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And pie. || Might be absent for a while, email me at koolaid_male at yahoo dot com if you wish :) - arke' by arke 06:31:21 --- quit: arke (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 06:43:03 --- join: thin (thin@bespin.org) joined #forth 06:43:19 --- part: thin left #forth 06:48:54 --- join: Downer (~Devel@host213-122-200-240.in-addr.btopenworld.com) joined #forth 06:53:34 --- quit: crc () 07:28:16 --- join: networm (~networm@L0635P22.dipool.highway.telekom.at) joined #forth 07:29:22 hi 07:29:34 ullo 07:29:47 hi 07:30:15 why have there been no books published on Forth in like 20 years 07:30:57 Not so sure that is true... isn't there some Elizabeth Rather book? 07:31:23 none on amazon 07:31:30 maybe one, thats 10 years old 07:31:34 + 07:31:42 i guess forth didn't change anymore.. 07:31:55 so what, new people have to learn it 07:32:00 at least, re-publish the same books 07:32:45 hm, you learn things from books? 07:33:07 where do you sugest I learn them. 07:33:36 not sure.. i read some online articles. 07:33:43 but i guess books actually are a better idea 07:33:59 there are millions of books on C 07:34:03 takes the piss 07:34:08 I wanna learn forth now :/ 07:34:42 i read the C99 draft.. guess now I know all the C you can know :) 07:35:26 I'm using C++ atm 07:35:56 Downer, go and read the F83 spec for starters, while messing around with an existing Forth implementation. 07:37:12 have Win32Forth 07:37:22 havent really tried anything yet 07:37:43 I'm tiring of Windows, again. 07:37:51 Win32Forth, I dunno if I'd recommend that for starters. 07:37:53 back to linux methinks 07:38:00 yeh, it looks pretty complex. 07:38:06 And crashable. 07:38:20 you could just use the forth compiler tho 07:38:21 I'd play with Minforth or FICL to begin with. 07:38:48 is there a good forth compiler for Linux? 07:38:58 It would also help to make your own C++ verison. 07:39:09 Forth "compiler?" 07:39:27 gforth seems popular 07:39:55 it compiles... 07:40:11 yes, I'm going to implement forth, without knowing it. 07:40:14 heh 07:40:42 going to have linux on a box in my room today, I'll put Forth on it 07:41:32 :) 07:51:08 yes, I'm going to implement forth, without knowing it. 07:51:15 That's jst what I did :) 07:51:25 best way to learn I think 07:51:34 hi everbody 07:51:50 hi 07:54:19 hi, pimp daddy! 08:13:49 --- quit: Downer (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08:25:46 --- quit: Robert ("brb") 08:49:20 --- join: Robert (~snofs@c-2c5a71d5.17-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined #forth 08:58:20 --- join: kc5tja (~kc5tja@66-91-231-74.san.rr.com) joined #forth 08:58:29 --- mode: ChanServ set +o kc5tja 08:58:39 Hi 08:58:53 Hello. 08:59:36 I think for my non-Forth-based OS for the Kestrel, I'm going to base its command-line syntax a little bit on VMS. 08:59:49 Never used VMS. 09:00:14 In particular, i'm going to rape, rip-off, and otherwise generally steal the concept that commands and arguments both can have switches and options applied to them. 09:00:38 For example: 09:01:00 dir d0:chem101/homework 09:01:19 Of course, short options are supported too: 09:01:34 dir d0: 09:01:49 < and > won't interfere with file redirection either. 09:02:10 make<2=&0,0=errors> 09:02:22 What's the point of that, instead of the usual UNIX syntax? 09:02:29 In this case, the options are passed to the application, but are interpreted by the shell. 09:02:57 hi 09:02:59 Options applied to the commands affect the behavior of the command as a whole. 09:03:16 Options applied to individual parameters control the behavior of the program on a parameter-by-parameter basis. 09:03:36 And besides that, this is WAY easier to parse. WAY easier. I don't need a full LR(1) parser to make it happen. 09:05:27 It also enables truely consistent options, and therefore, automated methods of parsing such options as a service of the OS. 09:09:25 I think a better example is this: suppose we want to create a virtual volume that points to another directory: 09:09:38 assign hw: d0:chem101/homework 09:09:42 OK, so far so good. 09:10:15 But, let us now suppose that we want to both replace hw with another directory, AND *add* another directory to the current command execution path: 09:10:51 assign hw:=d0:calc153/homework path:=hw:utils 09:11:19 In the first case, we are replacing the definition of hw. In the second case, we're appending a new directory to the end of path's list. 09:11:39 We can also remove if we wished: assign path:=hw:utils 09:11:40 That looks pretty complicated to me. 09:11:54 What looks complicated? 09:12:50 Er, nevermind. I think I get it now. 09:13:08 Volume names always end in : 09:13:30 No need for an initial / in the path name; presence of a : implies relativity from the root of the volume. 09:14:29 This is overwhelmingly simpler to write software for than the Unix way, which is to just mash everything imaginable under the sun into the same filesystem tree. 09:14:43 Hehe. 09:14:59 Does VMS use the same sort of device-files? 09:15:16 Devices are mounted as virtual volumes. 09:15:36 E.g., d0: is a "device" that corresponds to the first recognized disk (quite likely the harddrive or compact flash drive for the Kestrel). 09:16:04 TSRs and/or daemons (depending on whether or not I support multitasking) can (and usually would) register themselves as virtual volumes too. 09:19:37 I have considered the all-in-one filesystem tree idea too. 09:19:52 In this implementation, / would be the system RAM disk. 09:20:00 Which is *always* present. 09:20:11 Then volumes would mount themselves under /, so you'd have /d0, /d1, etc. 09:20:30 Standard devices could mount themselves under /dev, as they do for Unix. 09:21:54 And /bin would contain a unified listing of all the commands present in the current command-path. 09:22:03 (/bin, obviously, is a virtual directory.) 09:23:12 --- join: rO| (rO|@pD9EE1888.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 09:23:24 re rO| 09:23:34 howdy! 09:23:56 Well, I need to get ready for freakin' work. >:( GOD, I hate this job. 09:24:13 The more and more I work there, the more I hate it. 09:24:15 Thanks for the explanations. 09:24:22 What do you do? 09:24:58 http://www.in-n-out.com 09:25:22 I take orders, empty the trash, dice/slice various vegetables, and clean the diningroom tables and the floor. 09:25:39 Oh yeah, AND I now make french fries. 09:25:44 That sounds less fun. 09:26:06 So much for all those years of programming, heh. 09:26:26 I feel like my life just withers away everytime I'm there. 09:26:35 I can't understand how people can stay working there for 11 or more years. 09:26:49 God, it hasn't even been one year yet, and I'm just crying to get the (@*$&ing hell out of that place. 09:27:52 Are there really no more qualified jobs? 09:28:08 None that I can get. 09:28:11 I don't have a degree. 09:28:32 And guess what? We're in the biggest economic recession since the 1920s. 09:28:39 Our country has more than 3.3 million people out of work. 09:28:48 Most of them in the technology sector. 09:28:50 So go figure. 09:29:07 No freakin' way am I going to compete with someone who has a BSEE or MSCE. 09:29:18 (Masters in Computer Engineering, not Microsoft Certification) 09:29:35 Anyway, I'll be back in a bit. Shower time. 09:29:37 kc5tja: we need a smooth&cool forth pdaphone, should be work and revenue enough ;-) 09:29:44 Okay, see you. Sad story 09:30:36 kc5tja: is here discussion taking place about your hardware prj? 09:32:38 Robert: do you read the c4th ml? 09:32:48 No. 09:33:47 Robert: have you seen kc5tja's wiki? 09:34:05 About the ForthBox? Then yes. 09:34:17 OK 09:34:27 what'ya think? 09:35:09 Very interesting idea. 09:36:20 btw. got your callsign yet? 09:36:32 Yep! SM0YSR. 09:36:52 Congratulations! 09:36:55 Thanks. :) 09:38:40 bbl (testing:-) 09:41:09 --- join: Herkamire (stjohns@h000094d30ba2.ne.client2.attbi.com) joined #forth 09:41:32 wb Herkamire 09:41:40 hi rO| :) 09:45:32 rO|: No. 09:45:44 rO|: Yes, I was just talking about OS ideas for the Kestrel. 09:45:56 rO|: Yes, I read the colorforth mailing list. 09:46:05 Have you not seen my posts? I often create quite a stir. :) 09:46:30 Robert: Hey, congrats! :) 09:46:48 kc5tja: of course, i know, you misread ;-) 09:48:03 kc5tja: why no to forthpda? 09:48:40 rO|: Kestrel can form the foundations for such a project. But, realistically, I can't afford to make anything even approaching the form factor of a PDA. 09:48:45 They're just too doggone small. 09:49:06 Lots of custom-machined parts will be needed, and I lack machining capabilities. 09:49:13 And the time to produce them, frankly. 09:49:17 never say never again ;-) 09:49:30 rO|: I have $300 in my bank account. 09:49:36 I have $500 in outstanding expenses. 09:49:46 I can assure you, I *don't* have the resources to even begin such a project. 09:49:53 I'm lucky enough to even consider the Kestrel as viable. 09:52:04 My ideal computer form factor, though, is something like the Commodore 128D. 09:52:53 do you know the acer travelmate c111ti? 09:53:00 kc5tja: Oh, thanks. I thought I told you two months ago, when I got it! 09:53:10 nope 09:53:24 and nope, in that order. 09:53:48 man, I swore it was spring. and now it's been snowing almost continuously for almost 3 days 09:54:07 usually not very hard, and a lot of it is melting, but still 09:54:19 We had some snow a few days ago. 09:54:49 kc5tja, have you seen this upcoming kit? http://www.xgamestation.com/ 09:55:03 madgarden: Yes. 09:55:14 madgarden: ForthBox Kestrel won't compete, but the Ravel will hose it. 09:56:20 It will be interesting to see how well it does. 09:57:03 Raven even. 09:59:41 We'll see. One thing is definitely for sure, they have MUCH better marketing than I od. 09:59:45 do. 10:01:23 Herkamire! 10:03:08 madgarden: that sounds really cool 10:06:36 However, if I'm not mistaken, my prices will sorely undercut theirs. :) 10:07:02 The last time I checked, they wanted something like $185 or so for the xgamestation kit. 10:16:40 I'm just talking to Lamothe's main developer. :) 10:19:50 Good lord man, are you trying to put me out of business so soon? 10:19:56 SHIT, I have to get to work. 10:20:04 --- quit: kc5tja ("THX QSO ES 73 DE KC5TJA/6 CL ES QRT AR SK") 10:31:50 123 test 10:35:50 ok. excuse moi 10:36:34 --- nick: rO| -> rO|afk 11:10:56 --- join: wossname (wossname@HSE-MTL-ppp61342.qc.sympatico.ca) joined #forth 11:24:46 --- quit: wossname ("cul8rm8") 11:27:30 --- quit: slava (Remote closed the connection) 11:42:11 --- join: ayrnieu (julian@65.169.246.30) joined #forth 11:46:46 --- quit: networm (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 12:26:07 --- quit: rO|afk (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 12:37:45 --- join: ribbon (~ribbon@cpc1-bolt4-5-0-cust161.mant.cable.ntl.com) joined #forth 14:02:31 --- join: SDO (~SDO@68.170.20.253) joined #forth 14:56:56 --- quit: qFox ("if at first you dont succeed, quit again") 14:57:27 --- quit: ribbon (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 15:01:34 --- join: blockhead (default@dialin-841-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net) joined #forth 15:22:18 --- join: klickspecht (~nix@pD9E64817.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 15:44:50 --- join: arke (~Chris@wbar8.lax1-4-11-099-104.dsl-verizon.net) joined #forth 15:45:07 --- topic: set to 'A channel dedicated to the Forth programming language, its implementation, its application, and its philosophy. And pie.' by arke 15:45:10 :D 15:46:08 Why were you gone? 15:46:18 I might have been gone 15:46:19 :) 15:46:24 Why? 15:46:44 Every week, my parents get a report from my teachers on how I did, and I did bad this week 15:46:57 and if they're pissed enough, they take my computer cable 15:47:02 but, it wasn't that bad *phew* 15:47:05 Heh. 15:47:12 I wouldn't have known what to do with myself! 15:47:14 I mean 15:47:20 one week of IRC? OMG! 15:47:23 Bad, in what way? 15:47:25 s/of/without 15:47:42 Robert: well, i forgot to turn in something reeealy big 15:47:54 Sounds good. 15:48:25 Heh. 15:48:27 :) 15:48:47 :) 15:49:49 terve mur 15:49:50 :) 15:50:04 terve arka arke chrisis chris 15:52:28 man, my song kicks ass :) 15:54:27 arke: your song? 15:54:32 blockhead: yep 15:54:35 do you make music? 15:54:39 blockhead: not done yet, but it kicks ass 15:54:54 blockhead: yeah, but this one is a loop. However, soon I'll make it using real instruments 15:55:05 cool. what kind of music? 15:55:14 rock 15:55:23 like a rock/blues mix 15:55:26 its really cool 15:55:39 I like music. Listening to Meddle right now (oh, well, just the second half). 15:55:43 although not done yet.... 15:55:50 vocals? 15:55:54 I make music 15:55:58 Robert: Get yourself some Rush :) 15:56:05 good night 15:56:18 mur: night :) 15:56:36 * blockhead looks around how many music making people we got? :D 15:56:41 * blockhead also makes music 15:56:50 * mur humms 15:56:58 and genre 15:56:59 Night mur 15:57:02 all genre 15:57:04 tack, Robert 15:57:07 :D 15:57:19 * Robert doesn't make music. :( 15:57:34 I don't do anything creative, except maybe inventing strange new bugs. 15:57:38 'night mur 15:57:46 --- join: Sonarman (~matt@adsl-64-169-94-59.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) joined #forth 15:57:50 hi Matt 15:57:59 :) 15:58:07 hi there! 15:58:10 Robert: there was lection in helsinki university about "mathematical forms as art form" or similar 15:58:16 > Als Arthur Davidson gestorben war, kam er zu Petrus an die 15:58:17 > Himmelspforte. Bei der Aufnahme sagte Petrus: "Du warst immer ein 15:58:17 > guter Mensch und hast diese tollen Motorräder gebaut, die der Welt 15:58:17 > soviel brachten. Nun, mein Sohn, darfst du dir aussuchen, mit wem du 15:58:17 > hier im Himmel die Zeit verbringen möchtest." "Mit Gott", sagte Arthur 15:58:18 > knapp und schon wurde er in Chefzimmer gebracht. Dort angekommen sagte 15:58:22 > Arthur: "Bis du nicht der Erfinder der Frau ?" Gott antwortet: "Ja, 15:58:24 > sicher !" "Also gut," sagt Arthur, "mal ganz ehrlich von Meister zu 15:58:26 > Meister, da sind ein paar dicke Konstruktionsfehler dran an deiner 15:58:28 > Erfindung: Erstens ist da eine zu große Unbeständigkeit der 15:58:30 > Oberflächenwölbung, zweitens rattert es ständig auf Höchstdrehzahl, 15:58:34 > drittens sind die meisten Hinterteile zu weich und wackeln viel zu 15:58:36 > viel. Viertens ist der Einlass zu nahe am Auspuff und schließlich sind 15:58:38 > die Unterhaltskosten unverschämt hoch." Gott denkt kurz nach, mustert 15:58:40 > Arthur von oben bis unten, geht zu seinem Laptop, tippt ein paar 15:58:42 > Zahlen ein und wartet kurz. Dann sagt er: "Stimmt, aber nach meiner 15:58:44 > Statistik reiten mehr Männer auf meiner Erfindung als auf Deiner !". 15:59:00 eh, sorry! 15:59:04 :( 15:59:06 but, its funny, so read it :) 15:59:11 well interesting, is it joke? 15:59:23 arke: step awaaaaay from the ^v 15:59:27 a. davidson going to heaven i guess 16:00:34 yeah, its a joke.. 16:00:45 blockhead: alt+tab had the wrong target, that was the problem :) 16:01:38 :) 16:02:40 arke: :D 16:03:02 :) 16:03:09 Took me a while to decihper most of it... 16:03:16 * Robert is suprised he can do that. 16:03:48 :) 16:03:53 (: 16:21:45 --- join: arke_chat (~arke_chat@wbar8.lax1-4-11-099-104.dsl-verizon.net) joined #forth 16:21:55 hiya 16:22:16 arke: Hi 16:22:28 arke_chat: hi 16:23:07 # Appears as ANNA 16:23:48 # Appears as LANCE 16:24:00 # Appears as ARMANDO 16:24:18 (#G010E21:RM1) heh, this is actually cool .. MS Comic Chat... 16:24:56 heh, doesn't show up right... 16:25:04 # Appears as ARMANDO 16:25:24 (#G010E21:RM1) Test 16:25:31 * blockhead begins to wonder 16:27:21 (#G410E910M1Tblockhead) lalalalalaaaaa 16:27:38 (#G810E:10M5Tblockhead) eats cheese 16:27:55 --- part: arke_chat left #forth 16:29:20 --- part: blockhead left #forth 16:29:35 --- nick: klickspecht -> killaweb 16:31:48 --- part: killaweb left #forth 16:32:33 ok, so he changed his name _just_ to leave? 16:32:38 What the..? 16:32:54 Can't you take that outside this channel? 16:33:04 ? 16:38:56 The comic chat. 16:39:38 --- join: snowrichard (~richard@adsl-068-209-159-248.sip.shv.bellsouth.net) joined #forth 16:39:51 hello 16:40:10 Hi richard 16:40:37 i am installing netbsd 1.6.1 on a simulated VAX....playing around :) 16:40:48 Heh. 16:40:58 I tried NetBSD, but replaced it with Debian. 16:41:15 on this computer I am using Red Hat at the moment 16:41:23 thinking of switching to Gentoo 16:41:50 My computers prefer their software precompiled 16:41:54 Anything else would take years. 16:42:39 this is a 1.4Ghz P4, it doesn't take quite as long as some of the other machines I have had 16:44:20 I still have my PII motherboard in the closet 16:44:32 350 Mhz 16:46:11 debian is pretty good but you have to run the version of X in unstable for this video to work. 16:47:38 you can't always get what you want....stones tunes playing 16:52:28 --- join: slava (~slava@CPE0080ad77a020-CM.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #forth 16:52:31 hey 16:53:45 hi s;ava 16:53:50 sloava* 16:53:52 slava&* 16:53:54 ack 16:53:56 lol 16:54:11 ar* 16:54:12 arK654 16:54:13 ar435@ 16:54:16 arke@4 16:54:17 arke 16:55:00 welcome to #fprth 16:55:04 frotrth* 16:55:06 foruth* 16:55:08 forgth* 16:55:10 forth* 16:59:18 froth 16:59:23 thorf 16:59:29 :) 17:05:26 * snowrichard slaps snowrichard around with a small 50lb Unix Manual 17:06:19 Heh 17:09:25 http://adsl-068-209-159-248.sip.shv.bellsouth.net 17:10:27 that is a real ugly hostname http://richardsnow.is-a-geek.net 17:11:27 --- quit: snowrichard (Remote closed the connection) 17:41:15 --- join: kc5tja (~kc5tja@66-91-231-74.san.rr.com) joined #forth 17:41:22 --- mode: ChanServ set +o kc5tja 17:41:22 hi kc5tja 17:41:24 hi kc5tja 17:41:24 hi kc5tja 17:41:24 hi kc5tja 17:41:26 :) 17:41:34 * arke is going to a LAN party tonight 17:41:34 Hello. 17:41:42 * kc5tja goes to download a copy of Eagle CAD. 17:42:07 :) 17:42:13 I need to set up a company site for the Kestrel tonight. 17:42:28 Plus I need to put the schematics of the Kestrel into the CAD program as well. 17:45:28 I've decided to hold off the ordering of the parts until I feel I have complete schematics setup for the Kestrel board, Rev. A. 17:47:58 :) 17:48:19 keep talking, I'm looking, and I'll be responding while waiting to respawn 17:54:03 Darn, the free version of the program is pretty darn limited. 17:54:12 100mm by 80mm isn't a whole lot. 17:59:41 yeah.... 18:01:44 I can use it to create multiple small boards though. 18:02:07 For instance, I can create a backplane expansion bus, and place things like RAM and other devices on that. 18:02:30 This changes the Kestrel design dramatically from what I'd originally envisioned though (no expansion bus, and therefore, cheaper to produce) 18:03:34 For example, I can have a CPU and EEPROM card, the VIA and video output card, and a separate RAM card. 18:04:39 So a total of 4 PCBs (and thus, four "legal" boards): one backplane with three slots, and the three cards that plug into them: the CPU slot, the I/O card, and the RAM card. 18:05:45 --- join: TheBlueWizard (TheBlueWiz@pc51dn1d.ppp.fcc.net) joined #forth 18:05:45 --- mode: ChanServ set +o TheBlueWizard 18:06:04 hiya all 18:08:08 Hello. 18:08:16 hiya kc5tja 18:08:24 * kc5tja is playing with a severely restricted version of Eagle CAD for Linux. 18:08:51 I'm kind of hoping I can use it to make the ForthBox Kestrel PCBs. 18:09:05 Eagle CAD...I guess it is a commercial product 18:15:25 Yes 18:15:36 But the free version can do double-sided boards up to 4"x3.2". 18:15:55 Not very big for the whole thing, but there might be a way I can split the computer into functional parts that each fit on one of those boards. 18:19:43 --- join: ASau (~asau@158.250.48.196) joined #forth 18:19:50 Dobre jitro! 18:20:02 mmhmm....might be doable...I suspect it would call for deft manipulation of that CAD to get the desired result 18:20:35 ASau: I guess that's Russian for "Hi all!", right? 18:20:59 Czech for "good morning." 18:21:11 Czeck. 18:22:16 ah...Czech is English spelling for that language 18:23:05 Cestina. 18:23:42 Well. Thanks for correction. 18:24:38 It's too easy to make a mistake. 18:24:53 TheBlueWizard: That's why engineering is so fun. Making the impossible happen. 18:25:05 yeah...English is awful regarding its spelling... 18:25:07 One configuration for the computer I just thought of is a C-shape, a la Cray computers. 18:25:30 kc5tja: yeah...that's the real meaning of hacking :) 18:26:04 One card containing the CPU, EEPROM, clock, and bus controller. Another card containing the I/O chips (the two VIAs and the audio/video circuits). One card containing the RAM. :) 18:26:10 C-shaped? hmmm...not sure if it is tasty 18:26:31 --- quit: arke (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 18:26:34 TheBlueWizard: C-shaped permits minimum distance jumper wires. 18:26:45 (not that it particularly matters for my work, but...) 18:27:48 --- join: arke (~Chris@wbar8.lax1-4-11-099-104.dsl-verizon.net) joined #forth 18:27:49 hmm...oh, out of curiosity, have you calculated the wattage that your Kestrel board generated? 18:32:22 TheBlueWizard: Without any storage devices attached, it appears it will draw 7.5W or less. 18:34:34 nice 18:43:11 later, LAN party :) 18:43:24 --- quit: arke (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 18:46:23 In fact, external storage devices like harddrives actually need their own power supplies. 18:47:00 So when you consider that aspect, I suppose that there's no point in including an IDE interface on board, is there? 18:47:03 :) 18:47:08 Best to make it an external accessory. 18:47:35 Unfortunately, that won't affect price of the computer at all. 18:48:31 Darn these PC peripherals, and their requirement for both 5V and 12V. :/ 18:48:56 so...are you saying that creating an external storage would be a bit of a problem for Kestrel? 18:58:25 Yes, because the power supply is strictly 5V, from a wall-wart. 18:58:46 Which means it wouldn't have the capacity to drive a harddrive. 19:00:39 hmm...I suppose there are low powered harddrives...y'know, such gizmos doesn't have to spin so fasy :) 19:01:04 then again, I'm bloviating :) 19:02:29 They still take 12V. 19:02:39 Just because they don't draw as much current doesn't mean they don't take 12V. 19:03:04 5V at 1A = 5W, 12V @ 1A = 12W. Sum the two, and you get 17W. Which is pretty much what most harddrives take. 19:03:10 hmm...sure sux :/ 19:14:53 gotta go...bye all 19:15:27 --- part: TheBlueWizard left #forth 20:08:50 --- join: arke (~Chris@69-160-150-123.vnnyca.adelphia.net) joined #forth 20:09:08 welcome from the Lan Party P) 20:13:16 Hello. 20:13:28 Dobre jitro, arke! 20:13:55 dobryjj vecher, ASau 20:15:01 don't drink TOO much caffeine :) 20:15:12 Sonarman: got any new songS? 20:15:18 hmm 20:15:30 have you gotten At the gates blah blah blah? 20:15:40 arke, www.rawa.org :) 20:15:45 Farsi 20:16:37 * Sonarman is playing tetrinet right now :) 20:16:57 ASau: eh!? :P 20:17:32 Have you ever heard Farsi songs? 20:18:38 No... 20:18:42 I prefer Rush :) 20:18:52 (which is what I'm listrening to right now) 20:18:58 You've got chance. 20:19:22 I have to download a Halo No0CD crack :( 20:19:28 doesn't woirk with burned CDs :(( 20:39:34 arke, amyl nitrate? 20:39:44 slava: ? 20:39:54 arke, = Rush 20:40:16 ...?? 20:41:31 I prefer Rush :) 20:41:54