00:00:00 --- log: started forth/04.01.24 00:36:00 --- join: ferringb (~ferringb@ras-c5800-2-54-214.dialup.wisc.edu) joined #forth 00:37:12 --- part: ferringb left #forth 00:47:57 --- join: schihei (~schihei@pD9E5C858.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 01:05:25 --- join: Nutssh (~Foo@gh-1029.gh.rice.edu) joined #forth 01:58:43 --- join: qFox (C00K13S@cp12172-a.roose1.nb.home.nl) joined #forth 03:10:29 --- quit: Teratogen (Remote closed the connection) 03:29:05 --- join: ree (~jwm@ns.fasthost.net) joined #forth 03:33:13 --- quit: Nutssh ("Client exiting") 03:34:40 --- join: Nutssh (~Foo@gh-1177.gh.rice.edu) joined #forth 04:18:11 --- join: svara (~svara@pD90103D5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #forth 04:25:19 Hey. 04:25:31 Nice to see you in here :) 04:43:51 --- quit: svara (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04:49:51 svara? 04:49:54 or ree? 04:49:57 :) 05:00:06 Nah, not you. 05:00:58 Dobryjj vecher! 05:01:36 Privet, ASau 05:32:57 hi 05:32:59 ree 05:33:04 i've been looking for you longer time 05:34:09 --- join: svara (~svara@pD90103BF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #forth 05:35:40 Hallo 05:35:59 You left me earlier. :) 05:36:41 connection died with no appearant reason ... :( 05:39:48 Aww. 06:31:23 --- quit: qFox ("if at first you dont succeed, quit again") 06:36:03 --- join: qFox (C00K13S@cp12172-a.roose1.nb.home.nl) joined #forth 07:11:43 --- quit: qFox (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07:11:56 --- join: qFox (C00K13S@cp12172-a.roose1.nb.home.nl) joined #forth 07:37:43 hey mur? 07:59:18 --- quit: Nutssh ("Client exiting") 08:01:04 hey 08:01:46 ree you know semiotics 08:01:57 gtg 08:02:00 cya a bit later 08:23:03 --- join: Herkamire (~jason@h000094d30ba2.ne.client2.attbi.com) joined #forth 08:50:02 --- quit: qFox (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08:50:17 --- join: qFox (C00K13S@cp12172-a.roose1.nb.home.nl) joined #forth 09:01:24 heh, sorry 09:01:29 semiotics.. no 09:03:42 well 09:03:52 are you familiar of the problemacy of dictionary? 09:14:43 sup forthers 09:16:46 --- join: proteusguy (~proteusgu@216.27.161.121) joined #forth 09:17:06 ree= 09:17:24 kc5tja here today? 09:17:49 proteusguy: uh... 09:18:00 guess not... 09:38:24 mur 09:38:33 I'm so sleepy :( 09:38:44 are you coming back tomrorow? 09:39:11 later today probably 09:39:17 ree i am too 09:39:19 just need a little rest 09:39:29 isn't it quite late there? 09:39:42 worked on computers all night 09:39:46 12:39pm 09:40:02 12:39 pm? 09:40:39 where the fuck are you 09:41:06 oh you say 12:39 pm for 00.39 am? 09:41:16 or just you? 09:41:27 it's 12:41pm right now here in EST 09:41:31 I am in the USA, Indiana 09:41:32 but that's just after noon 09:41:34 it is noon here 09:41:43 ree: where in Indiana? 09:41:50 +polis 09:41:54 oh 09:41:57 * chandler is in Bloomington 09:42:09 hmmm 09:42:25 oh 09:42:30 i thot u ment am 09:42:31 * mur can't figure out am/pm stuff now 09:42:35 and i wuz like wtf 09:42:55 hehe 09:43:06 after noon all time is PM 09:43:12 before noon it is AM 09:43:13 with 24h clock, 00-12 = am, where 00.01 am to 11.29 am 09:43:17 real simple 09:43:18 --- join: Nutssh (~Foo@gh-1177.gh.rice.edu) joined #forth 09:43:36 and 13-24 = 12 pm .. errgh to 11 pm? 09:43:38 huh 09:43:55 after 12 night it is am 09:44:10 12.39 am? or 00.39 am? 09:44:15 well, roughly speaking (actually 11:59 for both) 09:44:47 well, bloody good i'm using 24 h clock ;) 09:45:03 * mur can't even assign month names to number of month 09:45:18 i have tried that for years but it just does not work in any of 4 languages i know 09:45:30 hehe 09:45:36 i remember 3 first and 2 last 09:45:39 24 hour clock is just as simple 09:45:49 though it forces you to do more math 09:46:26 but pm / am problem is logical, while 24 h is mathenmatical problem 09:46:28 that's the differnece 09:49:36 when I think of 24h past noon, I just think of 12pm + X hours 09:49:42 bbiab 09:50:13 it'd be easier to have 20 hours clock. or 100% clock 10:06:10 --- join: dubious (~marc@209.71.234.197) joined #forth 10:09:26 --- join: Speuler (~User@node-d-9180.a2000.nl) joined #forth 10:09:34 --- quit: schihei (Client Quit) 10:09:36 'morning 10:10:19 afternoon. 10:11:48 moi 10:14:22 Hi Speuler. 10:14:43 In the Netherlands now? 10:14:51 hi rob_ert 10:14:54 yep 10:15:01 'll be leaving tomorrow 10:15:03 probably 10:15:05 But there's nothing wrong with your memory. ;) 10:15:07 To Bavaria+ 10:15:18 yep. new office in munich 10:15:36 will move to during the next week 10:15:43 :) 10:15:58 same people as last year, different place 10:16:05 much bigger now 10:16:14 The cafe? 10:16:31 room for about 1000 people :) 10:16:55 second floor about 20 room, suited to be used as offices 10:16:58 rooms 10:17:12 munich central 10:18:11 i intend to use one office for selling linux advice 10:18:27 and the other to brew apple wine (cider in some countries) 10:19:26 Heh. 10:19:51 "Computer consultant and cider producer", that's a neat title. 10:22:52 the ground floor room is going to be party zone 10:23:19 i like short distances between work and recreation 10:23:24 --- quit: Nutssh ("Client exiting") 10:24:02 and as cider is a drink more common 400 km further north, we'll have to implement there 10:24:32 t'is said to be healthy too 10:25:07 --- join: Nutssh (~Foo@gh-1029.gh.rice.edu) joined #forth 10:25:36 munich people came up to the netherlands, to drag me back to munich 10:25:38 At least it has a nice taste. 10:25:44 Hehe :) 10:25:48 Good to be wanted 10:25:49 like they did last year :) 10:26:03 took them two weeks last year to manage 10:26:30 you know, there are coffeeshops in NL 10:26:39 those sell more than jsut coffee 10:26:59 actually, in some coffeeshop you can get everything but coffee 10:27:03 And they got stuck there? 10:27:11 looks like it 10:27:19 Hehe. 10:28:21 guess my "job" there will be to keep the wireless lan running 10:28:33 which i'll do out of self-interest anyway 10:28:50 Back in Munich you mean? 10:28:59 saves me the cable going to the bus 10:29:12 yes, "there"="munich" 10:29:29 Haven't used any wireless LAN here. 10:29:50 But maybe I'll try some sort of radio link, since I got my license yesterday ;) 10:29:59 A ? C ? 10:30:18 What..? 10:30:30 C = 2m and higher freq 10:30:36 A=shortwave too 10:30:53 They're introducing only one license class over here. 10:30:54 B is A, but allowing more power 10:31:05 did you learn CW ? 10:31:08 But I know enough morse code to take the class one test. 10:31:29 you'd need about 60 chars/sec 10:31:32 However, I only took the class two test (2m and higher) 10:31:33 No. 10:31:51 Er..what? 10:31:56 The limit is/was 25 chars per minute. 10:32:04 /minute :) 10:32:12 Is it 60 in .de? 10:32:16 yep 10:32:37 recommended to understand 80 or better, to compensate for some nervousness 10:32:39 * Robert feels lucky he's in Sweden 10:32:50 not required for 2m 10:33:01 But shortwave is more fun. 10:33:09 Do you have any license? 10:33:20 nope 10:33:28 but i know enough morse :) 10:33:40 not up to speed anymore 10:33:44 Neat. When did you learn that? 10:33:58 when i was going for A licence 10:34:11 Did you ever take one? 10:34:18 nope. lost interest 10:34:25 Oh. 10:34:33 --- part: Nutssh left #forth 10:35:13 I hope I get those components I ordered soon, so that I can start building a radio. 10:42:44 --- quit: I440r (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 10:48:13 --- quit: proteusguy ("Leaving") 11:03:06 --- join: I440r (~mark4@12-160.lctv-a5.cablelynx.com) joined #forth 11:03:54 Hye 11:03:55 er 11:03:56 Hey 11:05:28 :) 11:18:17 --- join: arke (~arke@wbar8.lax1-4-11-099-104.dsl-verizon.net) joined #forth 11:18:28 YAY!! 11:21:04 Oh no, it's back. 11:21:13 Hello :) 11:21:41 Hi :) 11:21:51 For some reason, DHCP doesn't work. 11:21:59 So I have to manually enter IP and DNS 11:22:11 Hah. 11:22:17 but at least it works ^_^ 11:22:24 What's new? 11:24:15 I got my radio amateur license. :) 11:24:21 Yay! :) 11:28:03 --- join: arke_ (~arke@wbar8.lax1-4-11-099-104.dsl-verizon.net) joined #forth 11:28:03 --- quit: arke (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11:30:24 --- nick: arke_ -> arke 11:45:59 --- quit: arke ("Leaving") 11:48:12 hehe 11:48:34 somebody placed a link to forthfreak on forth.org 11:48:49 actually two links 11:49:04 ? 11:49:08 wow lol 11:49:17 one in sites, one in communities 11:49:46 Nice 11:50:05 'n there's a link to bashforth on www.worldhistory.com , right after baseball 11:50:11 *grin* 12:05:22 erm robert did you upgrade to 1.14b ? 12:05:31 did that include my 8051 assembler ? 12:05:54 it wasnt meant to do so yet but its no biggie if it did heh 12:06:06 Yes it's there 12:06:09 i wanted to test it first and ive been too lazy 12:06:11 the assembler? 12:06:14 asm51.f ? 12:06:23 Ah, no 12:06:25 Just 8051.f 12:06:26 ok 12:06:33 thats part of the disassembler 12:06:43 the disassembler is released, the assembler will be 12:06:45 eventuallty 12:06:50 if i get up off my lazy ass 12:06:53 Heh 12:07:01 But the x86 assembler seems to be there :P 12:07:02 .( loading asm.f ) cr 12:07:02 \s work in progress - will be ready in a year or two maybe :/ 12:07:12 thats the x86 assembler 12:08:20 So I said ;) 12:08:41 oh yea 12:09:05 btw there's a partly implementation of a 386 assembler, postfix though, in the compiler i've been working on 12:09:54 ill have to write my own assembler, its a bitch tho cuz ive no idea how to start it 12:10:14 but the ONLY acceptable modification to the existing asm sources would be the injection of a space or two here and there 12:10:27 im not butchering the existing sources for a forth assembler 12:10:45 you still could rewrite the asm part 12:11:08 forgot to turn irony-tag on 12:11:49 :) 12:12:20 but now that it is on, i express my unbelief that you're actually trying to reuse code :) 12:12:45 err its ok to reuse my OWN code lol 12:14:05 --- join: wossname (wossname@HSE-QuebecCity-ppp81484.qc.sympatico.ca) joined #forth 13:29:02 --- join: blockhead (grunlat@dialin-821-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net) joined #forth 14:02:22 --- quit: blockhead ("Client Exiting") 14:07:43 --- part: Speuler left #forth 14:08:38 Dobryjj vecher! 14:16:27 * I440r is trying to write some documentation for isforth 14:16:33 starting with kernel.com :/ 14:17:46 --- join: TheBlueWizard (TheBlueWiz@pc97dn1d.ppp.FCC.NET) joined #forth 14:17:46 --- mode: ChanServ set +o TheBlueWizard 14:17:52 hiya all 14:18:47 btw its TBW!!!!! :) 14:20:08 hiya I440r!!!!! :) 14:20:26 * TheBlueWizard chuckles re: the near palindrome 14:20:42 lol 14:22:26 so what's new? 14:22:41 almost nothing :P 14:22:43 fixed that division/remainder bug in your isforth? 14:22:50 no 14:22:57 heh 14:22:59 :P 14:23:09 that's ok 14:23:12 lol 14:23:25 * TheBlueWizard is waiting for a buddy to come online 14:23:44 moimoim 14:24:53 tervetervet mur ;) 14:39:39 anbyone wanna proof read my crappy kernel.txt doc ? 14:39:53 its not complete yet, it just goes over what kernel.asm has in it 14:40:16 i doodnt spell chekk it yet 14:40:51 --- join: XeF4 (~xef4@guanine200.gprs.suomen2g.fi) joined #forth 14:40:56 * TheBlueWizard is good at spelling, and doesn't need no steenking spellchecker :) 14:40:59 hiya XeF4 14:40:59 xef4 ! 14:41:05 oi 14:41:22 ftp://24.024.12.160/pub/kernel.txt 14:41:27 thats a start - sort of 14:43:58 no response from server 14:44:06 none ? 14:44:07 erm 14:44:11 24.204.12.160 14:44:12 sorry 14:44:17 grr i cant type lol 14:45:14 hehe 14:45:59 no such file kernel.txt 14:46:13 err its in there 14:46:46 nope...got a 404 14:47:02 aha, no read permissions 14:47:07 aha lolk 14:47:09 yea 14:47:12 -rw------- 1 mark4 users 5809 Jan 24 21:40 kernel.txt 14:47:13 i just figured that out 14:47:16 let me go fix 14:47:22 stupid ftp 14:47:48 hehe 14:47:55 try now 14:48:14 got it now 14:48:33 hrm why isnt there a wput like thers a wget ? 14:48:34 lol 14:50:29 or why doesn't wget have a POST method hm.. 14:50:56 :) 14:52:11 * TheBlueWizard chuckles 14:52:42 any comments on the crappy .txt ? 14:52:57 it is a bit like why there isn't a command for creating many directories, to parallel rm multiple directories :) 14:53:07 * TheBlueWizard is reading it 14:54:23 * I440r is no ascii coder 14:56:09 you wrote: "...an mprotect..." but "...a mmap"...also, I think a comma should be inserted after "...kernel is run" 14:56:49 a mmap is incorrect - corrected 14:56:57 wheres that "kernel is run" bit ? 14:57:28 no, i think a comma isnt correct 14:57:31 not 100% sure 14:58:59 actually,m i think all of those should be "executes a" not AN 14:59:10 an is used if the following word starts with a vowel 14:59:12 a hoten 14:59:15 an elephant 14:59:19 erm hotel even 14:59:43 alot of people try to make us believe that "an hotel" is correct 14:59:45 its not 14:59:49 h is NOT a fucking vowel 15:00:00 yeah...one has to "hear" it out...damn tricky...especially for me :( 15:00:11 lol true 15:00:14 consider: an hour 15:00:23 but you can still mentally HEAR it 15:00:33 now - they say that the H is silent in hotel 15:00:38 so its an o'tel 15:00:46 they say the same thing about A herl 15:00:49 sometimes I can't tell whether "an" is required 15:00:49 its "an erb" 15:00:51 bullshit 15:01:05 its A "H-E-R-B" you pronounce the H 15:01:43 another thing that pisses me off heheh 15:01:53 999 <-- spell this number as you would pronounce it 15:02:07 i see alot of "nine hundred ninety nine" 15:02:11 which is blatantly wrong 15:02:21 its "nine hundred AND ninety nine" 15:02:34 the "and" IS required 15:02:36 hmm 15:03:09 also: "non zero" --> nonzero? 15:03:17 heh 15:03:29 how about color verses colour 15:03:31 the U is correct 15:03:34 ooooh 15:03:54 coupe <-- pronounced COOP ? 15:03:56 bullshit 15:04:09 toupe <-- (a wig for a guy) is that pronounced TOOP ? 15:04:26 its a TOOP-AY 15:04:31 so its a COOP-AY 15:04:45 not a fscking coop 15:04:47 lol 15:05:58 colour is British spelling...you're an American, so kill that u :) 15:06:11 the U is STILL correct 15:06:31 but i can live with color if you insist :/ 15:06:38 but i condiser it lazyness 15:07:10 lol....I once pronounced vague as VA-GOO...like value (VA-LOO)...oops...vague is a French derived word, so should be pronounced VAG 15:08:34 erm not quite 15:08:50 "vag" sounds like hit sould be pronocuned like "fag" hehe 15:09:11 vague should be pronounced similar to the way gague is pronounced 15:09:36 the g is almost like a j 15:10:07 vague like "vag-u-e" with a silent u 15:10:18 hmm...I now think it should be a ZH 15:11:03 lol i could really mess with you here heheh 15:11:19 totally screw your pronounciation up hehe 15:11:26 yup :) 15:11:32 make your speaking as bad as my spelling hehehe 15:11:38 but I can spell very well! 15:12:29 IsForths --> IsForth's 15:13:09 yup 15:13:14 belonging to isforth 15:14:49 i see a flaw in the way ive presented this document already 15:15:10 it contains specifics to kernel.asm but doesnt detail everything about that file 15:15:18 there are variables at the top of the file that it makes no mention of 15:15:21 I believe "built in" should be "builtin" 15:15:49 also it mentions nothing about any of the files that kernel.asm includes 15:15:56 and i need a way to introduce each of those 15:16:00 I believe it shouldn't since "built in" is a modifier and "builtin" is a noun 15:16:20 or perhaps "built-in" 15:16:41 i hyphonated it 15:16:44 "built-in widget" "shell builtin" 15:16:47 as a compromize heh 15:17:15 or inbuilt, but that sounds somehow quaint 15:17:29 lol 15:18:31 typo found: ammounts should be amounts 15:18:56 thanx :) 15:19:29 also: tewak --> tweak 15:19:57 erm that was definatly a typo lol 15:23:53 seperate --> separate (very common typo) 15:24:36 "definitoins" ... another typo :) 15:24:46 yea 15:24:52 definitions ? 15:26:56 definitons (elementary particles of unvagueness) 15:27:05 lol 15:27:21 also: dont --> don't 15:27:35 prt --> part 15:30:17 didnt --> didn't 15:30:36 turnkeyd --> turnkeyed 15:30:44 --- quit: svara (Remote closed the connection) 15:30:53 Forths --> Forth 15:31:45 doesnt --> doesn't 15:31:46 hi all 15:32:06 defered --> deferred 15:32:11 erm you meant Forths --> Forth's 15:32:36 no...Forth inner interpreter, not Forth's inner interpreter 15:33:04 "the forth inner interpreter" would be correct there 15:33:41 hrm "the IsForth inner interpreter" 15:34:39 --- join: semtex (~User@node-d-9180.a2000.nl) joined #forth 15:34:45 'morning again 15:34:46 wb bongo :) 15:35:06 --- join: Speuler (~User@node-d-9180.a2000.nl) joined #forth 15:35:11 --- quit: semtex (Client Quit) 15:35:25 * TheBlueWizard finishes reviewing the doc 15:35:28 heh 15:35:32 quite nice 15:35:39 anyone who had problems with forthfreak dns before ? 15:35:51 i.e.resolving forthfreak.net to its ip ? 15:35:53 im adding to it, a whole new section between "overview" and "init" 15:36:00 * TheBlueWizard has done a little duty :) 15:36:01 not me. not that i remember 15:36:23 cause i've added two more name servers 15:36:32 would like to know whether that helps 15:38:20 why two name servers? 15:38:31 was two, are four now 15:38:50 to be on the safe side 15:39:59 you don't need more than one name servers in your network, unless you are planning some unusual setup 15:40:21 i need two 15:40:36 otherwise denic refuses domain registration 15:40:47 two dns on different c nets 15:41:19 hmm 15:41:47 yup 15:41:53 primary and secondary 15:43:12 i wouldn't *need* the other two but i'm trying to address an obscure dns problem 15:43:32 someone try go to a non-existant www site ? 15:43:44 www.blahblahfoo.com <-- any random string 15:43:47 that is, about 90% users can resolve the domain w/o problem, and for 10% it doesn't resolve 15:43:59 nope i guess random doesnt work 15:44:05 try my old domain 15:44:12 www.purplecoder.com 15:44:36 yahoo owns that name now, they are sitting on it so that if anyone ever wants to register it they HAVE to go through yahoo 15:44:42 ' 15:44:45 im thinking of suing them over that, im sure its illegal 15:44:47 t has an ip address 15:44:54 ah 15:44:59 yes. yahoo is sitting on it 15:45:15 go to www.purplecoder.com and you get redirected to a yahoo porn site 15:45:30 a very very clever porn site 15:45:37 expiration date jan 17 2005 15:46:00 why illegal ? they're ("the director") is the owner 15:46:05 it is made to look like the porn site of a 19 year old girl in YOUR town 15:46:08 no matter what town 15:46:32 i believe its illegal to buy domain names for the sole purpose of selling them 15:46:34 there's no indication that you are affiliated to purplecoder.com 15:46:50 i.e. i could buy www.microsoft.com if it didnt exist and then hold microsoft to randsome for it 15:46:55 that has been made illegal 15:47:07 im not 15:47:10 i used to be 15:47:29 there are plenty of domain grabbers who operate that way 15:47:39 yes. but illegally so 15:47:43 i believe 15:47:51