00:00:00 --- log: started forth/04.01.15 00:01:45 --- quit: warpzero (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00:02:13 --- join: warpzero (~warpzero@dsl.142.mt.onewest.net) joined #forth 00:21:50 --- quit: Serg () 00:35:24 --- join: imaginator (~George@166.70.196.201) joined #forth 00:35:32 Morning. 00:35:39 hi 00:49:16 --- quit: warpzero (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 00:58:11 --- quit: imaginator (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00:58:45 --- join: Nutssh (~Foo@gh-1029.gh.rice.edu) joined #forth 00:58:58 --- quit: Nutssh (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00:59:37 --- join: warpzero (~warpzero@dsl.142.mt.onewest.net) joined #forth 01:01:14 --- join: Nutssh (~Foo@gh-1029.gh.rice.edu) joined #forth 01:14:22 --- join: suprdupr (~Vapo_Rule@cnq7-86.cablevision.qc.ca) joined #forth 01:14:39 hi there, good to see this chan is still alive =) 01:14:46 Heh 01:14:50 * kc5tja is about to get to bed though. 01:14:50 i have two questions 01:14:58 two quick questions 01:14:59 ;p 01:15:06 where is the mf/tin project 01:15:09 ??? 01:15:17 www.simforth.com/mf doesnt work anymore 01:15:35 I don't even know what you're talking about. 01:15:37 it was a target-assembler for the arm7tdmi processor, e.g. Gameboy Advance 01:15:44 a machine forth compiler 01:15:45 Ahh 01:15:47 anyway 01:15:49 Mark Slicker's program. 01:16:00 hmmmm 01:16:01 nope 01:16:14 the guy that developed dragon basic for the gba 01:16:31 he translates basic into forth and then combines tokens for each words 01:16:39 by pair and optimize them away 01:16:45 simple lookup but fast and simple 01:17:14 Then I don't know. 01:17:23 * suprdupr should try to stop repeating himself 01:17:26 At any rate, I can't find Mark Slicker's ARM-based ColorForth either. 01:17:37 arm simply kick ass, listen to this: 01:17:49 i was checking the firmware of my brother linksys router 01:17:57 there's already an howto on the net 01:18:05 --- quit: warpzero (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 01:18:16 about reverse-engineering a linksys wireless router firmware 01:18:43 mine is a befsr41 ver3 01:18:57 it uses tftp to upload its firmware 01:19:27 the first two versions, the firmware is flat, plain, whatever, plain binary image 01:19:58 the ver3 has those interesting things: (thats the whole point of my intervention) 01:20:18 --- join: qFox (C00K13S@cp12172-a.roose1.nb.home.nl) joined #forth 01:20:29 -Got a arm9tdmi under the hood, wich is a arm7tdmi with different exception handling and harvard architecture 01:20:46 -got a weird filesystem structure, perhaps one could help me here 01:21:00 arm7tdmi=processor in gba and lot of other handhelds btw 01:21:11 header is 208 bytes long 01:21:27 No offense, but can you get to the point please? I'm heading off to bed, and you still haven't asked your second question. :) 01:21:33 between two firmware versions (american and canadian one) theres a 3 bytes difference 01:21:38 * qFox just woke up 01:21:44 ok heres the question 01:21:53 qFox: It's 0121 where I live. 01:21:58 1021 01:21:59 :p 01:22:12 what is the filesystem or whatever that uses 208 (0Dh) header length 01:22:26 has kis41 in it 01:22:38 the string "kis41" 01:22:54 anyway, i got the datasheet of the router 01:23:12 it uses a ks8695 chip 01:23:17 basically a router in a chip 01:23:18 You say "header length" as if there is only one possible header. 01:23:20 I have no idea. 01:23:24 There isn't enough information. 01:23:37 ok heres why its strange 01:23:48 below the code.bin firmware image's header 01:23:59 there was a padded bzip2 file 01:24:07 i chopped off the header, uncompressed it 01:24:13 for the two firmware versions 01:24:21 and bang cleartext, html etc 01:24:29 but again this stupid header 01:24:44 with the same first 32 bytes at each different level 01:24:59 anyway my extended essay is for next friday 01:25:03 this will be my project 01:25:09 ill make a website about it 01:25:15 will be fairly well documented 01:25:20 ill try to plug forth in it 01:25:36 but the MF/TIN project's dead, at least the plage that explains it 01:25:40 Don't know -- I wish I could help. 01:25:44 so i lost my ariane's thread ;p 01:25:45 But as it is, I'm falling asleep at the keyboard. 01:26:15 anyway very exiting, because of compatibility, unbelivebale hacks possible 01:26:21 thanks anyway 01:26:26 have a good night sleep 01:26:29 you deserve it 01:26:33 ha wait 01:26:38 Maybe. We'll see. 01:26:51 do you know about kotodama-do 01:27:05 No. 01:27:06 kototama-do 01:27:08 i mean 01:27:08 Never heard of it. 01:27:14 http://www.kototama-do.com/ 01:27:22 french website 01:27:29 the girl look crazy but still 01:27:34 it talks about its founder 01:27:39 its "gardians" 01:27:43 and the aikido founder 01:27:45 is in there 01:28:09 http://www.kototama-do.com/morihei_ueshiba.html 01:28:26 in french, (again) but still ;p 01:28:30 --- join: warpzero (~warpzero@dsl.142.mt.onewest.net) joined #forth 01:29:02 thought it could interest you, the roots of aikido ;p 01:30:03 The roots of aikido are aikijujitsy and Daito Ryu, Bujutsu, and Budo. 01:30:36 Other arts were a part of the foundations of Aikido, but primarily, it's Daito Ryu, Budo, and a whole lot of meditation. :) 01:31:12 Jujitsy? 01:31:12 * kc5tja is rotflmfo! 01:31:12 aikijujutsu. 01:31:17 You knew what i meant. 01:31:32 its written in there ;p 01:31:48 in french though... can you read it? 01:32:36 No. 01:32:41 You know I can't read French. :) 01:32:52 trivia question: what is "Aïki Jin Ja"??? 01:33:06 No idea. I don't know Japanese either. 01:33:33 Pendant les années de guerre, Maître Ueshiba se retira à Iwama, à 120 kilomètres de Tokyo, où se trouve actuellement le sanctuaire de l'Aïkido (Aïki Jin Ja) 01:34:13 aikido's sanctuary, at 120 km of Tokyo 01:34:24 anyway, ill let you go, im sure you beg for it ;p 01:35:07 ill try the best i can to decypher this firmware 01:35:40 :) 01:35:45 Good luck. 01:36:45 --- quit: kc5tja ("THX QSO ES 73 DE KC5TJA/6 CL ES QRT AR SK") 01:39:08 this router is dirt cheap, 75$CAN 01:39:19 its a 166MHz ARM processor 01:39:38 well my friends, it KICKS ASS and is hackable im sure 01:39:54 ill keep you informed, could be great publicity for forth 01:40:14 what is it? 01:40:42 linksys 4 port 01:40:45 the befsr41 ver3 01:40:48 i have one 01:40:57 oh nice 01:41:00 its basically the ks8695 chip by micrel 01:41:02 do you have it here? 01:41:06 nope 01:41:10 damn 01:41:22 the firmware is available online 01:41:36 the first two versions are in clear text, this one is bzip2ed 01:41:37 tried to disassemble yet? 01:41:50 nope, i wanted to write my own tool 01:42:00 ah 01:42:07 didnt find any, but i though gba dev tools could do the trick 01:42:16 there the nocash debugger 01:43:03 heh 01:46:40 http://www.work.de/nocash/gba.htm 01:46:46 its been a while since i went there 01:46:49 hmmm 01:46:59 also darkfather arm webpage, talks about jtag 01:48:26 arm is a very compact isa 01:48:37 its risc, but it has alot of permutations 01:48:55 so a disassembler might not be so trivial 01:52:06 a disassembler for the arm7tdmi is 42k on a pc 01:53:48 there's the goldroad assembler 01:53:53 but no disassembler 02:02:05 --- part: Nutssh left #forth 02:04:31 i think i got it 02:04:37 after i removed the second header 02:04:41 there was a pattern 02:05:03 e1a00000 at least 4-5 times in line 02:05:25 i serached google for e1a00000 and found a post on a arm linux forum 02:05:38 hahaha this is a linux kerel image 02:06:19 kernel_magic=E1A00000 happens a lot 02:06:27 throughout results 02:08:20 so the firmware is basically a linux bzip2 kernel image 02:15:12 anyway ill stop my ramblings and go to sleep, its 5 am in the morning here 02:15:31 --- quit: suprdupr ("yahiou!") 02:21:17 --- quit: warpzero (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 02:27:59 --- join: warpzero (~warpzero@dsl.142.mt.onewest.net) joined #forth 02:49:46 --- join: warp0b00 (~warpzero@dsl.142.mt.onewest.net) joined #forth 02:54:28 --- quit: warpzero (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03:46:52 --- quit: warp0b00 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03:47:44 --- join: warp0b00 (~warpzero@dsl.142.mt.onewest.net) joined #forth 04:26:19 --- join: Robert__ (~snofs@c-9d5a71d5.17-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined #forth 04:43:45 --- quit: Robert (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05:14:34 --- join: hovil (~hovil@CommSecureAustPtyLtd.sb1.optus.net.au) joined #forth 05:15:29 --- join: schihei (~schihei@p5085D3D0.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 05:22:14 --- quit: schihei (Client Quit) 05:30:18 --- join: schihei (~schihei@pD9548FA4.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 06:32:30 --- nick: Robert__ -> Robert 07:17:23 --- join: I440r (~mmanning@saturn.vcsd.com) joined #forth 07:22:30 hi ho hi ho 07:22:35 its off to work I go 07:22:43 to toil away in a dank corner 07:36:33 --- quit: proteus-sleeps ("Leaving") 07:55:51 --- join: tathi (~josh@pcp02123722pcs.milfrd01.pa.comcast.net) joined #forth 08:28:01 --- join: Herkamire (~jason@h000094d30ba2.ne.client2.attbi.com) joined #forth 10:17:01 --- join: Nutssh (~Foo@gh-1177.gh.rice.edu) joined #forth 10:19:07 --- quit: Nutssh (Client Quit) 10:20:41 --- join: Nutssh (~Foo@gh-1177.gh.rice.edu) joined #forth 10:34:17 --- join: kc5tja (~kc5tja@66-91-231-74.san.rr.com) joined #forth 10:34:17 --- mode: ChanServ set +o kc5tja 10:34:35 --- quit: kc5tja (Client Quit) 10:34:46 --- join: kc5tja (~kc5tja@66-91-231-74.san.rr.com) joined #forth 10:34:46 --- mode: ChanServ set +o kc5tja 10:50:51 --- quit: Nutssh ("Client exiting") 11:05:26 --- join: Nutssh (~Foo@dunwlessnat.rice.edu) joined #forth 11:25:17 --- join: mmanning (~mmanning@saturn.vcsd.com) joined #forth 11:25:17 --- quit: I440r (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12:12:53 --- quit: Nutssh ("Client exiting") 12:35:02 --- join: I440r (~mmanning@saturn.vcsd.com) joined #forth 12:35:02 --- quit: mmanning (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12:35:08 --- nick: I440r -> afeasfe 12:35:12 --- nick: afeasfe -> mmanning 12:35:32 --- quit: mmanning (Client Quit) 12:40:17 --- join: mmanning (~mmanning@saturn.vcsd.com) joined #forth 12:44:02 --- join: Sonarman (~matt@adsl-64-169-92-141.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) joined #forth 13:01:09 --- quit: hovil ("Leaving") 13:09:23 --- nick: Robert -> rob_ert 13:15:19 --- nick: rob_ert -> Robert 14:16:51 --- quit: schihei (Client Quit) 14:22:25 hmm 14:22:28 Robert: http://www.tracetech.net/sanat/ 14:22:34 What's that 14:22:35 = 14:22:37 ? 14:22:51 finnish dictionary :) 14:23:03 Robert: you happen to know what polygraph means? 14:23:22 In Finnish? Löögndeteektorii ? :P 14:23:44 hmpf 14:23:51 that coudl not be even finnish word :) 14:24:03 Be quiet 14:25:05 what's polygraph? 14:25:22 * mur is reading guide to interrogation 14:25:34 Ah. 14:25:37 Lie detector 14:30:17 thanks 14:30:20 sounds logical 14:42:42 --- quit: qFox ("if at first you dont succeed, quit again") 14:44:47 --- join: qFox (C00K13S@cp12172-a.roose1.nb.home.nl) joined #forth 14:56:01 mur: I did a doubletake at your url because I used to work for tracer technologies 14:56:10 but you're missing the "r" 15:04:00 * kc5tja is away: errands 15:10:31 uh? 15:10:46 double take? 15:10:57 --- join: jagular (~jagular@h45n2fls34o884.telia.com) joined #forth 15:10:58 look at the url twice? 15:11:04 hello swede 15:11:11 hiya 15:11:33 how are the carrots? 15:11:41 Så du dyker upp här? 15:12:11 Jag trodde du hatade både mig och Forth. 15:12:59 Hm. 15:13:14 Det har jag väl knappast påstått? 15:13:30 hate is a heavy burden to carry 15:13:31 Kanske inte, men varför är du här? 15:17:51 --- quit: ChanServ (ACK! SIGSEGV!) 15:21:44 --- join: ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) joined #forth 15:21:44 --- mode: brunner.freenode.net set +o ChanServ 15:27:26 --- join: imaginator (~George@166.70.196.201) joined #forth 15:31:07 * arke is back (gone 17:28:53) 15:31:28 hiya alll 15:35:53 hello 15:38:13 --- join: I440r (~mark4@12-160.lctv-a5.cablelynx.com) joined #forth 15:38:17 gn 15:55:50 * arke is away: dog 16:12:28 * kc5tja is back (gone 01:08:28) 16:15:15 --- join: Nutssh (~Foo@dunwlessnat.rice.edu) joined #forth 16:33:01 --- join: Walnutssh (~Foo@dunwlessnat.rice.edu) joined #forth 16:37:19 --- part: Walnutssh left #forth 16:38:47 * arke is back (gone 00:42:59) 16:56:46 --- quit: qFox ("if at first you dont succeed, quit again") 16:56:46 --- quit: Nutssh ("Client exiting") 16:56:54 --- join: Nutssh (~Foo@dunwlessnat.rice.edu) joined #forth 17:14:56 kc5tja: hita 17:14:57 ewr 17:14:58 hiya 17:15:00 ^_^ 17:15:07 Hey 17:15:10 --- quit: Nutssh ("Client exiting") 17:15:12 kc5tja: do you recommend that I switch to ROX+0install? 17:15:32 kc5tja: I'm kinda planning on doing something like customized wmaker+rox+0install 17:15:36 I've never had a need to use 0install. I use ROX as a file manager for my desktop environment. 17:15:48 Well, 0install seems hella neat : 17:15:53 I also make my own AppDirs for my own applications and as wrappers around other apps. 17:16:44 cool, what do you have appdir'ed? 17:18:37 (as in, what applications?) 17:19:59 Just the stuff I use most often. X-Chat, Mozilla, and Neverwinter Nights. 17:20:27 NWN for linux? 17:23:57 Yes 17:44:48 --- join: blockhead (default@dialin-302-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net) joined #forth 17:45:08 Well, I'm going to get ready for aikido. 17:47:52 cool 17:47:54 have fun 17:47:57 and see ya later 17:49:55 --- quit: I440r (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 17:50:42 --- join: I440r (~mark4@12-160.lctv-a5.cablelynx.com) joined #forth 17:51:42 * kc5tja is away: aikido 18:03:27 --- quit: tathi ("Lost terminal") 18:30:56 --- join: proteusguy (~proteusgu@216.27.161.121) joined #forth 18:31:46 hya 18:31:48 hiya 18:33:56 hola 18:34:09 como estas mi amigo"? 18:34:54 haha doing ok. getting ready to travel... 18:35:11 --- join: Nutssh (~Foo@gh-1177.gh.rice.edu) joined #forth 18:35:57 :) 19:08:12 --- quit: zardon ("leaving") 19:54:09 --- quit: blockhead ("Client Exiting") 20:07:48 --- quit: imaginator (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 20:28:25 quick mental memory failure: what's the forth word that's like memset ( address length value -- ) 20:28:28 (?) 20:30:53 No idea. I think RPL used BLIT, 20:32:06 ah! it's FIILL 20:32:11 fill 20:32:16 good old memory :) 20:41:37 --- quit: proteusguy ("Leaving") 20:42:28 --- quit: Nutssh ("Client exiting") 21:01:28 --- join: arke_ (~chris@wbar8.lax1-4-11-099-104.dsl-verizon.net) joined #forth 21:01:31 --- nick: arke -> christmp 21:01:52 --- nick: arke_ -> arke 21:02:43 --- quit: christmp ("Leaving") 21:04:13 * kc5tja is back (gone 03:12:30) 21:04:55 hi kc5tja 21:05:01 kc5tja: I'm switching to wmaker again. 21:05:13 cool, arke :) 21:05:14 but, I'm gonna take my time customizing it this time 21:05:19 i used wmaker for a long time 21:05:22 and adding stuff from other wm's 21:05:27 Yeah, me too :) 21:05:46 I switch between wmaker and ion depending on how badly I need the function keys. 21:05:52 I'm too lazy to reconfigure ion. 21:06:02 lol 21:06:02 It's actually easier and less time consuming for me to change my xinitrc file. :) 21:06:13 well, not in the long run :) 21:06:28 i think the only reason i stopped using wmaker is that i accidentally uninstalled it and was too lazy to reinstall it :) 21:07:10 arke: No, not really. A simple cp .xinitrc-wmaker .xinitrc or cp .xinitrc-ion .xinitrc is all I need to change window managers. 21:07:13 Takes near zero time. 21:07:41 so then i used waimea for a long time and now i use metacity + gnome-panel + rox (although i never use rox) 21:08:10 Sonarman: heh 21:08:14 whats waimea? 21:08:32 It's a window manager for X11. 21:09:30 now it's being developed as kahakai 21:11:01 link? :) 21:11:14 * arke is sick and tired of mozilla 21:11:20 * arke goes with the slower but better one 21:11:33 kahakai.sf.net, i think 21:11:42 just google :) 21:11:53 i like dillo and konqueror 21:12:13 dillo's niiiiiice 21:12:33 yeah, i'm using konqueror 21:12:43 whats so nice about dillo? and what engine does it use? 21:12:52 dillo is just so small, fast and simple 21:13:33 does it use its own engine? 21:13:34 it uses the gzilla html parser and does everything else itself 21:13:42 and does it NOT FUCKING MIND TO DO JAVA AND SWF!? 21:13:58 i don't think it supports plugins like that yet 21:14:15 it doesn't have javascript and css either afaik 21:14:30 yea, I'll go with konqueror then :) 21:14:39 but it's super fantastic for getting INFO 21:14:52 * kc5tja uses dillo and MozillaFirebird, personally. 21:14:58 dillo is very sweet. And *fast*. 21:15:05 I use Firebird when I can't use dillo. :) 21:15:25 same with me except instead of firebird i choose konqueror :) 21:15:38 what platform is dillo 21:15:46 linux? 21:16:18 well, it's Gtk+ 1.2, so it runs on UNIX-y systems with X, i guess 21:16:26 cool 21:16:30 Safari works for me... 21:16:33 "? 21:16:33 firebird is being way mean. 21:16:35 http://www.dillo.org/Compatibility.html 21:16:36 :> and firebird on windows 21:16:43 ianp: heh, but thats OSX osnly, right? :( 21:17:08 yep 21:17:27 built off konqueror too incidentally 21:18:13 eek. 21:18:14 yeah so now khtml/konqueror gets lots of l33t patches from apple :) 21:18:22 How do I set a constant amount of workspaces in wmaker? 21:18:29 Sonarman: :) 21:19:09 where does OSX keep its running application icons? 21:19:22 in the "Dock", i think 21:19:35 arke: MacOS X uses AppDirs -- the icon files are stored within the directory that represents the application. 21:20:05 (where the freakin' hell they freakin' belong) 21:20:36 thats not what I meant.. 21:20:41 like, its taskbar thingy 21:20:49 yeah, the Dock 21:21:21 Oh, Ok. 21:23:47 eek 21:23:59 would the wmaker dock let me move it to the bottom of the screen? 21:25:36 i don't know. i know you can have the icons for currently-running at the bottom 21:25:44 currently-running apps 21:29:50 but i want to do it with teh dock.. 21:30:09 I'm not a left-right guy :) 21:30:28 this is why I do icewm + rox :-) 21:31:13 eeekeljknljba 21:31:14 what 21:31:15 the 21:31:15 FUCK 21:31:24 konqueror opens ALL my local stuff in kvim 21:31:32 even directories 21:32:09 haha 21:36:57 alright 21:37:01 wmaker is REALLY missing stuff. 21:37:22 I can't have a vertical dock, I can't set the color for the title text, etc. etc. etc 21:38:46 arke: My dock is vertical. Are you sure it can't have a vertical dock? 21:40:16 how did you make it vertical? 21:40:21 on the bottom of the screen, too? 21:40:56 That's not vertical. That's horizontal. :) 21:41:01 er 21:41:05 thats what i meant 21:41:06 lol 21:41:18 what window manager supports desktop icons with ROX? 21:41:46 arke: Let's put it this way: very few don't. 21:41:53 icewm! icewm! 21:42:36 I know for a fact wmaker does. 21:42:40 I have it running right now. :) 21:43:19 icewm also does, as Chandler is quick to point out. :) 21:43:31 Even ion does, although not in the way that one would typically expect. :) 21:43:55 icewm is neat but ... well ... ugly :) 21:45:50 arke: what about xfwm4? 21:46:51 I should probably use xfce4 again, yes. 21:46:57 but I would need to configure it more. 21:47:45 I'm not a big fan of xfce4 21:47:51 the file manager is ugly and dysfunctional 21:48:01 the panel seems to have lost its elegance 21:48:30 is kwin the most themable window manager (just in terms of window borders and things)? it seems to me it is because you can have C++ code for effects and customizations 21:48:45 nah, other wms can do that too 21:48:56 in fact kwin places restrictions on what buttons are allowed etc 21:49:03 i don't like xffm much either (although i barely tried it) but the rest of xfce4 i liked 21:49:04 e would probably still be "most usable" 21:49:07 xffm is ugly 21:49:10 I don't use it. 21:49:18 er, "most themable" 21:49:19 One of the reasons I'm trying ROX :) 21:49:22 didn't mean to say e is usable 21:49:39 chandler: I was going to say, e is one of the biggest resource hogs I've ever seen. :) 21:49:46 but e16 can't dlopen() code for effects, can it? 21:50:00 kwin can't do anything interesting with its dlopened code 21:50:07 but e16 has scripting stuff in it 21:50:15 the "Glow" effect is pretty cool :) 21:50:16 what kwin uses plugins for is simply drawing 21:51:09 eek. 21:51:12 ack. 21:51:13 so what other wms can load plugins for drawing? 21:51:29 metacity might, I'm not sure 21:55:25 should I go with fvwm2? :P 21:55:50 There is the Scheme window manager, where I believe it's thoroughly configurable. 21:55:57 I know, I'll make an APLwm. >:D 21:56:05 Y&Y(HIH<<>>@JI 21:56:12 now i have 8 workspaces! 21:56:18 Sonarman: Hehe :) 21:56:40 There's no denying APL, and its offspring J and K, are damn cool languages. But man, they make Forth look like the paragon of legibility. :D 21:57:14 Actually, I think I'll learn J one of these days, just to get familiar with it. 21:57:20 what about A+? 21:57:35 back to xfce4 ... :( 21:57:57 !!! 21:58:06 ROX isn't letting me drag stuff on the desktop! 21:58:11 Sonarman: I heard that it sucked compared to APL because all the keywords were spelled out, but using awkward bracketing rules for it. 21:58:37 Also, J is designed by the same guy who invented APL. It's basically a redesign of APL, and has better language structure. 21:58:46 arke: go to the Compatibility pane in the ROX Options Widnwo 21:59:58 still doesn't work 22:00:28 eek :( 22:01:27 you played with the two top checkboxes? 22:01:39 yes 22:01:52 time to switch WM, i guess. 22:03:22 arke: http://www.gobolinux.org/screenshots/screenshots/Seaslug_ROX.png 22:03:52 but i don't know, maybe things have changed in your versions 22:05:13 and http://ceco.kibertron.com/xfce/rox/rox2.png 22:06:13 :(((((((( 22:06:32 --- quit: Sonarman ("Lost terminal") 22:06:48 --- join: Serg (Serg_Pengu@212.34.52.140) joined #forth 22:15:38 arke: rox works great with ion :) 22:55:11 Going to bed. 22:55:20 --- quit: kc5tja ("THX QSO ES 73 DE KC5TJA/6 CL ES QRT AR SK") 22:55:59 --- quit: Serg () 23:13:18 --- quit: Herkamire ("I'm going to bed too") 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/04.01.15