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03:07:57 <Klaw> any awake?
03:17:27 <ayrnieu> Klaw - do you have a question?
03:17:40 <ayrnieu> err, no, sorry, I sleep at the moment.
03:27:26 <Klaw> no, it's alright, figured it out
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06:42:38 <fridge> year @ 1+ year !
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07:57:45 <snowrichard> hello
07:58:02 <chrisrw> y0
08:19:45 <mur> hey
08:19:57 <mur> fridge: :)
08:26:37 <snowrichard> hey peeeps
08:26:54 <madgarden> What the forth is going on here?!
08:27:02 <snowrichard> ??
08:27:20 <snowrichard> water run brb
08:28:03 <snowrichard> I got a present from my bank for new years.  They stole 28.00 from me
08:28:17 <mur> ;)
08:28:43 <snowrichard> idiot bill payment program takes checks out 2 days BEFORE the date you say you want them paid. 
08:29:02 <snowrichard> I say pay on the 1st because that is when I get payed.
08:29:10 <snowrichard> they pay on 30th and charge me NSF Fee
08:29:18 <snowrichard> idiots
08:30:31 <snowrichard> is this a bug or a feature?
08:31:12 <snowrichard> back to silent running mode now.... </venting>
08:32:42 <snowrichard> now I have to take out all of the payments I schedules and put them in to be paid 2 days later
08:33:24 <snowrichard> which means I need to write down all of the account numbers telephone numbers and crap
08:34:28 <Robert> Heh.
08:34:54 <Robert> Not a very good program..
09:02:07 <snowrichard> well I talked to my account manager and she says it is not going to cost me a fee
09:02:10 <snowrichard> after all.
09:02:29 <snowrichard> they have simply held the check for 24 hours to see if it going to be NSF
09:03:11 <snowrichard> but the statement output is plain wrong showng a deposit of 2308 and then a item for 316.26 that is nsf? :) 
09:03:31 <snowrichard> cybercrud
09:04:23 <snowrichard> banks must use the hitchhikers guide to the galaxy mathematical system :) 
09:06:07 <snowrichard> gastronics? no matter what you order it comes to exactly the amount of money you have in your pocket. 
09:32:08 <Robert> :D
09:41:03 <warpzero> Bring little and order alot then.
09:42:46 <chrisrw> hi all
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10:21:11 <mur> hey arke
10:25:47 <arke> hiya'
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14:16:18 <TheBlueWizard> hiya all
14:18:11 <mur> hey
14:18:18 <mur> year changed here 18 mins ago
14:18:27 <mur> i wish i coudlnt hear all this noise :/
14:18:29 <TheBlueWizard> hiya mur...Happy New Year
14:18:42 <mur> so terrible mess
14:18:46 <TheBlueWizard> hehe :)
14:18:48 <mur> all insticts target me
14:18:52 <mur> visual mess
14:18:53 <mur> noise mess
14:19:09 <mur> boom booms, music (old hits) and this weird IDM
14:19:20 <mur> turned of IDM
14:19:23 <TheBlueWizard> IDM?
14:19:23 <mur> for peace of mind
14:19:42 <mur> music genre
14:19:46 <mur> "intelligent dance music"
14:19:58 <mur> i thought i described it to you :)
14:20:03 <TheBlueWizard> never heard of it
14:20:06 <mur> derrived from ambient
14:20:20 <TheBlueWizard> ambient, yeah
14:20:23 <mur> the room is full of stuff everywhere
14:20:27 <mur> material mess
14:20:43 <mur> and i'm targetted all media (radio, explositions, this and amiga game i  am playing)
14:20:44 * TheBlueWizard shrugs
14:20:46 <mur> grrrr
14:20:57 <mur> i woudl like to get rid of all
14:21:06 <TheBlueWizard> heh
14:21:07 <mur> just black room with nothing
14:21:27 <mur> but turning off lights woudnt give me peace of mind, because i know that it is stil terrible mess here
14:22:00 <TheBlueWizard> black? you sound awfully mad...as if you hate the beginning of a new year already
14:24:40 <mur> its very hot here
14:24:44 <mur> and terible mess
14:26:18 <mur> black is terrible colour
14:26:20 <TheBlueWizard> hot? hmm....I thought it'd be rather chilly up in Helsinki
14:28:09 <mur> i'm in lahti
14:28:13 <mur> the computer is hot
14:28:21 <mur> and we have heating 
14:28:23 <mur> and it's hot
14:28:34 <mur> and cna't open doors so that dog will be normal because of the explositions
14:28:38 <mur> (although he isn't)
14:28:43 <mur> open windows
14:28:45 <mur> bad air and hot
14:28:46 <mur> ugh
14:29:03 <TheBlueWizard> sounds like you got a lousy place to live in
14:30:12 <Robert> Hey mur 
14:30:21 <Robert> Is it 2004 there?
14:30:31 <Robert> 30 minutes left here :)
14:30:43 <Robert> Time for some fireworks. Happy new year!
14:39:26 <mur> yes
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15:08:22 <snowrichard> hello
15:08:46 <snowrichard> looking at a PDF version of F83 Draft ANS standard.  200 + pages
15:08:51 <mur> hey
15:08:59 <snowrichard> hairy
15:09:03 <TheBlueWizard> hiya snowrichard
15:09:24 <snowrichard> I'm sure it will be good treatment for my insomnia
15:09:46 <snowrichard> like IBM mainframe programming manuals :) 
15:10:44 <snowrichard> 220 pages
15:10:56 <snowrichard> tbe
15:11:39 <snowrichard> there is an OS project called unununium
15:11:41 <snowrichard> what a name
15:12:11 <TheBlueWizard> interesting name :)
15:12:37 <snowrichard> I think its an element that there has not been enough of it ever made to measuer
15:12:40 <snowrichard> measure
15:12:56 <snowrichard> high end of periodic table
15:13:20 <mur> heh
15:13:27 * mur knows uuu :)
15:13:34 <mur> i'm its channel even
15:13:55 <snowrichard> they have a channel? I got the system disk to boot under bochs once
15:14:13 <snowrichard> bochs cool
15:15:00 <snowrichard> oh now I am in #uuu on freenode as an op :) 
15:15:38 <mur> they moved fromm FN to OFTC
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15:16:17 <snowrichard> ok
15:17:02 <snowrichard> though it would be cool to make a forth to run under the uuu kernel
15:17:24 <snowrichard> lighter than linux kernel
15:18:00 <snowrichard> but I don't know x86 assembler that well.
15:18:09 <snowrichard> lots of other ones though
15:18:22 <snowrichard> url to isforth?
15:18:47 <TheBlueWizard> isforth.clss.net
15:18:51 <snowrichard> tks
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15:30:52 <snowrichard> ok that wasn't too bad got it built
15:30:59 <snowrichard> the isforth that is
15:31:09 <snowrichard> love this new 2Ghz processor :) 
15:32:10 <snowrichard> back in the old days I used a forth that was all caps.  ugly
15:32:24 <snowrichard> FPC? not sure
15:33:03 <snowrichard> In the desert you can't remember your name la la la
15:34:00 <snowrichard> now to read the source for isforth it has been awhile since I looked at it.
15:36:16 <snowrichard> open office can open the .f files that is cool.
15:37:41 <snowrichard> guess I would start by looking at isforth.asm
15:40:32 <snowrichard> int 80 is a linux syscall?
15:42:19 <TheBlueWizard> yep
15:43:25 <snowrichard> on ancient IBM 360 instruction was called SVC for supervisor call and SVC 14 was EOJ
15:44:09 <snowrichard> useless little bits of fluff stuck in my brain  :)
15:44:44 <snowrichard> A941  6502 code for load A with "A"
15:45:26 <snowrichard> I wrote an assembler in machine language
15:45:35 <snowrichard> I think I memorized all 156 instructions
15:46:01 <snowrichard> sold a copy to the Woz and Jobs
15:46:21 <snowrichard> when they were still working in their garage
15:46:32 * TheBlueWizard yanks that useless fluff out of snowrichard's brain and burn it to ashes :)
15:46:58 <snowrichard> but I stopped smoking :) 
15:47:33 <snowrichard> quit in August when I quit drinking :) 
16:18:55 * warpzero is away: Happy new years everyone, I hope your year sucks.
16:19:25 <mur> not as much as yours will
16:20:20 * TheBlueWizard sends warpzero to /dev/null
16:23:06 <mur> You need to have a diskfile in DF0 to use the Kickstart replacement!
16:23:09 <mur> anyone knows UAE?
16:25:29 * TheBlueWizard has seen UAE in action, but isn't familiar with it
16:31:07 <mur> i can't understand how it works
16:41:16 <snowrichard> hello
16:41:41 <snowrichard> independence bowl is on so I am back on computer I don't like sports much
16:42:05 <snowrichard> I can't understand how it works (football that is)
16:42:55 <TheBlueWizard> snowrichard: it is easy to understand football...it is HUMAN WAR! ;)
16:43:36 <snowrichard> ceremonial war  yes that is kind of what I thought
16:44:21 <snowrichard> like that star trek episode where the computer lauched a simulatted nuke and if you draw a bad number you have to walk into a disintegrator
16:45:04 <snowrichard> a little worse that getting drafted :) 
16:45:57 <snowrichard> strawberry fieldsss forever ......
16:46:14 <snowrichard> nothing is real
16:46:16 <TheBlueWizard> nah...it is just fun watching football
16:46:42 <snowrichard> beatle lyrics
16:46:50 <snowrichard> let me take you down
16:47:28 <snowrichard> more entertaining than fball
16:47:56 <snowrichard> I got that  on tape
16:48:01 <snowrichard> just now
16:48:44 <snowrichard> cheap music library run my sound card out to my tape deck, make cassettes, pick the ones I like and change them back to oggs
16:49:03 <snowrichard> audacity
16:49:52 <mur> which is corrct 80x25 or 80x24
16:50:15 <snowrichard> standard pc console had 25 I think
16:50:24 <snowrichard> but?
16:50:48 <snowrichard> have been a while
16:51:11 <snowrichard> my first terminal was 64x16 (tvt-2)
16:51:49 <snowrichard> had about 20 TTL chips in it :) 
16:52:20 <snowrichard> that was 1976
16:53:07 <snowrichard> I got a tty (ASR-33) later. paper tape
16:53:40 <snowrichard> blazing 10 CPS (110 baud)
16:53:59 <snowrichard> and cpu clock was 1mhz
16:54:01 <snowrichard> 8 bit
16:54:07 <snowrichard> a real speed demon :) 
16:54:11 <snowrichard> the good old days
16:54:22 <snowrichard> pit
16:54:24 <snowrichard> out
16:54:56 <snowrichard> damn roman candles going off now
16:55:06 <snowrichard> hope they dont set the neighborhoood on fire.
16:56:44 <snowrichard> the peope at the crack house are setting off the fireworks
16:57:36 <snowrichard> crack house closer than the bank some neighborhood.  :))
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17:03:21 <mur> got it working now
17:03:23 <mur> cool
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17:05:46 <snowrichard> I am going to take a stab at documenting the isforth so that I can understand it.  I can give you ftp access to get the files after I get the web page for it done. ok?
17:06:13 <mur> ARGH!
17:06:36 <mur> so cruel. i cant click one, because cursor comes out of window before the program cursor :/
17:07:45 <snowrichard> I am volunteeering to do a web page for isforth. I will get back to you when it done about where to send the files if you want them ok?
17:07:59 <mur> phew it woked after all
17:10:46 <snowrichard> what worked?
17:10:49 <snowrichard> I was out
17:11:12 <snowrichard> heard it through the grapevine ......
17:11:27 <snowrichard> not too longer would you be mine ....
17:12:30 <snowrichard> I need to download intels x86 reference manuals so I can read the assembler code. 
17:13:44 <wossname> get 'em to fedex you a set
17:13:51 <wossname> they're free
17:17:08 <snowrichard> already downloaded love this DSL
17:17:24 <snowrichard> all three volumes
17:18:16 <snowrichard> never tried to call them they would not hire me
17:18:32 <wossname> ?
17:19:02 <snowrichard> I applied to work there after I got my second college dgree
17:19:12 <snowrichard> I have 3 pdfs 
17:19:12 <wossname> accept that, trust me. i use it instead of the printed manuals usually
17:19:22 <wossname> it says ".doc" but it's plain text
17:19:30 <wossname> pdfs are fine, but bloody slow and oversized
17:19:38 <wossname> you can grep your way right through it, or whatever
17:19:51 <snowrichard> but how do I accept it?
17:19:54 <snowrichard> in xchat
17:20:56 <wossname> not an idea
17:21:03 <wossname> here, wait a second
17:21:28 <snowrichard> I found where to accept now
17:21:34 <snowrichard> says waiting
17:21:47 <snowrichard> done
17:21:52 <snowrichard> cool
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17:26:33 <snowrichard> [root@localhost richard]# updatedb
17:26:33 <snowrichard> [root@localhost richard]# locate intel.doc
17:26:33 <snowrichard> /home/richard/.xchat2/downloads/intel.doc
17:26:33 <snowrichard> [root@localhost richard]#
17:26:57 <snowrichard> would have been nice if the damn thing told me where the heck it put the file.
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17:29:26 <TheBlueWizard> hiya kc5tja
17:29:45 <snowrichard> THANK you for the file now that I have found it :)
17:30:05 <snowrichard> intel.doc
17:31:04 <snowrichard> xchat accepts a file and throws it in subdirectory of a hidden directory. 
17:31:17 <snowrichard> kind of hard to figure out where the heck it went to
17:31:51 <ayrnieu> irssi gives you a '/set dcc' which will show all the settings that start with 'dcc', including the one that tells irssi where to put 'dcc get'd files.
17:32:13 <arke> hi kc5tja
17:33:01 <snowrichard> ok I just set it to something more reasonable
17:33:40 <snowrichard> /home/richard/downloads
17:33:52 <snowrichard> for completed files download to /tmp
17:34:36 <snowrichard> dcc offer test.txt
17:36:46 <snowrichard> testomg
17:36:52 <snowrichard> testing.....
17:37:10 <qFox> happy new year guys...
17:37:11 <qFox> :)
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17:39:52 <qFox> whatever timezone you're in..
17:44:24 <kc5tja> Howdy
17:44:25 <kc5tja> re TheBlueWizard
17:44:29 <kc5tja> re arke
17:44:56 * kc5tja has been diagnosed with a most annoying illness: The Crud.
17:45:08 <qFox> meaning.?
17:45:58 <kc5tja> Imagine pneumonia, but without the fluid in the lungs.
17:46:52 <qFox> hmmm pneumonia, was that "long infection" ?
17:47:00 <TheBlueWizard> hmm...never heard of that name...so it causes dry coughing?
17:47:14 <qFox> i know the word, but not sure what disease is tied to it... (dutch word)
17:47:33 <qFox> or like throath ache or something..
17:47:52 <qFox> nm i'll webster it
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17:48:38 <qFox> well sux... but its treatable i suppose?
17:48:48 <snowrichard> you can turnkey app -- that is cool. just read some example code.
17:49:12 <kc5tja> TheBlueWizard: Dry coughing, and the distinct inability to sleep because of so much coughing.  Literally, you don't stop for as long as you're lying down.
17:49:28 <kc5tja> qFox: I don't know yet.  I need to call the doctors tomorrow.
17:49:34 <qFox> sux :\
17:49:34 <snowrichard> that is like wht I was doing when I smoked
17:49:43 <kc5tja> I'm sure that it's treatable via anti-biotics, since it's pneumonia-like.
17:49:44 <snowrichard> constant cough
17:49:54 <qFox> on new years day... you're probably lucky they have time for you..
17:50:02 <kc5tja> snowrichard: Was it a dry, unproductive cough, or was there fluid involved?
17:50:14 <snowrichard> lugies sometimes
17:50:20 <kc5tja> snowrichard: I have nothing.
17:50:21 <snowrichard> brown
17:50:26 <kc5tja> It's pure, utter, total, 100% dry.
17:50:34 <kc5tja> No amount of coughing produces anything.
17:50:35 * qFox wonders what the death/wounded count is on fireworkrelated injuries this year, and in % compared to last year...
17:50:46 <qFox> i'd hate to be a paramedic at nye
17:51:38 <snowrichard> I suppose they want to do the turnover of iraq back to the iraqis on july 4th just to add insult to injury..
17:52:10 <qFox> hehe
17:52:12 <snowrichard> just a prediction
17:52:24 <qFox> that would actually be... evil
17:53:22 <snowrichard> I am not really happy with our wonderful government I got injured working for them and they have fucked me over ever since
17:53:35 <snowrichard> 15 years to get full disability
17:53:54 <snowrichard> 7 years of living on 72 a month
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17:56:06 <arke> hi woss
17:56:12 <snowrichard> and they say they have NO RECORD of me having the HEAD INJURY that caused this mess
17:56:12 <randolm> hi arke
17:56:14 <fridge> snowrichard, thats disgusting
17:56:25 <randolm> it seems i just missed a very important section of chat :l
17:57:06 <snowrichard> which?
17:57:33 <randolm> ah, it's just that i pop in after a reboot and you're finishing up a story about a head injury
17:57:48 <randolm> your line almost looks like something out of fortunes-zippy
17:58:08 <snowrichard> my dentist looked at what it has done to my teeth and said I could have died
17:59:37 <snowrichard> one of my bottom teeth is crooked and it used to be straight
18:02:28 <snowrichard> what is fortunes?
18:03:22 <randolm> type "fortune" in console, i'm sure you have a copy :0
18:03:29 <snowrichard> !fortune
18:03:31 <randolm> or wait, running windows?
18:03:48 <arke> cygwin? :)
18:03:50 <snowrichard> not installed
18:03:52 <arke> !!!
18:03:54 <arke> OMG
18:03:54 <arke> OMG
18:03:55 <arke> OMG
18:03:59 <arke> NO FORTUNE!?
18:04:01 <randolm> get FORTUNE
18:04:07 <randolm> life is empty without a cookie now and then
18:04:10 <arke> apt-get install fortune
18:04:17 <snowrichard> mandrake urpmi
18:04:23 <snowrichard> but my mirrors are borked
18:05:09 <randolm> if you've got a distro cd, i _guarantee_ you have fortune on it
18:05:48 <arke> snowrichard: i can't believe you don't have fortune...
18:06:12 <snowrichard> root@localhost richard]# urpmi fortune-murphy
18:06:12 <snowrichard> Some package requested cannot be installed:
18:06:12 <snowrichard> fortune-murphy-1.0-3mdk.noarch (due to unsatisfied fortune-mod) (Y/n) n
18:06:12 <snowrichard> [root@localhost richard]# urpmi fortune-mod fortune-murphy
18:06:12 <snowrichard> no package named fortune-mod
18:06:13 <snowrichard> [root@localhost richard]#
18:06:21 <snowrichard> mirrors are fucked
18:06:55 <snowrichard> I can do it manually
18:08:26 <snowrichard> did net install
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18:10:44 <snowrichard> well I have a fortune data file at least.  but not the program itself yet
18:10:52 <snowrichard> futurama
18:11:18 <snowrichard> I can write the program as python script in a few minutes I am sure. 
18:11:21 <snowrichard> :)
18:11:27 <kc5tja> Fortune is pretty simple.
18:11:34 * kc5tja remembers writing one for AmigaOS back in the day.
18:12:18 * kc5tja needs to look into converting his ham radio station into a rack-based system.
18:15:22 <TheBlueWizard> gotta go...bye all
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18:15:44 <snowrichard> computer geeks has some neat mini computer cases styles like stereo equip
18:16:46 <kc5tja> snowrichard: Well, I'm looking for something that I can slip into (preferably) a 19" rack system.  The rack can also serve as the common ground between all the pieces of gear, including power supply, antenna tuner, and radio itself.
18:18:25 <snowrichard> need to reboot to install a printer
18:18:28 <snowrichard> later
18:18:31 <snowrichard> bye
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18:46:18 <kc5tja> brb
19:03:52 <kc5tja> back
19:18:01 * MysticOne pokes kc5tja with a pork rib
19:18:22 * arke pokes MysticOne with a beef rib
19:18:58 * MysticOne eats both
19:19:07 <kc5tja> heh
19:19:13 <kc5tja> BEEFCAKE!!
19:19:29 <MysticOne> no, rib
19:19:30 <MysticOne> not cake
19:19:31 <MysticOne> :)
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19:25:50 * kc5tja is pretending to be able to play along with Pink Floyd's Live at Pompeii.
19:32:24 <Robert> Heh.
19:32:40 <Robert> I'm just downloading some videos from there :)
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19:35:38 <kc5tja> Damn I suck at this.  :)
19:37:06 <MysticOne> kc5tja: join THE CHANNEL ...
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20:17:56 <fridge> I can barely play the tunes in my piano book designed for 5 year olds
20:33:26 <kc5tja> Heheh :)
20:33:33 <kc5tja> Well, it's a nice distraction for me.
20:33:44 <kc5tja> I haven't played with any of my CDs in quite a few years.
20:34:06 <kc5tja> My left hand is starting to cramp up a bit though.
20:34:29 <kc5tja> Gripping the neck of the guitar for some rhythm chords while playing along with Echoes is quite . . . a challenge.  :)
20:36:32 <arke> ooh, i get to do massive optimizations now.
20:36:49 <arke> replacing rep movsw with some muuuuch faster stuff.
20:37:01 <arke> no MMX though, 386 code.
20:40:43 <warpzero> sup kc5tja
20:40:49 <warpzero> Hey what mail client do you guys use?
20:43:35 <kc5tja> Currently, K-mail.
20:43:37 <kc5tja> re warpzero
20:43:48 <warpzero> Is that KDE app?
20:45:17 <kc5tja> Yep.
20:45:30 <warpzero> Wont be using that then.
20:45:36 <kc5tja> I intend on ditching it as soon as I write a suitable replacement.
20:45:50 <kc5tja> Not that KMail is bad.  But it doesn't fit in with the rest of my desktop environment.
20:46:08 <warpzero> What is the rest of your desktop environment?
20:46:19 <kc5tja> ROX-Filer and Ion window manager.
20:46:42 <warpzero> OIC.
20:47:03 <warpzero> I use sylpheed, but I'm going to try out evolution.
20:47:05 <arke> i use evolution.
20:47:10 <arke> evolution is teh shit
20:47:20 <arke> hrm, an OT question follows.
20:47:31 <warpzero> As soon as evolution gets done compiling...
20:47:40 <arke> I'm trying to create a super-fast 386 memory copy.
20:47:45 <arke> here's what I got so far:
20:48:31 <I440r> rep movsd
20:48:34 <arke>         mov     eax, ecx
20:48:34 <arke>         shr     ecx, 1
20:48:34 <arke>         and     eax, 3          ; EAX is now offset for initial jump.
20:48:34 <arke>         shl     eax, 2
20:48:36 <arke>         jmp     cs:[.jmp+eax]
20:48:41 <arke> .jmp:   dd      .it4
20:48:43 <arke>         dd      .it3
20:48:44 <arke>         dd      .it2
20:48:47 <arke>         dd      .it1
20:48:50 <arke> .it1:   movsd
20:48:52 <arke>         dec     cx
20:48:56 <arke> .it2:   movsd
20:48:58 <arke>         dec     cx
20:49:01 <arke> .it3:   movsd
20:49:02 <arke>         dec     cx
20:49:04 <arke> .it4:   movsd
20:49:07 <arke>         dec     cx
20:49:08 <arke>         jnz     .it1
20:49:10 <arke> eek
20:49:12 <arke> sorry, thought that was less lines...
20:49:15 <arke> no, something faster than rep movsd even.
20:49:17 <arke> the first three lines are supposed to recalculate CX from 2-byte to 4-byte moves, and the remainder in EAX
20:49:29 <arke> hrm, those should be ECX
20:50:04 <warpzero> what do shr and shl do?
20:50:15 <I440r> shift left or right
20:50:22 <I440r> 0 fill through carry
20:50:24 <warpzero> oh okay
20:50:37 <warpzero> dd?
20:50:58 <arke> just create a dword (4 bytes) with content.
20:51:11 <arke> in this case, the addresses of the iteration locations.
20:51:25 <warpzero> okay
20:51:48 <I440r> is dec ecx faster than add ecx, -1 ?
20:51:54 <I440r> prolly
20:52:01 <arke> i would assume so
20:52:03 <warpzero> I would guess so.
20:52:26 <arke> i'm thinking of doing it on a q-word boundary
20:52:31 * warpzero doesnt understand x86 assembly
20:52:34 <arke> such that each iteration would look like
20:52:37 <arke> movsd
20:52:39 <arke> movsd
20:52:43 <arke> sub ecx, 2
20:52:50 <arke> but that might not be faster.
20:52:53 <I440r> actualy, the speed of the above is also dependant on the alignment of the source AND the target
20:52:53 <arke> i'm not sure.
20:52:55 <warpzero> how does movsd work?
20:53:04 <I440r> and your neglecting moves of an odd number of bytes
20:53:18 <arke> I440r: how so? wouldn't the remainder take care of it?
20:53:38 <I440r> movsd moves the dword pointed to by esi to the address pointed to by edi. it advances both pointers
20:54:05 <I440r> your code will overrun a 5 byte buffer by 3 bytes
20:54:07 <warpzero> so then how is his thing faster than rep movsd?
20:54:20 <arke> and btw, it'll always be even, i think..
20:54:21 <I440r> it probably isnt
20:54:42 <arke> 80x25 = 400x5 = 2000
20:54:55 <arke> 2000*2 bytes = 4000 bytes
20:54:56 <warpzero> and why wouldnt that thing you suggested be addi?
20:54:57 <I440r> your limiting it to display memory ?
20:55:09 <arke> erm, yes, it is for a display routine.
20:55:18 <I440r> because addi is NOT an x86 instruction :)
20:55:41 <I440r> arke you will NEED to be able to move WORDS bit DWORDS
20:55:41 <arke> :)
20:55:45 <warpzero> Okay. its a MIPS one tho.
20:55:50 <I440r> in fact im not sure you can move dwords
20:55:54 <I440r> im assuming a DOS text mode
20:56:04 <arke> nope
20:56:07 <arke> pmode OS
20:56:10 <arke> forth OS :)
20:56:22 <I440r> well text mode yes ?
20:56:25 <arke> it needs to be super duper lighting fast.
20:56:30 <arke> yes, text mode.
20:56:31 <I440r> a single character cell is TWO bytes
20:56:39 <I440r> one for the character and one for the attribute
20:56:41 <arke> but it needs to work with any text mode defined
20:56:52 <warpzero> I wonder what glibc's memcpy() looks like?
20:56:56 <arke> but that won't be a problem, as each character is represented by 2 bytes :)
20:57:19 <I440r> yes but if you move 5 characters thats 10 bytes and 10 does not divide by 4 
20:57:35 <arke> it gives a remainder of 2 in EAX
20:57:39 <I440r> so if your move routine used nothing but movsd you would overwrite beyond where your supposed to
20:57:48 <arke> so it jumps to .it2 the first time.
20:57:50 <I440r> you should use movsw
20:57:59 <I440r> but those are all MOVSD !!!!!
20:58:01 <arke> hr,.
20:58:03 <arke> oh yeah
20:58:04 <warpzero> Whats movsw?
20:58:04 <arke> you're right.
20:58:05 <arke> :)
20:58:12 <warpzero> same thing single word?
20:58:14 <arke> warpzero: the 2-byte equivalent of movsd
20:58:20 <warpzero> right
20:58:24 <I440r> besides - most of the time is going to be spent calulating the corrdinates of the block your going to move
20:58:29 <I440r> erm the addres FROM the corrdinates
20:58:34 <warpzero> arke: What hardware is this for?
20:58:36 <I440r> you wanna see MY code to do this ?
20:58:37 <arke> x86
20:58:48 <arke> i guess i might as well just use rep movsw then.. :(
20:58:50 <warpzero> Yeah i got that... what specific hardware?
20:58:57 <arke> 386-up.
20:59:09 <arke> its gotta be 386 compatible :)
20:59:23 <warpzero> All but really old hardware is going to outpace the memory controller anyway.
20:59:39 <arke> thats exactly why :)
21:00:09 <arke> i think what I'm going to do is use MMX, and just set a flag in the compiled binary.
21:00:16 <arke> I hope Robert doesn't mind :)
21:00:20 <I440r> arke how are you calculating cursor address based on x/y coordinates ?
21:00:20 <arke> hrm
21:00:29 <arke> the problem here is, i;ve never used mmx ... lol
21:00:39 <I440r> mmx wont be faster
21:00:45 <arke> ok, nvm then
21:00:50 <arke> I440r: thats rob's code, lemme see
21:00:52 <I440r> rep movsd is faster than using mmx and if you use mmx you cant also use fp
21:00:57 <warpzero> Why not: use mov? (single byte) or movsw to do the remainders at both edges and then use aligned rep movsd for the middle?
21:01:12 <I440r> thats the best way
21:01:14 <I440r> BUT!!!
21:01:17 <I440r> thers a danger
21:01:19 <kc5tja> Sorry to burst everyone's bubbles here, but rep movs* is one of the slowest instructions to use on x86 architectures.
21:01:31 <I440r> if the block you are moving is aligned different to the destination
21:01:31 <arke> crt_set_cursor:
21:01:31 <arke>         mov     byte[ebx+screen.curx],cl
21:01:31 <arke>         mov     byte[ebx+screcrt_set_cursor:
21:01:32 <arke>         mov     byte[ebx+screen.curx],cl
21:01:34 <arke>         mov     byte[ebx+screen.cury],ch
21:01:36 <arke>         call    crt_set_cursor_physical
21:01:40 <arke>         ret
21:01:42 <arke> en.cury],ch
21:01:44 <arke>         call    crt_set_cursor_physical
21:01:48 <arke>         ret
21:01:50 <arke> oops, pasted twice :(
21:01:52 <arke> kc5tja: yes, thats why i wanted to go around it.
21:01:54 <arke> i thought MMX would help there...
21:01:55 <I440r> looks horrible heh
21:01:55 <warpzero> kc5tja: Bubble not bursted. I don't know much about x86.
21:02:03 <arke> crt_set_cursor:
21:02:03 <arke>         mov     byte[ebx+screen.curx],cl
21:02:04 <arke>         mov     byte[ebx+screen.cury],ch
21:02:04 <I440r> no mmx wouldnt help
21:02:06 <arke>         call    crt_set_cursor_physical
21:02:10 <arke>         ret
21:02:12 <arke> here thats it.
21:02:21 <kc5tja> Since MMX uses the floating point registers, you're better off just using the floating point load/store instructions.
21:02:24 <arke> I440r: how come? its got that cache-go around instruction too, and can stream at 128 bits.
21:02:25 <I440r> theres where you are goinbg to be blowing MOST of your time
21:02:53 <arke> kc5tja: thats a move by intel i never will understand...
21:02:55 <I440r> successive loads to and stores from a single fpu reg is fast
21:03:11 <I440r> but i BELIEVE that on some pentiums its faster to just use rep movsw
21:03:26 <warpzero> We could always just use C.
21:03:30 <arke> on a 386 rep movs* is very fast.
21:03:34 * I440r thwaps warpzero
21:03:36 <I440r> heh
21:03:42 <arke> but 486 introduced pipelining, making it the slower approach
21:03:58 <arke> warpzero: forth, if not assembly!
21:04:12 <arke> I440r: but I do believe Robert wants to stay 386 compatible
21:04:42 <arke> if he wasnt asleep, i'd ask him...
21:05:06 * warpzero is going to need to learn both ppc and x86 assembly at some point.
21:05:34 <warpzero> I'm not porting my shit to anything else. :P
21:06:00 <I440r> rep movsw will be your best choice
21:06:08 <arke> :((
21:06:18 <warpzero> How does rep work?
21:06:20 <I440r> because it will move single characters without your needing to worry about alignment issues on the source or destination
21:06:20 <arke> (not to doubt you, I440r, but..)
21:06:25 <arke> can I have a second opinion on that?
21:06:48 <I440r> rep repeats SOME instructions by the number in the ecx reg
21:06:49 * arke reads AMD optimization manual
21:07:02 <warpzero> Okay.
21:07:04 <I440r> so if ecx is 10 then rep movsw executes TEN movsw's
21:07:14 <I440r> or rather it executes THAT movsw 10 times heh
21:07:25 <I440r> its like an auto loop back onto the same instruciton
21:07:35 <arke> but it only works with string instructions.
21:07:42 <arke> which makes it very inflexible :(
21:07:43 <I440r> you cant do stupidness like rep mov eax, [blah]
21:07:44 <I440r> tho
21:07:52 <arke> which sucks!
21:07:54 <I440r> it only works on string instructions i believe
21:07:59 <arke> yeah
21:08:02 <arke> only string instructions.
21:08:04 <kc5tja> REP only works on string instructions.
21:08:24 <arke> kc5tja: you think as well that rep movsw will be my best choice here?
21:08:38 <kc5tja> what are your goals?  Maximum performance or minimum size?
21:08:44 <arke> will an explicit loop be faster?
21:08:52 <I440r> no
21:08:54 <arke> er, more performance.
21:08:54 <kc5tja> An explicit loop will always be faster.
21:09:07 <I440r> blah:
21:09:09 <I440r>   movsd
21:09:11 <arke> well, it wont on a 386, but i think it would on 486+
21:09:12 <I440r>  loop blah
21:09:15 <I440r> is slower than
21:09:17 <warpzero> I440r vs. kc5tja ... ROUND 1 ... FIGHT
21:09:17 <arke> loop is bad!!!
21:09:17 <I440r>  rep movsw
21:09:24 <kc5tja> The problem with REP MOVSW is that it sits in ONE pipeline of the computer, which effectively seizes the remaining pipes -- nothing else can execute while the MOVSx instruction is running.
21:09:31 <arke> yes, but they're both slower than
21:09:35 <arke> blah:
21:09:38 <arke>  movsd
21:09:40 <arke>  dec cx
21:09:42 <arke>  jz blah
21:09:48 <warpzero> Isn't there just a memory range copy instruction?
21:09:50 <kc5tja> Depends.
21:09:55 <kc5tja> warpzero: That's movsw
21:10:03 <kc5tja> But it's faster to just do the loop explicitly.
21:10:04 <I440r> arke that dec ecx jNZ blah is only faster on SOME verions of the pentium
21:10:05 <warpzero> but it only moves 1 word?
21:10:10 <I440r> you should use LOOP
21:10:11 <arke> (i think at least..
21:10:16 <kc5tja> Because then multiple instructions execute in multiple pipelines, and it can be better parallelized by the hardware.
21:10:21 <arke> loop clogs the pipeline as well.
21:10:34 <kc5tja> warpzero: REP MOVSx where x is either B=Byte, W=Word, D=Double-word
21:10:37 <arke> thats it
21:10:48 <arke> i'm using teh nasm preprocessor.
21:10:57 <arke> to do optimization levels.
21:10:57 <arke> :)
21:11:08 <kc5tja> arke: I encourage you to try different approaches, and profile them.  Find out empirically which one is faster.
21:11:16 <kc5tja> I think you'll find explicit loops are faster.
21:11:29 <I440r> he can only do that on the specific processor he is testing on
21:11:34 <warpzero> Yeah I think that doing profiles is a DAMN good idea in this case.
21:11:37 <arke> unless I use bochs
21:11:38 <arke> :)
21:11:41 <I440r> different methods have different results on different processors
21:12:04 <I440r> like - run the same code on a p4 and an athlon...
21:12:16 <I440r> different optimizations work on those
21:12:29 <kc5tja> I440r: Well, since both AMD *and* Intel say, "Thou shalt not use REP MOVSx, for it is slow and will make you sterile," I think it's a pretty safe bet that the profiling will result in benefits across the board.
21:12:32 <I440r> things that are optimized for one CAN be negativly optimized for th eother
21:12:55 <warpzero> When I write my native-code compiler I'm just going to have it have a set of possible options and profile everything.
21:13:17 <I440r> actually, for a TEXT mode who cares lol
21:13:20 <warpzero> Stick them all in loops, see which is faster, continue.
21:13:32 <I440r> now - if this was a graphics mode it would make a difference heh
21:13:34 <arke> I440r: lol
21:13:42 <arke> I440r: well, see, theres the problem.
21:13:47 <I440r> your going to be moving TENS of characters!
21:13:49 <I440r> lol
21:13:53 <arke> I440r: I (we?) do plan to implement graphics eventually
21:14:07 <arke> I440r: actually, exactly 2000 of them in text mode.
21:14:17 <kc5tja> You're only going to be moving text data around?
21:14:17 <arke> which makes 4000 bytes.
21:14:23 <kc5tja> How often will this be done?
21:14:26 <I440r> most of the time your not going to be moving that many in one go
21:14:29 <arke> kc5tja: for now, yes
21:14:38 <I440r> screen scroll...
21:14:48 <arke> kc5tja: well, eventually, only when needed.
21:14:54 <kc5tja> arke: I don't care if it's "for now" or not.  Premature optimization will ruin you.  It's a bad habit.  Stop it.
21:15:02 <arke> kc5tja: Ok.
21:15:02 <kc5tja> Make software that works, now.  Solve the problem you have, now.
21:15:06 <arke> kc5tja: point taken.
21:15:20 <I440r> i think its fun to optimize but thats its ONLY merit
21:15:25 <kc5tja> If, and only if, things get slow in actual practice, THEN you optimize.
21:15:32 <arke> ugh, I don't want to, but if I'm gonna do what I plan to do, I'm gonna have to throw out lots of code :(
21:15:46 <I440r> mostly optimize your METHODS, not your instrucitons
21:15:50 <kc5tja> arke: Well, what are you planning to do?
21:15:55 <kc5tja> You haven't told us anything yet.
21:16:01 <arke> kc5tja: I'm helping Robert with his project.
21:16:03 <arke> :)
21:16:09 <arke> robert.zizi.org/f.html
21:16:24 <arke> its a DTC right now, and its gonna be STC.
21:16:34 <arke> but he has produced lots of valuable code.
21:16:46 <arke> (but also stolen lots from his previous projects, lol)
21:19:18 <kc5tja> Personally, and this isn't necessarily the case with everyone, I have found this observation to hold true: all the time I spend trying to figure out how to make a piece of code general is greater than the sum of the time it takes me to write the original code, chuck it, then re-write it from scratch when I have to.
21:20:12 <kc5tja> Interestingly enough, in extreme programming, this is codified (albeit in a strange form): if you write code more than twice, factor it.  
21:20:42 <kc5tja> Basically, you won't know what to factor (e.g., what to generalize) until you have side-by-side comparisons to perform a mental `diff' with.  
21:21:09 <I440r> which is why ALOT of the design phase is BULLSHIT.
21:21:13 <I440r> not all
21:21:14 <I440r> but alot
21:21:31 <I440r> your design phase is your initial "best guess"
21:21:44 <kc5tja> Well, design phase is good in that it gives you a target to strive for.
21:21:48 <I440r> you should code first, design secnd, code again :)
21:22:04 <kc5tja> You have to have it -- blindly coding without a set goal in mind will result in failure every time.
21:22:06 <arke> :)
21:22:08 <I440r> yes. but it should be very very general with NO specifics in it what so ever
21:22:18 <I440r> kc5 well ya lol
21:22:19 <kc5tja> No, it should be as specific as possible.
21:22:19 <arke> but i do feel bad
21:22:27 <arke> because robert has put ALOT of code and time into it.
21:22:27 <I440r> im gona code something.. dunno what yet but.... heheh
21:22:37 <arke> and i'm most likely only gonna be using 25-30% of it.
21:23:11 <I440r> kc5 the more specifics you have in the design the more you paint yourself into a corner - unless your allowed to RE-design later
21:23:27 <I440r> i.e. some designs are cast in stone and are thus DOOMED to failure
21:23:39 <I440r> or at least mediocrity
21:23:52 <kc5tja> I think you're confusing customer requirements with software architecture.  The two are wholesale different things.
21:24:22 <kc5tja> The customer rarely has a need to dictate architecture (unless, obviously, part of HIS product depends on the architecture being a certain way).
21:24:37 <I440r> kc5 no - im talking about where a company does a design, writes the specification down, hires a coder who now has to follow that totally useless design without any deviation what so ever
21:24:49 <I440r> you "must" do it this way because thats what the design says
21:24:54 <kc5tja> No, you're still confusing the two concepts.
21:25:04 <kc5tja> If they write the design, why don't they just code it themselves?
21:25:15 <I440r> err who knows
21:25:24 <kc5tja> They had to hire a programmer for a reason: that reason is they have zero clue about how to architect a software package.
21:25:40 <I440r> who cares lol - the point is they have a design and it MUST BE followed. down to the most minute of details
21:25:46 <I440r> you are NOT allowed to change it
21:26:06 <I440r> nevermind that when you actually go to code it you find part X of the design to be totally incompatible with part Y of the design
21:26:11 <kc5tja> Details like, "The window must be XxY pixels in size, must have a title that reads FOO, et. al." are hardly something to be worried about.
21:26:14 <I440r> which they had no way of knowing 
21:31:27 <MysticOne> I440r: I think what kc5tja is telling you is that the design of the program, the way it looks, is completely different from the way it's actually built
21:31:41 <MysticOne> I440r: if they went so far as to define exactly how the program works, then they essentially wrote the program
21:32:54 <I440r> yes
21:32:57 <I440r> SHOULD be
21:39:34 <I440r> brb
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22:07:53 <I440r> happy new year from texas
22:08:10 <MysticOne> Tejas!
22:08:36 <kc5tja> I should probably go to bed soon.
22:08:39 <kc5tja> I have to work.
22:09:05 <MysticOne> what time do you guys open?
22:09:26 <kc5tja> We open at 10:30AM, but I am scheduled for 11.
22:09:50 <MysticOne> ahh
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22:16:56 <snowrichard> hey
22:17:07 <snowrichard> what time is it?
22:17:22 <snowrichard> (central US)
22:18:02 <I440r> 00:17
22:18:49 <snowrichard> ok just reinstalled mandrake onto a 40G hd and it was set to eastern
22:21:18 <snowrichard> is isforth yours?
22:21:33 <I440r> yes
22:22:07 <snowrichard> ok I want to understand how it works, and the way I do that is document everything to death so when I get the web page of my notes done you want a CD of the web site?
22:22:24 <I440r> hell yes :)
22:22:33 <snowrichard> volunteer of course
22:22:46 <I440r> are you a good tech writer ?
22:22:51 <snowrichard> fair
22:22:54 <I440r> i can help you understand the kernel
22:23:07 <I440r> and we could come up with some documentation for it in no time flat
22:23:54 <snowrichard> I am just rusty on x86 assembly because I had never owned a PC and had time to learn it.
22:24:06 <snowrichard> read a book about 8086 mode years ago
22:24:07 <I440r> x86 assembly is easy
22:24:21 <I440r> and i have LOTS of comments heh
22:24:24 <snowrichard> well I can d/l the IA32 manuals form intel
22:25:00 <snowrichard> go to the source for actual docs rather than guessing :) 
22:26:02 <I440r> actually the ia32 docs from intel go on and on and on and on and on...
22:26:07 <snowrichard> test server name is richardsnow.is-a-geek.net
22:26:07 <I440r> worse than the damned battery bunny
22:26:16 <snowrichard> yeah over kill
22:26:21 <snowrichard> 3 volumes 
22:26:21 <I440r> best thing you can do to learn x86 is get the 8086 book from intel
22:26:34 <snowrichard> is free?
22:26:43 <snowrichard> limited money
22:28:18 <snowrichard> see eventually I would like to write my own os kernel and want to base the thing on forth
22:28:35 <snowrichard> or use the OSKIT one
22:30:02 <snowrichard> need to reboot to get the damn clock set right I think
22:30:23 <I440r> well you MIGHT be able to find a second hand copy of it in a book store
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22:30:30 <I440r> well you MIGHT be able to find a second hand copy of it in a book store
22:30:32 <I440r> but dont count on it
22:30:42 <I440r> oopts he left heh
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22:32:05 <snowrichard> you were saying?
22:32:16 <snowrichard> now it is app 32 minutes into 2004
22:32:17 <I440r> heh
22:32:30 <kc5tja> Well, I'm getting tird.
22:32:32 <kc5tja> tired even
22:32:34 <snowrichard> me too
22:32:35 * kc5tja is going to bed.
22:32:39 <I440r> i was saying you might be abel to get a second hand copy of th3e book
22:32:42 <I440r> night kc
22:32:50 <I440r> its the 8086 book, includes the 8088
22:33:01 <I440r> any assembler book after that isnt worth a shit
22:33:08 <snowrichard> think I had one a long time ago
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22:33:14 <I440r> erm any INTEL assembler book after that isnt wortha shit
22:33:18 <I440r> its blue heh
22:33:25 <snowrichard> no 
22:33:35 <snowrichard> not that one
22:34:16 <snowrichard> but I have programmed 6502, 6809, Z80, IBM360, 68K so one more won't be hard
22:34:57 <snowrichard> but it really is bedtime
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22:36:01 <I440r> :)
22:36:03 <I440r> night
22:36:15 <zzzsnowzzz> but the damn fireworks still popping
22:36:30 <zzzsnowzzz> sound like ww3
22:36:53 <zzzsnowzzz> I need coffee :) 
22:39:14 <I440r> i got some :)
22:39:23 <I440r> in fact i got a whole pot of really good coffee
22:39:35 <I440r> your just north of austin
22:39:39 <I440r> im just east of dalas
22:39:52 <zzzsnowzzz> actually I am in shreveport LA
22:39:59 <I440r> im almost twice as far east of dalas as you are north of austin
22:40:12 <zzzsnowzzz> east of dallas north orleans
22:40:13 <I440r> ok LA is in california :P
22:40:19 <zzzsnowzzz> Louisana
22:40:23 <zzzsnowzzz> shreveport
22:40:34 <zzzsnowzzz> I 20 and I 49
22:40:44 <I440r> ooh 
22:40:56 <zzzsnowzzz> is about a mile from here
22:41:02 <I440r> i was talking to someone else and got my wires crossed heh
22:41:14 <I440r> your like 70 ish miles from me
22:41:40 <zzzsnowzzz> really?
22:41:47 <I440r> yes
22:41:53 <I440r> 73 i think is the distance
22:41:56 <I440r> im in longview texas
22:42:09 <zzzsnowzzz> OH damn I used to live in Marshall
22:42:14 <I440r> heh
22:42:19 <I440r> thats like spitting distance from here
22:42:21 <zzzsnowzzz> I could have taken you to dinner
22:42:28 <I440r> ya
22:42:45 <I440r> would have prefered someone sexier tho :)
22:42:46 <I440r> hehe
22:42:54 <zzzsnowzzz> not like a date :) 
22:42:58 <I440r> lol heh
22:42:59 <zzzsnowzzz> just to meet
22:43:02 <I440r> yup
22:43:15 <zzzsnowzzz> I visit my mom in Marshall quite a bit
22:43:16 <I440r> i was just makin funny with it is all lol
22:43:19 <I440r> cool
22:43:24 <I440r> wish i could vizzit my moim
22:43:25 <I440r> mom
22:43:28 <I440r> she is in england:/
22:43:32 <zzzsnowzzz> oh
22:43:40 <zzzsnowzzz> my grandma lives inBig Sandy
22:43:45 <I440r> do you work tomorrow ?
22:43:48 <zzzsnowzzz> 91 yrs
22:43:49 <I440r> wheres big sandy ?
22:43:55 <I440r> wow thats cool!
22:44:00 <zzzsnowzzz> just north gladwater
22:44:07 <zzzsnowzzz> west I mean
22:44:08 <I440r> in england if they make it to 100 they get a letter off the queen :)
22:44:22 <zzzsnowzzz> I no work
22:44:27 <I440r> i wanna stay in this area when this contract ends
22:44:30 <zzzsnowzzz> disabled vet lots of time to write docs
22:44:35 <I440r> aha
22:44:36 <zzzsnowzzz> :))
22:44:55 <zzzsnowzzz> get paid to work at nothing all day :) 
22:44:56 <I440r> when this contract ends (possibly in a week) ill have lots too :/
22:45:04 <I440r> how much per hour ?
22:45:09 <zzzsnowzzz> 2308 a month
22:45:15 <I440r> thats not too bad
22:45:23 <I440r> i could live and save off that
22:45:34 <zzzsnowzzz> well I got debts out the yazoo
22:45:38 <I440r> except i cant now, i owe my dad alot of money
22:45:55 <zzzsnowzzz> my coffee shoudl be done now brb
22:45:59 <I440r> ive not worked in two years till this contract,
22:48:51 <zzzsnowzzz> back.. only snack I could find in fridge was cake icing.  have an icing sandwich
22:49:23 <I440r> lol
22:49:30 <I440r> i have mayo sw sometimes :)P
22:49:51 <zzzsnowzzz> my blood sugar get low and I get nutty
22:50:54 <zzzsnowzzz> I now have a 40G hd installed but I am supposed to give it back to the guy that runs this place.  I offered to buy it from him.  I wonder if he could tell the diff between the 40 G WD and a 6 G seagate? I bet not :) 
22:51:35 <I440r> lol
22:51:45 <zzzsnowzzz> I have the seagate in the bag the WD was in with a win95 FAT32 part. tab. on it.
22:53:16 <zzzsnowzzz> he is a psychologist not a compgeek
22:54:19 <I440r> but your an honest guy right ??? :)
22:54:52 <zzzsnowzzz> yes I will give it back just would be nice to use it. 
22:55:08 <I440r> ya
22:55:21 <zzzsnowzzz> but they are only $50 bucks at compgeeks
22:55:22 <I440r> i just got rid of some 1 gig drives, dismantled em
22:55:39 <zzzsnowzzz> $85 for and 80
22:55:41 <I440r> if i had any spare drives i would donate one
22:55:47 <I440r> yes its about a buck a gig now
22:55:58 <zzzsnowzzz> well I have a 6 and and a 3
22:56:19 <zzzsnowzzz> and I have money in bank
22:56:41 <zzzsnowzzz> think I'll check Ebay for wireless router
22:56:44 <I440r> i just got a 200 gig drive heh
22:56:46 <zzzsnowzzz> and laptop
22:56:52 <I440r> i just got one of those too. a linksys
22:56:59 <zzzsnowzzz> which model?
22:57:04 <zzzsnowzzz> work with linux ok?
22:57:30 <I440r> not sure of model - its a wireless g 2.4 ghz switch/router
22:57:43 <I440r> yea linux doesnt need t5o know shit about it
22:57:56 <I440r> its external 
22:57:57 <zzzsnowzzz> well yeah plumbing
22:58:07 <I440r> rigth
22:58:12 <zzzsnowzzz> a fat pipe :) 
22:58:16 <I440r> now - the wireless card in the laptop.. thats a problem
22:58:31 <I440r> well im on cable here - its not dial up but its not exactly FAT either heh
22:58:42 <I440r> the wireless hub works on the 2.4 ghz range
22:58:47 <zzzsnowzzz> you want an OC3
22:58:56 <I440r> hell yes!
22:59:00 <I440r> you got one you can give me ?
22:59:02 <I440r> heh
22:59:04 <zzzsnowzzz> fuck no
22:59:15 <zzzsnowzzz> I am on dsl
22:59:19 <I440r> i have a copy of GR-CORE 253 :)
22:59:31 <I440r> synchronous optical network specificaion
23:02:08 <zzzsnowzzz> but really maybe in march we could meet and talk in person when I take a weekend trip. 
23:02:23 <zzzsnowzzz> 318 934 1664 
23:03:44 <I440r> whussat ?
23:03:50 <I440r> i prolly wont be here in march
23:03:55 <zzzsnowzzz> what is what? feb?
23:03:57 <I440r> very very unlikely that i will
23:04:02 <I440r> no that number lol
23:04:10 <zzzsnowzzz> phone
23:04:14 <I440r> i live in indiana
23:04:21 <I440r> im only here ona contract job and its ending real soon
23:04:30 <zzzsnowzzz> I aint driving to indiana
23:04:33 <I440r> lol
23:04:39 <I440r> its only 15 hours from here!
23:04:54 <zzzsnowzzz> takes 23 hours to drive to NoFuck VA
23:04:55 <I440r> drove it for tnx giving and for xmas
23:06:16 <zzzsnowzzz> my coffee cup empty
23:06:55 <I440r> nofuck lol
23:07:15 <I440r> btw, what is the nature of your disability if its ok to ask ?
23:08:43 <zzzsnowzzz> in the nature of a major concussion caused me to have schizophrenic like symptoms
23:09:27 <I440r> aha
23:10:43 <zzzsnowzzz> and I have to now take Zyprexa and Zoloft
23:11:56 <zzzsnowzzz> I was on a nuclear powered Aircraft Carrier  and they did a flank reverse and then a hard right rudder.  Knocked me into a metal locker and hit my head.
23:12:40 <zzzsnowzzz> out cold, amnesia, relearn almost everything ...
23:12:54 <zzzsnowzzz> clear core and start over :) 
23:13:02 <I440r> wow
23:13:14 <I440r> had to relearn EVERYTHING ?
23:13:19 <zzzsnowzzz> I was literally :born again:
23:13:25 <I440r> wow
23:13:32 <zzzsnowzzz> not eeverything, just forgot details like how to do my job
23:13:34 <I440r> couldnt talk ?
23:13:38 <I440r> understand english ?
23:13:43 <zzzsnowzzz> for a while I could not talk
23:13:48 <I440r> !
23:13:49 <zzzsnowzzz> but that was a drug interaction
23:13:55 <I440r> ok
23:14:07 <zzzsnowzzz> contact/thiothixeme
23:14:08 <I440r> my sis just joined the navy
23:14:16 <zzzsnowzzz> damn fw
23:14:21 <I440r> fw ?
23:14:30 <zzzsnowzzz> I had to learn how to play chess  all over again
23:14:37 <zzzsnowzzz> fire works
23:14:39 <I440r> i never was very good at that
23:15:41 <zzzsnowzzz> your sister in the Navy? cool wish her luck.
23:15:52 <I440r> yea
23:16:00 <I440r> she was gona go in as a nuke
23:16:20 <I440r> but she decided not to because even if she trained as such theywere NO guarantee what so ever she woluld get that job
23:16:24 <I440r> not unless they needed her
23:16:35 <zzzsnowzzz> I could have been any rate I wanted except I am color blind
23:16:36 <I440r> and if they decided they didnt they could put her ANYWHERE
23:16:54 <I440r> so she decided to be a fire fighter instead
23:17:06 <zzzsnowzzz> so DP is what I wanted anyway. I had to take the fire fighter training
23:17:12 <zzzsnowzzz> once
23:17:18 <zzzsnowzzz> a 2 day course
23:17:51 <zzzsnowzzz> classroom and then a HOT lab!
23:18:02 <zzzsnowzzz> buiding that looks like it on fire
23:18:17 <I440r> looks like ?
23:18:32 <zzzsnowzzz> has like burning oil and stuff in it but is contained
23:18:45 <zzzsnowzzz> so it doesn't really burn the building
23:19:09 <I440r> right
23:19:35 <zzzsnowzzz> but make it hot :) 
23:19:50 <zzzsnowzzz> and a tear gas chamber
23:20:58 <I440r> :)
23:21:19 <zzzsnowzzz> to teach the proper use of breathing mask :)
23:21:35 <I440r> hold breath :P
23:21:39 <I440r> *snicker*
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23:22:35 * ZyprexasnowZolof bored and damn fire works still exploding outside
23:23:06 --- nick: ZyprexasnowZolof -> snowrichard
23:23:14 <I440r> if im tired i can still sleep with that going
23:23:28 <I440r> but no matter HOW tired i am i cant sleep with a tv/radio going
23:23:36 <I440r> in fact my sisters fish tank keeps me awake 
23:23:43 <snowrichard> sometimes I can't sleep unless I have radion going
23:24:03 <snowrichard> I have tinnitis (ringing in ear) and music covers it up
23:24:17 <snowrichard> too close to jets and 400 HZ motor generator
23:24:26 <snowrichard> A flat forever :) 
23:24:36 <snowrichard> eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
23:24:59 <I440r> lol
23:25:09 <I440r> you can use that to tune a guitar :)
23:25:14 <snowrichard> this is anEBS test...
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