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00:00:10 <imaginator> (Note: that code doesn't do error checking.  My latest experiments have a more recent version with error checking.)
00:00:37 <imaginator> OrngeTide: what's your dictionary like?
00:00:38 <OrngeTide> well i just did something to my program and i stopped optimizing tail calls. so this proves it's not reliable enough to be useful. too bad
00:01:11 <imaginator> :( bummer
00:01:22 <OrngeTide> imaginator, i don't have a working dictionary yet. :(
00:02:34 <OrngeTide> how does this hash work?
00:03:46 <imaginator> It splits chars in half and uses the actual values of those chars as indexes into arrays of pointers.
00:04:08 <OrngeTide> oh. i see
00:04:13 <imaginator> I told someone about it last week and I think I just confused him.
00:04:29 <imaginator> My first structure I called a pig, because it used 256 pointers per char.
00:04:36 <OrngeTide> wait. couldn't you use that for a tree search?
00:04:48 <imaginator> What do you mean?
00:04:54 <OrngeTide> have 16 children per node. 
00:05:24 <OrngeTide> and the ends would be the dict entry.
00:05:32 <imaginator> yes, that's how it works.
00:05:42 <OrngeTide> oh. i see.
00:05:55 <imaginator> This was my first version of it: http://www.xmission.com/~georgeps/var/pig_structure-2.c
00:06:08 <imaginator> I then made it 4-bit to save memory.
00:06:20 <OrngeTide> it would use more memory but it would have a very predictable execution time.
00:06:41 <OrngeTide> sure. that makes sense to me.
00:06:47 <imaginator> :)
00:07:21 <OrngeTide> hrm. i was just planning on making a linked list for my dictionary and walking through it.
00:08:08 <imaginator> My Forth is going to have many, many words, so that's part of the reason why I built/designed this.
00:08:29 <OrngeTide> do forths allow you to delete compiled words? like if you made a mistake or decide you don't need it anymore? i couldn't think of how to do that, nor do I know of a word in any forth to do that.
00:08:51 <imaginator> Ficl and pforth have forget
00:09:08 <imaginator> If you use a somewhat standard hash table it could be easier to forget words.
00:09:40 <OrngeTide> yea. most forths have forget. some even have a way to remember them. so it seems to me that the memory is never reclaimed
00:09:45 <imaginator> In my 4-bit AE (association engine) the AE structure would remain on a forget, but I would remove the value at that node.
00:10:41 <imaginator> My compiler currently inlines words, so it wouldn't matter if I forgot an entry in the hash or the AE.
00:11:36 <OrngeTide> imaginator, it inlines everything?
00:11:49 <imaginator> So, say we have the word : incr 1 + .   Well that translates to: PUSH, 1, ADD.  So every call that gets compiled would have that copied to the array and ran.
00:12:08 <imaginator> If we forget incr even after we have compiled it won't affect the array.
00:12:22 <imaginator> ran/run
00:12:36 <OrngeTide> i see. 
00:19:49 <imaginator> OrngeTide what's the name of your Forth?
00:20:38 <OrngeTide> imaginator, which one? the one i just discards?
00:20:41 <OrngeTide> er.. discarded
00:21:13 <imaginator> your favorite :)
00:21:41 <imaginator> I'm learning so much from creating a Forth.
00:22:04 <imaginator> To me it's fun even if I end up with something I don't use much (which I doubt will happen).  Is it like that for you?
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00:22:59 <OrngeTide> imaginator, yea. i like writing small bits of very dynamic code. and what can be more dynamic than some kind of programmable interpreter?
00:23:44 <OrngeTide> of course a full blown forth is way more practical than the stuff i normally write.
00:24:52 <imaginator> I read an interview with Moore and he said that he was disappointed by the complexity of standard Forth.
00:25:35 <imaginator> I looked at the Forth Inc. book I got and I saw all these words, and I thought "Oh, crap!  This will take me years to figure out."  Then I read that interview and it gave me hope.
00:28:11 <OrngeTide> heh. well machineforth is pretty simple. and you can write a machineforth interpreter for x86 in under 256 bytes of asm.
00:28:51 <imaginator> That's cool.  I haven't tried that forth.
00:28:59 <imaginator> Is that a DOS Forth?
00:29:20 <imaginator> or like on the bare machine without an OS?
00:30:07 <imaginator> oh the processor?
00:30:24 <OrngeTide> imaginator, well machineforth is the MuP21/F21 chip. but people have used the same designed to make other forths.
00:30:38 <OrngeTide> it only requires 28 core words or something.
00:31:15 <OrngeTide> someone in here was working on a machineforth interpreter in a 512 byte x86 bootsector. and it would be a complete OS written in MF
00:35:34 <imaginator> For a couple of days I've been playing with copying inlined asm instructions, and using those instructions as core words, while keeping most of the Forth in C.
00:35:49 <imaginator> (not really a forth right -- just an experiment)
00:36:58 <imaginator> I've discovered that calls aren't relocatable, unless I do an indirect call like asm ("movl $printf,%eax"); asm ("call *%eax");
00:38:06 <imaginator> And items get pushed by appending the opcode for a 4 byte push which is 104, and then appending the value to push.
00:38:17 <OrngeTide> yea. although in C you have a dynamic linker which can play games patching symbols to relocate them
00:39:49 <imaginator> It sometimes amazes me that it all works as well as it does.
00:39:59 <imaginator> (operating systems in general and written in C)
00:53:42 <OrngeTide> so what does your dictionary entry look like? I was thinking of something along the lines of struct dict { char *name; fword_t *code; unsigned flags; };
00:54:31 <OrngeTide> seems like i'm missing something though.
01:03:34 <OrngeTide> http://www.compusmart.ab.ca/rc/Timbre/BilingualProgramming.html ... this is awesome. it parses some forth subset into C. and you can inline bits of C code if you want to. and the output C code is actually easier to read than normal C. :)
01:17:44 * imaginator was busy
01:18:02 <imaginator> My dictionary is like vm->words = Perpheon_create_assoc ();
01:18:22 <imaginator> That gives me an initial structure with 14 pointers, and a void *value.
01:18:36 <OrngeTide> oh.
01:18:49 <OrngeTide> i don't think i like that. i'll think of something.
01:19:39 <imaginator> In my compile() ':' creates a new array with malloc and instructions get appended until .
01:20:08 <OrngeTide> i'm very much against malloc.
01:20:20 <imaginator> When .  is reached it uses the first word after the : and calls Perpheon_assoc (vm->words, &word_name, word_ar);
01:20:37 <imaginator> Why?  You coding for a bare machine?
01:21:25 <OrngeTide> i don't believe in depending on libc for a forth.
01:21:53 <imaginator> How do you get keyboard input then?  How do you read files?
01:21:57 <OrngeTide> system calls
01:23:21 <imaginator> mmap?
01:24:03 <OrngeTide> that's a system call as well.
01:24:24 <OrngeTide> although mmap is really only useful for large regions of memory.
01:24:39 <OrngeTide> so like i'm thinking of having one big mmapped block for the dictionary.
01:27:38 <imaginator> good luck :)
01:38:15 <imaginator> sleep time for me.  I must go Forth to sleep.
01:38:26 <imaginator> :)
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05:54:38 <schihei> how can I concate two strings in forth?
05:56:16 <Robert> Depends on which Forth you use, some may have pre-written functions for that.
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07:44:26 <slava> what's going on?
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07:54:41 <ASau> Dobryjj vecher!
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09:10:12 <Robert> Hi
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10:01:08 <madgarden> For some crazy reason, my #forth window got closed. Blasphemy!
10:01:16 <slava> hi madgarden
10:01:49 <madgarden> hi ya
10:03:29 * slava is debugging a problem with continuations
10:04:07 <madgarden> Your language supports continuations? 
10:04:21 <slava> yup
10:04:31 <madgarden> Is that intrinsic to Java?
10:04:46 <slava> no
10:05:01 <madgarden> coolness
10:07:03 <madgarden> I imagine it simply requires putting a continuation address on the stack.
10:07:08 <madgarden> Haven't thought about it really. :)
10:07:35 <madgarden> I'm able to pause my system and resume it, but that only works between C->Forthy.
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10:46:11 <madgarden> slava, what's wrong with your continuations?
10:46:32 <slava> madgarden, not continuations per se, but the way the game's eval thread interacts with timers. its obscure, and i've figured it out now :)
11:15:29 <slava> madgarden, fixed it
11:16:43 <madgarden> Excellent. ;)
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13:58:55 <fridge> hmm, cockatoos are fighting on my balcony
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14:05:17 <madgarden> Fighting Cockatoos... sounds like a band!
14:07:48 <slava> hi
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14:28:08 <madgarden> Does CREATE usually always leave the first cell of the created word's data and set HERE to the following cell?
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14:39:37 <slava> usually always? :)
14:41:13 <madgarden> Heh yea... mostly all the time. You know! ;)
14:41:43 <madgarden> like OMG jsut nsr teh qetn lololollolololo!!!1 
14:41:46 <madgarden> ;)
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14:50:14 <snowrichard> hello
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15:52:26 <networm> what is the word to check if a word is immediate?
16:05:17 <madgarden> networm, I think everyone's asleep.
16:06:20 <madgarden> I'm not sure if that word is in any spec.
16:06:43 <madgarden> Gforth has:
16:06:48 <madgarden> see immediate
16:06:49 <madgarden> : immediate
16:06:49 <madgarden>   immediate-mask lastflags cset ; ok
16:07:03 <madgarden> LASTFLAGS
16:07:32 <madgarden> which I imagine you'd AND with immediate-mask to check for immediacy
16:07:47 <madgarden> So in your case, implement it however you want. ;)
16:08:56 <madgarden> pForth:
16:08:56 <madgarden> see immediate
16:08:56 <madgarden> ( 83D67C )    LATEST DUP C@ FLAG_IMMEDIATE OR SWAP C! ;
16:10:14 <madgarden> Win32Forth:
16:10:15 <madgarden> see immediate
16:10:15 <madgarden> : IMMEDIATE     LAST @ lit "0x80" TOGGLE ;  ok
16:15:20 <networm> ah, thanks. thought IMMEDIATE is only for setting the flag
16:28:21 <madgarden> Well, it is only for setting the flag.
16:28:41 <madgarden> But, it contains words for getting the flag somehow.
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16:33:00 <Robert> God kväll.
16:33:21 <Speuler> hoi
16:34:03 <Robert> Hoe gaat het?
16:34:18 <Speuler> god, god
16:34:49 <Robert> "God" means tasty, "bra" means good. :)
16:34:57 <Speuler> ah.
16:35:01 <Speuler> bra, bra
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16:38:30 <Speuler> there's a forth opening in stockport/uk if someone is interested
16:38:45 <Robert> A bit too far away for me, I'm afraid.
16:39:02 <Speuler> "programming using Forth for Embedded systems/instrument control"
16:41:30 <arke> hiya
16:41:49 <Speuler> hi rk
16:42:15 <arke> :)
16:42:19 <arke> A good discussion is like a miniskirt; Short enough to pertain interest and long enough to cover the subject
16:42:27 <wossname> arke ar bra god med gravy
16:42:57 <arke> wossname: it auf mek panty bun cheese?
16:43:12 <wossname> that's disgusting :o
16:43:30 <arke> lol
16:43:34 <Speuler> http://forthfreak.net/1337.jpg
16:43:35 <arke> with a little bit of imagination
16:43:38 <arke> you could read that as
16:43:50 <arke> would you like some panties on your cheese?
16:44:41 <wossname> garfield sucks, but is a good blank slate ^_^
16:46:08 <arke> <pihlopase> Jesus Saves
16:46:08 <arke> <jbroome> pases to moses, SCOOOOORE
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17:00:12 <madgarden> Does Pygmy Forth use a seperate dictionary for immediate words?
17:00:37 <Speuler> yes, the compiler vocabulary
17:00:54 <madgarden> Ah.
17:01:17 <Speuler> inspired by cmforth
17:01:26 <Speuler> "charles moore forth"
17:01:50 <arke> anybody happen to have a quickc copy handy?
17:02:30 <madgarden> Seems like a good idea... but how does it handle the forgetting of words from one dictionary that are included in the other? 
17:02:48 <madgarden> (compiled in words of the other)
17:05:12 <Speuler> madgarden: immediate words are (usually) not compiled into other words
17:05:55 <Speuler> additionally, logical seperation of vocs does not mean they have to reside in non-contiguous space
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17:07:17 <Speuler> if you forget a word, usually all words compiled later will be forgotten too
17:07:41 <arke> nobody's got QC, eh?
17:07:44 <arke> nobody seems to lol
17:07:54 <arke> millions of people have QB, nobody has QC
17:07:55 <madgarden> Right... of course, makes sense now with contiguous dictionary space for both.
17:08:04 <madgarden> QC?
17:08:47 <arke> MS QuickC :)
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17:11:50 <madgarden> Didn't know there was such a thing! I was almost certain you couldn't have been talking about QuickBasic... ;)
17:12:18 <arke> ;)
17:12:21 <arke> QB is fun :)
17:12:25 <arke> but
17:12:46 <arke> what I'm looking for is something integrated in DOS that supports inline assembly and I can program well.
17:13:00 <arke> I'm quite familiar with the Quick-interface, so...
17:13:11 <arke> (its just for testing, so it doesn't really matter :))
17:13:47 <madgarden> I enjoyed BASIC too. :) On my C64.
17:14:17 <madgarden> How about gcc?
17:14:25 <arke> not integrated.
17:14:31 <arke> otherwise id be using djgpp
17:15:15 <madgarden> Well there's DevCPP.
17:15:38 <madgarden> Has to be DOS?
17:15:43 <madgarden> Rhide?
17:16:09 <arke> yeah, has to be DOS.
17:16:14 <arke> but it doesn't have to be C
17:16:25 <arke> but it does have to be an integrated environment, with inline asm
17:16:34 <Robert> Turbo Pascal!
17:16:42 <madgarden> Well I *think* that rhide + DJGPP would do the trick.
17:16:51 <madgarden> Yes, just offering what I know.
17:17:01 <arke> Robert: well, I'm not too familiar with Pascal.
17:17:07 <arke> Robert: just kinda sorta somewhat
17:17:15 <Robert> I think running 32-bit programs in DOS is...strange. :)
17:17:22 <arke> ^_^
17:17:25 <Robert> arke: Turbo C++ then.
17:17:40 <madgarden> What's wrong with Forth? :)
17:18:02 <Robert> Too primitive and hard to use?
17:18:08 <Robert> Not any good enough IDE?
17:18:35 <arke> Robert: cool, where can I get a copy tho?
17:18:44 <Speuler> madgarden: borland never made turbo forth ?
17:19:41 <madgarden> Speuler: Never heard of it... but that would've rocked. :) I'd love play in a Forth with a C-style IDE.
17:19:53 <Speuler> IDE ?
17:19:56 <Speuler> what for ?
17:20:11 <madgarden> Debugging?
17:20:12 <arke> BECAUSE ITS FUN
17:20:13 <arke> :)
17:20:24 <madgarden> Yes, programming should be fun.
17:20:45 <madgarden> More people would use Forth if there were nice IDEs for it.
17:20:49 <arke> ok, gotta look for turbo c++ now, since i can't fucking find QC
17:20:52 <Speuler> is IDE more fun than Forth ?
17:20:52 <networm> fun.. reminds me of ML
17:21:01 <arke> ML is an odd languiage
17:21:07 <madgarden> O'Caml
17:21:24 <madgarden> etc.
17:21:25 <networm> all i know about is, it has lots of fun in it :)
17:21:40 <madgarden> ;; is fun!
17:21:42 <arke> heh
17:21:48 <madgarden> Lets you feel like a spaz when programming.
17:21:49 <arke> i just messed a little with SML
17:22:38 <arke> fun map (f, nil) = nil | map (f, h::t) = f(h)::map(f, t);
17:22:55 <madgarden> arke, Oh, here's Turbo C for you! http://community.borland.com/article/images/20841/tc201.zip
17:23:24 <madgarden> 16-bit I think.
17:24:20 <arke> heh
17:24:23 <arke> already got tc++
17:24:25 <arke> thanks :)
17:24:28 <madgarden> Acxtually, I think it's 32-bit.
17:24:32 <arke> MS should do that with quickX
17:24:35 <madgarden> Oh.
17:24:42 <arke> probably even release the source with that
17:25:16 <madgarden> Turbo Pascal :P -> http://community.borland.com/article/images/20803/tp55.zip
17:27:45 <arke> ok, now i need to figure out TC++
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17:29:05 <arke> wtf...
17:29:08 <arke> hi kc5tja
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17:29:16 <arke> weird, lol
17:29:23 <arke> it gives me bunches of errors in iostream
17:29:26 <kc5tja> Howdy
17:29:27 <Robert> Hi kc5tja.
17:29:45 <Robert> arke: Don't use its C++ compiler. :)
17:29:58 <Robert> arke: I use it because its C compiler does a better job optimizing.
17:30:31 <Robert> Or rather, I _used_ it.. Don't have any DOS system here anymore.
17:30:47 <Robert> So many computers, and such a small room. :)
17:30:50 <arke> Robert: well, I'm not concerned with that :)
17:30:57 <arke> its bitching about class strstream
17:31:17 <arke> er
17:31:21 <arke> class streambuf;
17:31:22 <arke> that line
17:31:25 <arke> thats the first one.
17:31:33 <arke> I think its doing something awkward
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17:33:23 <Robert> Hi proteusguy 
17:33:30 <Robert> Heh.
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17:35:08 <arke> Robert: so... why is it bitching? :)
17:35:20 <Robert> Don't know. 
17:35:25 <arke> ,,,
17:35:25 <arke> :(
17:35:33 <arke> well
17:35:46 <arke> iostream.h doesn't include anything xcept mem.h
17:35:51 <arke> [and then it says 
17:35:56 <arke> class streambuf;
17:36:08 <arke> which, it seems, is illegal, and compiler says so
17:36:53 <Robert> Don't use C++ then.
17:37:05 <arke> but
17:37:06 <arke> but
17:37:07 <Robert> It's so old it's incompatible with everything anyway..
17:37:07 <arke> I wanna
17:37:09 <arke> lol
17:37:12 <arke> alright.
17:37:57 <arke> ...
17:37:57 <arke> lol
17:38:02 <arke> stdio.h works just fine
17:39:26 <arke> ok, now to figure out the inline assembler...
17:40:54 <arke> aah, fairly straightforward.
17:42:45 <arke> oh what the hell
17:42:48 <arke> doesn't come with tasm
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18:00:39 <arke> OK i give up on tcc
18:01:06 <arke> Sonarman: hi matt
18:02:17 <Sonarman> hi
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18:08:46 <madgarden> Does CREATE normally construct a word with a DOVAR code field?
18:09:25 <Speuler> madgarden: post-f79 yes
18:10:24 <madgarden> OK, so variables then will have at least one empty data field, for the potential DODOES code address.
18:11:01 <Speuler> depends on does> implementation
18:12:16 <madgarden> Well, if CREATE makes a variable, you compile some values into it, and then execute DOES>, there must be a data field reserved at the start of data for the address... 
18:12:41 <Speuler> code field may be overwritten
18:12:58 <madgarden> Yea, it will be overwritten when DOES> is executed in the defining word.
18:13:16 <madgarden> (DODOES or something goes into code field)
18:13:30 <madgarden> So, DODOES must know where to look for the DOES> code address.
18:13:41 <Speuler> or pointer to defining word, with dodoes inlined there
18:14:06 <madgarden> Hmm. OK.
18:14:06 <Speuler> there are several ways to implement that
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19:05:04 <networm> http://forth.sourceforge.net/standard/fst83/fst83-12.htm#colon
19:05:15 <networm> for a moment i thought i'm seeing double :)
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19:19:48 <madgarden> : and ; 
19:19:48 <madgarden> ?
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19:20:13 <TheBlueWizard> hiya all
19:20:32 <madgarden> gteerz
19:20:34 <madgarden> er
19:20:42 <madgarden> that was a dyslexic "greetz"
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19:21:39 <TheBlueWizard> um, hi madgarden
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19:22:30 <TheBlueWizard> hiya Sonarman
19:22:47 <Sonarman> hi!
19:24:00 <TheBlueWizard> :)
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19:25:05 <snowrichard> hello
19:25:12 <TheBlueWizard> hiya snowrichard
19:25:47 <snowrichard> how are you? It was unseasonably warm here today I have turned on the AC
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19:32:46 <TheBlueWizard> me...things are going fine
19:50:30 <TheBlueWizard> gotta go...bye all
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21:02:17 <|chris|> hi all
21:02:29 <|chris|> arke, hi myself!
21:02:31 <|chris|> :)
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21:54:47 <LOOPHOG> hmmm
21:55:32 <|chris|> hi LOOPHOG
21:55:54 <LOOPHOG> anything exciting been going on in this group lately?
21:56:02 <LOOPHOG> do u know?
21:56:35 <kc5tja> Well, you can always check the logs.
21:56:36 <kc5tja> :)
21:56:49 <|chris|> :)
21:56:56 <LOOPHOG> :)
21:59:32 <ASau> arke!!! Take a look at http://openwatcom.org/ !
21:59:43 <|chris|> ok, thanks ASau :)
21:59:46 <ASau> Dobre jitro!
21:59:55 <|chris|> Dobryjj Vecher :
22:01:00 <ASau> |chris|, are you German?
22:01:40 <|chris|> Yep :)
22:04:02 <LOOPHOG> i still haven't written my own Forth yet
22:13:19 <ASau> |chris|, why write nouns in caps?
22:13:53 <ASau> Does anyone know what Wiki ForthFreak.net uses?
22:13:59 <|chris|> Dunno .... 
22:14:07 <|chris|> ASau, i think its a Speuler homebrew
22:14:07 <LOOPHOG> i do not know
22:15:43 <ASau> Maybe, someone could recall what did he say about his site.
22:16:08 <ASau> It seems he has said once.
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22:44:46 <LOOPHOG> who wants a colorForth keyboard?
22:51:32 <|chris|> lol
22:51:39 <|chris|> I'm gonna leasve, might be back soonb
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22:53:33 <LOOPHOG> i might take one, but i would want a box to switch between my conventional keyboard and my custom one
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23:03:45 <LOOPHOG> i'm getting sleepy
23:03:52 <LOOPHOG> good nite
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23:26:57 <slava> hi
23:30:00 <|chris|> hi
23:47:47 <slava> i've almost figured out how to calculate the stack effect of recursive functions.
23:47:57 <slava> s/functions/words/ :)
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