00:00:00 --- log: started forth/04.03.15 00:00:06 Although it takes more components to do, it's *much* simpler, and way easier to grok. 00:00:41 --- join: segher (~segher@blueice2n1.de.ibm.com) joined #forth 00:01:37 kc5tja: can you explain something: why does a rather large area of white distort the rest of the screen slightly away from it? 00:02:07 A deficiency of the television set in use. 00:02:52 If you turn down the brightness, does it persst? 00:03:10 No... 00:03:43 It's probably that your TV is over-driving the CRT tube. 00:03:48 Usually happens with age. 00:04:31 yeah, its not the newest TV 00:04:44 so, you're saying its pushing too much power into it? 00:05:04 yeah. 00:05:17 That causes too strong a magnetic field. 00:05:45 Since magnetic fields are used to sweep the electron beam left to right and back again, you can see how interfering with that field can cause distortions. :) 00:07:43 :) 00:07:51 yay 00:08:23 I managed to increase the sharpness of the TV various ways (including, ironically, turning it down from maximum to standard on my computer) 00:09:38 and stupid fucking windows is restricting my choices way too fucking much 00:10:06 only color choices are 16-bit and 32-bit 00:11:07 * chris-xp is listening to: lynyrd skynyrd - the needle and the spoon 00:11:22 I'm not aware of any card that supports 12-bit video anymore. 00:11:32 (heck, at all.) 00:11:57 but can't you coerce the card to do that translation for you? :) 00:13:03 no. 00:13:17 eh 00:13:31 8-bit, 15/16-bit, 24-bit (though rare today), and 32-bit are it. 00:13:36 how does the BIOS tell it to do mode 13 and all that good stuffs? 00:13:52 (double-packed pixels!) 00:14:00 It's way cheaper to make cards like that. 12-bits requires bitplanes or some other exotic technique whose art has been lost since the death of the Amiga. 00:14:45 To get 320 pixels across, it just configures the video dot clock to be 1/2 its high resolution rate (the card still thinks it's in high resolution mode though!). 00:15:04 To get the 240 pixel vertical resolution, it configures the memory controller to rescan the same scan line twice in a row. 00:15:17 (the card still thinks it's in 480 scan-line mode though!) 00:15:29 that last one is the one that gets me! 00:15:33 And mode 13 is 256 colors out of a palette of 262,144; it's an 8-bit video mode. 00:15:34 To get the 240 pixel vertical resolution, it configures the memory controller to rescan the same scan line twice in a row. 00:16:11 how could you tell it to do that? 00:16:32 You can maintain two video fetch pointers, one used for odd lines, and one used for even lines. 00:16:53 If you initialize them both to the same value, then it will fetch the same data twice in a row. 00:17:56 In high (vertical) resolution mode, it will just stick with one of the video pointers, thus causing a single scan line to be displayed only once. 00:18:46 interesting. 00:18:56 Aaah. 00:19:00 Heehee 00:19:16 :) 00:19:24 I just figured out how to easily coerce a wider-than-BIOS res :) 00:19:40 lets see, a quick tutorial on VGA regs .... 00:19:41 See, leave it to a hardware designer to figure these things out. :D Dirty tricks like these are what makes digital electronics design so much fun. 00:19:44 (for me at least) 00:19:51 and my monitor will be broken soon. :P 00:19:56 :) 00:20:04 I'm gonna sleep, maybe 00:20:20 Yeah, I ahve school in the morning. 00:20:28 I'm reading up on GEMDOS used in Atari ST. 00:20:34 well, when you leave, I'll leave :) 00:20:37 :) 00:20:55 That's a *clear* example of how one needn't do monumental work to maintain compatibility, while still offering very nice features. 00:21:08 Original TOS was like MS-DOS in almost every way. 00:21:23 MiNT came later, offering preemptive multitasking and proper support for multiple address spaces. 00:21:30 Yet, most applications never knew the difference. 00:21:38 Why Microsoft didn't do this with MS-DOS escapes me. 00:21:41 But, *sigh* 00:21:51 I mean, if ATARI can do it.... 00:22:00 Surely, I'd expect someone like Microsoft to be able to. 00:22:10 kinda like why current Internet Explorer STILL has neither popup-=blocker nor tabbed browsin 00:22:56 * kc5tja nods 00:23:09 Man, I'm so glad that I've been 99.95% Windows free since 1995. 00:23:17 heh 00:23:18 :) 00:23:41 Next year, i'm going to celebrate. 00:23:47 hah 00:23:55 I'm going to install Windows XP, with all the bells and whistles. 00:24:06 Then, I'm going to over-write it with the latest Slackware. >:) 00:24:14 Just like I did to Windows 95 back then. 00:24:21 :P 00:24:26 (I'm actually using Slackware now.) 00:24:30 ^__^ 00:26:26 Anyway, I need to hit the sack. 00:26:57 Well, you're quit message is my bed message 00:27:01 your, even 00:27:14 Oh, before you go 00:27:18 consider this logical statement... 00:27:31 "Both servers and clients can read to and write from the pipe." 00:27:33 Huh?! 00:27:34 :) 00:27:47 WTF!? 00:27:55 you mean read from and write to, right? 00:28:15 This was actually printed in the Atari Compendium book, a kind of programmers guide to the Atari ST and its operating system. :) 00:28:41 So far it's the only typo I've found, but it was rather amusing to read. 00:28:50 yeah lol 00:28:55 I did a triple-take on that sentence to make sure I wasn't getting "morning dyslexia." 00:28:58 :) 00:29:14 :) 00:39:30 night! 00:39:37 night! 00:39:37 --- quit: kc5tja ("THX QSO ES 73 DE KC5TJA/6 CL ES QRT AR SK") 00:39:38 :) 00:39:45 * chris-xp is away: zZzZ 00:53:10 --- join: Serg (~z@212.34.52.142) joined #forth 01:50:57 --- join: Nutssh (~Foo@gh-1081.gh.rice.edu) joined #forth 01:54:33 --- quit: Serg () 02:21:03 --- quit: Nutssh ("Client exiting") 03:19:53 --- quit: fridge (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 03:22:29 --- join: fridge (~fridge@dsl-203-113-230-109.NSW.netspace.net.au) joined #forth 04:13:09 --- join: qFox (C00K13S@cp12172-a.roose1.nb.home.nl) joined #forth 06:46:21 --- quit: skylan (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 08:00:33 --- join: wossname (wossname@HSE-MTL-ppp77948.qc.sympatico.ca) joined #forth 08:26:22 --- quit: ChanServ (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 08:28:06 --- quit: fridge (Remote closed the connection) 08:30:37 --- join: ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) joined #forth 08:30:37 --- mode: irc.freenode.net set +o ChanServ 08:31:06 --- quit: wossname ("woah") 08:35:24 --- join: Mark4 (~Mark4@67-50-175-35.bras01.kgm.az.frontiernet.net) joined #forth 08:37:13 --- join: Herkamire (stjohns@h000094d30ba2.ne.client2.attbi.com) joined #forth 08:44:59 is there another paned/tiled window manager like Ion that might have a fink package? 08:47:00 ion is in fink unstable 08:50:28 what the heck is fink ? 08:50:29 hhe 08:51:31 nevermind, its a macos thing :/ 08:51:55 well i gotta get on the road... l8er guyz 08:51:58 --- quit: Mark4 ("Leaving") 08:53:33 "fink" = "think spelled different" 09:05:52 oh, how do I enable unstable packages? 09:06:12 maybe I don't need the developer tools after all 09:14:23 --- join: Nutssh (~Foo@gh-1081.gh.rice.edu) joined #forth 09:14:40 * chris-xp is back (gone 08:34:51) 09:14:42 Moo. 09:22:06 * chris-xp listens to Rush - Distant Early Warning 09:24:27 --- join: kc5tja (~kc5tja@66-91-231-74.san.rr.com) joined #forth 09:24:36 kc5tja: HI!!!!!! 09:24:36 --- mode: ChanServ set +o kc5tja 09:24:40 kc5tja: HOW ARE YOU TODEAY!~!! 09:24:52 kc5tja: YOURE MY BEST FRIEND IM SO GLAD YOURE HER#E YAY!#!!!@! 09:25:02 kc5tja: Good Morning. 09:25:03 Someone ate too many sugar frosted chocolate bombs this morning. 09:25:11 Teehee 09:26:58 You know, I just realized something... 09:27:04 kc5tja: Just woke up myself - gonna continue working on Frapiar++ :P 09:27:08 kc5tja: whats that? 09:27:10 My GUI for my client has 0 functions to render text in the core API. 09:27:22 Oops 09:27:26 heh 09:27:32 And I prefer it that way. 09:27:36 o.O 09:27:45 Because I can change font engines at will (even use more than one in the same program). 09:28:38 Right now, I render text to a "transparency" (basically an SDL_Surface), then I blit the transparency onto the screen. 09:28:40 true 09:29:27 heh 09:29:42 take a look at afont (in the Epiar tree) for a SDL-based font renderer 09:30:05 just be aware that it uses the alloca call (the one that grows hair on your hands, curves your spine, all that) 09:30:57 I use SDL_ttf right now. 09:31:17 thats what they used to use,. 09:31:18 I absolutely must have anti-aliased fonts. 09:31:53 Man, freetype is a frigging slow-ass font renderer, even for my 800MHz Athlon. 09:32:02 I know it doesn't cache glyphs, but I didn't expect it to be so slow. 09:32:06 Not that it matters for my application. 09:32:17 heh 09:32:27 afont is fast, thats why they use it 09:32:32 But if I were going to release a general purpose user interface, I'd have to manually code glyph caching in the font subsystem. 09:32:36 written by one of the friends of the developers 09:33:39 --- part: segher left #forth 09:34:10 In BoxOS, I'm just going to support bitmapped fonts. 09:34:33 But as with my client's GUI engine, I'm going to completely isolate it. 09:34:39 :) 09:34:47 That is, the font renderer returns bitmaps that you blit into the screen (or other off-screen bitmap). 09:34:59 This way, if someone wants to write a TTF font renderer for it, they can. 09:35:10 And I won't have to rewrite huge chunks of the GUI to support it. 09:35:42 Yay. 09:35:49 I can bring 2 Friends! 09:36:03 * chris-xp < /dev/random 09:36:12 Hm? 09:36:29 Yeah, what *are* you talking about? :) 09:36:43 Robert: HI MY FRIEND IKM SO GLAD YOUR HERE YOURE THE GREATERSDT FRI$ENHD IEVER HAD BEZISDE KC HO#W ARE Y(IOU THIS WONDERFUKLSZ MORNING? 09:36:51 kc5tja: ignore it :) 09:37:53 * kc5tja realized that GEM and his custom GUI actually have a lot in common (they also have a lot that is NOT in common too). 09:38:05 But I think GEM is actually the better of the two GUIs. 09:38:11 (except for the font handling!) 09:41:56 heh 09:46:09 hrm, my linked list thing is kinda neat. 09:46:21 s/thing/class 09:46:37 its all in the class 09:46:44 all you do is give it certain commands. 09:46:47 very coolstuffs 09:48:54 --- join: networm (~networm@L0656P26.dipool.highway.telekom.at) joined #forth 09:49:03 chris-xp: Why not use a language with lists instead, then? 09:49:22 Robert: BECUZ I WAANNA "DO IT MYSELDF CUZ ITS TEH COOLK WAYH 09:49:38 chris-xp: Do it in Forth, then. 09:49:42 Robert: because C/C++ are the most popular languages and available for the most platforms. 09:49:45 Robert: :) 09:50:17 And Forth isn't? 09:50:47 Besides, who's going to run your linked list code on a toaster? 09:51:05 Robert: thats what NetBSD is for. 09:51:31 :D 09:51:35 Robert: Forth is not a viable language to write code that can be compiled on a number of platforms because even ANS Forth is non-standard. 09:51:43 (just look at how many wordsets are considered "optional.") 09:51:58 and to how many things you can actually link it 09:52:01 ANS = shit 09:52:10 --- quit: Nutssh ("Client exiting") 09:52:14 Americans Naming Shit 09:52:27 kc5tja: Sure, that's a problem. You'll have to implement your Forth on all those platforms, too. :) 09:54:58 * chris-xp makes out with dog 09:57:14 I'm sitting at my desk 09:57:18 and my dog is under my desk 09:57:20 o.O 09:57:58 Dogs usually like to lie on the floor. 09:58:19 and i have a big jar of peanut butter sitting next to me 09:58:21 and I'm naked. 09:58:33 :P 09:58:35 I love dogs.] 09:58:35 I don't want to know that. 09:58:36 TMI interrupt, man... 09:59:22 perfect sex slaves. They love it. They require barely any money. They don't bitch. :P 09:59:33 I should bash that ^__^ 10:00:19 If we were only back in the 17th century, I' 10:00:26 If we were only back in the 17th century, I'd make you burn for saying that. 10:00:38 :) 10:03:04 Personally, I don't care what anyone does in their private lives. 10:03:18 Just don't expose private methods as public. :D 10:03:33 teehee' 10:05:27 kc5tja: lol :) I just read what you said last night about celebrating 10 years mostly M$ free by installing XP and then overwriting with slackware :) 10:05:38 Hehe :) 10:05:50 It's the 10-year re-enactment of my inaugural switch to Linux. 10:05:56 my girlfriend is hooked on ion 10:06:01 Heh. 10:06:06 hah 10:06:14 i like your girlfriend already :) 10:06:18 That's a very odd way of celebrating... 10:06:41 I wonder what I should do in August 2007, when I've been a programmer for 10 years. Maybe write a BASIC program. :) 10:06:51 Robert: It's like those civil war re-enactments. You celebrate the future by re-enacting the past. 10:07:43 she got a new computer with Mac OS 10.2 and she hates the interface. I'm trying to get ion on there ASAP 10:08:13 lol 10:08:17 :) 10:09:10 * chris-xp listens to Rush - 2112 10:09:12 well 10:09:14 she got a mac 10:09:23 i'd say thats where she went wrong in the first place :p 10:09:40 as opposed to x86? you crazy? 10:09:44 qFox: don't troll 10:09:45 unless perhaps she's a gfx designer of some kind 10:09:46 LINUX ON PS2 :) 10:09:49 If I had the cash to spend, I'd choose the Mac over x86 *any* day. 10:09:50 sorry :p 10:09:58 kc5tja: same here. 10:10:22 Even with its default GUI, it's lightyears ahead of Windows, and to some extent, even X11. 10:10:35 yeah 10:10:42 menubar at the top of the screen is nicer, i think 10:10:45 exactly 10:10:52 Oh hell yes. 10:11:06 thats why I always set KDE that way :) 10:11:16 I even like the way GEM handles its menu bar; you need only move the mouse into the menu item for it to drop down. No clicking necessary. Oh the bliss!!! 10:11:28 * qFox chuckles... and will continue to get link killed... 10:11:45 wheee! :) 10:12:11 I still find the Mac OS interface to be annoying, but it's better than windoze or Mac 9- 10:12:20 Wheeee 10:12:24 I find that amusing. 10:12:43 MacOS 9 and MacOS X are largely similar as far as the UI is concerned. The only difference is the graphics, realistically speaking. 10:12:59 and the thing at the bottom 10:13:07 which i think is a great tool 10:13:14 (got xfce set up like that) 10:13:20 It's called the dock, and the MacOS 9 systems we had at college had one too. 10:13:45 You ARE aware that MacOS X is just the latest version of NeXTStep, right? :) 10:13:51 yes, but it was ugly :) 10:13:52 kc5tja: :) 10:13:55 kc5tja: multitasking is better, the doc is a little better than the spring loaded folders 10:14:17 * kc5tja laughs -- "spring loaded folders." :) Too true. 10:14:20 my old Mac SE was great. No contest. :) 10:14:23 folder tabs 10:14:33 hah 10:14:34 However, I don't like the real-time icon movement in the dock when you mouse down there. 10:15:15 no. there's a lot of annoying things about Mac OS X. I still maintain that the beta version of 10.0 is better than the latest 10:15:33 Never used the beta version. 10:15:57 I'd still rather have that than winblows or KDE et al 10:16:04 Yes, definitely. 10:16:15 man 10:16:19 At least the MacOS X interface is still more consistent than the XP interface. 10:16:22 my old MacSE had the BEST interface EVER 10:16:27 kc5tja: yeah 10:16:51 oh, that's the other thing. I like the columns view file browsing. 10:17:05 Herkamire: Courtesy of NeXTStep. :) 10:17:37 the best thing about Mac OS 10 is that you can't crash it will silly programming errors 10:17:39 http://www.lowendmac.com/compact/se.shtml 10:17:43 chris-xp: That's why I love MacOS System 7. It's the exact same GUI behavior as MacOS System 1, with only subtle use of color to highlight things just so perfectly. 10:17:51 :) 10:18:25 man 10:18:34 20MB hard drive 10:18:40 I barely filled it up half way 10:19:56 those were the days ... *sigh* 10:20:21 http://mjt.nysv.org/humor/Bush/Bush.txt i dind't paste this here? it's awesome 10:20:45 # 10:20:47 # CPU: 8 MHz 68000 10:21:18 mur: terve 10:21:19 mur: hehe 10:22:08 chris-xp: The Amiga was only 7.15909MHz. :) 10:22:12 # 10:22:13 # addressing: 24-bit only 10:22:15 kc5tja: :) 10:22:15 And it roasted the Mac. :) 10:22:20 teehee 10:22:23 (the blitter helped out a lot!) 10:23:04 :) 10:23:14 terve chris 10:23:19 my SE was still the best CPU I've ever had 10:23:26 would it run linux? :) 10:26:33 yay 10:26:35 uclinux runs on it 10:26:37 yay 10:28:58 I still contend that the 68010 is still the *best* CISC architecture CPU that has ever been designed, by anyone, anywhere, anywhen. 10:29:15 what about 68030? :) 10:29:33 (thats what MacSE ran on) 10:29:44 Sucks compared to the 68010 because it integrates a lot of what used to be external peripherals on-chip, thus limiting system design flexibility. 10:29:46 chris is arke? 10:29:54 mur: yeah :) 10:30:21 For example, Amiga was going to release a single-address-space MMU chip for the 68000/68010/68020, but when the 030 came out, they scrapped it; it was wholesale incompatible with Commodore's plans. 10:30:43 i wasn't just sure, so asked :) 10:30:54 :) 10:31:16 kc5tja: bad stuffs. 10:31:18 kc5tja: wait 10:31:23 kc5tja: 030 has MMU? 10:31:27 Yes. 10:31:37 oh yay 10:31:46 then it might even run without uclinux 10:32:04 You have an SE/030? 10:32:20 http://mjt.nysv.org/humor/Bush/asshole.jpg .. hmm.. that's from finland :P 10:32:20 I used to. 10:32:47 mur: haha 10:36:28 hrm 10:36:37 I gotta find a MacSE and put netbsd on it :) 10:37:52 hrm 10:37:57 MacSE have openboot too? 10:38:02 No 10:38:20 OpenBoot didn't come around until the PowerMacs. 10:38:48 aww :) 10:39:24 coulda learned forth at 10 years old :) 10:39:35 but its alll good 10:40:56 Well, I have to get to college. 10:41:04 * kc5tja has two chapters of math homework to complete by noon. :) 10:41:15 Doubt I'll manage to pull it off, but I should at least get started. 10:41:25 We get full credit if we do more than 50% of the homework anyway. 10:42:04 --- quit: kc5tja ("THX QSO ES 73 DE KC5TJA/6 CL ES QRT AR SK") 10:42:43 :) 10:42:51 Then I shall get to doing my work 10:46:24 --- nick: chris-xp -> topher 10:46:33 --- nick: topher -> chris-xp 10:51:07 --- join: Nutssh (~Foo@gh-1177.gh.rice.edu) joined #forth 11:08:28 arggggg fink is giving me lots of trouble 11:09:08 it has a build script for ion-20011109 but the tarball is ion-200202something 11:09:42 rsync doesn't seem to get a newer build script 11:10:54 trying cvs update 11:48:36 --- join: wossname (wossname@HSE-MTL-ppp77948.qc.sympatico.ca) joined #forth 12:37:20 --- part: Nutssh left #forth 13:12:28 --- join: ribbon (~ribbon@cpc1-bolt4-5-0-cust161.mant.cable.ntl.com) joined #forth 13:13:21 --- join: ribbon_ (~ribbon@cpc1-bolt4-5-0-cust161.mant.cable.ntl.com) joined #forth 13:13:48 --- part: ribbon_ left #forth 13:14:54 --- quit: wossname () 13:27:26 --- join: Nutssh (~Foo@gh-1177.gh.rice.edu) joined #forth 13:38:33 --- quit: ribbon ("A life without meaning") 13:40:32 Hi! XD 13:43:21 ey 13:43:45 ey 13:43:51 Murray? 13:45:45 Terve, mur. 13:52:30 hej på dej, Robert 14:13:02 --- join: kc5tja (~kc5tja@66-91-231-74.san.rr.com) joined #forth 14:13:02 --- quit: networm (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 14:13:09 --- mode: ChanServ set +o kc5tja 14:14:05 hiya 14:14:07 kc5tja: hi :) 14:15:02 Well, I just guaranteed myself a grade absolutely no higher than a low B in Calc II (which sucks bigtime for UCSD transfer requirements) 14:15:12 how come? 14:15:28 Because I failed the last take home quiz I did. >:( 14:15:37 :( 14:15:41 that much impact? 14:15:42 :( 14:15:45 And in this class, take home quizzes actually count more than tests. 14:15:55 Yeah. Take home quizzes are 40% of the final grade!! 14:16:43 !!! 14:16:50 how many do you get per semester? 14:16:53 4 14:17:13 so, lets say you get a total of 75% cumulatively 14:17:24 so you miss 10% 14:17:40 which means you're within B range 14:17:42 Where are you getting those numbers from? 14:17:49 just guesses 14:17:51 :) 14:17:56 chris-xp: That's what I jsut said: a low B. :/ 14:18:01 not nexessarily low. 14:18:13 With my numbers, if you get everything else perfect, you can get a 90% 14:18:26 but gimme some cumulative percentages 14:18:35 I can't at the moment. 14:18:55 * chris-xp is gonna work on frapiar in a moment --- 0xF00D first, probably 0xDEADBEEF 14:18:58 I don't have all my grades in just yet. 14:19:16 * chris-xp listens to Lynyrd Skynyrd - The Needle and the Spoon 14:19:20 Yeah, I'm doing the 0xFEEDFACE thing myself at the moment. 14:19:41 0xC001 :) 14:23:50 If I get perfect scores on everything from now until the end of the semester, I'll end up with only 85%. 14:24:01 at best. 14:24:17 --- join: networm (~networm@L0632P05.dipool.highway.telekom.at) joined #forth 14:24:34 That's from missing **one** fuckin' quiz. ONE. *sigh* 14:25:35 I never liked Calculus. 14:26:37 I *LOVE* Calculus. 14:26:49 I love Algebra but not Geometry. 14:26:55 Haven't gotten to calculus yet 14:26:57 But for the love of all that is holy, ONE *@&(@& QUIZ takes me from getting an A to maybe, at best, a low B to a C? 14:27:01 That's just plain *retarded*. 14:27:06 but I do get to skip an entire fucking year of pre-calculus 14:28:01 That basically just guaranteed that I wont' get into UCSD. 14:28:47 kc5tja, you can always sleep with the professor. 14:29:07 Forgive me, but I'm not in a humour-minded mood right now. 14:30:37 The Falvo Curse strikes again. 14:30:48 I'll never amount to a fucking hill of beans anywhere. 14:30:59 I failed Calculus plenty of times. 14:31:08 I'll live in a steaming pile of fucking poverty, just like my parents, just like my grandparents, and just like my great grandparents before them. 14:31:47 kc5tja, you don't need an education at the best university to amount to a hill of beans. 14:32:15 madgarden: True enough, but 'making it big' without certification is increasingly rare. 14:32:44 The only way to earn a living without that damn degree is either to work at In-N-Out for the remainder of my natural life, or to make and successfully market my own business and its products. 14:32:51 No, making it big without drive and determination is what's rare. 14:33:11 The latter doesn't amount to a hill of beans in the real world (who would want a retro computing platform these days, with the PC's ability to do real-time everything?). 14:33:35 And frankly, that last statement is bullshit. I don't have a degree, and I've just landed a second job that will put me in a nicely comfortable position. 14:33:53 Not where I live. Maybe I should move to Canada. 14:33:56 I hardly think your only 2 options are flipping burgers or a risky entrepreneurial venture. 14:34:00 Well, maybe you should! 14:34:15 There are still more than 2 options. 14:34:29 Well, we'll see. 14:34:31 You're going to pidgeonhole yourself with this line of thinking. 14:34:39 ANyway, bbl... fried rice is calling. 14:35:20 We shall see. 14:35:24 ForthBox has some interesting potential. 14:35:44 The Kestrel has a number of people lined up for it, and I only barely advertised it on this forum. 14:35:56 but that won't let me `retire' from INO. 14:36:08 I need a larger arena in which to offer Kestrel and its abilities. 14:37:17 Ham radio kits seem to be that very outlet. We'll see how that goes. 14:37:20 I'm banking a lot on it. 14:37:43 Well, not a LOT lot. 14:37:49 I'll still survive even if it doesn't work out. 14:37:54 But, still... 14:43:39 Hmm... A single transistor worked suprisingly well as a mixer. 14:44:06 And it's not as much trouble as a diode ring mixer with a transformer. 14:44:37 I've never been able to get a transistor to work as a mixer. 14:47:14 I just set the base to ~4V, give it the local oscillator signal, the RF input on the collector and the output on the emitter. Oh, and a 47uH choke from supply to the collector. 14:47:58 Didn't think it would work very well, but for some reason it did. 14:53:10 --- quit: chris-xp (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 14:56:34 Well, remember that Icc is Ibe * hFe, so a multiplication of two waveforms will inevitably lead to mixing. 14:56:52 But none of my mixers ever really worked (I probably had some nasty impedance mismatches). 14:58:42 --- quit: Nutssh ("Client exiting") 14:58:49 Right, that's what I expected. I know that it _should_ work, but that often means it doesn't :P 15:09:24 Yeah. 15:18:19 --- join: chris-xp (~Chris@wbar8.lax1-4-11-099-104.dsl-verizon.net) joined #forth 15:18:59 y0 15:23:50 Howdy. 15:24:04 Still just playing around with the ST emulator. 15:24:52 In my client's GUI code, it seems I more or less independently arrived at the same "object structure" concept (though I call them "gadgets" in my GUI) as GEM has. 15:24:55 :) 15:25:03 Complete with the same basic rules. 15:29:52 Heh. This transistor does a good job! I just heard er3cw, from Moldova. :) 15:30:30 But the stupid VXO keeps making the signal drift out of the filter... 15:39:45 --- join: blockhead (default@dialin-880-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net) joined #forth 15:49:55 --- quit: kc5tja ("THX QSO ES 73 DE KC5TJA/6 CL ES QRT AR SK") 15:55:29 --- join: skylan (sjh@nwc57-226.nwconx.net) joined #forth 16:00:39 --- join: Sonarman (~matt@adsl-67-113-234-207.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) joined #forth 16:06:28 --- join: MarkT (mark@63.121.115.236) joined #forth 16:07:21 --- quit: MarkT (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16:07:36 --- join: Nutssh (~Foo@gh-1177.gh.rice.edu) joined #forth 16:36:36 --- join: MarkT (~mark@63.121.115.236) joined #forth 16:37:00 hey MarkT 16:39:32 --- quit: MarkT (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 16:40:12 ...or not... 16:40:18 Heh. 17:12:51 --- quit: Sonarman (Nick collision from services.) 17:13:04 --- join: Sonarman (~matt@adsl-64-169-95-253.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) joined #forth 17:18:21 Big money goes around the world! 17:19:01