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00:00:38 <Serg> err !
00:00:44 <Serg> see at http://cryptomancer.narod.ru
00:54:01 <ASau> I thought there should be radists' echo.
00:55:56 <Serg> they discuss only fu...g QRM from 144 MHz cordless phones and prices for old trash parts ;((
00:58:44 <ASau> Maybe USENET?
01:00:26 <Serg> no hell good client ;(( Outlook is buggy, Forte Agent - screws up RU and is optimized for leased line ;((
01:04:33 <ASau> slrn?
01:04:38 <ASau> Gnus?
01:05:11 <ASau> mail2news gate?
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04:40:33 <Speuler> mur, awake ?
04:43:12 <Robert> Hi Speuler 
04:43:19 <Robert> Nice hostname you got there. :)
04:43:36 <Speuler> :)
04:43:54 <Speuler> got ircproxy running on the forthfreak machine
04:45:08 <Speuler> kind of fits
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05:03:54 <Speuler> emerge mplayer-plugin  --> !!! File is corrupt or incomplete. (Digests do not match)   - war vor'n paar tagen auch schon so. loesung ?
05:03:59 <Speuler> ehm
05:04:02 <Speuler> wrong channel 
05:05:29 <mur> hey
05:05:33 <mur> Speuler: now i am
05:05:45 <Speuler> good
05:06:04 <Speuler> do you now much about the kalevala ?
05:06:42 <mur> probably too few :)
05:06:44 <mur> how come?
05:07:06 <Speuler> friend starts to read about
05:07:45 <mur> hmm ok
05:07:53 <Speuler> thought as finman you're an authority on that subject
05:10:52 <mur> heh
05:15:52 <Speuler> i'm just told about it
05:16:11 <Speuler> a virgin receives 7 duck eggs from which she creates the universe ???
05:16:57 <Speuler> could be flaky translation ...
05:21:20 <Speuler> thus, a chicken-and-egg problems translates to duck-and-universum problem in finnish ?
05:33:33 <mur> hmm
05:33:42 <mur> not duck at all :)
05:33:54 <mur> perhaps translator thought that duck woudl be easier to comprehend
05:34:52 <Speuler> another bird, then ? something more specific to finland ?
05:35:14 <mur> yah
05:35:23 <mur> but a bit larger than duck :)
05:36:58 <Speuler> her english writing is very bad, she doesn't dare to talk to you
05:39:35 <Robert> mur: What bird?
05:39:45 <Robert> And?
05:39:46 <mur> can't remember to be exact
05:39:56 <mur> metso maybe
05:40:02 <Robert> Bah, finnish.
05:42:49 <warpzero> sup guys
05:43:05 * Robert is eating a banana
05:43:24 <warpzero> a banana?
05:44:28 <Robert> Yes
05:45:27 <mur> is it fair trade banana?
05:45:39 <Robert> It's a yellow one.
05:47:19 <mur> my kalevala knowledge is not very good but i can try helping
05:47:23 <Speuler> that's a metso :  http://212.187.155.84/pass_06june/Subdirectories_for_Search/SpeciesKingdoms/0Families_ACrAv_Galliformes/Phasianidae/Tetrao/Tetrao_urogallus/Tetrao_urogallus_CF.jpg  ?
05:59:27 <mur> looks very much like it
06:00:23 * warpzero raises his eyes
06:02:10 <warpzero> er eyebrows
06:04:08 <Robert> :)
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06:05:49 <Robert> Hi Herkamire 
06:05:57 <Herkamire> hi Robert :)
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08:26:32 <ASau> Dobbryjj vecher!
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09:28:56 <mur> privet
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13:18:16 <madgarden> ribbit
13:52:29 <Herkamire> rabbit
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14:05:10 <madgarden> Herkamire?
14:05:26 <madgarden> Hey, do you have a link to a screenshot of your cool editor project? I want to show someone...
14:09:24 <Herkamire> I have a mockup.
14:09:25 <Herkamire> http://herkamire.com/jason/downloads/src-zoom.png
14:09:43 <Herkamire> my screen didn't look nearly than nice when I was playing with opengl
14:10:03 <Herkamire> btw I've postponed that project until after I get my forth to boot
14:10:11 <madgarden> Thanks. 
14:10:20 <madgarden> It's the concept I'm mostly interested in, anyway.
14:10:33 <madgarden> Just discussing with a comrade how cool a Forth editor could be.
14:10:51 <madgarden> Especially using some sort of hyperlinked word lookup.
14:11:12 <madgarden> Click a word in the editor, it shows the word's definition in a view. Click click click..
14:11:20 <madgarden> Super fast source navigation.
14:12:17 <Herkamire> I hope the zooming thing would be faster than clicking
14:12:35 <Herkamire> my current editor shows the definition for the word under the cursor
14:12:44 <Herkamire> and has a key to jump to it's definition
14:13:10 <madgarden> Ahh, OK.
14:13:16 <madgarden> I thought it was the word being edited...
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14:13:59 <madgarden> Heh, speak of the devil.
14:14:05 <Herkamire> "my current editor" being what's in the herkforth project now. it runs in a tty. and is not zooming in any sense.
14:14:22 <networm> hello :)
14:14:44 <Herkamire> that zooming editor mockup was intended to be fullscreen, for the word[s] you're editing
14:14:58 <madgarden> Herkamire: networm and I were discussing Forth editing.
14:15:00 <madgarden> Ahh, OK...
14:15:47 <Herkamire> I store my source as indexes into the dictionary
14:15:52 <Herkamire> not as text
14:16:05 <madgarden> You could do something similar with a limited tree view I imagine.
14:16:12 <madgarden> Hmm...
14:16:41 <madgarden> How do you handle immediate source words then?
14:17:27 <madgarden> Or something like... : test 5 [ random ] literal * ;
14:17:29 <Herkamire> sorry, I only gave you part of the story. my source is in 16 bit "source tokens" each of which is a dictionary pointer, and a "color". the color determines what the compiler does with it
14:17:52 <Herkamire> (execute, compile, lit, number, start definition, set constant)
14:18:01 <madgarden> Ahh, Colorforthish.
14:18:18 <Herkamire> the colors are like colorforth mostly
14:18:30 <Herkamire> except colorforth does not store dictionary indexes in the source
14:18:44 <Herkamire> and I handle immediates differently
14:19:51 <madgarden> So your source code is not plain text at any point... its stored on disk as indexes?
14:20:40 <madgarden> Or, is it saved as source decompiled from "source" in memory consisting of indexes?
14:37:11 <Herkamire> for the purposes of bootstraping from linux, I have the source in an ascii format
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14:38:29 <Robert> Hi
14:38:31 <Herkamire> and I have a C program which encodes the source.
14:39:03 <kc5tja> re Robert
14:39:14 * kc5tja just got back from school, and will have to go to work in a few hours.
14:39:28 <Herkamire> once the system is put together, the source tokens are stored in blocks in memory, and are written to disk in those blocks as part of the ELF files
14:42:29 <Herkamire> the C program appends the source blocks to the kernel compiled by gas
14:42:41 <Herkamire> so the forth system never sees ascii source
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15:00:13 <madgarden> that's pretty groovy
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15:23:00 <warpzero> sup guys
15:23:16 <madgarden> Hello
15:24:37 <warpzero> i am stuck again
15:24:38 <warpzero> :(
15:25:17 <madgarden> functions I say! ;)
15:25:52 <warpzero> no functions
15:26:31 <warpzero> functions are vey contrary to what i am trying to do here
15:28:35 <madgarden> well, could you create some sort of aggregating function-like "thing"? 
15:28:49 <warpzero> yeah thats done
15:28:54 <warpzero> but im not sure if i like how its done
15:29:05 <warpzero> thats one of the main things im thinking about right now
15:29:22 <madgarden> so then, you can create a collection or sequence of things as another thing...
15:29:34 <warpzero> yeah in several ways
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15:31:06 <warpzero> My problem is all of my structures are basically lists.
15:31:24 <warpzero> But some have a more hash/tuple like pattern than others.
15:32:14 <ASau> Dobbryjj nochi!
15:32:24 <warpzero> ?
15:32:49 <ASau> kc5tja, I still have not undestood why "dup" in "*+".
15:33:16 <madgarden> warpzero: structures as in data collections, or control-flow structures?
15:33:41 <ASau> kc5tja, I have some multiplication words, but there is no "dup 1 and if..." pattern.
15:34:02 <ASau> kc5tja, there is "1 and if..." instead.
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15:34:23 <warpzero> madgarden: more like data collections
15:34:41 <kc5tja> ASau: Watch what happens if you leave it out.
15:34:56 <kc5tja> 100 3 *+ ==>
15:35:07 <kc5tja> (100 3 )
15:35:07 <warpzero> kc5tja: How do I improve orthagonality in my programming language?
15:35:12 <kc5tja> 1 (100 3 1)
15:35:15 <kc5tja> AND (100 1)
15:35:18 <kc5tja> IF (100)
15:35:25 <kc5tja> SWAP ( oops! Stack underflow! )
15:35:48 <kc5tja> warpzero: I have no idea.  What do you mean by orthogonality?
15:36:21 <warpzero> kc5tja: Ortagonality is the ability to use different parts of a language anywhere it makes sense to. Forth is VERY orthagonal.
15:36:28 <warpzero> C is not very orthagonal.
15:37:03 <madgarden> Othogonal = Modular
15:37:09 <madgarden> Orth
15:37:12 <kc5tja> Treat literally everything as an expression that evaluates to some value.
15:37:30 <warpzero> kc5tja: My language has no expressions, thats kinda hard.
15:37:30 <kc5tja> Then you can use if and while constructs inside mathematical expressions.
15:37:52 <kc5tja> warpzero: I don't know your language, so then I would say, "No idea."
15:38:00 <warpzero> I know.
15:38:03 <kc5tja> :)
15:38:05 <warpzero> Sigh.
15:38:31 <kc5tja> Anyway, I have to go to the store, pick up some more T-shirts (since the ones I have now are falling apart), and then I'm off to work.
15:38:41 <warpzero> Chowder dude.
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15:41:04 <warpzero> Okay a thing needs to contain information about what is inside of it, how those things are inside of it and how those things relate.
15:45:29 <warpzero> To do this without naming them is not something I think is possible... maybe.
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15:48:16 <warpzero> gah
15:54:25 <madgarden> Well, couldn't you just maintain pointers or indexes to "them"?
15:55:00 <warpzero> ?
15:55:09 <warpzero> The way forth handles this problem is with DUP
16:22:08 <warpzero> Hmm... infix or postfix...
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16:32:28 <warpzero> Hey Nutssh!
16:32:29 <ASau> Dobrojj nochi!
16:36:58 <Robert> Hi :)
16:40:52 <warpzero> Sup Robert?
16:42:09 <warpzero> Gosh I can do everthing very orthagonally, but not naming/scopes.
16:42:51 * Robert will go to bed soon
16:42:55 <Robert> School tomorrow.. :(
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16:51:47 <Nutssh> Hi.
16:52:29 <warpzero> Sup Nutssh?
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17:28:12 <Nutssh> Avoiding things I should be doing. :)  You?
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17:32:15 <warpzero> Just working on my language.
17:32:27 <warpzero> Its turning out to be kindof lisp like and kindof forth like.
17:32:37 <Robert> Sounds like joy.
17:32:44 <Robert> As in the language Joy.
17:32:51 <warpzero> Links please.
17:33:09 <Nutssh> Is that like RPL?
17:33:31 <warpzero> Nutssh: Its not a *fix language.
17:33:32 <Robert> Don't remember, google.
17:33:44 <Nutssh> ?
17:34:20 <warpzero> It looks pretty postfix. But its not actually postfix.
17:36:05 <Nutssh> *nods*
17:36:15 <warpzero> like 
17:36:29 <warpzero> [ ( 2 3 ) *add ] will add two numbers
17:36:55 <warpzero> but [ 2 3 *add ] wont
17:39:17 <Nutssh> Ok.
17:39:35 <Nutssh> I'd not focus overly much on syntax though. What is the type system and BNF look like?
17:40:54 <warpzero> There's no BNF yet.
17:41:03 <cleverdra> "I'd not focus overly much on syntax ... What is the BNF look like?"
17:41:09 <warpzero> And there's no type system ever.
17:41:19 <Nutssh> Ok, how about semantics?
17:41:34 <warpzero> Its a causal infinite machine language.
17:41:57 <Nutssh> Stack based? What are the types of objects? Tuples? Closures? integers? No closures? 
17:42:19 <warpzero> Not stack based.
17:42:39 <warpzero> Objects are just a scope.
17:42:58 <warpzero> And there are no types.
17:43:55 <Nutssh> Skip that for now? What do you mean by causal infinite machine language?
17:43:55 <ASau> RPL  --- Reverse Polish ... Give a context.
17:44:43 <ASau> www.acronymfinder.com ?
17:44:45 <warpzero> Nutssh: Its not excecutable on a finite machine, and uses "events" I suppose to deal with information.
17:45:11 <Nutssh> Sounds strange.
17:45:22 <warpzero> Its not.
17:45:27 <warpzero> Okay yeah it is.
17:45:27 <Nutssh> Oh. RPL == Reverse Polish Lisp.. The variant of forth used by HP calculators.
17:48:35 <I440r> just changed isforth.clss.net
17:50:35 <warpzero> make font normal sized for the love of god
17:50:51 <warpzero> don't use static sizing and positioning
17:53:34 <Nutssh> I like to know the semantics of a language first. 
17:53:52 <Nutssh> What are the types of values. Is it lazy, parallel, functional, etc.
17:54:40 <warpzero> The types of values must be defined in the language. There are no primitive types.
17:54:54 <warpzero> There also are no primitive operators.
17:55:31 <warpzero> I don't know what you mean by "parallel" but you're probably close.
17:57:59 <I440r> heh
17:58:01 <I440r> lol
17:58:27 <I440r> normal size is like way too big
18:04:53 <Nutssh> Parallel meaning that that you have an operator 'do in parallel' or the equivalent.
18:07:38 <warpzero> Well there is the "expansive list" which does that.
18:07:59 <imaginator> I440r the history of your IsForth I found interesting.
18:08:06 <I440r> :)
18:08:19 <I440r> u mean about IS ?
18:08:57 <imaginator> yes
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18:10:10 <slava> hi
18:10:53 <imaginator> hi slava
18:11:00 <warpzero> sup slava
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18:15:09 <ASau> Dobroe utro!
18:16:57 <I440r> how do you indent a paragraph in html ?
18:17:56 <imaginator> &nbsp ?
18:18:46 <I440r> does that indent every line or just the first
18:18:53 <I440r> i want ALL lines indented
18:18:59 <I440r> no bullets
18:20:20 <warpzero> with <p> and css
18:21:21 <I440r> but how do i have JUST THIS paragraph indented, not ALL paragraphs in that page ?
18:21:32 <I440r> im using style sheets
18:21:40 <I440r> badly
18:21:42 <I440r> hehy
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18:36:12 <slava> I440r, you can use CSS
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18:48:40 <Herkamire> I440r: <p style="padding-left: 30px">
18:49:32 <Herkamire> I'm getting a crash corse in html/css as we speak too
18:50:07 <Herkamire> I got pretty freaking frustrated trying to get rid of a few empty spaces that only showed on some browsers
18:52:07 <Herkamire> I had a weird kind of day today
18:52:30 <Herkamire> got up real early and worked on a hobby programming project, then worked afternoon->evening
18:52:59 <Herkamire> usually I get up later, work, then program on hobby project(s)
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18:53:19 <slava> i need to spend less time on my hobby projects, in particular my game :)
18:53:22 <Herkamire> (or go out and do something
18:54:19 <cleverdra> slava - what else would you spend your time on?
18:54:45 <slava> cleverdra, programming that pays :)
18:54:54 <Herkamire> ehh, screw work, I'm going to program on my wiki for an hour
18:55:31 <slava> :)
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18:56:13 <cleverdra> slava - what would you spend your money on?
18:56:40 <slava> cleverdra, a cpu that doesn't seg11 when compiling stuff ;)
18:59:37 <slava> i'm slowly realizing that the namespaces feature in factor is incredibly braindead.
19:00:54 <I440r> herk hey thanx heh i did it different, i used margin-left and margin-right ehh
19:01:01 <I440r> had to hunt for that one :/
19:01:50 <Herkamire> I440r: yeah, that would work just as well
19:04:15 <I440r> can xml include files ?
19:04:58 <I440r> i mkean. have a different links that load specific files INTO the page being displayed now 
19:05:12 <I440r> and i mean without using evilscript
19:05:19 <I440r> cant use php
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19:10:03 <warpzero> sup Herkamire
19:18:39 <Herkamire> warpzero: making a wiki :)
19:20:40 <madgarden> Herkamire Wiki... Hiki? :)
19:23:02 * Herkamire was quite suprised that his girlfriend already know what a wiki was
19:27:13 <Nutssh> Hi warpzero
19:36:22 <warpzero> sup
19:44:37 <slava> i can't wait until my stack effect checker is complete
19:44:58 <warpzero> your what
19:45:15 <slava> i also plan on making the parser handle ( ... ) specially, instead of just ignoring it, so a warning will be raised if you have an incorrect stack comment
19:46:35 <warpzero> what
19:47:56 <warpzero> slava: sense please
19:51:23 <slava> warpzero, : sq ( x -- x ) dup * ;
19:51:37 <slava> warpzero, : mag ( x y -- x ) sq swap sq + ;
19:52:07 <warpzero> you will have the parser check your stack pictures?
19:52:11 <slava> yes
19:52:21 <slava> although for some if/else and loops, its not possible.
19:53:53 <warpzero> thats a pretty odd idea
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20:39:27 <slava> warpzero, why is it odd?
20:40:15 <warpzero> It lets users write code that checks their code its just different and cool and stuff.
20:55:22 <I440r> <@Dolphin> A toilet is a stateful device, therefore capable of running netbsd.
20:57:00 <warpzero> what.
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21:06:31 <Herkamire> yay :) I got my wiki working :)
21:06:42 <Herkamire> and I'm already absorbed in writing content :)
21:06:46 <warpzero> link please
21:07:05 <Herkamire> warpzero: it's hardcoded to localhost still
21:07:20 <Herkamire> I should really finish it instead of entering text :)
21:07:32 <warpzero> You have issues, Herkamire.
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21:10:28 <warpzero> I want a wiki.
21:10:31 <warpzero> A clicky wiki.
21:10:34 <warpzero> Named micky.
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21:14:44 <Herkamire> http://jason.herkamire.com:8888/ht/
21:15:12 <Herkamire> that address will change
21:17:42 <warpzero> I edited it.
21:18:38 <Herkamire> nice :)
21:19:17 <Herkamire> hehe
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21:21:03 <warpzero> Hello arke.
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22:09:05 <Herkamire> OK, I give up
22:09:44 <Herkamire> inside a <td> I have a table. I would like the table to have a certain height and width which I have specified in css
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22:10:23 <Herkamire> and I would like the table to be on the right side of the available space in the td
22:10:43 <Herkamire> my code works in mozilla-firebird, but not in mac IE 5
22:12:10 <kc5tja> Such is the life of a web coder.  :)
22:13:11 <Herkamire> does IE5 not to align="left" ???
22:13:24 <Herkamire> style="text-align: left"
22:13:32 <Herkamire> <td align="left">
22:13:34 <Serg> Herkamire: try giving sizes to <TD> and 100% to table inside it
22:13:38 <kc5tja> I don't know, but there are always browser differences.
22:13:49 <warpzero> kc5tja: hello
22:13:57 <Serg> kc5tja: academic style rulez ;))
22:14:16 <kc5tja> Serg: ??
22:14:18 <kc5tja> warpzero: Howdy
22:14:46 <warpzero> kc5tja: my language now looks somewhat like lisp and forth
22:15:16 <Herkamire> aaaarg
22:15:42 <slava> warpzero, it has expressions now? :)
22:16:02 <Herkamire> I'm using this as a template for 18 different pages (where the size of the table inside the td is different on the different pages)
22:16:05 <warpzero> slava: Well kindof, but not really.
22:16:15 <Herkamire> I would really like to be able to center or align: left
22:18:26 * warpzero is away: Sunny day, sweeping the clouds away, on my way to where the air is sweet!  Can you tell me how to get, how to get to Sesame Street?
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22:19:10 <slava> hi arke
22:19:47 <slava> we should make a web page listing all the forth and forth-like langauges being worked on by people from #forth
22:20:09 <slava> there's herkforth, fts/forth, i think arke has a forth, ASau's forth, warpzero's language, my language factor, and others
22:20:25 <warpzero> slava: mines not very forthy
22:21:30 <warpzero> its more frothy
22:22:37 <Herkamire> I would welcome a page on my wiki once I get it live on my server
22:22:58 <kc5tja> I guess people just don't like Speuler's wiki... :/
22:23:04 <warpzero> your clicky wiki?
22:23:07 <kc5tja> Pity.  It really is a good Wiki, I think.
22:23:08 <warpzero> named micky?
22:23:20 <warpzero> I dont really like wikis in general.
22:23:26 <Herkamire> asside from dns issues, it's nice
22:23:28 <warpzero> slava: http://wza.us/af/
22:24:26 <warpzero> slava: If its not hurting your eyes, turn up your monitor brightness.
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22:36:57 <imaginator> http://www.forthfreak.net/wiki/ interesting
22:38:11 <imaginator> I'm active on the Tcl'ers Wiki.
22:39:01 <imaginator> I'd like to see more information about Forth GUIs, and perhaps fun projects that people have made over a weekend.
22:40:48 <imaginator> I found a page on UltraTechnology the other day about IIRC Jeff Fox's graphical display that runs on a Forth CPU.
22:41:24 <slava> imaginator, something like squeak's morphic, but with forth would be very cool :)
22:43:22 <imaginator> http://www.ultratechnology.com/scope.htm
22:43:47 <imaginator> Squeak is awesome, but it seems to be too slow.
22:44:15 <imaginator> I have played around with making some apps, but I wasn't able to make them fast enough.
22:44:36 <imaginator> mostly graphics for a Myst-like game with alpha blending and things like that.
22:45:44 <imaginator> The interesting thing about that scope to me is that it apparently is 600 words.
22:45:49 <imaginator> ~
22:46:13 <slava> my game has around 600 words so far; plus a shitload written in java :)
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22:47:45 <imaginator> He also fits the entire system into less memory than my little Forth written in C.
22:48:35 <imaginator> slava: I'm trying to remember ... You wrote the Forth that compiles to JVM bytecodes?
22:48:42 <ASau> Slava, there's no need to list my Forth. It's very close to FIG dialect.
22:49:16 <slava> imaginator, its not a forth. but its postfix.
22:49:18 <ASau> Slava, I think there's no need to make such a list of systems too.
22:49:36 <ASau> Slava, too many of them.
22:50:49 <ASau> kc5tja, you've made a mistake, there's no stack underflow.
22:51:17 <ASau> kc5tja, do not forget that stack is not only 2 cells deep.
22:51:31 <kc5tja> ASau: I can assure you I've made no mistake.
22:51:39 <kc5tja> If you feel otherwise, I invite you to explain your reasoning.
22:52:15 <kc5tja> DUP 1 AND leaves a flag for the IF statement
22:52:29 <kc5tja> The IF statement consumes that flag, leaving only A and B on the stack.
22:52:34 <ASau> kc5tja, if you speak on "Russian Peasant" multiplication, you see two cells for multiplicands and one cell for result accumulator.
22:53:06 <kc5tja> You can re-use one of the cells to hold the result.
22:53:42 <ASau> I haven't succeed in writing actual multiplication routine.
22:54:02 <kc5tja> I really, really, really, really don't see what is so hard about this.
22:54:33 <kc5tja> As the multiplicand bits of B are shifted out to the right, the other multiplicand's value is conditionally added into the higher bits of B.
22:54:37 <ASau> Just write the whole code.
22:54:41 <kc5tja> I DID.
22:54:44 <ASau> : u*  ... ;
22:54:51 <slava> what's wrong with the x86 multiplication instruction?
22:55:11 <kc5tja> : *+ ( a b -- a b | a (a+b) ) DUP 1 AND IF OVER + THEN ;
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22:55:31 <ASau> It's a theoretical issue that might have practical applications.
22:55:57 <ASau> kc5tja, and more?
22:56:03 <ASau> : * ( ??? ) ;
22:56:04 <kc5tja> : n-bit*4-bit swap 2* 2* 2* 2* swap *+ 2/ *+ 2/ *+ 2/ *+ 2/ nip ;
22:56:37 <kc5tja> : n-bit*8-bit swap 2* 2* 2* 2* 2* 2* 2* 2* swap *+ 2/ *+ 2/ *+ 2/ *+ 2/ *+ 2/ *+ 2/ *+ 2/ *+ 2/ nip ;
22:56:42 <ASau> Aha.
22:56:52 <ASau> Let me think.
22:57:48 <kc5tja> There is also a similar way to do division like this, but I've forgotten it, and I'd have to rederive it.
23:00:50 <Herkamire> victory!
23:01:00 <Herkamire> I got the website to look right on mac IE too
23:01:23 <Herkamire> now on to debugging someone elses over-complex php site
23:01:24 <Herkamire> oh boy
23:01:34 <kc5tja> Good luck.  :)
23:05:38 <Herkamire> well, I actually know php quite well, so it might not be so bad
23:08:17 <imaginator> It just occured to me that worrying about kilobytes for me may not be a good idea.  If an image this size:1280 1024 3 * *
23:08:45 <kc5tja> Once again, I have school in the morning.
23:08:48 <kc5tja> I'm off to bed.
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23:09:00 <imaginator> pow(2,20) is a megabyte, so that's already quite a bit.
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23:52:57 <Teratogen> hallo!~
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