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04:48:31 <networm> hello
04:58:29 <Robert> Hi networm.
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05:56:36 <snowrichard> morning folds
05:56:40 <snowrichard> folks
05:57:10 <ribbon> afternoon, snowrichard
05:58:04 <snowrichard> hi ribbon
05:59:37 <ribbon> Written your own Forth yet? ;)
05:59:58 <snowrichard> actally yes :)
06:00:15 <snowrichard> still a few little bugs
06:00:23 <ribbon> What platform, and what quirks does it have?
06:00:37 * ribbon wants to write one
06:00:55 <snowrichard> I wrote it in C
06:01:07 <ribbon> But I suspect it might be a good plan to actually learn about Forth first :)
06:01:11 <snowrichard> token threaded
06:03:55 <ribbon> No other distinguishing features?
06:04:08 <ribbon> Any plans to take it down to assembler level?
06:04:41 <snowrichard> if you want one for linux written in assembler get the isforth
06:05:29 <snowrichard> I don't know x86 assembly that well
06:05:34 <ribbon> I'm only looking at forth, because it's small, and *everyone* could implement one if they wanted to...
06:05:37 <ribbon> (I think)
06:05:50 <snowrichard> I did one on a 6809 once
06:06:00 <snowrichard> color computer with os9
06:06:06 * ribbon smiles
06:06:45 <ribbon> I wonder whether I should look into forth chips...
06:10:08 <madgarden> Not a good idea. If you open one, it won't work anymore.
06:10:43 <snowrichard> need a really good microscope too :) 
06:10:49 <madgarden> ;P
06:11:49 <snowrichard> I am watching paint dry (mozilla compiling)
06:12:19 <mur> var *regSpace[456976];  does this slow down system in the start?
06:12:27 <mur> that's c++
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08:46:33 <ribbon> Just out of curiousity...
08:46:58 <ribbon> How is security done in multiuser forth systems?
09:02:08 <Herkamire> ribbon: I have no idea
09:02:27 <ribbon> hmmm
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09:24:54 <chris-xp> matt oh matt oh where art though matt
09:25:02 <chris-xp> er, thou
09:26:38 <Herkamire> who's matt?
09:28:07 <chris-xp> Sonarman
09:28:30 <chris-xp> Herkamire: hi, how are you? :)
09:36:13 <Herkamire> chris-xp: I'm having fun :)
09:36:30 <Herkamire> playing with my forth.
09:37:59 <Herkamire> I just learned a cool way to get a random number within a given range. It takes the number out of the high bits of the random number, rather than the low bits like MOD would
09:38:34 <Robert> That's what the rand() man page recommends, but nobody does! :P
09:38:55 <Herkamire> : rand ( n -- 0..n-1 ) 32-bin-random high-32-unsigned-multiply ;
09:40:04 <Herkamire> you just need to take the high 32 bits of the 64 bit product.
09:40:20 <Herkamire> on PPC that's one instruction
09:41:12 <chris-xp> :)
09:42:48 <Herkamire> then I made a bar graph out of asterix (what's the plural of asterix?) showing the distrobution of 1500 random numbers 0..99.
09:43:02 <Herkamire> and a key to re-run the stats
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10:02:02 <chris-xp> Herkamire: cool stuff!
10:08:59 <chris-xp> hey guys, Frapiar is awaiting Savannah approval
10:10:01 <Herkamire> chris-xp: cool
10:10:06 <Herkamire> is there a playable demo?
10:10:44 <chris-xp> no .....
10:10:54 <ianp> what's sacannah?
10:10:57 <ianp> savannah*
10:11:08 <ianp> that GNU thing? is it actually better than sf.net ?
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10:30:34 <chris-xp> ianp: well, it seems less anal about certain things.
10:30:36 <chris-xp> wossname: hi there
10:33:41 <wossname> ~
10:33:53 <chris-xp> :)
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10:43:01 <chris-xp> http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2795.html
11:03:37 <Herkamire> ianp: I have heard some serious complaints against sf.net
11:03:50 <ianp> they havent been perfect
11:04:02 <Herkamire> they deleted kc5tja's page by accedent, and refused to get it off the backups
11:04:19 <ianp> why??
11:04:19 <Herkamire> and they closed the source on the code that runs sf.net
11:04:32 <ianp> that's no big deal.
11:04:39 <ianp> as long as it works.
11:04:42 <Herkamire> but why?
11:04:45 <ianp> i can't believe they would refuse such a thing
11:04:48 <Herkamire> are they trying for a monopoly or something?
11:05:00 <ianp> i dunno
11:05:00 <chris-xp> seems so.
11:05:02 <Herkamire> and they won't give out cvs history
11:05:03 <ianp> i dont care if it works.
11:05:08 <ianp> really?
11:05:10 <chris-xp> which is why I'm trying savannah.
11:05:12 <ianp> screw sf.net
11:05:12 <chris-xp> I can always switch
11:05:17 <ianp> that's lame
11:05:22 <ianp> ill start my own
11:05:23 <ianp> he he
11:05:36 <ianp> I mean really, what do you need for webspace ans a cvsroot.
11:14:02 <Herkamire> it's very nice of them to provide free bandwidth and some nice software, but I think it's rether disturbing that they won't allow access to cvs history
11:15:11 <slava> hi all.
11:15:31 * slava is changing his game from using glColor() to glLight(), so that eventually i can add cool lighting effects
11:15:44 <slava> this will be the coolest 2d game ever :-)
11:18:00 <Robert> Since it involves Forth?
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11:32:37 <ianp> ouch :)
11:32:41 <ianp> woops
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12:35:03 <fridge> hah
12:35:32 <fridge> today is forth day
12:35:36 <fridge> the forthiest day of the year
12:36:19 <madgarden> What's so forthing forthy about today, for forth's sake!?
12:36:40 <blockhead> aww forth you  :D
12:37:08 <fridge> I'm forthing, for a change.
12:37:22 <blockhead> cool.  what forth?
12:37:25 <fridge> week off work =)
12:37:36 <blockhead> week off is good
12:37:59 <fridge> pfe for now, picforth later
12:41:50 <madgarden> one more week, and I'm back to work, woo!
12:42:03 <madgarden> Going to see how much game stuff I can get done during that time.
12:42:40 <blockhead> game stuff?
12:43:41 <madgarden> Yep, I have a couple game projects on the go.
12:43:47 <madgarden> 2D retro style stuff.
12:44:03 <blockhead> oh!  *creating* games.  Neat!
12:44:21 <madgarden> Yea, I've been infected with that bug since I was 8 or so. 
12:44:42 <fridge> oh yeah, gotta try dragonforth this week too!
12:45:14 <madgarden> What is it?
12:45:32 <fridge> palm based forth that was recently open-sourced
12:45:33 <madgarden> Oh, maybe I'll also work on the VM Forthbot with networm.
12:45:37 <madgarden> Ahh, cool.
12:45:47 <madgarden> How does one Forth with a stylus?
12:46:08 <fridge> I had been writing text files on the computer and uploading them
12:46:23 <fridge> but with quartus forth you can use the screen keyboard
12:46:30 <fridge> pforth would crash when you tried to do so
12:46:46 <fridge> so pforth you really were stuck with the stylus 'grafitti' style
12:47:50 <madgarden> I'd imagine that would be quite annoying.
12:48:00 <madgarden> Forth on a palmtop would be fun though.
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12:48:18 <madgarden> Thumb-typing would be better suited to it than other languages I'd think.
12:49:03 <fridge> palmtop? like the old organiser-style things with 64kb memory?
12:49:57 <fridge> ahhyea!
12:50:27 <madgarden> Like the newfangled really small laptops that are too small for your lap.
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12:50:57 <fridge> I think I'd prefer that to a stylus based pda
12:51:08 <fridge> despite not being able to touch type on them
12:51:51 <madgarden> Yea, I've never used a stylus pda, and I think I'd rather just bypass the effort completely.
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13:03:12 <root> he-e-e-ey folks !!!!!
13:03:39 <fridge> ey root
13:04:21 <fridge> http://www.hoasm.org/IVM/Picforth.html
13:04:22 <fridge> hmm
13:04:26 <fridge> didn't know that
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13:08:57 <Serg> 1
13:09:06 <Serg> re !
13:09:10 <Serg> users
13:09:26 * Serg goes PLOKTA mode
13:09:42 <Serg> heeeey, anyone answer me just for test !
13:09:52 <Robert> Hi Serg
13:09:57 <Serg> hi !
13:10:17 <Robert> I just heard a russian on my receiver. Its filter is working great!
13:10:25 <Robert> And so is this loop antenna I just set up.
13:10:26 <Serg> i just rised PPP over GPRS mobile ;)
13:10:53 <Serg> size/height ?
13:12:15 <Serg> i got damn old IRC proggie, it's weird all ze way
13:12:40 <Serg> Knoppix live CD, installed to HDD w/ lotsa brainFSCK
13:13:25 <Serg> how can i find out who's online too ?
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13:15:41 <Serg> oops
13:16:06 <blockhead> :D
13:16:22 <blockhead> wb
13:16:46 * Serg is out of control, keep clear of my way :((
13:17:02 * blockhead gets out fo the way.  hides.
13:17:19 <Serg> ;))
13:17:45 <Serg> i mean i got VERY OLD irc proggie and dunno how to do things
13:18:05 <Robert> Serg: It's a small loop, I think about 2.5 x 4 meters. Indoors.
13:18:59 <Serg> Robert: how big is your town ? any QRN ?
13:19:24 <Robert> My town is pretty small, I think ~10000 persons live within 10km.
13:19:39 <Robert> And there isn't very much QRN.
13:19:44 <fridge> PLOTKA mode?
13:20:06 <Robert> However, my receiver isn't all that good at filtering out some broadcast stations. I suspect the audio output stage needs to be improved.
13:20:06 <Serg> Fridge: PLOKTA, Press Lotsa Keys To Abort
13:20:14 <fridge> hehe
13:20:15 <Robert> Heh.
13:20:30 <fridge> are you into amateur radio too robert?
13:21:03 <Robert> I guess so. At least I'm trying. :)
13:21:12 * Serg is in Moscow, ~10-20 _millions_
13:21:30 <Robert> Hehe!
13:21:50 <Serg> live in industrial district, near "Pravda" printing plants and 3-d transport ring
13:21:51 <fridge> I'm studying for unrestricted radio license
13:22:18 <Robert> fridge: I'll have that in a few weeks. :)
13:22:37 <fridge> cool!
13:22:52 <Serg> how can i disable MOTD in irssi ? it eats expensive kilobytes (0.3$ per MByte)
13:23:04 <chris-xp> hi
13:23:09 <chris-xp> Serg: #irssi
13:23:22 <fridge> Serg: I would argue that IRC itself wsates expensive kilobytes
13:23:28 <chris-xp> Serg: http://www.google.com/search?q=irssi+disable+motd
13:23:53 <Robert> I don't think you can do that.. Unless there's some special server command or something.
13:24:05 <Serg> fridge: communication is living
13:24:09 <chris-xp> xchat allows it to do that
13:24:23 <fridge> sure it just doesn't display it?
13:24:27 <mur> privet serjushka i aljushka
13:24:30 <Serg> Robert: NO, you need to say /motd to see MOTD
13:24:34 <Robert> chris-xp: Does it just ignore the motd, or does it make the server to not send it?
13:24:44 <fridge> oh
13:24:47 <chris-xp> Robert: no idea....
13:24:50 <fridge> I should read the IRC spec sometime
13:24:51 <chris-xp> Robert: lemme try
13:24:53 <mur> bchje harasho tam
13:25:01 <mur> tyt = here, tam there?
13:25:05 <mur> or the otherwise around?
13:25:05 <Serg> Robert: MOTD is sent on special command: MOTD
13:25:17 <Serg> mur: exact
13:25:23 <Robert> Serg: Isn't it sent every time someone connects?
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13:25:37 <Serg> Robert: no, only on demand
13:25:42 <mur> no, i shto, bchjo harasho tyt :)
13:25:47 <Robert> Ah. Then it should be easy.
13:25:55 <chris-xp> actually, it seems that xchat doesn't do it anymore.
13:26:14 <chris-xp> :)
13:26:16 <chris-xp> bastard.
13:26:22 <mur> po-finskij tuolla tam i taalla tyt
13:26:31 <mur> a with umlauts in latter one
13:27:19 <mur> potechemu, tyt nje tuolla i tam nje t'a''a'll'a'
13:27:24 * Serg gonna start X and try better client
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13:30:33 <Serg> re w/ Xchat
13:32:19 <Serg> dammit, it does MOTD too
13:32:41 <blockhead> is there a menu option to idsbale MOTD?
13:32:58 <blockhead> disable, not idsbale
13:34:32 <Serg> brr, X hurts eye w/ 60 hz
13:35:03 <blockhead> set to a darker style
13:35:09 <blockhead> might help the flicker
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13:36:24 <chris-xp> Serg: prepare to be DoS'ed
13:36:33 <Serg> that bitch seems to suck traffic :(((
13:36:44 <Serg> ????
13:37:53 <chris-xp> `(~root
13:37:56 <chris-xp> note the user name ...
13:37:58 * chris-xp whistles
13:38:00 * chris-xp hacks Serg
13:38:27 <chris-xp> ah hah, munmap vulnerability....
13:38:29 <blockhead> you mean: <chris-xp> --> Serg (~root@193.201.231.126) has joined #forth  ?
13:38:36 <chris-xp> blockhead: :)
13:38:51 * Serg is uncertain am i behind NAT or not...
13:39:13 <chris-xp> Serg: you got a router at your house that your box is connected to?
13:39:42 <Serg> no, i'm through GPRS mobile phone
13:39:59 <chris-xp> aah, ok :)
13:40:27 <Serg> am i pingable ?
13:40:53 <chris-xp> --- Ping reply from Serg : 2.70 second(s)
13:40:57 <chris-xp> :P
13:41:21 <Serg> so i have "white" IP ? _dammit!_
13:41:47 <chris-xp> hold on...
13:41:57 <chris-xp> C:\Documents and Settings\Chris Walton>ping 192.201.231.126
13:42:01 <chris-xp> Pinging 192.201.231.126 with 32 bytes of data:
13:42:07 <chris-xp> Request timed out.
13:42:07 <Serg> pse NO MUCH TRAFFIC !!!!
13:42:09 <chris-xp> Request timed out.
13:42:11 <chris-xp> Request timed out.
13:42:13 <chris-xp> Request timed out.
13:42:17 <chris-xp> Ping statistics for 192.201.231.126:
13:42:21 <chris-xp>     Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 0, Lost = 4 (100% loss),
13:42:27 <chris-xp> C:\Documents and Settings\Chris Walton>
13:42:29 <chris-xp> forgive teh flood
13:42:31 <chris-xp> sorry.
13:42:35 * chris-xp considers flooding the bible
13:43:07 <blockhead> then it would be all soggy
13:43:20 <blockhead> it might smell after awhile
13:43:30 <blockhead> :)
13:44:10 <Serg> damn XP refused to work w/ GPRS, demanded some "drivers"
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13:45:05 <blockhead> dang, that was weird
13:47:36 <Serg> ok, i gonna sleep, ):47 here
13:47:51 <Serg> 00:47
13:47:57 <Serg> bye !
13:47:58 <blockhead> 'nn Serg  :)
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14:29:52 <TheBlueWizard> hiya all
14:30:15 <madgarden> Greetings, program.
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15:40:23 <mur> hey!
15:43:19 <chris-xp> aargh wtf
15:43:45 <mur> TheBlueWizard: i have a question for you
15:46:26 <chris-xp> ok, windows is being a dick
15:46:27 <chris-xp> brb
15:46:54 <blockhead> windows is always being a dick  :)
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16:02:42 <TheBlueWizard> hiya mur....was AFK
16:02:59 <TheBlueWizard> go ahead and ask a question, mur
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16:12:24 <chris-xp> heehee
16:12:28 <chris-xp> you know whats cool?
16:12:32 <Sonarman> what?
16:12:39 <blockhead> ice
16:12:50 <chris-xp> hehe
16:12:56 <chris-xp> I got my uncle's small TV hooked up
16:13:01 <chris-xp> to my computer
16:13:06 <chris-xp> and thats my sole IRC window now
16:13:06 <chris-xp> :)
16:13:42 <blockhead> so we're on tv  :)
16:13:44 <Sonarman> you've got a dual-head setup?
16:14:09 <blockhead> what screen res your running at?
16:14:59 <chris-xp> well, my normal one is the max for my monitor (1280), but this TV is tiny so its at 640
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16:18:09 <chris-xp> hi networm, you're on TV!
16:23:00 <mur> damn! why can't i be on tv ! :(
16:23:12 <chris-xp> mur: you are!
16:27:42 <networm> on TV?
16:27:48 <chris-xp> YES!!
16:27:56 <chris-xp> THIS VERY MOMENT EVERYBODY IN FORTH IS ON TV!
16:28:02 <chris-xp> in #forth
16:28:05 <blockhead> on chris's tv
16:28:11 <networm> heh
16:28:14 <chris-xp> blockhead: dammit, you had to spoil it :(
16:28:39 <blockhead> oh.  sorry.  I did't mean to.
16:28:40 <mur> chris-xp: we call those monitors in finland 
16:28:43 <blockhead> :(
16:28:43 <mur> or screens
16:28:44 <chris-xp> dammit, my cygwin rootless X doesn't go onto the second monitor
16:28:49 <chris-xp> gonna have to do multiwindow :(
16:28:58 <chris-xp> well, its a TV :)
16:29:02 <mur> hm
16:29:04 <mur> hehe
16:29:09 <mur> commodore-64
16:29:46 <chris-xp> :)
16:29:48 <chris-xp> man
16:29:52 <chris-xp> this resolution sucks
16:30:05 <chris-xp> I wish winblows let me set it at 320x240
16:30:07 <chris-xp> :)
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16:34:59 <chris-cyg> :)
16:35:23 <chris-xp> gonna perform a test
16:35:39 <chris-xp> irssi should be better than xchat on small res
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16:38:23 <chris-cy1> oh what the hell
16:38:30 <chris-cy1> X isn't rendering on the second monitor
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16:41:39 <chris-xp> lalalaaaa
16:41:43 <chris-xp> lalalaaa
16:41:47 <chris-xp> lalalaaa
16:41:49 <chris-xp> lalalaaa
16:41:51 <chris-xp> lalalaaa
16:41:53 <chris-xp> :)
16:41:55 <chris-xp> this is so cool
16:42:54 <blockhead> and now a word from out sponser: we'll return to chris-xp's tv in just a moment  :D
16:43:05 <TheBlueWizard> lol
16:43:37 <blockhead> buy forth.  it's cool.  Same low price!  :D
16:43:52 <chris-xp> :)
16:43:56 <blockhead> do you surf the net?  Maybe you shoudld try IRC!
16:44:31 <blockhead> and now we return you to "chris-xp's tv
16:44:35 <chris-xp> IRCNet --- O;d crappy services with ident required and no services, but we're old and reliable!! *cough*
16:44:40 <blockhead> "'
16:44:44 <chris-xp> Welcome back folks!
16:44:51 <chris-xp> We are here today in #forth
16:47:45 <blockhead> our next contestent is .... 
16:47:59 <chris-xp> mmkay, I gotta work now ... :(
16:48:50 <chris-xp> tell kc5tja of my whereabouts should he arrive before I come back (little less than 5 hours. most likely)
16:49:30 <chris-xp> ok?
16:50:21 <chris-xp> oh yeah, and same with tathi
16:50:34 <chris-xp> Sonarman: Will you be on? I'll get the song then if you will be.
16:57:09 * chris-xp is away: work
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17:24:05 <Sonarman> chris-xp: i'll be on untill eleven PM or so
17:44:54 <blockhead> 'nn all
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17:49:13 <LOOPHOG> hodi hodi
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18:09:01 <TheBlueWizard> gotta go...bye all
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18:32:20 <qFox> anyone remember how to defeat the dark link in zelda 64, ocarina of time? :p
18:35:07 <LOOPHOG> i never played it
18:35:45 <LOOPHOG> i am going to sell Radiant Silvergun and Thunder Force V for the Saturn JP
18:36:02 <qFox> saturn o_0
18:36:18 <LOOPHOG> i liked it alot in its day
18:36:42 <LOOPHOG> you need a Japaneese Saturn or a Converter to play these games, and i don't have one anymore, mine broke
18:36:48 <LOOPHOG> my converter, an ST-Key
18:37:02 <madgarden> There must be a Saturn emu out there, surely.
18:37:43 <LOOPHOG> I haven't looked
18:40:02 <qFox> hmmmm need to figure it out to
18:40:05 <qFox> i did it once
18:40:09 <qFox> long long time ago
18:40:13 <qFox> so i can do it again
18:40:23 <qFox> i think it had something to do with relfection
18:40:29 <qFox> as that seems to be the theme of this puzzle
18:41:25 <LOOPHOG> you'll get it
18:44:35 <qFox> broke my stupid huge breaksword
18:44:43 <qFox> cost me another 200 rupees ;(
18:53:37 <qFox> fudge
18:53:41 <qFox> just fight it
18:53:44 <qFox> grr
19:03:08 <qFox> well woot..
19:05:02 <Sonarman> just use a game shark :)
19:05:07 <qFox> neg
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19:30:08 <LoopHawg> hi
19:30:24 --- nick: LoopHawg -> LOOPHOG
19:31:15 <LOOPHOG> : TEST  ( n --  )  0 DO  I . CR  LOOP ;
19:32:17 <madgarden> : test for i . cr next ;
19:33:13 <LOOPHOG> you use FOR
19:34:20 <LOOPHOG> i wonder what it would take to get SwiftX up on the GBA?
19:34:30 <madgarden> I like FOR.
19:34:40 <LOOPHOG> that might be kind of a kewl project
19:34:42 <LOOPHOG> I like DO
19:34:43 <madgarden> Wouldn't SwiftX be a bit beefy for the GBA?
19:34:48 <LOOPHOG> I don't know
19:35:05 <madgarden> Plus, it's commercial.
19:35:07 <LOOPHOG> maybe not the Pro version, but the basic version is $450
19:35:19 <madgarden> No thanks!
19:35:35 <LOOPHOG> yes, its commercial, but it works now and judging from SwiftForth its probably pretty decient
19:35:51 <LOOPHOG> There is a free eval CD, maybe I'll get
19:36:04 <LOOPHOG> but I just got Petzold, so i should probably just read that
19:37:53 <madgarden> I'd rather port Blazin' Forth to the GBA. :)
19:38:12 <LOOPHOG> what is Blazin' Forth like?
19:40:24 <madgarden> F83 for C64.
19:40:36 <madgarden> Helluva lot faster than the BASIC on that thing!
19:40:37 <LOOPHOG> could you do that?
19:40:52 <LOOPHOG> BASIC on an old 8 bitter VS FORTH ... NO CONTEST
19:40:56 <madgarden> :)
19:41:53 <LOOPHOG> BASIC VS FORTH in a Fighting Game like mortal combat
19:42:02 <LOOPHOG> evil voice: FIGHT!
19:42:19 <LOOPHOG> FORTH smacks BASIC once, and WHAM! toast
19:43:02 <LOOPHOG> I wish that I had FORTH for my ATARI 800XL, but I never had a Floppy for it.
19:50:10 <madgarden> Emulators!
19:50:34 <LOOPHOG> Yes, i could do that
19:50:51 <LOOPHOG> but i'm think i'll do something else
19:51:55 <madgarden> Yea, I wish I'd had Blazin' Forth back in my C64 days.
19:52:40 <LOOPHOG> The First good Forth I had was ForthMacs for the AtariST
19:52:46 <LOOPHOG> I learned on that baby
19:53:51 <madgarden> I just learned Forth recently. Still learning.
19:54:12 <LOOPHOG> is there anything that you get confused with?
19:54:58 <LOOPHOG> is there anything that you are stuck on or are having difficulty with?
19:55:27 <madgarden> Sure, every day. :P
19:55:37 <LOOPHOG> in Forth
19:55:46 <madgarden> And usually, it differs by Forth implementation.
19:55:59 <LOOPHOG> what ones have you tried
19:56:30 <LOOPHOG> "Forth, easy to learn, difficult to master." LoopHog
19:57:00 <madgarden> Started out with FICL.
19:57:31 <madgarden> Mostly play in my own Forthy scripting system, gForth, MINForth, and Win32Forth.
19:57:46 <madgarden> And mostly, not writing programs but exploring the depths of Forth.
19:57:48 <LOOPHOG> I used Win32Forth for awhile
19:57:55 <madgarden> It crashes too much. :)
19:58:00 <madgarden> I like VM Forths now.
19:59:06 <LOOPHOG> indirect threaded
20:01:17 <madgarden> Doesn't have to be.
20:02:39 <LOOPHOG> direct threaded
20:02:59 <madgarden> It's really irrelevent.
20:03:05 <LOOPHOG> i guess
20:03:06 <madgarden> At least one a VM, it won't crash.
20:03:09 <madgarden> on a
20:03:40 <LOOPHOG> subroutine threaded
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20:03:50 <LOOPHOG> just tyring to remember the different kinds of vm
20:04:41 <madgarden> Subroutine threaded isn't a VM, it's a threading model.
20:04:54 <LOOPHOG> you are right
20:05:22 <madgarden> ITC, DTC, STC, TTC
20:05:31 <Sonarman> TTC?
20:05:33 <madgarden> token
20:05:34 <Sonarman> oh, token
20:05:37 <Sonarman> gah
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20:05:47 <Sonarman> hi mark!
20:05:50 <Mark4> hi
20:13:33 <LOOPHOG> i'm going to go get ice-cream
20:14:10 <Sonarman> Herkamire: do you know how to change the fonts a Mac OS 7-9 program uses using ResEdit?  what resource needs to be edited?  i'm trying to change the ultra-small font used in Quick Edit for MOPS to something more readable
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20:28:48 <Herkamire> Sonarman: I don't know. I just used the default font. I don't even know if it's in the resources
20:31:09 <Herkamire> I thought you could change the font in MOPS
20:31:31 <Herkamire> I don't remember. I never used MOPS long enough to get it set up properly
20:39:02 <Sonarman> well, the application itself is binary-only and written in power macforth.  i was just wondering if there was a specific resource.  thanks anyway
20:41:14 <Sonarman> because it hurts my eyes :)
20:42:46 <Sonarman> i guess there's always SimpleText :)
20:49:39 <Herkamire> run resedit on simpletext :) see if you can find a resource for it
21:07:22 <Sonarman> ah!
21:07:33 <Sonarman> yes, because it's probably simpler!  good idea
21:09:59 <Sonarman> feh, i give up.  i'll just use simpletext
21:14:00 <Herkamire> and because it has a font you like :)
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21:22:11 * chris-xp is back (gone 04:25:00)
21:22:22 <chris-xp> kc5tja: hi there :)
21:24:45 <kc5tja> hello
21:26:39 <chris-xp> kc5tja: you're on TV
21:26:50 <kc5tja> I am?
21:26:55 <chris-xp> Yes
21:26:59 <kc5tja> How so/
21:27:00 <kc5tja> ?
21:27:01 <chris-xp> Along with everybody in #forth
21:27:13 <kc5tja> HI MOM!
21:27:17 <kc5tja> >:)
21:27:20 <chris-xp> :P
21:27:21 <kc5tja> What's the special occasion?
21:27:46 <chris-xp> I set up a TV as a second monitor, and I put xchat there.
21:27:47 <kc5tja> Or did you hook your TV to your video card/
21:27:52 <chris-xp> so, you're on TV :)
21:27:53 <kc5tja> Ahh.  :)
21:27:56 <kc5tja> HI MOM!!!
21:27:57 <chris-xp> haha, you guessed it :)
21:27:59 <chris-xp> :)
21:28:23 <chris-xp> I need to nove it though, I don't like it where it is right now.
21:28:27 * kc5tja nods
21:28:39 <chris-xp> kc5tja: so, whats new?
21:29:22 <kc5tja> Taking a break from programming on my customer's code.
21:30:37 <chris-xp> Cool
21:30:46 <chris-xp> Frapiar is pending Savannah Approval
21:30:59 <chris-xp> which reminds me, I need to check my emails :)
21:31:38 <kc5tja> heheh :)
21:31:49 <kc5tja> BTW, my shift keys are definitely not working right tonight.
21:32:00 <kc5tja> so if it seems like i'm typing like an aoler newbie, that's why.
21:32:04 <kc5tja> ^-- case in poitn.
21:32:06 <kc5tja> point even
21:32:22 <chris-xp> kc5tja: you might want to consider aiming away from the keyboard when masturbating :)
21:33:05 <kc5tja> I'm sorry, but I don't use my computer for such things.
21:33:06 <Herkamire> my right shift key sometimes makes >>>>>>>>>>> if you press it hard on the top right :)
21:33:09 <kc5tja> that is not an issue.
21:33:51 <kc5tja> Our local PC Club store has a logitech keyboard that reminds me much of an original Apple iigs keyboard.
21:33:54 * kc5tja is thinking of getting it.
21:34:04 <kc5tja> I'll have to relearn dvorak, though, since the keyboard is a non-ergo keyboard.
21:36:17 <chris-xp> *sigh*
21:36:23 <chris-xp> ergo keyboards piss me off
21:36:37 * kc5tja must be the only one that likes ergo keyboards.  ;)
21:36:38 <chris-xp> IF I WANT TO FUCKING PRESS J WITH MY LEFT HAND, THEN I WILL!
21:36:39 <chris-xp> :)
21:36:51 <chris-xp> which I do, by the way
21:36:56 <kc5tja> I use an ergo keyboard because of pains in my wrists.
21:37:11 <chris-xp> I don't adhere to the 10-finger system - instead, I choose finger by the closest, most available one
21:37:22 <kc5tja> But if I purchase that other keyboard, i'll have to relearn Dvorak, to get the same basic relief.
21:37:27 <chris-xp> and if that happens to be my left finger, then so be it :)
21:37:47 <chris-xp> kc5tja: actually, ergo keyboards hurt me personally more.
21:37:55 <kc5tja> not me.
21:38:07 <chris-xp> then again, I don't go adsfjkl;
21:38:09 <kc5tja> flat keyboards (QWERTY) hurt me more, quite definitely.
21:38:23 <chris-xp> I go something like asdvnkl; 
21:38:45 <chris-xp> I type better that way, especially when coding :)
21:38:49 * kc5tja nods
21:38:54 <chris-xp> printf("Hello, World!\n");
21:38:55 <chris-xp> :)
21:39:20 <kc5tja> I'm shocked.
21:39:35 <chris-xp> ?
21:39:37 <chris-xp> oh
21:39:37 <chris-xp> sorry
21:39:45 <chris-xp> ." Hello, World!" CR
21:39:51 <chris-xp> :0
21:39:52 <chris-xp> :)
21:39:53 * kc5tja is surprised you didn't type something like, [[myconsole handle] writeBytes: "Hello World!"] or something.
21:40:04 <chris-xp> heh lol
21:40:46 <chris-xp> I'm definetely not doing cout << Hello, World!
21:41:23 * kc5tja nods
21:41:52 <kc5tja> i never did understand what was meant by shifting cout 9a file handle, basically) by "Hello, World!".  ;)
21:43:47 <chris-xp> :P
21:43:54 <chris-xp> damn C++ers
21:44:27 <kc5tja> ls
21:44:28 <kc5tja> oops
21:45:52 <chris-xp> ls -r /usr/src/linux/* | grep 'fuck
21:45:58 <chris-xp> ls -r /usr/src/linux/* | grep 'fuck' | wc -l
21:46:00 <chris-xp> oops!
21:46:00 <chris-xp> :)
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21:50:36 <chris-xp> terve mur :)
21:51:37 <fridge> chris-xp, I find it unlikely that they would name any files such
21:56:08 <chris-xp> oh, yeah, oops
21:56:10 <chris-xp> :P
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22:12:20 <chris-xp> lol
22:12:39 <chris-xp> 2ms join :P
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22:54:06 <chris-misato> :)
22:56:50 <Sonarman> awesome!  herkforth 0.4
22:57:22 <chris-misato> heh
22:57:27 <chris-misato> I can't ruyn it :P
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