mean? 12:19:46 Use the NFA. 12:19:55 well, i had it like this: 12:20:09 --- nick: ian -> ianp 12:20:12 | linked list pointer | name | CF | DF 12:20:23 the XT is the address of CF 12:20:31 XT=CFA 12:20:34 since name was variable length, i never could find the position of my word in the dictionary 12:20:45 well 12:20:49 i put the name as last 12:20:52 (given only the CFA) 12:20:53 so the end is variable 12:21:03 What about the BODY then? 12:21:14 BODY> 12:21:17 the body is saved somewhere else (i asume you mean teh actual code?) 12:21:38 there's a pointer to where the actual function is saved 12:21:46 Ahh. 12:21:55 well, as long as only the last element is variable, it should work. (in my case, only DF is variable now) 12:22:02 especially the first set of functions i create in machine language, wont be together with the dictionary entries 12:22:08 well 12:22:09 Still, how will you do BODY>? 12:22:09 so, given the address of any field, i can derive the address of all the others 12:22:17 if you terminate the string with 0 12:22:21 it should work fine 12:22:33 although in my model i wont be able to see stuff efficiently 12:22:37 yet.. 12:22:40 but i'll get around that 12:22:53 i'm not quite sure what you mean with body 12:23:10 http://members.home.nl/qfox/bootcode.comment.txt 12:23:17 look at the first function, QUIT 12:23:24 it starts at some point in the memmory 12:23:36 but that is not the dictionary entry 12:23:43 (doesnt even exist atm) 12:23:53 all the functions will "float" in the memmory like that 12:24:06 and the dictionary will indicate where exactly each function begins 12:24:13 the ret indicates the end of it, basicly 12:24:29 and the user poiter makes sure you dont overwrite old code 12:25:33 How will you convert from the address of some word's code (PFA) to the word's CFA? 12:25:50 not sure what you mean 12:26:01 !fsee body> 12:26:01 Forth: 4Undefined. 12:26:24 what will XTs be? 12:26:36 e.g. : TEST QUIT ; 12:26:45 will it compile into the address of the code of QUIT? 12:26:54 yes 12:26:57 i think so.. 12:27:11 sorry i'm not quite at home with the terminology :\ 12:27:12 ah. so it will be hard getting back e.g. the name field 12:27:15 Imagine this case... 12:27:15 VARIABLE FOO 12:27:15 FOO BODY> .NAME 12:27:15 FOO OK 12:27:19 yes 12:27:30 like i said, in my current setup SEE will be hard to use 12:27:43 yeah, that's exactly the problem i had with ym variable name field 12:27:45 i've had a few idea's about it, but thats for later concerns 12:28:02 you can either enter a field, that simply contains the entire definition in strings 12:28:05 i had to search all the dictionary to find any word with the same XT :P 12:28:16 or lookup the execution address in the dictionary 12:28:19 as the one i wanted the name from 12:28:20 and compose the names that way 12:28:21 etc 12:29:07 oh.. and you also need the datafield/parameter field.. 12:29:17 why? 12:29:43 for compiled words 12:30:01 i'm not sure... 12:30:18 what will (i think, havent started on this part yet) happen is 12:30:23 you define something like 12:30:27 : foo bar ; 12:30:39 the compiler will lookup bar in the dictionary 12:30:47 take the execution address of the word 12:30:54 and compile it for foo 12:30:58 when foo is executed 12:31:07 it will CALL that address, and at the end return to foo 12:31:20 as far as i am currently aware of, this is how forth works... 12:32:05 networm, got that Forth flow chart I linked you before? 12:32:37 nm... 12:32:39 http://img.cmpnet.com/embedded/gifs/2002/0210/0210bcfig1.gif 12:33:48 well thats exactly what i had in mind, except i dont bother with compile/interpreter mode right now yet, since those words will be defined once i have : ; and code defined. 12:34:09 oh, that one.. i think the one i bookmarked is 404 now 12:34:11 Also [ and ] 12:34:16 well 12:34:22 i think that once i've got : code ; 12:34:26 i can define basicly anything 12:34:35 without the use of direct machine language 12:34:46 that includes [ ] and w/e 12:35:06 the question is, how will you differentiate colon-defined-words and code words 12:35:24 the interpreter will take care of that 12:35:30 i think :) 12:35:40 you know, right now i think as i go 12:36:44 yes. that's how i made my forth :) 12:36:52 but i changed my complete design several times 12:36:59 oh i'm sure i will too :) 12:37:05 i spent half my day finding a freaking bug 12:37:13 Seems to be the general way of coding Forth. 12:37:16 heh 12:37:42 its kinda sucky when you're debug output doesnt match whats really happening ;) 12:37:47 for me, before i could understand all the advice i got, i first had to understand how everything works 12:38:14 i have a basic understand of how the forth compiler/interpreter should work 12:38:23 or at least, i think so :p 12:38:39 just wait until you implement DOES> 12:38:57 yes i'm fearing a few words ;) 12:39:05 also the branching 12:39:14 right now i have no clue how to figure that out 12:39:26 branching was easy. especially since it is only compile-only words. 12:39:55 well 12:40:08 you'd have to either backtrace to a token that indicates the start of the branch 12:40:22 or search forward for the closing of the branch and compile that address 12:40:27 either way sounds very sucky to me 12:40:34 but i havent been able to think of another way so far 12:40:50 no, since the standard says that you may use the return stack 12:41:05 there's something about compiling it as a seperate function and call it, then ret at the end of the function 12:41:08 control flow is put on the stack at compile time... and then it's a cinch to sort out. 12:41:12 but i'm sure it'll bork out 12:41:26 hm, or was it the normal stack? i don't remember 12:42:01 but it's like: IF (put address where you need the forward jump to the stack)... THEN (resolve address on stack with current address) 12:42:57 hm 12:42:58 right 12:43:12 i guess that could work 12:44:18 You can use the data stack or some other stack. In Forthy, I use the return stack. It's nice to keep the control flow off of the data stack when compiling... then it doesn't interfere with other stuff you may be doing. 12:45:10 i wonder if i should actually add a control stack 12:45:26 it would be used for all such things 12:45:28 yar, but i have to keep in mind that the p24 has a 17 deep return stack, 22 or something deep data stack and only 1 register to screw around with 12:45:37 The return stack works just fine as a control stack. No need for a seperate one. 12:45:48 a swap is done with, sta push lda pop 12:45:51 for instance... 12:48:07 but i guess the stack thing will work. 12:48:23 i'll figure it out when i get there :) 13:07:50 --- quit: fridge ("Leaving") 13:09:13 --- join: randolm (wossname@HSE-MTL-ppp60694.qc.sympatico.ca) joined #forth 13:24:01 --- quit: wossname (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13:40:47 --- join: ian_erk (~user@inpuj.net) joined #forth 13:41:07 --- quit: ian_erk (Client Quit) 13:43:03 --- quit: ianp (Remote closed the connection) 13:44:11 --- join: ianp (~user@inpuj.net) joined #forth 13:49:56 --- join: mindbomb (none@host81-153-36-198.range81-153.btcentralplus.com) joined #forth 13:50:02 ahh 13:50:20 ello thin 13:50:50 r you the nobei i once new 13:52:14 ok where is every one ere? 13:52:41 did ya get my mail or what??? 13:52:54 hmmm 13:53:29 I just got out of the shower. 13:53:30 :) 13:53:46 where the F^&k r u i44or 13:54:12 sorry got a bit mad there 4 a sec 13:54:39 i440r works as a software development consultant now, and spends a large part of his day either at work or on the road. 13:55:15 so where is right now he told me 2 see im here is all 13:56:14 development consultant <<< what 13:56:18 He tends to join at night time. 13:56:35 I haven't seen him join or be active during the day. 13:56:42 we is ol mates is all 13:57:28 --- join: wossname (wossname@Toronto-HSE-ppp3699794.sympatico.ca) joined #forth 13:57:29 tell im stan called if ya see im thanx 13:57:35 Will do. 13:57:55 ta 13:58:42 n/p. 13:58:45 kc5 so what do ya do for fun round ere?? 13:58:50 * kc5tja is off to get some food, then to prepare for work. 13:59:29 For fun? In the channel? Typically just chat about various things. Not necessarily Forth related all the time. 13:59:34 --- nick: mindbomb -> sidsnot 13:59:43 ping pong 13:59:47 hmmm 13:59:59 --- nick: sidsnot -> mindbomb 14:00:25 * kc5tja spends what little free time he has working, going to school, or trying to set up his own business. 14:01:41 i cant be doin with that police bacward noyation ... or any kind of programin any more its a head F%^k 14:03:30 you think of makin mony eh! 14:03:45 good 4 ya :) 14:04:48 my addvice remove your self from prograin when u get 2 30<35 14:05:03 I'm sorry, what is '2 30<35'? 14:05:11 * kc5tja doesn't grok 1337-$p34k. 14:05:37 * ianp doesnt get that one either 14:05:49 Maybe I'm reading too much into it. I don't know. 14:05:50 before you get to the age of 30-35 14:05:54 Ahh. 14:05:57 * kc5tja is 29 now. 14:06:03 I can do coding, that's not so much an issue. 14:06:08 But the market is dead. 14:06:25 So I'm trying to change gears and move into hardware design. 14:06:50 be yond me 14:06:59 * kc5tja is working on developing a homebrew computer kit called the Kestrel (yes, a real put-it-together-yourself kind of kit, not assembling parts line a PC). 14:07:17 * kc5tja is also working on offering several pre-programmed gate-array semiconductors for sale as well. 14:07:32 (e.g., as far as the customer is concerned, they're custom chips.) 14:07:40 u can make a semi?? 14:07:49 --- join: fridge (~hovil@CommSecureAustPtyLtd.sb1.optus.net.au) joined #forth 14:07:51 Trying to. 14:08:09 u must have money 2 burn 14:08:22 hi fridge 14:08:27 Nope. 14:08:40 hi mindbomb 14:08:47 But at this stage, I don't need money. 14:08:50 :)) try 2 dev a semi will cost u 14:08:57 * kc5tja is designing the chips in Verilog (hardware description language). 14:09:30 Once I save up about $300, then I'll purchase a CPLD programmer, so that I can start offering UARTs, timer chips, and the like, for the 6502 and Z80 hackers out there. 14:09:56 so like a plug an play thigy 14:09:59 In quantities of 1, an unprogrammed FPGA or CPLD costs around $15. It's not that bad. 14:10:11 No, these are just the raw peripheral chips. 14:10:32 people who mark library books annoy me. 14:11:08 so it very sesiphic then?? 14:11:12 * kc5tja is going to publish a bus standard for the 65816 and 6502 microprocessors that is based on the Wishbone bus though, which will support plug-n-play if the devices have it, and can still work without it if they don't. 14:12:03 If by sesiphic you mean specific, then yes. 14:12:13 so a linux plug an play ... sorry you will need money.. or lots of free time 14:12:27 I have zero intentions of supporting Linux. 14:12:39 Besides, there is nothing special about Linux PnP. 14:12:43 It's just PCI. 14:12:52 And PCI is widely published and resources are available. 14:12:59 PCI's PnP is actually trivial to implement. 14:13:06 haha, linux. 14:13:32